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budaatum:
Otem is not asking you to believe what he's writing, and buda would ask you to use your brain instead of believing in figments of the imagination created by your fellow humans, but I guess healing believers like you is just about impossible, so you keep believing whatever it is that you choose to believe.

It's a simple matter, and the guy has even said so (the highlighted) several times in his book and threads, but some people are incurably foolish.

Fools are better ignored, left alone to wallow in their folly.

KnownUnknown:
Go ahead BudaOtem, you can prove the nonsense written by your disciple or you can summon Domino Reverad.

If you know I simply press "Report" to delete silly posts like this without reading them, you'll stop making a fool of yourself by quoting me.

budaatum:
I was about to ask if you've read any of Otem's writings since your post was used to suggest freethinking Otem supports juju.

The guy posts foolishly like a person suffering from a leaky brain.

KnownUnknown:
No one?!! Even Otematum?!!

Otem himself may answer you.

Since you quoted my post, it's apposite for me to give you a response.

Judging by his writings, Otem doesn't believe in the supernatural or juju. He says all things on earth, which is a physical realm, are done physically and psychologically (psychophysically), not spiritually.

But he says there are several other realms in existence where entities do things psychospiritually (psychologically and spiritually).

According to him, two types of realms are in existence: physical realms (Earth, our Universe generally, and other outer universes) and spiritual realms (inner worlds, inner universes, hells, heavens, and various afterlives made by gods and goddesses worshipped in religions by interacting with the waves in the realms).

In other words, no spiritual or supernatural feats or juju exists on Earth.

What people call supernatural are simply natural or physical phenomena that defy their understanding, so they see it as juju. It's simply due to their limited knowledge and perception.

Advances in science are demystifying many phenomena that were hitherto seen as spiritual or supernatural as natural thibgs.

According to Otem, apart from the physical realms like Earth, there are several other realms in existence, which some people accidentally or deliberately enter when their consciousness has been has been tuned through their heartbeat to match the frequency of the realm (altered state of consciousness).

The notion of multiple realms in existence is related to the Everett's many world interpretation of Quantum Physics, alternative universe or reality, parallel worlds, or multiverse.

You need to do less of posting foolishly and ignorantly and do more of thinking and reading.

Buliwyf:
Well their excuse might be that it's too far and they can't go to America. At least now we have one here in Nigeria we can nail them with the moment they start making stupid claims again.

That's true. But there are also people that believe in juju, voodoo or the supernatural in America.

melodyogonna:
That it seems unnecessary to you does not mean it's not necessary. I took time to read the book and the thread. At least I did for sometime, I lost interest quickly though, after reading more than 600 pages (I try small sha ). While it doesn't necessarily promote any god, it introduces one who is supposedly higher than the ones we know already, and the message repeatedly try to cast them as fake, malicious, and evil (hard to argue against sha, especially the ones Christians and Muslims worship). I don't know what you think, or if you've thought about it but this thread has created a new god and actively promotes it (albeit indirectly) as the almighty, just like every other religion.

I have thought about what you said.

But I don't have any reason to believe the OP is promoting any God or god.

What he's simply doing is the same thing philosophers like Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galileo, Hypatia, Bacon, and the likes had done in the past in Europe to lay the foundation of philosophy and science in the continent.

(Though almost all these great thinkers paid with their lives for speaking the truth about religion.)

The only difference is that Otem uses the Internet to spread his own teachings and wants to be unknown, unlike those figures.

He promotes use of the scientific methods and urges people to shun religion, superstition, and dogma.

He wants to connect Nigerians and Africans back to their roots (the ancient pagan gods but not to worship them).

According to him, his grandfather had been sent by Atum and other African pagan gods to the Earth in the Homo Erectus era, which lasted for about 2 million years, for the same mission, but the philosopher was later killed by the Christians.

His grandfather then completed his mission in the old world and brought about an end to Christianity and Islam and connected Africans back to their roots.

It's very possible that if many of the claims of Otem turn out to be true, some humans with a low thinking faculty will start worshiping him as God in the future instead of using their brain, even though he has discouraged people from worshipping any god or God.

To prevent this, he says he wants to remain unknown till he completes his book.

To the best of my knowledge, Otem doesn't seek to create a new religion or cult, but then people can form a religion around anything, even things as simple as a stone.

melodyogonna:
But to reply to you, I have just edited my post to include the post I intended to quote.
First I know if Egyptians worshipped any god called Atum, but even if they did I don't exactly care. The god I'm referring to here is the one Otem calls Reverad, the creator of the universe. But how do you know that exists? You don't.

