after 24years of democracy
OBJ DID NOT BUILD MODERN REFINERY
JONA DID NOT BUILD
BUHA WORST OF THEM DID NOT BUILD REFINERY
NAIJA PROBLEM ARE THE RULERS NOT TRIBE NOR RELIGION,THEY KNOW WHY THEY NOT BUILDING REFINERIES FOR THEIR CABAL SELFISH INTERESTS IRRESPECTIVE OF PARTIES.

THEY ENTER TRICKISHLY MISRULE NAIJA,STASH OUR TRILLIONS MONEY ABROAD IN SWIZZ ACCS,MANSIONS AND LUXURY AS THEY ANSWER GCFR,GCON,GCFFFFFFFAILURES TO IMMUNE THEM FROM PROSECUTION
FORGET THE TRUSH EXCUSES IN NAIJA
SAUDI HAS STATE OWNED REFINERIES
QUATAR HAS STATE OWNED REFINERIES
EGYPT HAS STATE OWNED REFINERIES
ALL THE MIDEAST COUNTRY SAME
THE CULTURE OF EMPEROR TOTALITARIAN RULERSHIP IN NAIJA SINCE 1999 IS CAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS,THESE RULERS FEEL THEY ARE UNQUESTIONABLE IS SAD,because THEY USE EXCUSES TO MANIPULATE GULLIBLE UNEDUCATED NIGERIANS THEY FAILED TO EDUCATE INTENTIONALLY average Nigerian cannot read budget,they dont know what gdp or mpr ARE...THIS is WHY THEY MANIPULATE d masses.
JUST LIKE THE MAXIM:if you want to hide something from black man,put it in a book,because he may never read it.

The shyyythole is a dysfunctional contraption!💯
Ogun kee any brainless zombie that quotes me to spit trash! 🚮😎

HisSexcellency:


https://leadership.ng/why-nigerias-refineries-will-never-work-obasanjo/

Everything sold by baab Iyabo still remained stagnant and with zero progress. Whatever they have a stake in, whatever they have a percentage in, will neve work. Nigeria is a contraption. These people have a grand network that scuttle the achievement of the government of the day using their foot soldiers through diverse of options, sadly, they have their agents that they have planted in all sectors of the economy.
There are 2 options available for any leader in power. Beat them, or join them. If you beat them, they will kill you like Yar 'a' dua, or almost kill you like Buhari was almost killed during his first term. Join them, drop your good intentions, let it be chop make i chop, allow everybody steal as they like, if you get tired, drop power like Jonathan. The public sectors, parastatals are more corrupt than any political office holder. These people understand the nitty-gritty of every sector, they understand how to pad and steal from the system, they have been in the office or sector for far too long. If you ever have any one in public service sector that reach level 14 or 15, you will understand what i am saying. The Minister can do nothing, cos, he really does not understand how their system works...there is a director, permanent secretaries etc they are the real IDANS. These people are stupendously rich, most of their kids school abroad, and we all know their salaries cannot afford them such luxurious lifestyle.

gabicon:


I did my industrial training at warri refinery in 2008 and based on what I saw, I couldn't agree anymore with president Obasanjo. Apart from the four reasons shell gave, many of the equipments are comatose, the aviation fuel plant is a scrap yard, even if they manage to buy new equipments to replace the dead ones, they have to retrain all the staffs because the generation that got the refinery working are all retired, the people employed in the last 15 years don't know what it's like to have a working refinery. When we put all the cost of equipment, training and others together, it makes no sense for anyone or group to speculate that working refineries would bring down the price of petrol to #200/litre, only subsidies can make that possible.

