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Quantum Mechanics, Plato’s Cave and the Blind Piranha

Can we ever really know the world?

My quantum experiment, which has consumed me for more than a year now, has dredged up a creepy, long-buried memory.

It dates back to the late 1970s, when I was a housepainter living in Denver. One day I found myself in a grungy saloon on Denver’s dusty eastern outskirts.

Behind the bar was an aquarium with a single, nasty-looking fish hovering in it. A silver, saucer-sized, snaggle-toothed, milky-eyed, blind piranha.

Now and then, the bartender netted a few minnows from a fishbowl and dropped them into the piranha’s cubicle.

The piranha froze for an instant, then darted this way and that, jaws snapping, as the minnows fled.

The piranha kept bumping, with audible thuds, into the glass walls of its prison. That explained the protuberance on its snout, which resembled a tiny battering ram.

Sooner or later the piranha gobbled all the hapless minnows, whereupon it returned to its listless, suspended state.

What does this poor creature have to do with quantum mechanics? Here’s what. Our modern scientific worldview and much of our technology—including the laptop on which I’m writing these words—is based on quantum principles.

And yet a century after its invention, physicists and philosophers cannot agree on what quantum mechanics means.

The theory raises deep and, I’m guessing, unanswerable questions about matter, mind and “reality,” whatever that is.

More than a half century ago, Richard Feynman advised us to accept that nature makes no sense. “Do not keep saying to yourself … ‘But how can [nature] be like that?’” Feynman warns in The Character of Physical Law, “because you will get ‘down the drain,’ into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped.

Nobody knows how it can be like that.” Most physicists have followed Feynman’s advice. Ignoring the oddness of quantum mechanics, they simply apply it to accomplish various tasks, such as predicting new particles or building more powerful computers.

Another deep-thinking physicist, John Bell, deplored this situation. In his classic 1987 work Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics, Bell chides physicists who apply quantum mechanics while blithely disregarding its “fundamental obscurity”; he calls them “sleepwalkers.”

But Bell acknowledges that efforts to “interpret” quantum mechanics so that it makes sense have failed. He likens interpretations such as the many-world hypothesis and pilot-wave theory to “literary fiction.”

Today, there are more interpretations than ever, but they deepen rather than dispel the mystery at the heart of things. The more I dwell on puzzles such as superposition, entanglement and the measurement problem, the more I identify with the piranha.

I’m blindly thrashing about for insights, epiphanies, revelations. Every now and then I think I’ve grasped some slippery truth, but my satisfaction is always fleeting. Sooner or later, I end up crashing into an invisible barrier. I don’t really know where I am or what’s going on. I’m in the dark.

The main difference between me and piranha is that it is inside the aquarium, and I’m on the outside, looking in. I can take solace from the fact that my world is much bigger than the piranha’s, and that I know many things that the fish cannot.

But it’s all too easy to imagine some enlightened, superintelligent being standing outside our world, looking at us with the same pity and smug superiority that we feel toward the piranha.

Plato presents himself as this enlightened being in his famous parable of the cave, which I make my freshman humanities classes read every semester.

The parable describes people confined to a cave for their entire lives. They are prisoners, but they don’t know they are prisoners.

An evil trickster behind them has built a fire, by means of which he projects shadows of everything from aardvarks to zebras onto the cave wall in front of the prisoners. The cave dwellers mistake these shadows for reality. Only by escaping the cave can the prisoners discover the brilliant, sunlit reality beyond it.

We are the benighted prisoners in the cave, and Plato, the enlightened philosopher, is trying to drag us into the light.

But isn’t it possible, even probable, that Plato and other self-appointed saviors, who say they’ve seen the light and want us to see it too, are charlatans? Or loons?

