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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 8:15pm On Mar 08
PoliteActivist:


To Atheists:
Yours is even worse. A religionist can say they had a personal encounter with God. You can't say you heard from God that he doesn't exist!


A person can say they can fly too but that doesn't mean they can. Or do you not expect one to not check for evidence?

And why/how should a god that doesn't exist proclaim it's own none existence? Does invisible food fill your belly?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 8:18pm On Mar 08
HellVictorinho6:


HEAR from xyz that he DOESNT EXIST?


oh itz cosmic grammar

so we can as well write on water


we COULD .....be in a....yet u say xyz FIGURED OUT?

Still cosmic incantations

For once you perfectly nailed it.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 10:07pm On Mar 08
FRANCISTOWN:

Who be your dear?
Tani dear แบน?

My emphasis right from the begining was that Natural Selection is based on survival thru adaptation and instinct.

The habit thing was just an off-topic point to elucidate that earthly acquired characters are not transferrable to offsprings.

BTW, @ the emboldened. Did I really say anything like that? Please refresh my memory.

Since you don't like "my dear". I'll call you my luv.
Ma lu you not only said it, you bolded it. See below

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 10:10pm On Mar 08
LordReed:


What did you say here:

Exactly what I said previously and have always said - that natural selection is flawed, that it doesn't always pan out in real life
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 10:23pm On Mar 08
budaatum:


A person can say they can fly too but that doesn't mean they can. Or do you not expect one to not check for evidence?

And why/how should a god that doesn't exist proclaim it's own none existence? Does invisible food fill your belly?

I think the greatest flaw of the human mind (and a flaw we are NOT aware of) is that we each assume everybody experiences reality same way we do.
When infact, you can say we all live in different worlds though we are physically in same world. Life is almost entirely subjective.

There are people who KNOW 200% that God exists - because they talk with {"with"NOT "to"} him everyday!
Then there are people who have absolutely no business with God whatsoever, infact they don't even believe there is a supernatural to begin with
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 10:53pm On Mar 08
PoliteActivist:


I think the greatest flaw of the human mind (and a flaw we are NOT aware of) is that we each assume everybody experiences reality same way we do.
My human mind does not have the flaw of assuming everybody experiences reality the same way I do because that would imply that everybody has trained and cultivated the senses with which they experience reality the same way I have mine, and I have not found that to be so.

I in fact do not even assume everybody perceives the reality that is acting on them without them experiencing it.

PoliteActivist:

When infact, you can say we all live in different worlds though we are physically in same world. Life is almost entirely subjective.
We all do live on this same earth in this same world, but just the fact we may live in different places means our lifes are subjective to us, but claiming what subjective I perceive or claim to be true, is objective, is a bit of a wuruwuru jump to me.

My life might be subjective to subjective me, but my subjective opinion is not the objective world.

PoliteActivist:
There are people who KNOW 200% that God exists - because they talk with {"with"NOT "to"} him everyday!

Is one of them called TBJoshua?

I have no problem with anyone who claims to "KNOW 200% that God exists - because they talk with {"with"NOT "to"} him everyday", but i wouldn't do business with such people, and I wouldn't generally socialise with them or marry them, and they wouldn't ask me to I don't think.

PoliteActivist:

Then there are people who have absolutely no business with God whatsoever, infact they don't even believe there is a supernatural to begin with

I don't "believe there is a supernatural to begin with" because I know there isn't a supernatural to begin with and I love my God books.

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 11:14pm On Mar 08
Aliens are a tough sell among scientists these days even if they are a hot topic in congressional hearings and popular culture.

On Friday, the Department of Defense released a lengthy report declaring there is no evidence that aliens have visited Earth, dismissing the venerable conjecture that the government has secretly recovered alien hardware.

https://wapo.st/3TwcLVe

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 11:38pm On Mar 08
PoliteActivist:
JessicaRabbit and Seun, please come o. The intellectual level of the discussion is becoming so low it is suffocating me.

I think some folks of the atheistic persuasion might have lost track of of what this particular part of the discussion is all about, so let me bring everyone back to base.

It started with Reed posting Jessica that natural selection does not only pass on beneficial traits, but also harmful ones. I replied Reed that I know natural selection is flawed because I, like most people, like foods that are bad for my health and longevity, and also would rather chill than go to the gym. Reed replied that it is because those traits do not affect reproduction. I told him all traits that help a specie to succeed get passed on. He then made his famous statement: "Natural selection does not select anything"!

Now, FRANCISTOWN came in with that they don't get passed on because they are habits not inheritatble traits, and foolishly started arguing it.
What the poor guy doesn't know is that there is a raging debate in the scientific community as to why this is so - why natural selection has not made us love foods that are good for us and hate foods bad for us, and also love exercise.
What he doesn't know is that NO scientist ever made the low-IQ statement that "it is because they are habits"! I mean, there is uninformed, then there is ridiculous!

Now we're all on the same page, let's continue.


