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Amatarasha:
Gawd !! If I catch u buda , I will send u to unknown world , you are talking to an ogbanje abali ooo! Becareful with ur confusion n don't think here is faceless enough

Don't you think our evil politicians in Nigeria deserve something like this?

Dey talk say witches and ogbanje plenty for Edo and Yorubaland, yet our politicians dey mess with everybody.

Hmmm.

Amatarasha:
because it is the infamous , who is a renowned pretender

Are you sure?

budaatum:
I take it you did not bother to read those books so you are not become corrupt and enslave of mind and dull.

buda read those books. Do you agree that buda has become corrupt and enslaved of mind and dull?

People whose views about life's issues focus more on being politically correct than being truthful are corrupt.

There's no way I wouldn't know the Bible and Qur'an well when I attended a missionary school as a teen and was introduced to Qur'an from two years of age.

Years ago, I thought Qur'an and partly the Bible were the highest authoritative sources on all life's issues.

But on reaching adulthood, I reviewed these books and my religious beliefs and discovered both books are useless and are merely plagiarized versions of the texts of older animistic religions (paganism).

budaatum:
I find it amusing when people claim to have been reading my posts then make claims my posts oppose. You are at least honest in admitting you don't understand me at all.

First, I am anti-belief! Adam believed, and you must have read how I prefer use her senses Eve to ignorant believing naked enslaved Adam.
https://www.nairaland.com/4960881/garden-eden-childs-view

Second, Humpty Dumpty and Alice in Wonderland is a fictional character, but that doesn't mean words do not mean exactly what he says they mean to him, even when his meaning is wrong.
https://www.nairaland.com/5131448/how-jesusjnr-emerged-victorious-advocate666s/2#78218488

Does Jesus need to have existed before it is true that "the eye is the lamp of the body", A001, or would you like to argue that your eyes are not the lamp of your body?
https://www.nairaland.com/5178192/questions-budaatum-how-follow-jesus

Anything that comes from the book of lies and deception, the Bible, isn't worth taking seriously by any rational thinker, especially an African.

I think for an average Nigerian, one can lead a good, peaceful life by combining our local traditional beliefs and cultures (devoid of elements of idolatry and other barbaric practices) with science.

Of course, such a one will need to be extremely wary of his/her religious relatives in order to experience peace of mind and progress in life because religionists, especially Nigerian Muslims and Christians, are among the most wicked and selfish people on this planet.

Fictional entities like Jesus, Adam, and Eve are simply of no use to an African that knows his/her history.

A wise person will bin religious texts like the Bible and Qur'an. Both are utterly useless and are mere tools for political, hegemonic agendas of the whites and Arabs.

Those books corrupt and enslave the minds and make one dull.

Amatarasha:
Heyy ! Stop sounding so bitchy when talking to me you confusion made flesh and if I catch u don't worry by 12midnight u shall hear from me nonsense

You are so confused that u don't know Atum hated religion with all vile u and u still bear his name to ridicle him.

Lols. Calm down, auntie

Life as an atheist or a freethinker can be extremely hard for some due to various reasons. Hence, people seem to wear different masks in public fora, though that makes them come across as being confused.

In spite of that, Budaatum is an intelligent and widely read nler. Before you criticize some people harshly, if you know their struggles, you might reconsider.

Amatarasha:
because it is the infamous , who is a renowned pretender

That's interesting.

budaatum:
I do not "see these entities".

I see the words that are written in the books, and i refuse to create crap inside my own head!

Okay. I understand now.

But when discussing whether people's religious beliefs (especially Christianity and Islam) are true or not, your posts show more of political correctness than the truth.

budaatum:
I don't really have takes on religion, A001. I have takes on religious books and how they are understood and create religious people. And you don't really understand my "takes". No one can unless they ask questions, and we know questioning is unnigerian. We Nigerians prefer to make crap up in our heads and believe it.

Imagine an atheist claiming not to believe in the existence of Gods, or a theist who believes Gods exist. The fact they believe is enough to show how ignorant that person is. Why can't they know if Gods exist or not. If I claim to believe a particular woman is my mother, I'm sure you'd wonder if I really know who gave birth to me.

That said, I gave a special place in my heart for a book that states "In the beginning was the Word". Note how it does not claim, "In the beginning was a God". You got to love Jesus just for the fact that he was well read.

Anyway, do question what you call my "takes on religion" please. Nothing delights me more than being challenged to use my brain.

I have read many of your takes on Christianity and Islam since you stopped being an atheist.

So, you've posted your takes on religion.

As regards the second to the last paragraph, what evidence do you have that Jesus exists or existed?

I don't understand you at all. You believe in Jesus. Do you also believe in Atum and Buddha?

If not, how do you see these entities?

budaatum:
What is wrong with you this child? Do your eyes not work at all? Can you not see buda atum?

Here! Learn about Atum and cure your ignorance.

You're quite well read, and your moniker is a fascinating one.

But I don't like many of your takes on religion since your left atheism.

Cool thread.

Interesting thread.

