isale_gan2:

Which posters in this section would you consider reflective of "the best reasoning"?  
A) An obnoxious propagandizing scumbag?  
B) An unprincipled picture-spamming political hack?  
C) A GEJ waterboy who is a "great mind" simply because he supports your candidate?  
D) All of the above?

I've read posts where you've excused bad behaviour from posters simply because they are GEJ voters or PDP supporters.  So, it surprises me not at all that you fail to see the "poor reasoning" in the statement you just made.

Would still love to see your list of the best minds around here though.  Pray tell us, our less than average Education moderator.   

Are we having fun yet? 

 

Lol. If only you arent inching for a fight, you would have noticed I quoted Ektbear and maybe quote me rightly.

I think ekt-bear also contributed very sensibly this year, both as a topic started and as a knowledgeable contributor. I enjoyed debating with him a lot.

Duduknight:

Dude give it a rest, the objective of your rallying call is obvious to many. When did you conduct a census of posters to know how many posters or readers are in the politics section? Besides, the turnout of an election is of no concern to a voter; the job of a voter is to decide whether to exercise his/her right to vote. Whether 38 people voted or 2 million voted, the results are declared from those who voted and not those who could have voted. If you were so concerned about voter turnout, why didn't you visit every thread, announcing that a poll was in effect so that a maximum number can vote? Instead, you seized on a poll for an Eze Ndigbo of NL to rally other Ndigbo to vote. Your approach was sectional and ethnic. When you start it, you feel smart. When others join in, you start complaining and crying just like you did in your post that I quoted.

Can one really ascertain the number of posters in the politics section with a huge number of posters having multiple ids. Posters such as Mekus with 1000s of monikers. Even Andrew Uweh has at least 4 ids (including Ngodigha and abadabada). In your post, you called on PointB to rally Ndigbo to vote. What was the point of that? Is PointB a moderator in any section? The point I made, and by which I stand, is that OnlyTruth gained 16 nominations because of your rallying call. Everyone that voted for him after that post was Igbo. It is not for me to decide whether he is articulate enough to be nominated.

You clearly arrogate a lot of importance to yourself; very typical. Who made you Big Brother? You made yourself Big Brother because you are old or what? You will not sit back and watch any shenanigans anymore??  Dude, it is just an online election in an anonymous forum. Don't make it more than it is. By the way, what are the shenanigans? That 38 out of an indeterminate number of posters voted in an online election is what you term shenanigans.  SMDH

After all those assumptions you made up there, unless you are a mod masquerading with another moniker, Now can you answer my questions reasonably without asking me to become nairaland resident visiting each thread or questioning my right to post in any thread I choose and to whom I wish,

houvest:

What really are you mad at here? That I called Ndigbo to visit this thread and vote? Are they not qaulified to vote? Is NL voting reserved for only one ethnic group?  You prefer them to remain in ignorance of this thread and to be disenfrachised? And you are mad because Onlytruth got 22 nominations? Is he not articulate enough to be nominated here? What really is unsavoury  or sectional in calling people to go and vote? You tell me? What is unsavoury is disenfranchising folks through lack of information which clearly you prefer ? What is unsavoury is trying to win at all costs through alliances which I have never advocated. Let every Nairaland be properly informed so he can exercise his voting rights and may the best win. Do you know how many folks voted in last years edition?

Katsumoto  16 (42.1%)
Kobojunkie  5 (13.2%)
Dapobear  17 (44.7%)
 
Total Votes: 38

So how can only 38 votes out of thousands determine who is the section poster of the year? Why do folks like you want to enthrone mediocrity by disenfranchising folks?  Are you actually looking for less voters in order to enthrone an already annointed candidate ? Just know that some of us will not sit back and watch all those shenanigans anymore. Big brother is here and is certainly watching.

And after you are done answering it then you can take your own advice  'it is just an online election in an anonymous forum. Don't make it more than it is' You started the war and even went to dig up my post and are now are going further down to insults.