It's people like you, I really like to hear from, people that have REAL knowledge of what they are talking about. Based on what you've said, it seems the best option is to sell off the 4 refineries to anyone that may buy them, else scrap them. We must NOT continue to waste money every year on so called 'Maintenance' projects which is nothing more than legal stealing.
The first proof of this will be when the PH refinery does not produce a drop of refined products next year, despite what the minister has boasted Hopefully then people will accept the truth.

gbengene1234:


And you think we have serious people in our Government? I'm sure you know we don't and that justify that the possibility that those refineries won't work is about 60%. But we're watching anyways

I know. What I'm disputing is that because shell said it won't work means it won't work. Shell don't even operate refineries as they rightly said. They have only one that they operate. The rest are partnerships. The one they gave is just 240k barrels per day.
So i don't know why the cry over Shell rejecting to take refineries. It simply does not fit into their business model.

bjdon:

While I agree with most of what you say, I do not agree that the solution is just having a strong leader. The people need to change their mindset. The average Nigerian is motivated by money not national interest. This is the reason there is so much corruption in the land. All these corrupt people are never challenged. They get the front seats in church, the high table in social events. They are celebrated in the media. Why would corruption not thrive in such an environment? You will see somebody who had only 1 car before getting a govt appointment, suddenly has 5 cars and people will be celebrating such a person.
Until we change our mindset, nothing will change in the country

I think we have the same points. The citizens are as good as their leaders. Terrible people, terrible leaders. However power is an instrument of change. If leadership cannot use power to cause society to be better, then there is a deep rooted problem.

In all leadership must be strong. Look at present great nations. They had strong leaders. When leaders are strong.

What a father sees lying down, a child cannot see even if he climbs the iroko tree

TemplarLandry:
Pessimistic statesman.

Your Tinubu is there, why are they not going back to regionalism? Is he not the president select?

GeneralPula:

Restructuring is a scam bro! Don’t fall for it! What exactly do we want to restructure? Do you remember Vision 2020 scam?

The best thing we can do is to go back to regionalism! To me, this is the best solution. We were using it before and it worked for us!

SW Governor’s have been calling for the regionalism but other part of the county are still quiet. We should go back to regionalism then things can change. Imagine we go back to regionalism and:

Fashola is to be western leader premier..
Donald duke to be southern leader premier..
Kwankwaso to be northern leader premier..
Dave Umahi to be eastern leader premier..

I believe this is the only significant thing we can do, any other thing aside from that is like fetching water inside basket..

Read to understand rather than comment.

The refinery can never work with govt as the owner because of too much corruption

Neddstark:
You had at least 8 years to make at least one of them work but you didn't. Decades later, you're still telling stories.

sonofElElyon:


Government only needs to appoint professionals from the private sector to head the refineries and give them the freedom to hire and fire. Also give them the latitude to run the refineries freely without interference..

If you try that, merit will never be considered and nepotism that we witnessed under Buhari will manifest in multidimensional ways.

USE THE SUBSIDY MONEY AND BUILD ONE NEW REFINERY.
IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR ?

Not working for few months with loses but working profitably for a long time

meum:
December is just in a couple of months. Let’s see if the one in PH will work.

HisSexcellency:


https://leadership.ng/why-nigerias-refineries-will-never-work-obasanjo/

Just imagine the nonsense this old thief is saying, you sold them, only for the one you use all your veto power to impose on us to reverse it because you failed to lay a solid foundation and reasons why the sells is paramount for continuity.
Obasanjo is not a good leader, he failed to leave a good legacies hence the reversal of what you have done, same thing goes to Power, your failures are still felt all around.

fxexperts:


You what have your generation ever made to work. At least he made the move to sell it, and it was same you and your parents that criticized him then. seems like they only thing Nigerians knows how to do is to criticize government all the time.

Son of a hundred fathers who will gladly lick on the anús of anybody called a Nigerian politician to feel good about his existence.

Benwallt:
Baba, you couldn't do because you don't have the brains but I assure you Tinubu will get it done.

Look at this mumu, you are actually a big joke aswear to believe the refinery will work by December. no wonder they all keep using your brains.

happney65:
Obasanjo till tomorrow will be the best president we ever had since 1999. So when he is saying this. He knows exactly what he is saying.

Just like telecommunications in the hands of government when David Mark as Minister of telecommunications under Abacha said telephone is not for the poor. They won't make it work lailai until that sector is unbundled patapata.

He came at a period of dire economic problems with foreign sanctions here and there. His cabinet still the best. Not this one that Bulabalu went to bring the same set of people we've always known

His Telecommunications sector revolution was super.