Given our profound capacity for self-deception, isn’t it likely that when you think you’ve left the cave, you’ve actually just swapped one set of illusions for another? These are the questions with which I torment my students. Here are some of their responses:

Clearly, some people are ignorant and deluded, like flat-earthers, and others are well-informed. So yes, we can and do escape the cave of ignorance by going to college and studying physics, chemistry, history, philosophy and so on.

We can reduce our ignorance still further with the help of reliable news sources, such as the New York Times and Fox News, and traveling to other countries to learn how other people see the world.

Yes, we can escape the cave by studying physics and other fields, but we only end up in another cave, with equations projected on the walls instead of silhouettes of aardvarks and so on.

The new cave may be more interesting, comfortable and better-illuminated than the cave we were in before, but it’s still a cave. Only a few rare souls experience ultimate reality, like Buddha, Jesus and Einstein.

Plato wasn’t really talking about worldly knowledge, he was talking about spiritual knowledge, or enlightenment.

So yes, we can leave the cave and see the light of truth, but only by accepting the teachings of great sages such as Buddha, Moses, Jesus or Muhammad, and perhaps by practicing spiritual disciplines such as prayer and meditation.

With the help of philosophy, art, meditation and psychedelics, we can become more aware that we are in a cave, in a state of illusion; we can know, sort of, what we don’t know.

But no mere human ever escapes the cave, not even the greatest sages and scientists.

Not even Plato, Stephen Hawking or L. Ron Hubbard. Only God, if there is a God, can perceive absolute truth. And maybe not even God.

Who cares if we’re in a cave or not? If we’re having fun, that’s all that matters. (Although only a few of my students have the courage to voice this option, I suspect it’s what many of them think, especially the business majors.)

To be honest, the fourth option—that not even God can escape the cave, plus the references to psychedelics, Stephen Hawking and L. Ron Hubbard—is mine.

But my students come up with the other options on their own, with minimal prodding from me. By the time we’re done with this exercise, I start feeling guilty about rubbing the young, innocent faces of the non–business majors in the world’s inscrutability.

To make them feel a little better, I bring up another possibility that usually doesn’t occur to them:

If we realize we’re in the cave, isn’t that the same, sort of, as escaping from it? Actually, if “ultimate reality” is inaccessible to us, isn’t that the same, sort of, as saying that it doesn’t exist? And hence that the cave, the world in which we live each and every day, is the one and only reality?

And hence that the business majors are right, and we should just chill out and enjoy ourselves?

Maybe. On good days, I look out the window of my apartment at the shining Hudson River, crisscrossed by boats, and at the Manhattan skyline, a symbol of humanity’s ever-growing knowledge of and power over nature, and I think, Yes, this is reality, there is nothing else.

But then I remember the quantum mist at the core of reality, which not even the smartest sages can penetrate, and to which most of us are oblivious.

And I remember the piranha, bumping over and over again into the walls of its world, blind to its own blindness.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/quantum-mechanics-platos-cave-and-the-blind-piranha/

macjireh:
to me I think D's tin they doing to b haram is d same tin done in d western world,, where they can use a highly skilled and trained criminal to hunt oda criminals...u see dem recruiting a bank fraudster and using him to block oda fraudsters...it could be a scheme to stem d tide of d growth of b haram...d ones granted clemency know d secrets of d game and can be used to hunt down oda upcoming b haram fighters...daz wat I'm thinking tho

If the BH members are really repentant as they claim, it's a good strategy — at least in the short term.

But I think they're only pretending. And for the mere fact that they still remain in Islam, they can never really be deradicalized.

The core issues of Sharia are still there; they're the root cause of the BH menace.

I think the whole sulhu thing is a charade. But I hope I'm wrong.

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This article is quite well-researched. The Buhari's Sulhu program, where "repentant" Boko Haram members are granted clemency (not amnesty as the government claims), get as e be.

The whole thing looks ominous.

Boko Haram maimed thousands of lives in the North and wrecked the lives of millions in the region, especially women and girls.