Odunnu:

Lol. If only you arent inching for a fight, you would have noticed I quoted Ektbear and maybe quote me rightly.

houvest:

After all those assumptions you made up there, Now can you answer my questions,


And after you are done answering it then you can take your own advice  'it is just an online election in an anonymous forum. Don't make it more than it is' You started the war and even went to dig up my post and are now are going further down to insults.

What assumptions did I make? I was merely pointing out the assumptions that you made.
BTW, what insults? I ridiculed the fact that you 'consider' yourself to be some sort of 'Big Brother'. On second, third, and fourth thoughts, don't you consider that to be laughable?

Your candidate may win the poll but don't think we don't know why.

Obviously this is just supposed to be a fun little online poll without much significance, but nevertheless it annoys me that a very incorrect result will likely happen for pretty dumb tribal reasons.

Like, we know who is better than who. Or at least who is in the same zip code as who.

Of the posters that remain, I would vote Kats, Gbawe (in that order) both of whom are (at least in my opinion) >>>> OnlyTruth.

Hell, just go through the posting history of Katsumoto for example and compare it to that of OnlyTruth. Is there any comparison whatsoever? A guy who posts on a broad array of issues, versus one who is a one trick pony. And truth be told, doesn't even do that trick very well.

Yet it would be foolish for me to vote for Katsumoto simply because that increases the chance of a guy who isn't even in the same zip code as the best winning.

If the people demand that it be tribalized, then you may as well go all the way.

In future years, you may as well do "Best Yoruba poster", "best Igbo poster", etc. And then pit the best of each head-to-head, so all of them can cash in on their respective block ethnic vote.

Anyway, I am beginning to understand a bit why there is ethnic wahala in Nigeria, even in innocous things. If one can do this for a simple vote of best poster (voting for a guy not even in the top ten purely due to ethnic sentiment), then obviously with more serious matters people will also behave stvpidly.

Is there a cash prize for wining or a lunch with GEJ? Wow.

Duduknight:

What assumptions did I make? I was merely pointing out the assumptions that you made.
BTW, what insults? I ridiculed the fact that you 'consider' yourself to be some sort of 'Big Brother'. On second, third, and fourth thoughts, don't you consider that to be laughable?

Your candidate may win the poll but don't think we don't know why.

What really are you mad at here? That I called Ndigbo to visit this thread and vote? Are they not qaulified to vote? Is NL voting reserved for only one ethnic group? You prefer them to remain in ignorance of this thread and to be disenfrachised? And you are mad because Onlytruth got 22 nominations? Is he not articulate enough to be nominated here? What really is unsavoury or sectional in calling people to go and vote? You tell me? What is unsavoury is disenfranchising folks through lack of information which clearly you prefer ? What is unsavoury is trying to win at all costs through alliances which I have never advocated. Let every Nairaland be properly informed so he can exercise his voting rights and may the best win. Do you know how many folks voted in last years edition?

Katsumoto 16 (42.1%)
Kobojunkie 5 (13.2%)
Dapobear 17 (44.7%)

Total Votes: 38

So how can only 38 votes out of thousands determine who is the section poster of the year? Why do folks like you want to enthrone mediocrity by disenfranchising folks? Are you actually looking for less voters in order to enthrone an already annointed candidate ? Just know that some of us will not sit back and watch all those shenanigans anymore. Big brother is here and is certainly watching.

ekt_bear:

Obviously this is just supposed to be a fun little online poll without much significance, but nevertheless it annoys me that a very incorrect result will likely happen for pretty dumb tribal reasons.

Like, we know who is better than who. Or at least who is in the same zip code as who.

Of the posters that remain, I would vote Kats, Gbawe (in that order) both of whom are (at least in my opinion) >>>> OnlyTruth.

Hell, just go through the posting history of Katsumoto for example and compare it to that of OnlyTruth. Is there any comparison whatsoever? A guy who posts on a broad array of issues, versus one who is a one trick pony. And truth be told, doesn't even do that trick very well.

Yet it would be foolish for me to vote for Katsumoto simply because that increases the chance of a guy who isn't even in the same zip code as the best winning.

If the people demand that it be tribalized, then you may as well go all the way.

