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Ending Off-shore Derivation by koruji(m): 5:26am On Mar 21, 2012 |
This article addresses the actual issue of off-shore oil, rather than "the ND States are burdened by their resources" argument the northern leaders added. The bolded are quite clear, although some other points would have been better left out. Off-shore oil should not belong to a particular state - perhaps we can set a limit of something like 10 miles offshore as being counted as part of a state. Beyond that, all the oil up to the internationally accepted 200 nautical miles should belong to the Federation. http://www.osundefender.org/?p=28188 3 Likes |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Abagworo(m): 7:04am On Mar 21, 2012 |
There are two options to resolving this offshore "wayo". 1st is the FG treating offshore oil income as that of the nation and not restricted to only 5 States. 2nd and the most likely peaceful option is including the entire littoral States in the sharing formula as it is difficult to determine the water boundary of States offshore. This has resulted in shift of offshore oil ownership amongst various littoral States at one time or the other based on what the Ministry decides should be the boundary. Edo, Lagos and Cross River are meant to benefit from the offshore "wayo". |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by karlmax2: 7:06am On Mar 21, 2012 |
After using the niger delta to win the war and used divide and rule to brain wash the niger delta the the igbo man was there enemy during the biafra war! I hope some of the niger delta leaders who fought on the side of nigeria are alive today to withness what is going on Today in the ONE NIGERIA they spilt their blood for!. instead of them to stand with our cousins and neibours ndigbo in what would have been a libration for the old eastern region from the hands of this parasite called nigeria!! Is what's going on in the so called niger delta today what adaka boro fought for?.even before nigeria we and the igbos have been intergrating together! The ARO CONFEDRACY is a classic example of our intergration and the story of JAJA of OPOBO and women riot in the eastern region demonstrates how we HAD lived together! As an okirika boy my father used to tell me how they married igbo women and interacted and lived peacefully with our brothers ndigbo before the NIGERIAN STATE used the weapon of division and rule which planted the seed of discord between us and the our cousins.we need to go back to the ways of our forefather that knows that our togetherness is our strenght WE should clamour for the return of the eastern region Now before it is too late the oil we thought we had that made us stab our long Time allies in the back would soon be lost to the nigerian state because of the short sightedness of adaka boro and those that fought against our natural and long term allies before this forced union called nigeria!the irony is that the niger delta people don't even own oil wells which is the reason why we stabbed our cousins in the back!! adaka boro was murdered his family are suffering like any other niger deltan while the likes of IBB,GOWON,DANJUMA and co are carting away our resources! Shame |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Nobody: 7:21am On Mar 21, 2012 |
if the person that wrote this is from the north then no surprise, the aim is to divide southerners from supporting ND. Personally though Im not from ND they deserve both the offshore money too,its their luck. 2 Likes |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Nobody: 10:46am On Mar 21, 2012 |
Oyel money is sweeet ooooo!!!!!!!!! It is not your fault oil is more expensive than yam. It is Niger-Delta people fault ooo!!!!!! |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by KnowAll(m): 10:58am On Mar 21, 2012 |
Simple give the littoral States 25% of on shore oil and 5% of off shore oil. That way States would make more effort to tap and maximise their on shore capabilities whilst ensuring that all stakeholders or investors maintain or adhere to international cleansing and compensatory exercises once incidence of spillage occurs on their lands. The failure in the past has been the lackadaisical attitude of the Nigerian Government and NNPC to hold, apprehend, and sanction would be investors once spillage occurs hence why Oloibiri in Bayelsa State is a total mess today. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by koruji(m): 2:59pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
It is greed that would make someone who lives on land claim resources 200 miles into the ocean. The only reason nations are given the right to 200 miles of sea around their borders is to prevent conflict - that doesn't apply at the sub-national level. If towns or streets do not lay claim to rivers that flow through land, then they should not claim to own parts of the ocean either. As someone said, may be the states need to get a higher cut of the funds derived from their land (25%), and a small cut of the offshore funds (5%). The rest becomes national resources to be shared among federating states. It is that simple. Toaskarity: if the person that wrote this is from the north then no surprise, the aim is to divide southerners from supporting ND. Personally though Im not from ND they deserve both the offshore money too,its their luck. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by KnowAll(m): 3:21pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
The argument the littoral states put forward claiming sovereignty over water bodies that lies 200 km South off their coast should be a 2 way street argument. On the one hand they can claim water bodies 200km from their shores, yet they cannot claim land bodies 200 km North , East and West off their state. If that were possible Port Harcourt or better still Rivers State should be claiming lands as far North as lands in current Benue State and as Far East as lands in Doaula in Cameroon or land as far west as Ilaje or Okitipupa in Ondo state. The claims I must say are baseless and and a no brainer. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Beaf: 3:27pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
