Matthew 12:32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak,
they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Always think before you open that your mouth.

ijawkid:

@ least my eyes is not d same as my nose...they are 2 different ,distinct organs...


But u won't agree that Jesus is seperate and distinct from d Father...

So find another illustration...

Ur illustration doesn't fit d matter been discussed.......

If Yahweh is always d head and Jesus d slave,high priest,mediator,son,prince(subordinate) does it nt boil down to d fact that d Father is greater than the son??

Abi our eye dey pain us not to see am??

Council of nicea has really done sometin to the whole of christendom......

I feel and I know u believe in modalism,the parent of the trinity dogma...

All pagan inclined....

Of course Jesus is separate and distinct from The Father.

ijawkid:

Now who told u it was Jesus that said he is d almighty in that passage u read in revelation??

Was it not Yahweh who made that statement

U have to really look out that 1corinthians to make ya final conclusions......

Or u might arrive @ d fact that in as much as Jesus is d almighty,an almightier being greater than Jesus exists.........

If not how wuld u explain 1corinthians....

And u didn't explain d lucifer thing well.....

Lucifer is not a title that belongs to satan or a world power alone....

Jesus also bears that name or title....

But it never makes him d devil or d same as d devil......

There r so many reasons that does refute why Jesus can't be d almighty......

Except u guys kill Yahweh.....

Acts 2:22 . Please, read and explain. Thanks.

2 Corinthians 1:3
Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

Jesus is the son of God.

kola oloye: 2 Corinthians 1:3
Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

Jesus is the son of God.

"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6

Can you kindly help me twist the scripture above, thanks !!

Matthew 1:23 "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."



Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

frosbel:

"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6

Can you kindly help me twist the scripture above, thanks !!

That was what someone said about Jesus but what did he say about himself
MATT 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Do you also have JOHN 3:16 in your bible?

@ frosbel
Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;
neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Who gave him the power if not the father?
Pls read your bible.

kola oloye: @ frosbel
Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;
neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Simple :

"But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." - Hebrews 2:9

Also read Phillipians 2, you will get the gist.

Jesus came as a man, yet divine, and emptied himself to taste death for our salvation.

He is the first begotten from the dead as a man, and yet in heaven he is ONE with GOD.

Who gave him the power if not the father?
Pls read your bible.

As a man who tasted death for us , he was the Son of God , but in his true nature he is GOD.


[/b]The Word Became Flesh

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the [b]Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it." - John 1 : 1-5


You did not answer my first question, you refuse to explain the following :


"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6


With the scripture in John 1, Jesus is clearly depicted as God who came in the flesh.


Stop wresting scripture , ask God for understanding .

The verses I quoted are right in front of your face and yet you discard them to hold unto the lie that Jesus was not divine .

Also , explain the below verse :

"They were terrified and asked each other, "Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!" - Mark 4:41

Since when did the winds and waves start to obey man.

At Jordan, hear this:
Luke 3:
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven,
which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

While with the apostles:
Matthew 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud,
which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

kola oloye: At Jordan, hear this:
Luke 3:
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven,
which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

While with the apostles:
Matthew 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud,
which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Again you are jumping around without addressing the scripture I posted above.

"speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction." - 2 Peter 3:16

Please enlighten me about his crucifixion.
1. Did God sacrifice himself for himself?
2. Why were the apostles called Christians and not Godian?

In addition don't forget to interpret John 3:16 for me.
Tanx

kola oloye: Please enlighten me about his crucifixion.
1. Did God sacrificed himself for himself?
2. Why were the apostles called Christians and not Godian?

Okay you are not a believer, no point going further, may God enlighten your spiritual eyes.

frosbel:

Okay you are not a believer, no point going further, may God enlighten your spiritual eyes.

Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Jesus said, go ye into the world and preach the gospel . . not to the believers but unbelievers.
Why are you not obeying the commandment after all a willing soul is been denied by you to hear and to learn about the gospel.

Is it not also written that, faith cometh not but by hearing and hearing . . .
then how can we hear when you refused to preach?

kola oloye:

Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Jesus said, go ye into the world and preach the gospel . . not to the believers but unbelievers.
Why are you not obeying the commandment after all a willing soul is been denied by you to hear and to learn about the gospel.