In future years, you may as well do "Best Yoruba poster", "best Igbo poster", etc. And then pit the best of each head-to-head, so all of them can cash in on their respective block ethnic vote.

Anyway, I am beginning to understand a bit why there is ethnic wahala in Nigeria, even in innocous things. If one can do this for a simple vote of best poster (voting for a guy not even in the top ten purely due to ethnic sentiment), then obviously with more serious matters people will also behave stvpidly.

Since the three nominees are not in your zip code. Can you please humour us. Who should have been in the top 3?

IMHO, my top posters in this section include:
Beaf
Ekt-bear
Danjohn
Aletheia

There are some others but these are the few I can mention now.

You misunderstood.

My post doesn't claim that I am the best (though personally I think that a very strong argument can be made for me).

For a variety of reasons, that isn't what is important.

What is important is having a legitimate vote in which the best poster is chosen, or at least someone who can make a strong claim.

Last year, Jarus selected a standout post from each person. I guess he went through their posting history and found what he found representative.

Now, suppose that he had done that again this year. A post/thread from Katsumoto, Gbawe, and OnlyTruth, and suppose that we used that to inform our decisions.

Now, if you wanted to choose one from Kats, there is a ton to choose from. If you want to choose for Gbawe, many good posts. For OnlyTruth. . . there would be nothing.

The fact of the matter is that all of us here know that there is absolutely no comparison between say Katsumoto's best posts and OnlyTruth's best post. Both in breadth, depth, and quality.

OnlyTruth sef will probably admit that the quality level of Kats's posts is higher.

Like I said, the guy isn't even in the top 10. Yet for purely ethnic reasons, he got the highest # of votes.

As I said before, if you guys want to vote:

1) a monkey
2) an inanimate object
3) Beaf
4) OnlyTruth

as your best poster of the year, be my guest.

But all four of those items above, if they supposedly got more votes than a guy like Katsumoto, then it tells me that those voting bluntly speaking are

(a) voting for tribal reasons,
(b) are id1ots,
(c) or both.

@Ekt_bear
The 3 nominated posters have their own specialities. It is just like in surgery where surgeons have their own specialities. Some specialise, in Urology, neurology, orthopaedics, plastics, gynaecology, orthopaedics etc. Even in a speciality such as orthopaedics, some surgeons specialise in upper limb, some in lower limb, others in spine etc.
Kats-Biafra with lots of copy and paste and some insults to Ystranger or Chyz
Gbawe-in Acn and some occassional insults to beaf.
Onlythruth-the marginalised and oppressed.
Time has come for nairalanders interested in politics section to choose their best poster of the year. As for me, I have chosen onlytruth.

Last year, Jarus selected a standout post from each person. I guess he went through their posting history and found what he found representative.

Bros, I tried same for this year too but got stuck along the way when I realized I couldn't find for ALL of them. I just struck out that part.

That said, this is no vote of no confidence on this year's but I think the introduction of voting along ethnic lines affected the quality this year. Notwithstanding, we have to respect the decision of the majority and crown whoever emerges the winner; especially as none of the rules we highlighted up there has been breached.

It is not instructional to practice fractional politics. Oppression and being oppressed is in the eye of the beholder, and I suppose that nominations and votes are subjective but if we are to reduce the political section poster to an ethnic game then the prize will be tarnished.

ekt_bear:

You misunderstood.

My post doesn't claim that I am the best (though personally I think that a very strong argument can be made for me).

For a variety of reasons, that isn't what is important.

What is important is having a legitimate vote in which the best poster is chosen, or at least someone who can make a strong claim.

Last year, Jarus selected a standout post from each person. I guess he went through their posting history and found what he found representative.

Now, suppose that he had done that again this year. A post/thread from Katsumoto, Gbawe, and OnlyTruth, and suppose that we used that to inform our decisions.

Now, if you wanted to choose one from Kats, there is a ton to choose from. If you want to choose for Gbawe, many good posts. For OnlyTruth. . . there would be nothing.