Is dis madness a natural or a selection?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by FRANCISTOWN: 11:49pm On Mar 08
PoliteActivist:


Since you don't like "my dear". I'll call you my luv.
Ma lu you not only said it, you bolded it. See below
The world love irritates me, I hate it so much to death. It makes me feel like throwing up. Ew!

Meanwhile you said:
Ask any scientist or even google why natural selection hasn't made humans like healthy foods and exercise.
Not a SINGLE one will tell you it is because they are habits!๐Ÿ˜†

Did I say human habits are the reasons natural selection hasn't made humans like healthy foods and exercise?

I'm failing to understand the quote with respect to the screenshot you attached.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by FRANCISTOWN: 11:53pm On Mar 08
PoliteActivist:

There are people who KNOW 200% that God exists - because they talk with {"with"NOT "to"} him everyday!

Haha! Interesting. Did you mean by having a cup of tea with him?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 11:55pm On Mar 08
budaatum:

My human mind does not have the flaw of assuming everybody experiences reality the same way I do because that would imply that everybody has trained and cultivated the senses with which they experience reality the same way I have mine, and I have not found that to be so.

I in fact do not even assume everybody perceives the reality that is acting on them without them experiencing it.


We all do live on this same earth in this same world, but just the fact we may live in different places means our lifes are subjective to us, but claiming what subjective I perceive or claim to be true, is objective, is a bit of a wuruwuru jump to me.

My life might be subjective to subjective me, but my subjective opinion is not the objective world.

Is one of them called TBJoshua?

I have no problem with anyone who claims to "KNOW 200% that God exists - because they talk with {"with"NOT "to"} him everyday", but i wouldn't do business with such people, and I wouldn't generally socialise with them or marry them, and they wouldn't ask me to I don't think.

I don't "believe there is a supernatural to begin with" because I know there isn't a supernatural to begin with and I love my God books.

U a funny guy๐Ÿ˜…
Well, reality is subjective - even quantum mechanics seems to indicate our minds create it.
But beyond that, do you know where your thoughts come from? How about your dreams? How come you have absolutely no say over what dream you'd have?
And do you realize that if our earth is shrunk to the size of a seed, the diameter of our galaxy would still be from here to mars? Yet our galaxy is not even a spack in the universe?

All our geniuses come to the conclusion they know nothing, and they are right!

Consider: more than 95% of our universe is made up of dark matter/dark energy, yet we don't know what it is. We know it is there but we don't have the foggiest idea what it is!
Consider: scientists have determined there are at least 10 dimensions, and possibly up to a thousand. Yet we can perceive only 4. FOUR!
Consider: our earth is is so infinitestimally small compared to the observable universe you can almost say it doesn't exist (on a universe scale, you can't see the earth even with the strogest microscope). Yet the observable universe is only one 64 millionth of the estimated size of the our universe. Then there is the multiverse theory - there could be unlimited number of universes!
Compound all that with the fact that: limitations and manipulations could have been built into our perception of reality such that we only perceive what "they" want us to perceive. Scientists have no way of knowing what is really there!
Add to all that, brains and circumstances could be being manipulated on a day-to-day ongoing basis, while studies and observations are being done (we still don't know how or where our dreams come from!).

Add all that up and you'll realize, when Einstein, Newton, Galileo, and other geniuses said they knew nothing, maybe they were not as stupid as some people think they were!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:15am On Mar 09
HellVictorinho6:


Is dis madness a natural or a selection?

Hmmm, good question. What do you think? I'd really like to know
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:22am On Mar 09
FRANCISTOWN:


Haha! Interesting. Did you mean by having a cup of tea with him?

You can make fun but these are people who'd tell you God told them something, and it'll come to pass. There is sooo much to this our reality
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 12:26am On Mar 09
PoliteActivist:


Hmmm, good question. What do you think? I'd really like to know

but u know am not happy with u

Seems u dont care


What can bring us closer?

Tell me

What sorta service makes u friendly?


Engage me
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:27am On Mar 09
FRANCISTOWN:

The world love irritates me, I hate it so much to death. It makes me feel like throwing up. Ew!

Meanwhile you said:


Did I say human habits are the reasons natural selection hasn't made humans like healthy foods and exercise?

I'm failing to understand the quote with respect to the screenshot you attached.

That's why it is "luv". Less irritating, ain't it?

Stop playing dumb. You were going on and on as to why we did not get rid of the bad traits of liking junk food and hating exercise because those are habits and not inheritable!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:35am On Mar 09
budaatum:
Aliens are a tough sell among scientists these days even if they are a hot topic in congressional hearings and popular culture.

On Friday, the Department of Defense released a lengthy report declaring there is no evidence that aliens have visited Earth, dismissing the venerable conjecture that the government has secretly recovered alien hardware.

https://wapo.st/3TwcLVe

When you fully absorb the implications of the fact that our earth is not even a speck in our small galaxy, and that our galaxy is not even a speck in the universe, and that our universe could be one of infinite number of universes, you'd realise this news means nothing
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:37am On Mar 09
HellVictorinho6:


but u know am not happy with u

Seems u dont care


What can bring us closer?

