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donnie:
Homo sapiens

And you believe Adam that lived 6000 years ago was the first Homo sapiens, the species of human that first evolved in Africa around 300,000 years ago?

donnie:
The earth could have been inhabited by several civilizations/ species even before Adam. But Adam was the first of Modern man.

donnie:
EARLY HUMANS...not modern humans. There's a huge difference. These ones did not descend from Adam. Even their physical features were different.

Besides, there's usually too much exaggeration with that their radiometric or radiocarbon whetever.

What's the scientific term for modern humans?

musicwriter:
Here is list of top books recommended for black people to read. Most of them are about the type of knowledge that has been deliberately hidden from black people and even the world. See list of top 230 books that black people must read https://www.africason.com/2021/06/top-230-books-black-people-must-read-or.html

You can download most of the books free by searching Google. When you do a Google search, add PDF at the end of the name of the book, then follow the leads to archive.org or scrible.com or guttenberg project. Those three are free book sharing sites and any book you find there is free. However, sometimes, archive.org may allow to only borrow and read the book online, depending on the preference of the member that uploaded the book. In that case, just borrow the book and be watchful of the day it would be your turn to read it. They usually notify the borrower by email. Guttenberg project also allow reading online. All for free.

All right, bro. Thanks a lot.

musicwriter:
I actually don't intend charging money for that in future. This initial charge is just because I am in a difficult situation where I must raise venture capital to establish a structure to allow me offer it free of charge.

Some of the books include those I already sent you sometime ago. It's just a matter of picking one information here and there and grouping it into a specific knowledge.

Regarding the other thing, you'll hear from me when he do it.

Kudos!

Regarding the books you sent, I'll re-download all of them soon when I'm set up and re-read them gradually. Sadly, I lost all my book collections with my damaged laptop

Thanks a lot!

musicwriter:
Read the above again.

Joe Biden has by mistake revealed the tactics used by developed nations (including the US) to exploit poor countries. And that's what I've warned several times here on Nairaland and on my blog.

Economic coercion- by this, he means the so called bi-lateral trade, predatory loan schemes, globalisation, neo-colonialism, IMF & world bank economic intervention fraud, harness our best brain in science but supplying us COVID-19 medicine, etc.

Technical exploitation- they give you education to enslave you a.k.a education for underdevelopment according to Brother Walter Rodney, predatory scholarship schemes to harness the smartest brain in poor countries for use of their talent, etc.

Disinformation- Such as Noah's ark has been found, fraudulent coordinated news by the BBC, CNN, FOX, SKY, CBS, fraudulent IMF & world publication to have you devalue your currency, Fraudulent orchestration, linguistic manipulation, etc.

I've developed a subject to study all that.

Learn PREDATORLOGY- a new branch of study on how Europe re-colonize their former colonies today https://www.africason.com/2021/08/predatorlogy-study-of-how-europe-re.html?m=1

I have gone through your course, Predatorlogy. The curriculum is quite deep and looks fascinating.

Thus, the high cost of the course is well justified. For some of us that can't afford the fee of $1500 of the program but are keenly interested in it, please what books or resources do you recommend we get for free?

budaatum:
Triplechoice. Anyone can tell you've not read Otem's book. If you had, you'd understand he is not claimimg what he is writing is based on actual facts nor is he asking anyone to believe what he's written, so you thinking it is fact to believe shows a limitation in your comprehension. If that were not the case, you'd have simply asked Otem to show you the cage in which his Yahweh is encaged, and if he doesn't or can't, case closed.

That's quite glaring. He's merely arguing blindly and making different silly things up, trying too hard and desperately to win the argument.

Better to avoid some dull arguments wey no get head or tail

triplechoice:
[s]Canceling my reply like a thug only shows the kind of frustrated person you're[/s]

When next you want to argue with me, don't be mischievous by stating claims, pure lies that don't exist like your sick friend above.

triplechoice:
[s]Calling someone dull or of a low intelligence doesn't make them that.