karl max: After using the niger delta to win the war and used divide and rule to brain wash the niger delta the the igbo man was there enemy during the biafra war! I hope some of the niger delta leaders who fought on the side of nigeria are alive today to withness what is going on Today in the ONE NIGERIA they spilt their blood for!. instead of them to stand with our cousins and neibours ndigbo in what would have been a libration for the old eastern region from the hands of this parasite called nigeria!! Is what's going on in the so called niger delta today what adaka boro fought for?.even before nigeria we and the igbos have been intergrating together! The ARO CONFEDRACY is a classic example of our intergration and the story of JAJA of OPOBO and women riot in the eastern region demonstrates how we HAD lived together! As an okirika boy my father used to tell me how they married igbo women and interacted and lived peacefully with our brothers ndigbo before the NIGERIAN STATE used the weapon of division and rule which planted the seed of discord between us and the our cousins.we need to go back to the ways of our forefather that knows that our togetherness is our strenght You are right, bro. Quite clearly, many are looking for another war by any means possible, just to protect their awuf luv'n, lazy and parasitic way of life. The SE/SS are blood brothers, joined at the hip. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by PhysicsQED(m): 4:09pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
@ Beaf I've never seen this level of obsession with a "SE"/"SS" alliance from any non-Igbo Nigerians west of the Niger river. Some of the "SS" groups east of the Niger may consider themselves "joined at the hip" politically or culturally with the SE, but I have never heard or read of any non-Igbos west of the Niger river exhibiting such a sentiment. Your tendency to continuously repeat and promote this sentiment is why some people on this forum keep questioning whether or not you are really Isoko. I don't doubt that you are Isoko, but I'm just letting you know why people kept doubting your origin. But then again, some Isoko clans claimed Igbo origin originally, so maybe the sentiment you're expressing is natural and not a deviation from the norm because of the particular makeup of your specific ethnic group. I think in the future maybe you should state that "SS east of the Niger, Igbo west of the Niger, and my own Isoko group" are "joined at the hip" with the SE, in order to not give people the wrong impression. @ koruji, if somebody at your level of intelligence actually accepts the preposterous argument of this article, that is worrying. If it were somebody dumber I would not even bother responding. What the U.S. does or does not do does not determine the actions a country with a unique situation and history like Nigeria should do. It's amazing how people's ability to carry out basic reasoning with respect to a very simple situation can be distorted as soon as the topic of oil money comes up. If Akwa Ibom were part of Cameroon, you would not have to worry about offshore oil money accruing to Akwa Ibom state via the coast, because it would not even be relevant. The coastal states are the only reason offshore oil is relevant to Nigeria and this is a very simple thing to understand. If Bayelsa, Rivers, Delta, Ondo, and Lagos were part of other countries, you would not have to worry about offshore oil. One's state does not have to touch the coast to support the offshore oil derivations going to those states but the author of this article has woven a web of distortions and red herrings in order to try and obscure a very simple truth. And if oil had been discovered in the North (because of the Chad Basin), the same Northern intelligentsia that are arguing that offshore oil past a certain completely arbitrary distance does not belong to states would never have bothered to bring up the argument. The ludicrous argument promoted by certain people online (ex: Ndu_chucks), and by northern pseudo-intelligentsia in real life, about offshore oil is a feint. The nation, and northerners in particular, should be worried about corrupt politicians, poverty, and terrorism in the north. 1 Like |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by nduchucks: 4:10pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
koruji: What has become clear is that, the people who have been calling Nigerians who are not from the so-called ND states Parasites, are the ones who are the real parasites. The cat is out of the bag and justice must and will be done. You sound more reasonable here, as opposed to your bushman stance in other threads. TO KEEP NIGERIA ONE IS A TASK THAT MUST BE DONE |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by KnowAll(m): 4:40pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
Since it is established that Rivers State or better still Akwa Ibom state or any of the other littoral states cannot claim River Niger or River Benue which is almost equi-distance to the off-shore oil platforms and oil reserves, the illegality that has been accepted has the norm must reviewed at once. Looks like the negotiators of the derivatives formular did not put on their thinking caps when drawing up this one sided loopsided deal. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Nobody: 4:42pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
Another STU. PID thread to support a STU. PID argument. Make una go put gun for their head to pay una. [size=90pt]PARASITES[/size] |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Onlytruth(m): 4:59pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: @ Beaf You do not have any right to tell Beaf where he thinks he should be aligned. To be honest with you, the whole "SS" idea is getting more and more idiotic. I say that because even some groups in Delta have SERIOUS issues with you Edo people for instance. Your argument above support that from your side, and I would think that Beaf may see it exactly from your opposite direction. The "SS" is a political and economic red herring which will soon disintegrate. The two bolded is part of why I believe in EASTERN NIGERIA, but I would join Beaf's Isoko and Anioma (if they both continue to identify with Eastern Nigeria).