The fact of the matter is that all of us here know that there is absolutely no comparison between say Katsumoto's best posts and OnlyTruth's best post. Both in breadth, depth, and quality.

OnlyTruth sef will probably admit that the quality level of Kats's posts is higher.

Like I said, the guy isn't even in the top 10. Yet for purely ethnic reasons, he got the highest # of votes.

As I said before, if you guys want to vote:

1) a monkey
2) an inanimate object
3) Beaf
4) OnlyTruth

as your best poster of the year, be my guest.

But all four of those items above, if they supposedly got more votes than a guy like Katsumoto, then it tells me that those voting bluntly speaking are

(a) voting for tribal reasons,
(b) are id1ots,
(c) or both.

This is more like a campaign of calumny against Onlytruth. Polls are made for the reason of getting  the opinions of a cross section in other to determine a winner. If the best is already known, what then is the need for a poll?
Now your opinion is that Onlytruth is not as good as the others. These are your opinions. Of course you have the right to be opinionated but that is just what it is - opinion. It is not fact since there are no evidence brought up by you - no posts, no iq test results, etc only an opinion which is subjective and to all intents and purposes predicated on prejudice.
I have watched you debate Onlytruth and also Kats. Sometimes they have trumped you and at other times you have,but the actual belief of who is better is subject to every one's opinion and that is the reason for this poll. The best you can do is campaign for your candidate which you are actually doing here surreptitiously but putting down those that are not your candidate is quite unethical and actually breaches forum rules.

Jarus:

Bros, I tried same for this year too but got stuck along the way when I realized I couldn't find for ALL of them. I just struck out that part.

That said, this is no vote of no confidence on this year's but I think the introduction of voting along ethnic lines affected the quality this year. Notwithstanding, we have to respect the decision of the majority and crown whoever emerges the winner; especially as none of the rules we highlighted up there has been breached.

Voting is still going on, init? You can ask the niminees to forward to you  a list of their 5 best posts to choose from. Those nominees all very active posters unlike some of us. They have over 5,000 posts apiece I believe. I wonder how there is none to choose from for some of them.

Jarus:

Bros, I tried same for this year too but got stuck along the way when I realized I couldn't find for ALL of them. I just struck out that part.

That said, this is no vote of no confidence on this year's but I think the introduction of voting along ethnic lines affected the quality this year. Notwithstanding, we have to respect the decision of the majority and crown whoever emerges the winner; especially as none of the rules we highlighted up there has been breached.

Just to assist you.  


Katz debating with Ekt_Bear on why skilled immigrants are leaving the US.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=242057.msg9390876#msg9390876

Katsumoto:

I am for corporations trying to increase profit through innovations and improved efficiency but I will not sign up for complete capitalism. The people through its government must provide regulation for the common good of society. If every man acts in his best, then society is doomed. The US is not the only country with stock market. Why is it that there is less volatility in the stock markets of the Scandinavian countries, Australia, and Canada? It is because those countries try to find a good balance. Why should a corporation move operations abroad, fire workers and then expect to import those goods and services back into the US for unemployed workers to buy? Apart from an obvious economic issue here, there is a moral and social one as well. Governments should introduce high tariffs and taxes for corporations who do that to discourage that practice.  

You have to realise that extreme capitalism will not only bring about economic problems like that experienced during the great depression and currently in the US and Europe but it also brings social problems. With all of the wealth in the US, why does it have more economic related crime than China and India combined? The constant need for growth is what causes problems in the US. The US, France, and UK all, individually, have more billionaires and Fortune 500 companies than Germany but which country has the lowest poverty, crime, etc? Germany of course. Because the German Mittlestand model promotes empowerment of many rather than a few as practised in the UK, US, and France.

Don't get me wrong, I am not for taxing the rich heavily to distribute to lazy people in the form of welfare but I am for an enabling environment. Barriers to entry is very high in most industries in the US. The IT industry is about the only industry with a lower barrier to entry but even that is creeping up gradually. Most new software companies now require heavy investment from VCs who always demand equity.