Is it not also written that, faith cometh not but by hearing and hearing . . .
then how can we hear when you refused to preach?

If you cannot address my earlier points I cannot help you , it simply shows that you are intentionally deceptive !!

frosbel:

If you cannot address my earlier points I cannot help you , it simply shows that you are intentionally deceptive !!

Nooooooo,the fact was that my posting was simultaneous without going through your response.

Now can we reason together?

lepasharon:
NO

wetin u sabi

If Jesus is Almighty God...

1. Then why is "God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man"? (1 Cor. 11:3)

2. Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a separate person from God? (John 20:17; John 14:1; Mark 10:18; John 17:1-3; etc. Also in heaven, 1 Cor. 11:3; Luke 22:69; etc.)

3. Then how can Jesus have a God? Could Almighty God have a God? (Mic. 5:4; Ps. 45:6, 7; 89:26; John 20:17; Rom. 15:6; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph 1:3; Col 1:3; Mark 15:34; John 17:1-3; Also in heaven, Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12)

4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and is part of Creation? (Col. 1:15)

5. Then why does Rev. 3:14 say that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God"?

6. Then why is he subject to GOD, like we're subject to him? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28; Eph. 1:17)

7. Then why does Micah 5:2 say that Jesus' ORIGIN was “from early times”?

8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matt. 24:36, Rev.1:1; Luke 8:45)

9. Then why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28)

10. Then why does Proverbs 8:22-31 show that the Messiah was CREATED / PRODUCED by God?

11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1 Cor. 15:27, Eph. 1:17, 22)

12. Then why would he have to be given any power and authority? (Mt. 28:18; 11:27; Jn. 5:22; 17:2; 3:35; 2 Pet. 1:17)

13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Heb. 5:8; John 5:19; 8:28)

14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Mt. 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)

15. Then why did Jesus call the "Father...the only true God"? (John 17:3)

16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Heb. 5:7; John 12:27)

17. Then why did he have to be exalted to Leader and Savior? (Acts 5:31)

18. Then how could he be exalted and given a higher name than he had? (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:2-4)

19. Then why did he have to be given life in himself? (John 5:25,26)

20. Then how can the Father be greater than he? (John 14:28)

21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan when God cannot be tempted with evil? (James 1:13)

22. Then why did he worship the Father? (John 4:22)

23. Then why can he not do anything on his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)

24. Then why would he pray to anybody? (Luke 22:44; John 17:1,2; Heb. 5:7)

25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's "only BEGOTTEN Son"? ASV

26. Then how can he be God's servant? (Acts 4:26,27,30)

27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)

28. Then how could he be a mediator between God and man? (1 Tim. 2:5)

29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)

30. Then how can he be God's image? (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3)

31. Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the Originator (ek)? (1 Cor. 8:6; John 1:1-3; Prov. 8:30; Heb. 2:10; Col. 1:15,16)

32. Then why did Jesus say GOD was "good" in a way that Jesus was not? (Mark 10:18)

33. Then why does he have an archangel's voice instead of God's voice? (1 Thess. 4:16)

34. Then why is the only "worship" given to him the same given to humans? (Heb. 1:6, cf. Mt. 18:26; Rev. 3:9 - "Proskuneo"

35. Then why do many who believe this rely on a few selected, so-called 'proof-texts' instead of the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible?

36. Then how could he be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49; Deut. 18:18)

37. Then why did Steven see two separate entities, GOD and Jesus, and not just one God or three persons? (Acts 7:55)

38. Then how could he be seen at GOD's right hand? (Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom. 8:34)

39. Then how could Jesus be exalted (not to become God Himself, but) to the position of the "right hand OF God"? (Acts 2:33)

40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God? (Rev.1:1)

41. Then why is he called God's "begotten" Son before he came to earth? (John 3:16; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9)

42. Then how could he have a Father? (John 20:17)

43. Then how could he come in flesh? (1 Kings 8:27; Acts 17:24,25)

44. Then why did he not come in his own name? (John 5:41-44)

45. Then why did Jesus "come down from heaven to do" God's will and not his own will? (Luke 22:42; John 6:38; John 5:30; John 8:42)

46. Then how could he appear before GOD? (Heb. 9:24)

47. Then how could he die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Rom. 5:10; Acts 5:30; 1 Cor. 15:3; Hab.1:12; cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; Num. 23:19; Ps. 90:2; Dan. 6:25-26)

48. Then why is it that God resurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32)

49. Then why can we see him if "no man has seen God at any time"? (John 1:18)

50. Then why is there not one clear Scripture where Jesus is called "God the Son," (equal to those declaring "God, the Father)?