Perusing the article, one gets a glimpse of the horrid campaigns, which Muhammad and the caliphs that ruled the Islamic world after his demise, undertook against the indigenous people in Asia and Africa.

Today, the Arab World consists of 22 countries, including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Quwait, Oman, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, and others.

Yet, the Arab World started from Saudi Arabia, and one man orchestrated the whole thing: Muhammad.

Just look at what Boko Haram and ISWAP are doing today and multiply the atrocities by 100. That would give you a picture of how Muhammad and his followers could establish the Arab World, with over 400 million Muslims today.

Yet, the Muslims (strong believers among them) are targeting the whole world, to be ruled with iron fist — Sharia.

Today, most people won't know that Iran, Turkey, Algeria, and indeed most of the 22 countries in the Arab League were not originally Arabs and Muslims.

Most won't know that the indigenous people of northern Africa were mainly Berbers, not Arabs as we have it today.

All these people became "arabized" and islamized mainly through wars, invasion, coercion, and intimidation by Muhammad and the series of caliphs that followed him.

I hope Nigeria won't become an Arab country or join the Arab League in the future.

People seriously need to consider these things when electing leaders in 2023. I hope the Fulani oligarchy won't spell doom for Nigeria in the near future.

With the Taliban's recent victory in Afghanistan, calls for restructuring need to be taken more seriously.

innotutorial:
Man! Cmon! What you saying? The bible was meant to be use to preach Jesus to the whole world. Do not think because the slave masters use the bible to enslave Many Africans, then that mean the bible and Jesus is false. The slave masters were mere just puppet who did not even understand the significance of the bible. Like I said earlier, all this was because of the Roman Catholics how they intertwined their traditions into the bible at the council of Nicea. You can read about it.

So please brother do nor br deceive! Even me I am from Edo state. But I didn't allow the bondage which my forefathers were placed into, bond me. So please! Jesus christ can save you. Read about the history of The early church fathers.

I still can't see the relevance of the Bible or the fictitious Jesus as a Yoruba man.

innotutorial:
Yes. So you will take the Yoruba story of the Olohun who is just based on facts and gnostic writtings more than the story of Jesus who were actually written by Eye witnesses?

Maybe you should start by telling me the significance of Jesus Christ to me as a Yoruba person.

Where in the Bible can you find chapters or verses talking about Yorubas? Nowhere.

innotutorial:
The problem with you is ignorance. You want to believe in your so claim Ancestors who you know nothing about which men also wrote. In that case all you know about your history which were written by men who were not even there is false! So don't even bring that claim. I literary said he meet the Jews who wanted to started war with the Romans and told them to stop and remember what happened to Christ whom they killed because he literary thought they could not overpower the Romans.

This already was affirm by the Jews who were literary eye witness whom he spoke with and remember during that time Christ already died. So the Apostles were starting to spread the death of Christ. You have not given yet 1 historical reference that proof Jesus didn't exist. You just keep babbling from places to places with no Justifications. If you still don't understand then it is crystal clear you hate truth and have drowned in the ocean of Ignorance and deception. Please proof to me that Jesus didn't died historically with history not babbling from places to places to suit your claims.

Every culture has their ancestors that lived in the ancient past. Today's humans did just pop out from thin air.

The languages you know were taught to the forefathers by those ancestors. In the past world, people that first did something great that no one had done in the past were deified.

But I don't believe in any ancestor. I believe in myself and have utmost confidence in what I can see.

Looking at the stories about Olohun (for instance) taught to Yorubas from childhood, it's clear no one has 100% correct historical facts about him, but many still believe and worship him any way.

Based on various accounts, I posit he existed in the ancient past.

However, I don't worship or pray to any god. And his existence or inexistence isn't something to think too much about.

You can see I don't consider any ancestor, including Olohun, to be the focal point of life, unlike the way you see the fictitious character, Jesus.

musicwriter:
I haven't checked that email for a while, I think I told you or someone else why. But, yes, you can send it there. I'll see it when next I check.