If I were all you described ,you don't need to mention it . Others following would confirm and prove it.
But as long as you're the only saying so, it means you're deluded.

Now , here you are mixing up two things together and you think you're making sense.
My disagreement is that there's nothing like coincidence having power to cause anything.

It is as simple as that.

Don't mix what you understand about coincidence which I can accept with that of the op. They are not the same[/s]

You're an extremely dull and mischievous person for making things up that don't exist in reality but only in your mind.

I made my points clear from the start, but your mischief has beclouded your sense of reasoning.

Whatever you believe about coincidence is none of my concern.

triplechoice:
Between the two of us, I'm the one in need of a brain check.

[s]You that is so gullible to believe and follow sheepishly someone who claim to know of a spiritual cage where the imaginary gods of Allah and Jehovah locked up is saying what?[/s]
I'm saying nonsense here

Lols, you're not making sense at all. This is such a dull post.

A001:
Yes, he said there's a certain kind of power in nature called the power of coincidence, according to his own philosophy, which makes wishes, prayers become granted.

Now, where did he tell you that people need to chant a so-called expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality?

You're merely wasting your time on a simple issue.

Any observant person knows coincidences happen a number of times in life. But there's no concrete scientific evidence why that occurs.


While Otem's model or explanation looks interesting, whether it's valid or not remains to be proven scientifically to be called a statement of fact.

Why are you getting worked up over a trivial issue to the extent of making different things up that only exist in your imagination just to show you're right?

Read my quote above again, especially the highlighted parts. Maybe by the time you read it like 10 times , your 2kB IQ will finally understand the following clear statements I made:

1. Coincidences happen a number of times in life.
2. There's no scientific evidence for what what causes them.
3. Otem says coincidental occurrences are caused by the power of nature called the power of coincidence.
4. His explanation or model of how such happens looks scientific and interesting, but it's still a claim until proven by concrete evidence in science.

Only a mischievous or an extremely dull person wouldn't be able to infer the following conclusions from all I've said so far.

The rest of your post above is a figment of the imagination of your obtuse mind.

triplechoice:
[s]After taking my arguments out of its context, how are you expected to understand me.

Go back and read from where we started.

Your lord says there's something called the power of coincidence which is responsible for miraculous occurrence. I disagree with him because there is no evidence of such power.

I have been holding on to that position from day one.

If you have not seen that ,then thats your problem.

I have been asking him what is the difference between saying the power of god is responsible and not the power of coincidence , he has refused to answer but to twist and turn to confuse himself.[/s]

Trash. I see you've personal issues with Otem. Lols

Better get your brain checked. Your imaginative power is working abnormally hence you won't be spewing tripe like "your lord".

I shouldn't waste my time discussing with someone that can't understand simple expressions in English, but is busy making different fictional things up in his small mind.

Asking me silly questions when anyone with an average IQ can find the answers to the questions in the posts he quoted.

Talk about being mischievous and silly.

Hope you settle whatever issues you have with the OP. That's your problem to deal with.

triplechoice:
And you believe such a power exist?

Where is the prove and how did you and himself demonstrate this power?

After talking about the power of coincidence which you both claim exist in nature, you then depart from that to talk of coincidence in the ordinary sense which everyone understands and want to make it appear you're saying the same time.

Both of you don't understand how the word coincidence is used. Hence your confusion

Is that not evidence of confused thinking?

Modified . The reason I asked if the power should be chanted is when he said words can be used like an hypnotist to create effect. Please go back and read and don't be lazy

You don't read to comprehend but to argue.

Tell me where I told you that I believe the power of coincidence exists in nature. The problem is you've a poor understanding of English.

Read the statement you quoted again. I stated my stance clearly. No need to rehash it.

triplechoice:
See what I mean?

Instead to take time to follow our conversation from the beginning to understand what lead to that you just jumped in at the middle.

Besides ,those where questions he was expected to answer since he stupidity agreed that the expression contains power.

It was why asked those questions . So keep your insults

Yes, he said there's a certain kind of power in nature called the power of coincidence, according to his own philosophy, which makes wishes, prayers become granted.