The Banking sector was a total turnaround too .Mega super.

The Nigerian middle class grew under him. His first announcement in 100days was increasing the minimum wage to 3000naira.

A Bag of rice was sold for 1200 then or so. That meant with your minimum wage you could buy two bags of rice

Civil servants started buying cars and properties. People who before now, House agents will say House for rent,Not for civil servants

His only mistake was handing over to a Yaradua who was a socialist after he failed in his 3rd term bid which fortunately his party blocked.

Yaradua cancelled the sale of almost everything. Inclusive of power has obasanjo has set motion for the total unbundling of the power sector just like telecommunications.

The swines that took over especially the ones from 2015 are just beating about the bush.

Even if you want to talk about infrastructure sef,the Lagos Ibadan expressway sef,he was the one that constructed it as Military President

You are very correct. but alot of Nigerians are too dumb, ungrateful and unappreciative. that is why I believe they do not deserve any good leader.

EyeCumInPiss:
Nigeria is a Geographical Contraption of diverse Ethnic Nationalities that are not ready to unite and work as one entity.
Only way forward is Restructuring or Balkanisation.

Tinubu people know this.
Refineries can't work in Nigeria because of corruption. Corruption in Nigeria is because everyone is working for the good of himself and ethnic group in Nigeria.

Europeans don't tolerate country of multiple ethnic and religious groups in Europe.
Since the fall of Berlin Wall, Europeans have systematically dismantled all multi ethnic and religious groups that once existed in Europe, because such countries never worked.

meum:

Didn’t t hey say we should have hope? Now that I want to have small hope you are discouraging me.
Let the refinery work first. I know they’ll sponsor some thugs to vandalize it if the same people realizes they didn’t have a plan to sustain it. We’ve seen similar events play out in the past. Let’s just hope. na Renewed Hope we dey let’s renew our hope. Happy Hoping😁

No they do not need to s[ponsor thugs to destroy it, the people employed to run the refinery will be the ones to loot it dry. Nigerians are now very much fantastically corrupt, they are only looking for what to gain to satisfy their selfish interest they no longer care the damage been done to the economy, that is the adverse effect of corruption. I did my IT many years ago in one of these Electricity generation company and what i saw the staffs do there, how they inflate budget for Maintenace and how the loot the infrastructure of this said company and how they feed fat from it, and they always quote the slogan, na government property na for everybody nor be my papa get am.

Neddstark:


Son of a hundred fathers who will gladly lick on the anús of anybody called a Nigerian politician to feel good about his existence.

This idiot is sick in the head. he will not go and look for the root cause of his problem, but he is busy diverting attention to someone else, waiting for one messiah to come and save his generation. Zombie what is the color of your problem. EWU gambia..

Kukutente23:
Shell actually made it clear they are not interested in downstream. So i don't see why you take their words as if it's Gospel.
Same Shell spilled oil over Ogoni and till today no one is talking about making them pay.
The refineries can work if we have serious people in govt who want it to work. That's the koko of the matter

Shell that has paid many Ogoni communities time and time again for oil spillages over the past decades are the one you are accusing here of not paying them.

Go and ask the Ogoni people leaders what happened to their oil spillage compensation money.

membranus:


Shell that has paid many Ogoni communities time and time again for oil spillages over the past decades are the one you are accusing here of not paying them.

Go and ask the Ogoni people leaders what happened to their oil spillage compensation money.

What about the clean up. ExxonMobil is still paying till today for the oil spillage that occurred in the early 90s.

Kukutente23:

What about the clean up. ExxonMobil is still paying till today for the oil spillage that occurred in the early 90s.

The international arbitrage courts have compelled the oil companies to clean up the affected communities. If they have not done so, they should be sued again for disobedience to the court injunction.

As for paying successively for oil spillage, Shell cannot do so unless there is a new incidence of the spillage. The old ones have been settled for.

membranus:


The international arbitrage courts have compelled the oil companies to clean up the affected communities. If they have not done so, they should be sued again for disobedience to the court injunction.

As for paying successively for oil spillage, Shell cannot do so unless there is a new incidence of the spillage. The old ones have been settled for.