Tell me

What sorta service makes u friendly?


Engage me

I do hook-ups on the low
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 1:57am On Mar 09
PoliteActivist:


When you fully absorb ......

Love the Polite. Evidence has supported it.

Thou should not make up imaginary subjective things about buda, considering you can not possibly know what or how much buda may have absorbed and or processed with buda's own mind that and because it is subject to buda. Objectively speaking that is.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 1:58am On Mar 09
Sorry all. Didn't read thread but might one day.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 3:20am On Mar 09
LordReed:


Dumdum is the sea CHOOSING to freeze something or is it a result of a NATURAL process?

It's unfortunate that dumdums like you get stuck on simple words designed to aid your understanding of nature. That's how you thought the abbreviations ACTG in DNA science means DNA is code. LoLz.


Mumu
Did I say ACTG is DNA code?
Common sentence on Wikipedia, you don't understand but came to fool around...
We are know that anything Artifical is intentional
You better use your brain fir what it is meant for

DNA undergo translation. Yes or No?
Translation is a result of intelligence or accident?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 7:07am On Mar 09
PoliteActivist:


I do hook-ups on the low

Message me

Watsap

09163989689
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by FRANCISTOWN: 7:19am On Mar 09
PoliteActivist:


That's why it is "luv". Less irritating, ain't it?
Most irritating. Let's avoid such useless word please.

PoliteActivist:

Stop playing dumb. You were going on and on as to why we did not get rid of the bad traits of liking junk food and hating exercise because those are habits and not inheritable!
Now I see where the problem is. You must have misconstrued my intentions.

My emphasis from begining had been on Evolution by Natural Selection on survival based on adaptation and instinct.

You misunderstood evolution for inheritance.
You are failing to see the big picture here.

Inheritance is a very small part of evolution.
Evolution is like the entire hydrosphere, inheritance is like the river at your backyard โœŒ๏ธ๐Ÿ˜‚
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by FRANCISTOWN: 7:28am On Mar 09
PoliteActivist:


You can make fun but these are people who'd tell you God told them something, and it'll come to pass. There is sooo much to this our reality
I've told people things will happen and they did happen. But I've not heard from any God so far. Wait! Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 7:34am On Mar 09
Aemmyjah:



Mumu
Did I say ACTG is DNA code?
Common sentence on Wikipedia, you don't understand but came to fool around...
We are know that anything Artifical is intentional
You better use your brain fir what it is meant for

DNA undergo translation. Yes or No?
Translation is a result of intelligence or accident?

Dumdum is nature making a choice? When a river bends is the water making a choice or selecting where to pass?

What is translation in DNA science?

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 10:08am On Mar 09

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 10:22am On Mar 09
budaatum:
Science, as in what we learn by using our senses, constantly evolves.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/mar/09/controversial-new-theory-of-gravity-rules-out-need-for-dark-matter

Interesting.

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 11:26am On Mar 09
I sometimes wondered why we never see UFOs and AAROs in Nigeria, then I realised we are at the angel and demon stage of human understanding and will one day investigate with our own senses and minds so we may actually know instead of merely believe.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/pentagon-ufo-report-hiding-aliens

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 1:25pm On Mar 09
HellVictorinho6:


Message me

Watsap

09163989689

I'm a bit on the high side. U sure u can handle it?
(I mean handle the high amount - be serious, I'm not jocking)
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 1:28pm On Mar 09
FRANCISTOWN:

Most irritating. Let's avoid such useless word please.


Now I see where the problem is. You must have misconstrued my intentions.

My emphasis from begining had been on Evolution by Natural Selection on survival based on adaptation and instinct.

You misunderstood evolution for inheritance.
You are failing to see the big picture here.

Inheritance is a very small part of evolution.
Evolution is like the entire hydrosphere, inheritance is like the river at your backyard โœŒ๏ธ๐Ÿ˜‚

๐Ÿ˜… OK, I'd help you save face. Only that you were arguing it for pages - and it's all there for all to read.
You'd be alright las las, insha Allah
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 1:33pm On Mar 09
FRANCISTOWN:

I've told people things will happen and they did happen. But I've not heard from any God so far. Wait! Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Yeah but you didnโ€™t consistently do it. And you didn't tell them you were doubting what you were told about a certain MOG dying because it seemed impossible, then shortly after, TB died!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 1:39pm On Mar 09
PoliteActivist:


I'm a bit on the high side. U sure u
can handle it?
(I mean handle the high amount - be serious, I'm not jocking)

Letz proceed
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 1:39pm On Mar 09
budaatum:


Love the Polite. Evidence has supported it.

Thou should not make up imaginary subjective things about buda, considering you can not possibly know what or how much buda may have absorbed and or processed with buda's own mind that and because it is subject to buda. Objectively speaking that is.

What's this your obsession with Buddha? And how come you can't spell the name?

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