Now, where did he tell you that people need to chant a so-called expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality?

You're merely wasting your time on a simple issue.

Any observant person knows coincidences happen a number of times in life. But there's no concrete scientific evidence why that occurs.

While Otem's model or explanation looks interesting, whether it's valid or not remains to be proven scientifically to be called a statement of fact.

Why are you getting worked up over a trivial issue to the extent of making different things up that only exist in your imagination just to show you're right?

triplechoice:
If you know anything at all show me in my arguments where I said the op contains anyone repeating any expression to create effect.

You're very confused and merely saying nonsense.

Read your post below again. You'll find your answer in it.

triplechoice:
I never agree with you.
I am afraid you're confused.

You don't understand anything about what I just explained. Nothing in your reply shows you understand a single thing.

Provide evidence that people use the energy which comes from repeating the expression " power of coincidence" to create miracles or take the nonsense elsewhere.

Was this your initial position? I believe you just learnt something from me along the way and want to use it to deceive yourself not me

How do you know or determine that the energy which can be released from that expression when repeated has the power to create miracles.

Do you know of anyone that's actually doing that?

Have you tried it yourself?

If anyone tries it right now would it work?

You're talking nonsense and it is a shame

I never wanted the discussion to degenerate into this but just can't help it now

You really are a huge disappointment. Never expected this sort of deception from you.

Good day and have a swell time in convincing your gullible followers that there is something like the power of coincidence which people use like any other valid source of power out there to create effect deliberately.

Modified. So you mean the football results of Chelsea and Liverpool you posted was as a result of someone in the English FA pronouncing the expression " power of coincidence" over and over again?

Or maybe you did. Please tell us

triplechoice:
Did you follow the conversation at all to know what lead to that?

Next time make sure understand what you're commenting on.
Your friend is confused about what he thinks he knows.

You look up to him and so don't expect you to know any better

You don't even understand your own argument.

I don't look up to anyone but myself. You're very confused, merely making different things up that only exist in your imagination, not in reality.

Mention where the OP told anyone to chant an expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality.

Lols. You don't even understand many things you're posting on.

Lols. Otem even get time dey waste for this kind of argument.

Where did the OP told anyone to be repeating any expression containing "coincidence" to manifest any wish?

Lols. You just read some silly remarks on Nl and laugh...

Comprehending simple statements can really be hard for some.

All these petty arguments are better avoided.

Capaldi:
You are on your own.

Are you a flat-earther?

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks boss,

Osan gangan, that's the peak of the day, 12pm, ojo kanri.

Oru ganjo, aajin, the farthest or deepest hour of the night, midnight.

Feere, afeemojumo, dawn.

Ile nsu, ile nmo, ojo ngori ojo. From this alone, the Yoruba naturally looks to evening and the morning as the end and the beginning of another day.

Some might subscribe to Ile nmo Ile nsu, it still makes the day culminate in the evening, when another day began, "ojo nrebi ana".

Something else can be observed, loru ana, loru eni, loru ijeta. There's no loru ijeeji. Eni, ana, ijeta. Ana is ijeeji. Ana is Aji: mid, in-between.

In monetary value, ana is the spent. Aina is the capital. The spent time can never be recovered. Ana is the day that has fallen to the spent column of time.

On the other hand, tomorrow is Ola, Yoruba for wealth. This future time seems to fall into the wealth or asset column of time. It has not been spent and so, full of opportunities.

Today, eni, e ni. Total balance, possession, having, bonus, eni. In this sense of time, the three words for days of the week matches with economic thinking, sort of weird.

Well it's not the first time you will encounter sound economic philosophy in the Yoruba imponderables, another example is opokun oyankun.

The cheaper the quantity, the popular the choice.

Enjoy our Yoruba moments.

Nice one, bro.

Yoruba language is so rich and our culture so beautiful. Many aspects of the philosophies of our forefathers and ancestors in this part of the world have a lot of depth and wisdom in them.

