Eko Ile:




Used and refurbished are 2 different things


Refurbished means updated to perform like New.

The only issue here is the fact that people are as usual very ignorant and are running their mouth about what they know nothing about.

These are the facts,




1. The company handling the project sourced the trains from Canada and Fashola went to Canada to make sure the Company is bringing in good and safe trains to Lagos and after seeing the trains and in what shape they'll be before getting shipped to Lagos, he gave the go ahead.

2. There is a huge difference between used and refurbished.

3. These are refurbished trains retrofitted to function like new trains with even better modifications than when they were new off the plant.


We are looking at almost new and better trains by the time they get to Lagos. Even better than when they were first built.


I don't know why it's so hard for many of you to stop being intellectually lazy, do a little digging at least to educate yourself and don't stop with just the need to do the usual pointless and uneducated criticism routine.

There's got to be other good qualities in you people other than the same uneducated ramblings like goats.

ekt_bear:

At those who are suggesting the purchase of new cars.

Wouldn't this raise the price of fare on the train beyond that of your typical Lagosian?

It simply is unrealistic to suggest this.

manny4life:

@Ak47mann,

Lol, you are not good, ahh, that is locomotive or maybe some archaic locos.

ekt_bear:

At those who are suggesting the purchase of new cars.

Wouldn't this raise the price of fare on the train beyond that of your typical Lagosian?

It simply is unrealistic to suggest this.

texazzpete:



Why is the assumption there that the project must make back the sunk capital as soon as possible? Why must the prices soar if new cars were purchased?

Basseti:

@ Eko ile
U are making a big hoopla about my use (or misuse) of used as opposed to refurbished.
I read the article and those vehicles are 30 yrs old. Refurbished or not, what do you call a vehicle that has been in operation for at least two decades?  
A used appliance can be refurbished and retro fitted but that does not mean its not used. There is a reason why it goes for a significantly lower rate than brand new ones.
I still hail Fashola. I am not really concerned that he is buying used vehicles. Thats normal. As long as they are safe, thats a step in the right direction.

Basseti:

@ Eko ile

U are making a big hoopla about my use (or misuse) of used as opposed to refurbished.

I read the article and those vehicles are 30 yrs old. Refurbished or not, what do you call a vehicle that has been in operation for at least two decades?  

A used appliance can be refurbished and retro fitted but that does not mean its not used. There is a reason why it goes for a significantly lower rate than brand new ones.

I still hail Fashola. I am not really concerned that he is buying used vehicles. Thats normal. As long as they are safe, thats a step in the right direction.

used
   [yoozd or, for 4, yoost] Show IPA
adjective
1.
previously used or owned; secondhand: a used car.
2.
showing wear or being worn out.
3.
employed for a purpose; utilized.

refurbish [riːˈfɜːbɪʃ]
vb
(tr) to make neat, clean, or complete, as by renovating, re-equipping, or restoring
refurbishing , refurbishment n

As the electric-powered cars become surplus and are pulled offline in Toronto, they will be individually trucked to the United States for rebuilding by a team of world-class rail engineers. The cars will also undergo track-width (or “gauge”) conversion and interior refurbishment before being shipped to Lagos.


Each of the TTC cars come equipped with air-conditioning, automatic sliding doors, solid-state traction control, energy saving regenerative braking, and a wide range of modern safety features and amenities. Once equipped with a state-of-the-art, GPS-based train control system made by General Electric, Eko Rail’s trains will provide faster, safer, cheaper and more reliable transportation for Lagosians.

Eko Rail is entering into an innovative public-private partnership with the government of Lagos State to equip, operate and maintain the Blue Line for 25 years. Negotiations are being finalised and a concession agreement is expected to be signed in the near future. Lagos State has already started to make significant progress with building the rail tracks and stations. Eko Rail is utilising URS Scott Wilson, one of the world’s leading railway infrastructure consultancies, to ensure that the infrastructure is built to global standards.

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5743824-146/eko_rails_trains_begin_journey_to.csp

Kobojunkie:

You are right to apply the word "used", matter of fact, given that we are talking of 30-year old units that had already been condemned as SCRAP. I am not sure if you have been to salvage centers but when something is condemned as scrap, used is being too generous. Just across in the other state, you will find a number of people who use these 'scrap' cars as houses. The minute you get a look at these units, you know that they have gotten serious use.

I don't know why the word REFURBISHED keeps coming up but these 30 year old cars where definitely not REFURBISHED cars when purchased. The State purchased 'scrap' units and then proceeded to spend extra to 'refurb' them - That is what the article says.