51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but neither the Jewish officials nor even one of these false witnesses made a claim that he was God or equally God? (Matt. 26:59-67)

52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." Why is there is no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the most important thing of all - that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)

53. How could Jesus teach in the Jewish synagogues and the temple? This would never happen if any of the authorities believed he claimed to be God (or that his followers believed such a thing). - Matt. 26:55; John 7:14, 28. Matt. 4:23.

54. How could Jesus' followers teach in Jewish synagogues after Jesus' death and for the remainder of that first century (at least)? Again, this would not have been allowed if there were any suspicion that they believed Jesus to be God. Acts 9:20; 13:5, Acts 13:13-15.


If the Holy Spirit is Almighty God...

1. Then why do quotes from Trinitarians admit that the Holy Spirit is not God but rather is a force from God?

2. Then why would Jews instructed in the Old Testament scriptures and in the teachings of John the Baptist, NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS? (Acts 19:2)

3. Then why isn't the Holy Spirit given equal description in the Bible?

4. Then why didn't Jesus ever teach that the Holy Spirit was God along with the Father and Son?

5. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.)

6. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25)

7. Then why is the holy spirit nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits?

8. Then why did the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD disregard the Holy Spirit as a member of the Godhead when they made Jesus 'God' in 325 AD? Why did they wait until the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD to include the Holy Spirit in the formula?

9. Then wouldn't the water and blood be persons too according to Trinitarian reasoning and 1 John 5:8?

10. Then why is the Holy Spirit sandwiched between a list of QUALITIES at 2 Cor. 6:6?

11. Then why does the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33?

12. Then why is it that nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit ever said to be an equal member of a trinity?

13. Then why is it that nowhere is it mentioned in the Bible the words, "God, the Holy Spirit," or "The Holy Spirit is God"?

14. Then why is it that there is never mentioned a vision, dream or clear description in scripture wherein God and the Holy Spirit are shown as the same person?

If the Trinity Doctrine is a Bible teaching...

1. Then why do NUMEROUS encyclopedias agree that

"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"? – p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D.

2. Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

3. Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?

4. Then why does 2 Cor. 13:14 say that the Lord Jesus Christ is one individual, the Holy Spirit is another individual (whether a person or a thing), and that "GOD" IS ANOTHER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL?

5. Then why is there not even one Scripture which clearly defines the Trinity?

6. Then why is there not even one Scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?

7. Then why is there not even one Scripture where God is described using the word "three"?

I have read your post. It solved some aspects of the problem. I think you need to make the problem clearer Happy Room

yoji:
This is jus absurd. Reason tells us dat the facts of a case naturally leads to its conclusion, but wat defenders of this trinity do is first arrive @ a conclusion, then look for pits and pieces to justify it. Its jus typical of rebellious mankind dat, when d bible says one thing, we turn round and say ours. When d disciples called jesus Good, jesus scolded them sayin, nobody is good but God! Yet someone wants us to blieve otherwise. The same jesus when asked for when d world would end said he didn't know but only God knew, yet someone xpects us to believe otherwise. And dat refernce to him sayin I and d father are one as him being d same entity as God is lame cos its like if ur boss sends u to represent him in a meetin and d other pple @ d meetin insist on seein ur boss, u can say u and ur boss r one in d sense that d message u r bringing is approved by d man they want 2 c as he sent u as a representative. All dat tries to do is get pple focused on d message and not d messenger. It doesn't mean he is d same entity as his sender. So if jesus was God, u mean he created a woman, then incubated himself in his own creation for 9 months?? If he was fully human on earth, wat kept d world togethr? Only someone who despises knowledge will ignore d historical fact dat trinity was a concept formulated long after d death of jesus but constantine to unite d various christian ideologies @ dat time to make his rule easier. Pls google council of nicea

God bless you my brother, flesh and blood did not reveal this to you definitely....I have never seen the most confused entities as those trinitarians in my life they irritate me anytime they argue blindly and say Jesus Christ our Lord is the same being as Yeshua, God Almighth