It's just unfortunate the great damage the two foreign religions have done — and are still doing — to our beautiful culture and rich language.

If one starts saying all these things offline in the presence of the Christians and Muslims and advocate having respect for our traditional values (even without any barbaric or idolatry elements), one would be seen as devilish or an iconoclast by these people.

SMH

Offpointng:
The Empathy a rat has towards a cat can only be translated into the common love a road has for a Gold fish that results to singing songs of praise when a shark decides to copy the golden fish and blast off a tortoise off the road of habitat. surely ghastly can only be used when the tortoise die not when he stand up again to steal some porridge or tell tales but most times its something to be happy about

Lols. You don craze

No time to reply a mentally unstable kid.

triplechoice:
When you assume someone is of superior intelligence or is infallible you're bound to defend anything they say even when it doesn't make any sense.

Nobody knows it all. Anyone at some point can make a mistake or come up with something that he or she thinks is true.. I am no exception. I make mistakes too.

If you regard anyone has infallible or inspired by god ,you stand the risk of being misled.

You have to question everything you're told or read.

This is not to disparage Otem in anyway . His book has stories which teaches some salient truth about life. And that is a fact

I am amazed by what he has put up.

But hey, one just cannot swallow everything

I insist there's nothing like the power of coincidence.
Otem has simply made that up ..

Coincidence simply means an occurrence with no apparent cause.

But he is telling us that coincidence has power to cause something

Maybe you should read the post you quoted again. I stated clearly I don't have a definitive answer to how coincidence works.

It's better you put "with no known apparent cause" in the highlighted definition above because all occurrences, even the seemingly random ones, have a cause or a chain of causes, but humans, due to our limited perception and brain power, don't know the exact causes most times.

Otem's views about many things have a lot of depth.

I'm willing to give his explanation of how coincidence works in nature a benefit of doubt because of the sources sending the histories, especially because of Atum and his impact on ancient Egyptians toward the construction of the pyramids.

Besides, consciousness isn't a subject matter that's well covered or researched about in the contemporary science. The field is a nascent one.

There are still many fundamental things about nature scientists are yet to study or discover, which the ancients or the humanoids (gods and goddesses) such as Olohun, Chukwu, Atum, Allah, Jehovah, and thousands of others worshipped know.

So I consider Otem's model an interesting and plausible one.

But the model, like every other claim or work, is subject to constant questioning, scrutiny, and examination.

I never told you to take anything anyone says whether they claim to be a god or higher being as a statement of fact without seeing evidence in support of the claim or model.

nonny1212:
There are some games we won hazard played too. Hazard is not the problem. He is not even Ancelloti's first choice.

I blame Ancelloti somehow for yesterday's 2point loss, First, coz of his first 11 picks. Valverde should have done better at midfield. Asensio shouldn't have started too.

Villarrel dominated midfield and it affected our play alot. It is a lesson and I think Ancelloti has learnt from it.

He is not as stubborn as zidane that's why I like him.

Most of that guy's posts are nonsensical, meant discarded as trash.

triplechoice:
So how does corresponding in nature means causative

Personally, I don't know.

But Otem gave a plausible explanation or model that's based on the concept of interference in Physics. He says Urim (defined above) is an aspect or part of nature, responsible for causality as explained in the excerpt above.

(He explained how it works in the book. I don't have the time to go into the details here.)

Just like each of the higher beings or gods and goddesses of religions is an aspect of nature responsible for different physical manifestations on earth.

Gaia is a goddess or an aspect of nature that's the consciousness of planet Earth and she's also called Mother Earth, according to Otem.

Otem claims he's an aspect of nature responsible for compiling unlimited histories of the universe from billions of years back.

He gave further details how the power of coincidence via Urim works physically and scientifically in the book.

While I see the model as a great one and workable, I honestly don't understand the whole concept unless I see or discover this Urim he talked about.

Seeing is believing.

triplechoice:
I asked for a Simple defination of the word coincidence.

Please define it for me so I know we have the same understanding of it.