This argument is getting more and more windy with no basis in logic whatsoever. The FACT is that these states ARE NOT independent of Nigeria, and they are not in other countries. How can an educated man use "What could be" to support his argument on this issue? Well, any state in Nigeria can also decide to be part of any country in the world, if we are to go down that lane of logic, in which case Lagos can decide to secede and join China and we lose whatever investments we have there as a country. You people should stop thinking like illiterates. Some of us in SE support you based on sentiments, but we would NOT support you if you keep thinking like brainless oafs. Nuff said. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Beaf: 5:07pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
ndu_chucks: [size=33pt]Sir,[/size] [img]https://www.nairaland.com/download/656934[/img] |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Beaf: 5:09pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
Onlytruth: Thank you for this (even though the SS will not be disintegrating today or tomorrow). I think Physics expressed his personal opinion, which is not reflected on the ground. Onlytruth: Fail for this. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by PhysicsQED(m): 5:16pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
You do not have any right to tell Beaf where he thinks he should be aligned. I did not tell him where he should be aligned, unless you have difficulty reading. It is getting annoying correcting these kind of slip ups. The fact is that Beaf has no right to speak for any group other than his own. I have read multiple bigoted statements from Beaf against a particular group from Edo state, which is why I am particularly annoyed when he gives people the false impression that anything he says has any validity with respect to Edo state. I don't know what his issue is with Edo state, but he should not ever give people the impression that the "SS" as a whole (which includes Edo) automatically agrees with whatever stuff he makes up and posts on this forum. To be honest with you, the whole "SS" idea is getting more and more idiotic. In case you forgot, I was the one who started a whole thread dedicated to how nonsensical the SS idea was and how some Igbo politicians (such as Ekwueme) created "South-South" in the 90s. Save your whining about SS for someone (like Beaf) who thinks it has any validity. The concept is nonsense, and that was why I made it a point to criticize Beaf. I say that because even some groups in Delta have SERIOUS issues with you Edo people for instance. This is why it's aggravating discussing anything with you. Nobody in Edo state is begging for a union with Delta state. By the way, there is a small population of people who should be considered Edo in Delta state. And I can assure you that issues between some groups in the old "East" are just as great, if not greater than between some groups in Edo and Delta. You argument above support that from your side, and I would think that Beaf may see it exactly from your opposite direction. The "SS" is a political and economic red herring which will soon disintegrate. The two bolded is part of why I believe in EASTERN NIGERIA, but I would join Beaf's Isoko and Anioma (if they both continue to identify with Eastern Nigeria). There is no evidence at all that the Isoko in general have some sort of inclination toward the SE or that they "identify" with the SE, even if one poster named Beaf might. I was noting that the Isoko claims about the origins of some of their groups may have something to do with Beaf's inclinations. If the Isoko do have some sort of inclination toward the SE, they have failed to make it known outside of one poster on Nairaland. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Onlytruth(m): 5:20pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
@PhysicsQED For now, at least we both agree that "SS" is an obtuse idea. I don't care if was Albert Eistein's idea. Soon it will disintegrate. I will be back later to discuss more. Gotta run some business first. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Beaf: 5:27pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: Is this jealousy or something? If you are not a lying coward, give proof to the claim you have just made. If you cannot do that, then carry the brand of lying scum who is in the same category as alj harem. I really hate liars. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by CaptBarbosa: 5:28pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
Beaf is Ibo. . .check all his post! The real niger deltans CANNEVER trust the Ibo man. I have lived 15 years in niger delta. PhysicsQED: @ Beaf |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by PhysicsQED(m): 5:30pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
This argument is getting more and more windy with no basis in logic whatsoever. The FACT is that these states ARE NOT independent of Nigeria, and they are not in other countries. How can an educated man use "What could be" to support his argument on this issue? How can an educated man use "what could be"??!! Have you ever heard of a thought experiment??!! The rest of the drivel you spewed has no bearing on the truth in what I posted. And you are talking about "support you based on sentiments"? Have you forgotten that my state (Edo) does not touch the coast, and could not get any revenue from offshore oil? Like I said before, one does not have to be from a coastal state to use basic common sense. "Man becomes a sophist and super-subtle in fields where he has no adequate store of solid information." Don't be a sophist. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by PhysicsQED(m): 5:39pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