Thank you.

Okay.

innotutorial:
It still shows a clear lack of understanding from you. Josephus was born in 37AD 7 years after the death of Christ. He was not even a Christian. He was a Jewish/Roman Historians whose job was just to write about histories. During that time before the Jewish war, he was the one who even confronted the Jews not to revolt against the ROMANS For they were too small compare to them. He already knew how the Jews crucified Jesus from the Jews who were eye witness themselves. So you you giving other example like writing about Superman clearly show a lack of understanding from you. Look and listen! No matter how they tries to hide the truth from you, the truth will always prevailed. So don not be deceive my friend. Jesus was real and he died for me sin and your sin. Don't be placed under the bondage of the forefathers. aThe

I suggest you check the meaning of contemporaries in a dictionary.

You said seven years after Jesus' death, meaning he wasn't his contemporary.

That means everything he wrote about Jesus is hearsay.

This shows there is no evidence that Jesus Christ existed or was a real person.

musicwriter:
Ok. Indeed, any thoughtful person would arrive at the same conclusion because that's the truth.

I'll appreciate if you can share a link to Otem's book.

He hasn't uploaded it on any site yet. He sent it via email in 2018.

Let me forward it to your email, "kemeticphilosophy***". Is that okay?

musicwriter:
Ok, it's alright. Though I haven't read the said material but if Otem described it as "mental laziness" it would be closer to the point but that's more like how a European would say it. He must understand that it doesn't mean the same thing as being stupid. It's more like being non-aggressive, docile, non-daring, calm, placidity. That's the right way to describe it. I already tried to deal with that topic in the article: why Europeans were able to conquer Africa and the rest of the world. For details, see https://www.africason.com/2017/09/why-europeans-were-able-to-conquer.html

The very fact that humanity moved out of Africa and spread to the rest of the world, means that those who moved to Asia, Europe, Americas etc have to be risk takers and more daring, while those of us who remained back home were not daring enough to join others. So, yes, if Otem speculated that those people who stayed back home here would create a population that would be docile, non-aggressive, calm, non-daring, that would be right. As I said I already independently arrived at that conclusion. But again, it doesn't mean "mental laziness." Mental laziness is how a European would condescendingly say the same thing in order to cast black people in bad light.

Yes, admitedly, we're naturally non-daring, calm, non-aggressive. But it also means peaceful people unwilling to go to war at the slightest provocation. And that's why we didn't evolve to build weapons of war. That's the very reason we were enslaved and colonized. The strength was there to fight off foreign invaders but our ancestors didn't just have the weapons.

But intellectual slavery is artificial. It's a by-product of our contact with Europeans. Example; in 1962, a conference was held in Makerere in Uganda to chose whether books should be written in our native languages or the language of the slave masters, but educated Africans chose the language of the slave masters as the language of literature at the detriment of our own languages, and therefore, inadvertently also destroyed literature in our native languages. Sunday Igboho would not make that mistake because the white man has not conquered his African consciousness by any means. That's what I am talking about.

He never meant that Africans are innately stupid. The "mental laziness" is more of a learned behavior.

I'm surprised you've not read his book because when I read your posts and book in 2018 and read his as well, I noticed many points you both made that were exactly the same or related.

I was even thinking you both are the same person.

This post is insightful. Kudos.

innotutorial:
From what you said so far it shows a clear lack of understanding from you and it shows you have not done your homework. Josephus the Jewish writer wrote about Jesus and the the Jewish war in the first century. Tacitus a Roman Orator and historian wrote about Jesus and the Christians. Pliny the Younger a Roman Author wrote about him. Polycarp one of the early church fathers wrote about Christ. Lucian wrote The Babylonia Talmud from the Jewish people outside Christianity spoke about Jesus. Lucian a Greek writer wrote about Christians and christ.

People also write about superman, spiderman, does that make those characters real?