I don't need your explanation at this stage

I gave you a simple and clear definition from the dictionary. Didn't you see it?

triplechoice:
Please define the word coincidence

From a standard dictionary, coincidence is "the fact of corresponding in nature or in time of occurrence."

A common example of coincidences is when you wish to get two specific figures on two dice in a game of Ludo to defeat your opponent, say your wish (or just think about it), and the wish (the figures) manifests.

Another common example is when there's a power outage, and you say a wish or pray for power supply to be restored and your room lights up immediately.

Those are coincidental, random or stochastic events.

Nothing spiritual or supernatural. It's just natural or physical.

triplechoice:
Otem talked about the power of coincidence.

What is the meaning of power?

Do you know?

I don't know the power personally. But I observe coincidence in my daily activities.

According to Otem, Urim or the Universal Consciousness of Wishes, mentioned in the excerpt, is responsible for the power of coincidence.

Urim is an aspect of God Almighty, which according to him is the Total of Existence or a great source of energy, just like all gods and goddesses worshipped in religions, humans, animals, microbes, etc. are all aspects of God as defined in the Otemic or Atomic philosophy.

My own view about God is agnostic.

triplechoice:
Several times in the past you have used that same story as explanation .

What ever you say, there is nothing like the power of coincidence.

Coincidence has no power. It is non causal.

I don't think Otem said the power of coincidence is causal. It appears you've not read his book because he gave a detailed explanation there.

Coincidences happen a lot in our daily activities. It's just a natural phenomenon, which is random, not the cause of the occurrences themselves.

Here's an excerpt from the book explaining how coincidences work as narrated by Atum, the chief source of the content of the book:

"I began to think of studying the wishes of the homos. I made a device to detect waves of wishes.

Then I saw the waves of my wishes as they travelled away from me. They had different colours.

The waves had two strange colours which are not among the five hundred different types of basic colours we used to know.

I named the colours Duito and Jibret. The colours diffused into space at a very fast rate.

Wishes waves travel to locate
the waves which Urim, the universal consciousness of wishes radiates.

Most of the time, the waves sent by an individual die off before making contact with the waves raditated by Urim.

When the wishes sent out by an individual meets the the waves of Urim, the wishes become granted. This is called coincidence. I studied the power of coincidence for twelve years.

I also saw that only very strong wishes have a chance of coinciding with the waves of Urim. I made a device to study the intensities of wishes.

I discovered also that wishes which had coincided with the waves of urims may take long to become a reality.

They may even take as long as a millennium or even a billion years to come to pass even after coinciding with the waves of Urim.

I also discovered that almost all the wish-waves of the universe did not stay long enough to coincide with the waves of Urim.

I sent two wish-waves to the universe and tracked the waves with my devices.

The first wish was to make Aferk become free from mind slavery. The second was to turn all my siblings who have bad intentions for the homos into good gods.

I monitored the two wave￾wishes. The first one coincided with the wave of Urim after five years, but the other wave faded off after seven years without
coinciding with the wave of Urim.

I also discovered how wish￾waves cancelled out themselves. I saw that almost ninety-nine out of a hundred waves sent into the universe cancelled out each other. " — Book of Universal History, pg. 1041

You may get the book from the author to learn more. " Homos" means humans as the narrator (Atum) is a creator of early humans and animals on this planet, according to the literature.

This is one of the many parts of the book that are so profound and great that I can't just regard the literature as a work of fiction.

The entities (higher beings or gods according to religious people) sending these revelations to Otem look so advanced and have discovered and measured thousands of different types of waves that today's scientists are yet to discover, including consciousness (soul), which is also a kind of wave.

Olu317:
Beauty to behold my dear. Yoruba tradition is absolutely non devilish. These does not mean there are no evil people using evil knowledge to hurt or do evil against human beings. But the Yoruba God is white (spotless) and ageless.

Nice

musicwriter:
Unless I'll ask someone maybe he can do it.

Please, do. Thanks a lot, bro.

Olu317:
The Yoruba tradition acknowledge day of creation through Ògún.

That's interesting.