About a month ago I was researching whether anyone considered as the Messiah existed in Jerusalem. On a documentary video I was watching, a letter was supposedly discovered, some communication between emperor Nero and some high ranking Roman officer, I no remember the name or rank; he was filling the emperor in on how their governor in Jerusalem (Pilate) executed what can only be Jesus, at least it fit the Jesus on the bible but from a Roman perspective. Imagine my surprise when I randomly opened a page on this thread only to read about how Jesus was a fictional character created by Philo (who was real somebody tho, I looked it up). Wait, make I find the video. And before you go on some rant, you have to make sure you rant on the right thing: I'm not Christian, nor religious, I abandoned Christianity when Billyionare was still posting here.

Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRfFLjWLybA

When it comes to whether God exists or not, I'm agnostic.

But Otem says he knows God or the Source or the First Cause and calls it Domino Reverad or Angali Mirosh (AM), a Seriot term meaning Creator of the gods or simply God.

Seriot is the language introduced by the OP, which he claims to be an ancient language spoken by the gods and goddesses and died long, long ago when these higher beings left this planet to explore other parts of the universe.

While I don't know or believe in God, I find the OP's conception of God very deep and very reasonable. If God exists, I think his explanation of it looks closer to the truth or is the truth, especially since this God, according to him, is not a person, but a great source of energy that has no particular form or religion.

As regards the existence of Jesus, he's nothing but a fictitious character invented by the Rome.

Everything about Jesus Christ is controversial, showing he's not a real person.

I don't need to watch any video to know that fact. The so-called video has a Roman connection, the same people that invented the character.

Such a video can't contain anything like truth. It's like saying you found a video related to a past Saudi ruler to prove Allah is the one true God.

If a person as great as Jesus really existed, his history would have been clearly documented by contemporary historians of his time.

But you can't find such.

According to the OP, the character of Jesus was invented using the history of a black man from ancient Africa, a homo erectus (a giant) called Faulkin or Yeshua or Ieusus Krista, who was born to a goddess, called Gaia or Earthus or Mother Earth from a place around Kenya, Ethiopia, and Tanzania — the origin of humanity (the consensus/dominant fact in archeology and paleontology).

That looks like the truth or closer to the truth, especially considering the fact that tons of fossils have been discovered by archeologists in that place, showing that the region in Africa is the cradle of humankind.

Buliwyf:
Has anyone taken up the challenge yet Either on Twitter or here? Or they are still making excuses?

I am really interested in this challenge.

Has anyone been able to win the more popular challenge on Wikipedia that has been there for years, offering a greater reward?

I'm sure we both know the answer: no one.

https://www.nairaland.com/3780438/eta-ntagba#56218120

To all the naysayers: tell me how a mere mortal can write something so great as this or reveal a new language with fascinating semantics and lexicons.

melodyogonna:
This is the post I wanted to quote

It doesn't matter. If you had taken your time to read the thread or the book, the question would have been unnecessary.

melodyogonna:
This misunderstanding is probably because I quoted the wrong post. And I did not ask you sha

Okay.

melodyogonna:
An interesting question. If Saul and Philo created a god by writing about it so well it seemed real, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Plying on the prejudice people have towards religion to establish another god?

There's nothing interesting or intelligent about this question.

If you had actually gone through the thread, you'll see there's little sense in the highlighted.

How is the OP establishing another god? Is it Atum, who was already worshipped long ago by ancient Egyptians, that he just wants to establish now as if he's a new god?

Or is it Otem, a freethinker who says that each human is a god or goddess and that each person should be his/her own god and shouldn't worship any god?

Which god did Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Francis Bacon, Hypatia, and the likes establish with their writings?

All these are philosophers that toed the same path of brain-using as Otem, who I even rate much higher than all of them because his sources (Atum and co) taught and inspired many of the philosophers above.

The OP will address your question anyway if he wants, even though your answer lies in this thread.

OtemAtum, please answer my question above.

Then, did you deliberately prefer no to provide the answer that the guy on the other thread seeks, even though your book already explains the concept in detail?

Capaldi:
Interesting read on how the Moon landing was faked.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/jul/10/one-giant-lie-why-so-many-people-still-think-the-moon-landings-were-faked

Lols. Also, there are still people that believe in the flat-earth theory in this day and age.

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YouAreUseless:
Exactly, always running behind

But which kind crazy moniker be this

InvestorO:
Vvd must be playing golf

VVD is an overhyped traffic warden. He's no doubt a good defender, but not great as his fans say.

Havertz10:
Marko Marin won how many champions league for Chelsea?

Havertz is already a Chelsea legend, his name will live forever in record books

His performance and goal engrained in the memories of all Chelsea fans

But I will happily accept your L reservation

You obviously don't the meaning of the word, legend. To achieve a legendary status in club football, a player needs talent, consistency, and longevity.

Those three factors are crucial, and Havertz hasn't met any of them yet.