Beaf: @ Beaf, was this purely political? Beaf: https://www.nairaland.com/602652/bayelsa-tops-nigeria-unemployment-chart/2#7722585 I can't find the second statement right now, but I specifically remember there being two statements from you on Edo, which is why I was stunned that you were even commenting on that "Myth or Reality: Yoruba is closer to the Edos culturally than the East" thread. Like I said, I don't know what your issue is exactly. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Beaf: 5:43pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: [size=14pt]Where is the bigotted post against Edo state or are you just a small-minded liar? I will ask again, is this jealousy of some sort?[/size] Because of the way you are lying here, I am beginning to wonder if you are not one of the pathetic losers that signs on to make bigotted statements. I shudder to the bones when I click on the link you provided and see what you where defending. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by PhysicsQED(m): 5:49pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
Beaf: I said that you had, on more than one occasion, made statements against a specific group from Edo state. I don't know if you have problems with basic reading comprehension, or if you're trying to worm your way out of this, but I know for a fact what I stated earlier. And if you take offense to the "drunken fishermen" comments and interpret them as bigotry in multiple threads in this forum, I am at a complete loss as to how you could interpret those statements of yours that I quoted as anything else. As for jealousy, I have no reason to be jealous of you. Once again, what's your issue? What's provoking you? |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by dayokanu(m): 5:51pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
Kudos to PhysicsQED Let Onlylies and beaf continue with their delusion and ally Edo, Itsekiri etc with SE. That would only work on the pages of Nairaland though |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Beaf: 5:56pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
@the clown called PhysicsQED, this is the link to the post that I responded to with the link you posted: 10cirenoh: https://www.nairaland.com/602652/bayelsa-tops-nigeria-unemployment-chart/2#7712104 I don't know if you see yourself as a hat wearing monkey or whatever. I don't see what the post above has to do with Edo state either; so the question remains: [size=21pt]PhysicsQED, why are you telling lies?[/size] |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Beaf: 5:58pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: Provide proof, otherwise you are just small-minded lying scum. [size=21pt]Why is it so hard to provide proof na? Is it because you are LYING?[/size] |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Beaf: 5:59pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
dayokanu: Kudos to PhysicsQED Lol! Jealousy will kill you. Face your front. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by PhysicsQED(m): 6:03pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
@ Beaf Keep deceiving yourself and if you like, type in an even bigger font size. That poster, for no reason, made it a point to attack Bayelsans. You responded, and in the course of doing so, made statements that could only be interpreted in the exact same way that you interpret the frequent "drunken fishermen" statements. Even a hat wearing monkey can understand what was written there, so consider me whatever you like. I know what I've read. I don't need to see 10cirenoh actually type the word "Ijaw" before I would interpret what he posted as bigotry, nor do I need to see you type the name of the specific group before I take issue with the statements. |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by Beaf: 6:10pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: @ Beaf Stop staggering and stammering like a crazed wildebeest on drugs and show me even a single bigotted statement I have made against Edo state. If you cannot do that, you will be forever consigned to the heap of lying scumbags. [size=21pt]PhysicsQED, why are you telling lies?[/size] I wonder if you are on drugs today. Or is it just jealousy of some sort? |
Re: Ending Off-shore Derivation by PhysicsQED(m): 6:23pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
Beaf, I'm not interested in going back and forth with a robot. When someone uses the phrase "drunken fisherman" without mentioning the name of a specific ethnic group or state or mentioning any group at all, you scream bigotry (https://www.nairaland.com/605766/rascals-govt-jonathan-drunk-fisherman/2#7741860), even when they don't mention a group or state that they could be accused of being bigoted against explicitly. But when someone says to someone else "your states "other source of income" is from the export of your women to Italy (underage and overage, young and old, unmarried and married)" it's not bigotry. You obviously have your own interpretation and I'm stunned that you can't see the contradiction. But I disagree with you completely and don't intend to change my opinion or interpretation anytime soon because I know what I read. I have no more time to waste on this, so don't expect another response from me on this particular disagreement. |
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