None of those people above were Jesus' contemporaries. All of them were born many years after the supposed death of Jesus after Christianity had already been founded.

I purposely highlighted contemporaries in the comment you quoted because they, like Jesus, don't exist.

Clearly, everything about Jesus is controversial and shady.

innotutorial:
Justify your sayings. You can't just say Jesus was nor real without proving it. Give me preferences in the 1st Century that said he was not real. The problem with you guys is,
you think the world started 30 years ago. I will be waiting if you can prove to me that Jesus was nor real.

I arrived at the conclusion that Jesus is fictitious by simply applying deductive reasoning or common sense.

If there was a man that could feed 5000 people with a loaf of bread, turned water to wine, and did several other such miraculous feats, many contemporary historians of his time would have written much about him.

But you can't find Jesus Christ's history in any history book written by his contemporaries.

Check all the great men and women in history; their background and achievements would be narrated in detail by their contemporaries.

But Jesus, being just an idea, a Roman invention, doesn't have his history documented in any way by his contemporaries, except in the Bible, which was even compiled many, many years after his supposed death.

The accounts in the Bible, with thousands of errors and contradictions, are not even first-hand.

Everything about Jesus Christ is controversial, showing the people that created the idea (Jesus) made lots of errors.

As regards the age of the Earth, it's over 4.5 billion years old, and humanity (starting from Africa) had once existed around 2 million years ago as Homo Erectus, Homo Denisova, Homo Neanderthal, and are currently existing as Homo Sapiens, starting from about 280,000–300,000 years ago.

Christianity was only created about 3000 years ago by copying the concepts of much older religions — pagan religions (animism).

Just like Muhammad copied Christianity and Judaism (the Bible) to create Islam.

As you can see, all religions are man-made.

innotutorial:
Look! The gode of the ancestors were Satan in disguise. That was why God himself had to come down to earth to die for our sins. Do not be deceived. If you say be free thinking and accept one culture and religion, meaning you just made Satan happy; because he knows he can continue to keep putting people in bondage.

You're not making any sense at all. The god of your ancestors were Satan in disguise?

How so? In history, how many Yorubas did you hear that Olohun, the ancestor of the Yorubas, kill compared with Jehovah, your "so-called" loving god who has killed and maimed millions of lives, including women and children?

How many people did Esu, who isn't even the same entity as Satan, kill compare to your vindictive, blood-thirsty god Yahweh?

How many did Oghene, Chukwu, Osanoboa, Osun, Oya, Yemoja, and the likes kill compared to Yahweh?

All these ancestors of Nigerians (deified) were peace-loving, unlike Yahweh, the god of war, who was also extremely jealous.

You don't even know the meaning of Satan, which doesn't even exist in reality.

Satan is nothing but a Judeo-Christian invention, and looking at the various accounts of genocides, threats, and human rights abuses in the Bible, Yahweh even qualifies to take the title of Satan.

African traditional religions are relatively more peaceful and humanistic than Christianity and Islam.

innotutorial:
Our forefathers were ignorant of the truth and were kept in bondage. The slave maters who came to introduce christianity to them didn't introduce the true Christianity but Poluted Christianity which the Roman Catholic church created since the council of Nicea.

The real christianity can be traced back to the time of The disciples and Apostle Paul. Their teachings. So do not be deceived. Jesus Christ is the only True God who has gotten us out of bondage and has made us all to have a way to receive eternal life through believing and accepting the free gift.

Yes, our forefathers were ignorant of many things, and the same thing applies to the whites and other races as well.

Many of our forefathers were kept in chains physically through wars, slave-trading, and invasion. They were also enslaved mentally through the use of religion, the same religion you're here preaching about.

Reading your comments here, it's clear why mental slavery is even worse.

As for your dear Jesus Christ, he wasn't/isn't real. I don't need to waste time discussing a fictitious character.

musicwriter:
Thanks for sharing, although I was being rhetorical.