Dtruthspeaker:
[s]Herein lies the difference between us and you in that you do not love nor care for your lives and living.

Therefore you do not care to know what is going on in this world, what is happening and what shall happen, all these being harm full to you.

We Christ Followers and Lovers of God, do not want ANY HARM that can and will fall on us at all and at any time.

Therefore you waste your life and live recklessly, as is in your hand.

So whilst you exercise your right to destroy yourself, we choose to exercise our right to live on and live well.



This is simply because we have once seen you love yourself and protect yourself from harm in that when you were warned that "kidnappers dey road for front". And, we saw you stop and TURN ANOTHER WAY, thanking God for the Goodness of fore warning.

"Fly wey no listen to advice go follow dead body enter grave".

But surely it is your right to go and say hello to the kidnappers.



It is seen that Every House has a Dustbin for all non good things or things which were good before but have gone bac Thus, hell is the dustbin for all evil things.

Nothing absolutely wrong with it for you yourself have a dustbin and have put all your non-good-things and rubbishes in it, so therefore, on your level and for your level, you are senseless![/s]

You must be delusional to think I'd waste my precious time reading this nonsense of a post.

Dtruthspeaker:
The word is "responsibility".

You are right that no one is coming to save us BECAUSE THE SAVING HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE!

Thus what we are waiting for is the Confirmation and Approval of The Court that we are indeed saved and not responsible for being guilty.

Stop thinking like a toddler. A fictitious character already saved you from what in particular?

Himself?

You said the saving has already been done, yet charlatans like you admonish people online and offline daily to give their life to Jesus Christ and be saved from eternal damnation in hell.

The same hell created by the satanic god you worship. Can you see how senseless your post is and the whole Christian doctrine?

It all sounds childish.

Amoto94:
He can play as a DM too with a good pass on him and pace.

Yea

BlueMann:
Apparently we tried to sign Marquinhos this summer, and we may well go for him again in January.

TT and Silva really want the deal done.

Marquinhos is 27 years old btw.

I would like the Brazilian defender to join Chelsea in January. He can be a good replacement for Silva.

Ibime:
Welcome back A001

Thanks, bro.

Trevor012:
You will never see animal right activist talk about the 100million animals killed yearly by the U.S for medicinal research alone but only when it comes to Poultry and animal games they start talking about animal Rights. Hypocritical fools

While I'm not an animal rights activist, this is a highly fallacious post.

Many ethicists have berated the use of animals for research purposes.

Numerous papers have been written discussing the problem, with the authors providing alternatives to the use of animals for research.

Here's a good example of such studies: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1319016413001096

The alternatives recommended include the use of computer models (simulations), the use of invertebrates, and others.

Besides, I think with more scientific understanding of consciousness and death, it might be possible to transfer consciousness from one organism to the other in the future.

It's also within the realm of possibility scientifically to bring back a dead organism or animal back to life.

In cryonics, the field which deals with deep-freezing dead people, over 1000 corpses have been kept in cryogenic facilities in various places with the hope that breakthroughs in the science of consciousness in the future will help bring back these people to life.

https://www.cnet.com/pictures/frozen-in-time-inside-alcor-life-extension-the-facility-preserving-the-dead-through-cryonics/

https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/591979/cryonics/

Already, different theories have been postulated to model consciousness scientifically, with the studies involving collaboration of physicists with neuroscientists and brain surgeons.

Thus, some scientists are working to find better alternatives to the use of animals for experimentation.

But currently, researchers have to kill animals for testing as a necessary evil.

PastorAIO:
A001, dear sir, I see that you have attempted to send me an email. For some weird reason I'm unable to receive emails sent to me from Nairaland. I'm not being rude or ignoring you.

Regards

I have resolved the issue. Thanks, sir.

Amoto94:
For the one who claimed to be the son of an Imam to not know that the angle of moon god has been refuted in the Qur'an but your profound illiteracy in the religion you claimed to have professed is not surprising to me. Read, "And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him."
You're not a freethinker because you really on the works of people who have transversed upon the path you're treading presently, you're a slave to your desires and whatever supports that.

Lols. You're mentioning the Qur'an when discussing with me as if the book has any value or use to me.

You clearly don't understand what freethinking is all about if you think I have to invent my own ideas to be regarded a freethinker.

I don't rely on anyone's ideas. My approach to any ideas or claims is simple: the author or proponent of any notion or claim has to provide evidence to back their claim for me to take it as true.

Then, no freethinker or philosopher relies solely on their own ideas. Highly accomplished freethinkers develop the ideas of other great people further and add their own ideas to create something new.

That's why the greatest physicists and mathematicians of this world stand on the shoulders of giants to develop their own theories and theorems.