Eko Ile:


Is it a crime or even wrong to buy used products and[b] refurbish [/b]it up to standard?

texazzpete:

I have no idea why you're talking about 'refurbished' here.
The article in the Toronto news states clearly that the Toronto Transport Company is not making any effort to refurbish these cars. They will be sold 'as is' to Eko Rail.

Why is the assumption there that the project must make back the sunk capital as soon as possible? Why must the prices soar if new cars were purchased? Considering the population of Lagos State, it is very likely that these cars will experience greater stress in their operations here. So why purchase train cars that will require much more maintenance and have much shorter lifespan than new cars?

stpat1:

I wonder why sum ppl lk kobo junkie who's talkin like an uneducated literate man. Trains are not stuffs that just go bad off because of a few yrs, they are only changed cos of the terrain in toronto, do u expect the govnr to buy brand new coaches and run them on where? Do we av the staedy electricity and technology on ground to run modern rail system on? I dont want to go ranting on this but I expect u to circumspect the situation on ground before making regressive comments

Kobojunkie:

Used i.e AS-IS , Scrap, buyer beware . . . .  etc.

Refurbished . . .  i.e re-manufactured, cleaned, guaranteed to work for a period, and tested -- (not necessarily by original manufacturer)

Genius100:

Did you read the article? The article clearly stated that the trains are easier to maintain than the new ones which is why it is appropriate for Lagos. Second, what is wrong with the train being 30 years old? If the useful life of the train is 50 years for instance, what is wrong with purchasing a 30 year old train. Obviously the same 30 year old train was still being used until recently in Canada, a well developed country. Unless you guys have any evidence that the train was a piece of sh-it, STFU. The article said Canada is getting rid of the train for capacity reasons not because they malfunctioned.

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Basseti:

Used is used, refurbished means restore to perform like new.

I will ignore all your invectives and just stick to the issue.

Like i posed before, refurbished or not, what do you call an appliance that has been in operation for two decades?

I applied the term "used" cos the article stated explicitly that the vehicle has been in operation for at least two decades. Now if the Lagos Govt wants to buy it and restore it, how does that change the fact that it was a USED vehicle that was refurbished?

Unless if you are making money off insulting people, I dont know why you should blow off your thermostat attacking someone online that suggests that a vehicle that is 30 yr old is used?

1) Did he know he would have gotten the vehicles at a much cheaper price? If he had done enough research, he might have gotten those stuff for real cheap especially if they are going to scrap anyways.

2) Since this is a state thing, does he have a long term plan for lagos transit and how does this short term move fit into the general picture. Simply put, how long does he think that those vehicles will last on the road before the transit system start raising enough money to gradually replace these vehicles with newer models.

Basseti:

Noone is saying thats a crime. Like I stated before, I dont have an issue with that.

But how come u use the word "used" and when I do , I get sent dictionary definitions?

Kobojunkie:

Used i.e AS-IS , Scrap, buyer beware . . . .  etc.

Refurbished . . .  i.e re-manufactured, cleaned, guaranteed to work for a period, and tested -- (not necessarily by original manufacturer)

stpat1:

I wonder why sum ppl lk kobo junkie who's talkin like an uneducated literate man. Trains are not stuffs that just go bad off because of a few yrs, they are only changed cos of the terrain in toronto, do u expect the govnr to buy brand new coaches and run them on where? Do we av the staedy electricity and technology on ground to run modern rail system on? I dont want to go ranting on this but I expect u to circumspect the situation on ground before making regressive comments

iluvnaija:

Has any nigerian govt bought tokunbor official cars? this really goes to show they dont care about us. second hand train after two months we will hear another news train broke down on high way, passengers are stranded.

Na God go purnish nigerian politicians.

iluvnaija:

Has any nigerian govt bought tokunbor official cars? this really goes to show they dont care about us. second hand train after two months we will hear another news train broke down on high way, passengers are stranded.

Na God go purnish nigerian politicians.

shoboy9:

Very poor. 30yr old train isn't fairly used anymore. Its scrap and a danger to lives, property and the environment. BRF has no excuse fir this except blind gluttony.

Genius100:


Of all the internet forum I've been to, Nairaland has the greatest collection of individuals with very low IQs,

[size=13pt]CORRECTION: When sold for scrap, TTC cars fetch up to $1,500 each, not $15,000, as this story originally stated. The correction has been made. [/size]