How can Americans have a tax system that ensures Buffett pays lower tax than his secretary? Billionaires in the US get away with paying little or no tax; that's not possible in Northern Europe.

It is only a cut-throat world in the US; I suggest you visit the Scandinavian countries and observe how people strike a good balance (work/life; capitalism/socialism). Those living in the US are always stressed, don't relax, work too many hours and then get given 10 - 15 days holiday in a year. That is a joke

Katsumoto:

When European leaders finish beating about the bush, they will have to confront the serious issues facing the Eurozone and the EU at large. The choices are very grim; in hindsight, the idea of a common currency and monetary policy existing in parallel with different fiscal policies seems like an idea that was badly conceived. For all the high deficit problems of the UK, it is definitely smiling secretly for not joining the Euro.

Greece is illiquid and insolvent; it is going down. The contagion from Greece will push Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and italy to illiquid states but they are still solvent. One of two things will happen, 1. Greece is kicked out of the Eurozone and the EU altogether 2. Germany leaves with the other Northern European countries. The second option will definitely result in the break up of the Euro. The consequences to Greece of being kicked out is estimated to be between 45-55% of Greek GDP. The cost to Germany of leaving the Euro is approximately 20-25%; even that is a steep cost for a solvent and strong country like Germany.

The third option is to restructure the Greek debt which will negatively affect the ability of most countries to raise capital from the bond market. Restructuring Greek debt will also take down a number of European banks with high exposure to Greek debt. French and Spanish banks have huge exposure to Greek debt.

The social problems arising from any of the above will affect all European countries as people move to bouyant countries. Crime and other social vices will go up. Immigration will become a big problem.

Katz debating with Dede1 on how Owerri was re-captured by Biafran forces.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=797390.msg9503533#msg9503533

Katsumoto:

Thank you
Wars or battles have rarely been fought by equally matched sides. It was this position that forced the adoption of tactics and strategy in Wars and Battles. From biblical times through to Caesar's defeat of Pompey at the battle of pharsalus where Caesar was outnumbered 3 - 1 to the second Iraq war, the larger force has always attempted to defeat the smaller force. I wonder why the Colonial armies didn't drop their guns and fight native soldiers with swords and spears since they should have made the wars/battles fairer.

Dede1's position ignores several factors.
1. In early April 1969 when it became apparent that Umuahia would be lost, Ojukwu told Madiebo to concentrate whatever forces he had left to retake Owerri so as to counter any loss of morale that would result from the loss of Umuahia. Umuahia, the Biafran capital, was lost 3 days before Owerri was re-taken by Biafran forces.
2. The direct frontal attack preferred by Ojukwu in taking Owerri failed several times in March 1969. In the end, Ojukwu agreed to Madiebo's plan to use a pincer (double envelopment) of the Etuk's 16 Brigade, isolated in Owerri. For the pincer approach to work, Biafra would need several brigades. All the brigades that Dede1 mentioned were used in this assault but they were all under the command of Kalu.

There is no way Madiebo could have been wrong about the assault; he was in charge of the Biafran Army. BTW, Biafran brigades were usually made up of 900-1000 men.

houvest:

Voting is still going on, init? You can ask the niminees to forward to you  a list of their 5 best posts to choose from. Those nominees all very active posters unlike some of us. They have over 5,000 posts apiece I believe. I wonder how there is none to choose from for some of them.

It will be a great travesty if the crown goes to a mediocre. The posts (quality of contributions) should be the basis on which to judge on how well someone has performed and not some other primordial considerations. This is exactly the ill that we are trying to fight in the country.

It will be a bad precedent if a winner emerges on the basis of emotional or tribal considerations as the ensuing polarization may continue for ever.

houvest:

 
This is more like a campaign of calumny against Onlytruth. Polls are made for the reason of getting  the opinions of a cross section in other to determine a winner. If the best is already known, what then is the need for a poll?
Now your opinion is that Onlytruth is not as good as the others. These are your opinions. Of course you have the right to be opinionated but that is just what it is - opinion. It is not fact since there are no evidence brought up by you - no posts, no iq test results, etc only an opinion which is subjective and to all intents and purposes predicated on prejudice.
I have watched you debate Onlytruth and also Kats. Sometimes they have trumped you and at other times you have,but the actual belief of who is better is subject to every one's opinion and that is the reason for this poll. The best you can do is campaign for your candidate which you are actually doing here surreptitiously but putting down those that are not your candidate is quite unethical and actually breaches forum rules.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against Onlytruth personally.