Are you sure about that? All been settled for?
I'm not asking for successive payments but payments that's due ALL affected

TemplarLandry:
Pessimistic statesman.

ILLITERATE CITIZENS.

"Only way forward is Restructuring or Balkanisation".

ADOPT FAPRES FOTCS AND CTC FOCS TRFG NOW.

GeneralPula:

Restructuring is a scam bro! Don’t fall for it! What exactly do we want to restructure? Do you remember Vision 2020 scam?

The best thing we can do is to go back to regionalism! To me, this is the best solution. We were using it before and it worked for us!

SW Governor’s have been calling for the regionalism but other part of the county are still quiet. We should go back to regionalism then things can change. Imagine we go back to regionalism and:

Fashola is to be western leader premier..
Donald duke to be southern leader premier..
Kwankwaso to be northern leader premier..
Dave Umahi to be eastern leader premier..

I believe this is the only significant thing we can do, any other thing aside from that is like fetching water inside basket..

But what you just posted is restructuring. Don't you get it?

tolue42:
Then we should just sell the refineries once and for all. Seems government don't have any business doing business.

DANGOTE AND OTEDOLA MIGHT STILL BE INTERESTED, SELL THEM OFF.

happney65:
Obasanjo till tomorrow will be the best president we ever had since 1999. So when he is saying this. He knows exactly what he is saying.

Just like telecommunications in the hands of government when David Mark as Minister of telecommunications under Abacha said telephone is not for the poor. They won't make it work lailai until that sector is unbundled patapata.

He came at a period of dire economic problems with foreign sanctions here and there. His cabinet still the best. Not this one that Bulabalu went to bring the same set of people we've always known

His Telecommunications sector revolution was super.

The Banking sector was a total turnaround too .Mega super.

The Nigerian middle class grew under him. His first announcement in 100days was increasing the minimum wage to 3000naira.

A Bag of rice was sold for 1200 then or so. That meant with your minimum wage you could buy two bags of rice

Civil servants started buying cars and properties. People who before now, House agents will say House for rent,Not for civil servants

His only mistake was handing over to a Yaradua who was a socialist after he failed in his 3rd term bid which fortunately his party blocked.

Yaradua cancelled the sale of almost everything. Inclusive of power has obasanjo has set motion for the total unbundling of the power sector just like telecommunications.

The swines that took over especially the ones from 2015 are just beating about the bush.

Even if you want to talk about infrastructure sef,the Lagos Ibadan expressway sef,he was the one that constructed it as Military President

I keep telling people, Northerners are not honed out for progressive leadership. Anytime they rule, things get really awry.

slowice:
Nigeria like holding on to failed projects.... The citizens do so for emotional reasons and because they believe in the lies told to them by politicians while the elite do so because they are beneficiaries of the corruption around it.

Those refineries will never be profitable... Know this and know peace

ADOPT FAPRES FOTCS AND CTC FOCS TRFG NOW.

GeneralPula:
Aliko Dangote and Femi Otedola approached me and said they would be interested in buying two of the four refineries. They said they would buy 51 percent stake in Port Harcourt and Kaduna. I was over the moon. I said, finally, this burden would be taken off the neck of the government. They offered $761 million and paid in two instalments. Unfortunately, Umaru (President Yar’Adua) cancelled the sale and returned the refineries to NNPC.

Eyah..

Four, he said there is too much corruption in refineries.
Well, out of the points the Shell MD stated, it’s this corruption that’s the main issue and he’s very right.

But didn't same man didn't support Atiku who wanted to privatalize

There's too much CORRUPTION in NIGERIA.

Obasanjo thinks he is the beginning and end of Nigeria. Anything he cannot do, nobody will ever be able to do it.

Cantonese:


I think we have the same points. The citizens are as good as their leaders. Terrible people, terrible leaders. However power is an instrument of change. If leadership cannot use power to cause society to be better, then there is a deep rooted problem.

In all leadership must be strong. Look at present great nations. They had strong leaders. When leaders are strong.

Fully agree. The saying goes 'The fish rots from the head'