Amatarasha:
please who is " Otem" & " Atum " ? Because I am confused

So am I.

budaatum:
I did not know Otem would "refer to the definition of the term in a standard dictionary", and in fact, Otem has not referred "to the definition of the term in a standard dictionary" yet.

I asked because I value his opinion and wanted to know what it was on the term instead of just ignorantly assuming what it might be. His "standard dictionary" might be very different to my dictionary, and I might learn something new from his "standard dictionary".

I'm curious like that, I guess.

Okay. That's what he always does with questions of this sort.

You know over the years, I've asked him tons of questions. So I'm talking from experience.

budaatum:
The following 'definition' is not exclusive of other meanings this very complex word encompases, but it's a lot more comprehensive than the limited definition given by very limited son.

Religion is a word which refers to approaches to human spirituality which usually encompass a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, which give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth. It may be expressed through prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction.

Why did ask Otem the question when you already know he would refer to the definition of the term in a standard dictionary?

Yes.

triplechoice:
[s]You're living in denial. That's all.

Your assumption is working against you but you don't know it.

You're the one who is actually behaving like a religious since you're loath to question anything.

Napoleon is always right. Well done
[/s]

Lols. More and more nonsense

Don't quote my post again to spew tripe.

When you're intelligent enough to discuss issues reasonably and honestly without forming different things that don't exist in your head as a mischievous person, I'd be willing to engage you.

triplechoice:
Calling me a religious person shows you don't know anything about me

And it is clear now to me and everyone who knows me on this board, that it was your wrong assumption that worked against you hence you were canceling my post and judging them silly because to you, anyone who question Otem must be religious and a religious person in your thinking can never make sense.

Nobody is above questioning no matter how knowledgeable they present themselves. I don't hold on strongly to any ideological position and for this, I have the mental freedom to question anything that does not make sense so as to clear my doubts or get better informed

If not for cognitive dissonance on your part, why attacking me when I am doing the proper thing of wanting to know more?

When did it become silly or a crime to ask questions?

I have read some parts of the book written by Otem and was impressed . But that does not mean it is a perfect work .

Lols. You're funny.

If you've read the book, you wouldn't have said most of the things you posted here because in many parts of the book, Otem urges readers to question all knowledge and abstain from immersing themselves in the philosophy of another person, whether it's Otem's, Aristotle's, Allah's, Jehovah's, etc.

All your posts, especially the nonsensical parts like your god or your lord Otem, simply show you know little or nothing about what you're criticizing.

Just rest with the mischief and either read the book if you want or stop the petty arguments.

I said you're a religious person because they're only people I know that show the kind of mischief you exhibit here.

The religious guy that has issues with Otem's writings is up to his mischief again. Lols.

Workch:
1. A democratically elected government was elected by the people through their actions and inactions.

2. You have a right to protest against government policies but you don’t have the right to protest aiming to unseat a Democratically elected government by revolution, that’s treasonable felony.

3. The only legal ways to remove a democratically elected executive is via elections or lawmakers impeachment.

4. The police has the judicial right to disperse such protesters.

Nigerian youths have to learn to fix the problem during elections and not try to fix it when government has been instilled. That is unlawful. The leaders we elected is our collective decision, we allowed them there collectively irrespective of how we individually feel about it. They are a reflection of who we are as a people

Happy Independence Day

Nice one.

OtemAtum:
Happy Independence A001

Thanks, bro. Well done.

Interesting. Following.

hupernikao:
The reason it sounds childish is because of those who expose you to it in a childish way. That is why you are here today saying this. You were exposed to childish teaching in the scripture and it's obvious here from your mindset.


Your write up showed that you don't even know anything about what you criticized. Many atimes, you have indulge yourself in false and wrong information and then claim you are knowledgeable in it all.

It's obvious that it's either you were exposed to wrong teaching of the scripture, and that is what is informing your acclaimed knowledge of what is written there as wrong.


Take this from me. You don't know anything about what you are criticizing, your utterance won't stand a test of knowledge on what you know, same ad what you criticise.

Calm down and learn then criticize.

I don't have your time now. Later.

MorataFC:
Do we really need him?
https://www.nairaland.com/6777903/chelsea-join-race-victor-osimhen#106284048

Considering the source is Complete Sports, I'd regard it as fake news.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The major reason why one should leave this country is because its not safe anymore. Not safe for the poor, neither for the rich.

So na like this the Akunyilis take go?

The God wey do am for Ibime, Raumdeuter, Afrodoc, Roland17, abeg remember me now.

Abeggg[/color]

Na big issue, my brother. The country is getting worse daily.

Discoveries like this show the Bible is not a book to be taken seriously by any rational thinker:

The Doom of Homo Erectus: Mass Death Marks End of Species

Indonesian site suggests archaic humans perished about 110,000 years ago.

In the family tree charting human evolution, Homo erectus stands out. Originating in Africa about 2 million years ago, H. erectus was the first hominin — our closest evolutionary kin — with modern human proportions.