Achieving such laudable feats takes time and dedication.

hupernikao:
Does the book also assumed that all religion take coincidence as miracles? Does the book make silly assumptions as seen in the OP?

Like I said focus on the OP not a book that doesn't solve the OP.

The answers to your questions have already been provided in the book.

If interested, get it and educate yourself.

But if reading is a problem for you, then I can't help you.

Amoto94:
You know little to nothing yet you assume yourself to be the epitome of scholarship it's grand delusion on your own part. I will continue to cyber-flog until you regain mental emancipation, because you're a slave to the deluded fictional writer on NL and worship white people even if you claim otherwise that doesn't mean others are like you.

Lols, you're funny. Calling me names is like pouring water into a basket.

I don't know where I claimed to be an epitome of anything. I see your imagination is working overtime.

With all your so-called education, you don't know the meaning of the word, slavery. That's why I said the other day that people like you are only schooled, not educated.

Otem, your nemesis, is one of the authors I consider their works seminal, but I don't agree 100% with the claims of any author and don't follow any philosophy blindly.

Soon, you'll slam your head on the floor to worship the local imported moongod of Arabia, Allah, being his slave.

Yet, I, being a freethinker, worship no one and don't believe in any god. Apart from meditation, which I do almost every day, the bulk of my time is devoted to my work and the research in my field.

No time to waste on any useless god.

hupernikao:
How does this applies to the current discuss? Are we discussing Otem or Atum here? Is this how you have been learning? To go and be searching for books because someone boasted about it? Bro?


Please try read the OP again and stay on the point, you have allowed the deliberate deviation of the post writer to carry you away from the focus of discussion here.

Please do read the OP and let your comment stay on course.

The book is very much related to the OP.

This is because the author did a detailed analysis of the concept of coincidence in the book.

Coincidence is the central idea of the post, and in the literature, he gave what can be called a scientific model explaining how prayers (wished) are sometimes answered through the power of coincidence, a force of nature.

I find the model, which is based on the concept of interference (constructive and destructive interference) in Physics, fascinating.

The work is simply a masterpiece.

Amoto94:
When I use harsh words against you most onlookers will think I'm doing so unnecessarily but most times you write like a donkey who has gathered books but didn't benefit from them in any way. For someone who claimed to be the son of an Imam he didn't know that orthodox Muslims consider tesbih/rosary as an innovation in the religion and the legislated means of counting is that which is done with the fingers. And the religion which you attribute to Arabs is not that, Arabs were pagans just like Ifa worshippers and at a time there were more than 300 idols worshiped. There are several verses indicating that Arabs were pagans and rejected the message of Islam but the donkey that you are makes you to equate Muslims with Ifa worshippers instead of you to equate them with the pagan Arabs.

One million vitriolic words can't move a strand of hair on my skin.

When you're knowledgeable enough by researching the histories of your religion and your god, Allah, you'll realize there's little sense in all your posts about religion, when many of the concepts in Islam have their roots in paganism.

But the major issue you've is that you know very little about animistic religions predating Islam, just like you're very ignorant about the history of your native land.

Well, you see yourself as an Arab anyway like most African Muslims, but an Arab will consider it an insult to be called a Nigerian.

Inferiority complex is deeply ingrained in the psyche of African slaves that don't know their history and the history of the continent.

Amoto94:
“I am fully against racism and every type of discrimination and I just prefer to put my finger to the badge where it says No To Racism. I prefer to do it this way and to say very clearly that I am against racism."

- Alonso on why he doesn't take the knee

It's not just enough for the whites to campaign verbally against racism.

They're not doing enough to repair the great damages they did to Africa, which is the origin or cradle of humanity.

Many Western countries, especially the Great Britain, France, the Netherlands, Portugal need to toe the path of Germany and repatriate all stolen funds, bronzes, and artifacts plundered from Africa.

These stolen items have yielded billions of dollars for the Western countries and are highly valuable, but they managed to convince our forefathers that the artifacts and bronzes are evil and demonic.

Interestingly, modern-day Africans still regard these valuable historical items as demonic and evil.

This is because they've been brainwashed by the whites and Arabs to despise their culture, yet the Africans would sing the praises of Muhammad, fictitious Jesus, Moses, Solomon, who Africans didn't descend from and aren't related to.

It's folly to revere the prophets of the Bible and Qur'an and demonize Ogun, Ifa, Amadioha, and the local deities in your area, who were great people that existed in the past and deified for their great feats or heroic acts.

It's also folly to regard tasbih and rosaries with respect, but demonize cowries and beads that traditionalists use to meditate and connect with their ancestors, just like the white Christians and the Arab Muslims use the rosaries to meditate in prayers and connect with Allah and Jehovah, their ancestors.