He just isn't as good a poster as many of the others on this forum. And isn't in the same league as Katsumoto.

It is a statement of fact. Derek Fisher isn't as good a basketball player as Kobe Bryant or Pau Gasol. Nothing personal, it is just is what it is.

ekt_bear:

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against Onlytruth personally.

He just isn't as good a poster as many of the others on this forum. And isn't in the same league as Katsumoto.

It is a statement of fact. Derek Fisher isn't as good a basketball player as Kobe Bryant or Pau Gasol. Nothing personal, it is just is what it is.

Now your opinion is that Onlytruth is not as good as the others. These are your opinions. Of course you have the right to be opinionated but that is just what it is - opinion. It is not fact since there are no evidence brought up by you - no posts, no iq test results, etc only an opinion which is subjective and to all intents and purposes predicated on prejudice.
I have watched you debate Onlytruth and also Kats. Sometimes they have trumped you and at other times you have,but the actual belief of who is better is subject to every one's opinion and that is the reason for this poll. The best you can do is campaign for your candidate which you are actually doing here surreptitiously but putting down those that are not your candidate is quite unethical and actually breaches forum rules.

Onlytruth has never trumped me before in any argument.

Katsumoto has before, as has edo.girl (I distinctly remember those instances.)

Please do not make up stories to support your point.

Surely there is no rule against saying that Person A isn't as good as Person B?

Anyway, I can't waste time trying to convince you. Do what you like. Same goes for everyone else.

If ya'll want to turn this into a sham, then so be it.

ekt_bear:

Anyway, I can't waste time trying to convince you. Do what you like. Same goes for everyone else.

If ya'll want to turn this into a sham, then so be it.

Thanks. Yours is to do the campaign for your candidate. The polls are for folks to exercise their judgement. Well done.

ekt_bear:

Onlytruth has never trumped me before in any argument.

Katsumoto has before, as has edo.girl (I distinctly remember those instances.)

Please do not make up stories to support your point.

Surely there is no rule against saying that Person A isn't as good as Person B?

Your opinion again. Make up stories? For what? You are now arrogating to yourself the right to judge for me whom I think won the debates. I spoke my opinion as you did yours. Allow me the right to determine who won a debate I watched without accusing me of making up stories.

LMAO, Nairaland election is serious business

ekt_bear is one of the worst ethnic bigots on this forum, so his views of anybody should be discounted completely
he is also openly campaigning for his Yoruba brothers and nutures deep hatred for onlytruth because onlytruth trumps him most times
i dey laff dis kain elekshion

I wont vote. I didnt even nominate. Too much bad blood flowing here.

realchange:

ekt_bear is one of the worst ethnic bigots on this forum, so his views of anybody should be discounted completely
he is also openly campaigning for his Yoruba brothers and nutures deep hatred for onlytruth because onlytruth trumps him most times
i dey laff dis kain elekshion

Am sure the chap does not read Onlytruth's posts. Some nairalanders are like that. They only log on and read through what their favourites offers.

I absolutely have no problem with any of the candidates winning but let's not vote on sentiments, let's be objective.

Also if I may ask, can those who nominated and campaigning for a candidate copy & post some of the posts of their candidate they consider brilliant?

This will help us shift focus from sentiments and be more objective.

Thanks.

the best posts are not the long posts, because this is a web forum not a place to post articles as personal posts
over 95% of readers here don't read very long posts, people have short attention span here because they have other things to do

short, concise and apt posters should win, not long incoherent posters like gbawe.
katsumoto is not versatile, he focuses on about 2 or 3 areas, but disappears on all others

The moment Beaf was disqualified , sentimentalism was adopted . so deal with it .