It was also the first known hominin to venture beyond Africa and into Europe and Asia, reaching China by about 1.7 million years ago and Indonesia by 1.5 million years ago.

But the accomplishments of H. erectus don’t end there. It’s also the earliest known hominin to have lived in temperate environments, such as the Transcaucasus region that today includes the Republic of Georgia.

The longevity, range and adaptability of H. erectus make it the most successful hominin species in the fossil record.

(Sure, we modern humans live on all seven continents, surviving — often with some help from technology — everywhere from the South Pole to the Sahara, but we’ve only been around a few hundred thousand years.)

Last of Their Kind

So, how did it all end for this mega-successful archaic human? When, and where, did the last H. erectus shuffle off this mortal coil?

These are questions that have long bedeviled paleoanthropologists. One of the most promising sites in the hunt to find the erectus expiration date, Indonesia’s Ngandong, yielded numerous fossils of the hominins during excavations in the 1930s.

Features on the skulls and other bones suggested the individuals were among the most evolved of the species. Dating the material, however, was challenging.

Previous estimates of how old the fossils were ranged from half a million years old to less than 30,000 years old, largely because of the geography of the site. Ngandong’s bonebeds are near the Solo River in Central Java, on a terrace.

As the course of the river changed over time, slices of land eroded and were rebuilt. In short, things got jumbled up.

Now, however, researchers painstakingly recreated a regional chronology for Ngandong, charting changes in both the river’s course and topography of the surrounding hills.

The team also used multiple dating methods to determine the age of the fossils and material that accumulated with them, such as quartz grains and pumice.

The result: The H. erectus fossils of Ngandong are 108,000 to 117,000 years old.

The new, more robust date range confirms the Ngandong hominins are the last known members of H. erectus in the fossil record. And that’s by more than 100,000 years — other late H. erectus fossils from a site near Beijing have been dated to about 230,000 years ago.

A Species Washed Away

The new ages for the Ngandong fossils also rule out an overlap of H. erectus and anatomically modern humans in the region.

The Ngandong fossils, mostly pieces of skull, represent at least a dozen members of H. erectus that appear to have died at the same time. Bones of other animals were also deposited at the site, but researchers have not found stone tools or other artifacts.

The immediate area where the fossils were found was, at the time the bones accumulated there, gravel or sand channel bars in the river itself.

Despite apparently being washed downriver and deposited at the site, the partial fossils show little wear and tear, something expected in bones getting tossed and tumbled for a while in turbulent waters.

The evidence suggests that the individuals died in a single flood event a short way upriver. It was an inglorious end to the species …

… Or was it? Genomic studies of modern populations in nearby New Guinea have identified about 1 percent of their DNA comes from an archaic human that’s not Denisovan, Neanderthal or Homo sapiens.

It may well represent interbreeding with a late population of H. erectus, suggesting that a sliver of this successful species lives on in the genes of some modern humans.

Source: https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-doom-of-homo-erectus-mass-death-marks-end-of-species

Workch:
Donnie is a biblical paleontologist
Expert researcher in the field and has several peer reviewed scientific papers

No one takes experts in Christian science seriously.

donnie:
Cry all you want.... the Evolution teaching has its root in propaganda. Modern man did not evolve after Adam. Period.

Who cares about your ignorant opinion?

If I want to learn anything about the origin of man, I know who to consult: experts in archeology and paleontology.

donnie:
First the bolded above is a lie as even the source below proves. Yes Adam is the first modern man, but kindly share where I said Adam certainly lived 6000 years ago. In fact, I quoted...


The point I'm making, is don't use the little knowledge you have to denigrate the scriptures or anyone who believes in it because there's a lot you still don't know. And a lot of lies have been put out there deliberately.

But that's not to say that the bible is 100% accurate in everything, no. There's been a lot of mistranslation, deliberate adding and removing etc.

The book of lies and half-truths, the Bible, is the source of your confusion and your lack of understanding of how science works.

donnie:
Nope it is not. Reason they said it had certain features that resembled that of modern man. https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/article/morocco-early-human-fossils-anthropology-science

Read about evolution and stop embarrassing yourself in public.

https://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution

Everything in life changes or evolves and humans are not an exception. It's strange to see people saying they don't believe in evolution or that evolution is bogus.

Whether you believe in evolution or not, you evolve or change like every other human and living and non-living things.

donnie:
The Homosapien did not evolve... That's a lie by those who want to hide their own origins and deny today's black man his right as the original modern man, and owners of this earth.

You're very confused.

Let's leave evolution out of the matter, since you're clearly Ignorant about some key concepts in biological science.

The origin of Homo sapiens is Africa, and according to the available body of archeological evidence, modern humans originated 300,000 years ago.

And yet you said Adam is the first modern man (a homo sapiens) that lived 6000 years ago, according to the Bible contrary to concrete scientific evidence about the period.

How do you reconcile these contradictory statements?

Workch:
Who takes the opinion of a nairaland Christian fundamentalist seriously on issues regarding science?

One that cannot even explain basic principles of radio metric dating for that matter

Lols