We're not dumb or lazy or evil. It's for the very fact that we're hard working that we were best suited as slaves in plantations across the Americas. Before they came to ferry Africans as slaves across the ocean, Europeans already tried to use native Americans and fellow Europeans to no avail. They were lazy and not strong enough to handle the task.

Neither are we naturally dumb. I don't even want to talk about the past and what we created before white people because the evidence is right there in European and American museums in their own eyes. The evidence today that we're smart is that those of us privileged to participate in white education in their own universities do extremely well in their own eyes. We've heard of many Africans taking first class position in foreign universities ahead of white people. In their own language!!

Our problem is intellectual slavery. Our unfortunate contact with Europeans reduced our ingenuity and intelligence. It's right there in the book on my signature. We're functioning with a foreign language, foreign education, foreign God. Those three sets the precedent for everything else in life. Therefore, they're not supposed to be given to a people by a foreigner. Once they've been given to us by foreigners, it means that we are condemned to forever live vicariously always depending on the success of those who gave them to us. We're always going to consider white people as better than us because they gave us the very framework to build what we want to build. In other words, we are locked down. The way to free ourselves is to free ourselves from their language, education, religion. Sorry, but that's the reality and it's universal to all cultures operating with alien language, education, religion. For details about this last paragraph, see black people are living an illusion https://www.africason.com/2021/08/black-people-are-locked-down-in.html

Yes, you're right. And I have read your book as well. It's a great book.

Otem was mainly referring to intellectual laziness, and he uses the phrase "mental laziness" instead.

The average African isn't lazy physically, but mentally. And it's true that certain parts of Africa had also been great in the past.

Both your book and Otem's are saying the same things, but in different ways, though his own literature is a book of history.

innotutorial:
The truth is Jesus christ the Son of God and who his God himself. He came down to earth in human form to die for me and your sins so that we can all have eternal life. This is what Satan hates and he always want to destroyed this. The reason his because he knows the more people accept Christ, the less populated his Kingdom. Satan has acted in disguise throughout history. Just Study history and with discernment you will know.

He even infiltrated through the Church to caused confusion. Just like during the time of Constantine and the Council of Nicea. How they form most doctrines of the Roman Catholics which is clearly contradicts the Bible.
Broad is the way that lead to death and narrow is the way that lead to life and there are few who find it. But the broad way that lead to death, there are many who find it.

Even if you want to be a slave of a god, whether it's the imported Yahweh, or the fictitious Jesus Christ, I feel it's still better to worship your ancestors.

That way, our native culture and language can be preserved and well appreciated.

But to be candid, the life of a worshipper of a god (i.e being a slave) is no life.

The ideal thing is to be a freethinker who appreciates one's culture and has deep respect for one's ancestors, but I understand that can be extremely hard for an average Nigerian.

I wonder why critical thinking is so hard to engage in for most people in this part of the world.

innotutorial:
My brother. We all love you. No hate here. We just want you to see the truth and let the truth set you free.

What's the truth?

1Sharon:
You havent circulated the religious section for long enough then, cos you're wrong!

Okay. Maybe it's because I recently followed you.

Well done.

1Sharon:
I don't think you've been on NL very long.

I have, at least since 2008.

I'm not religious. I'm just curious why you criticize Islam passionately unlike Christianity.

musicwriter:
And the only pictures Obasanjo deem fit to hang on his wall are those he took with white people?

No pictures with Nelson Mandela?

No pictures with Robert Mugabe?

No pictures with Kenneth Kaunda?

Why is it that no matter how highly we blacks achieve but our best accomplishment is always when we hobnob with white people? Sorry, brothers and sisters but I am getting to a point in my life where I want to conclude whether there's something naturally wrong with us as blacks or maybe something is divinely behind our predicament.

Good observation, bro.

OtemAtum has an interesting theory about the highlighted. He says eight early beings (who religious people call gods) first set foot on this planet from space, met a female early being on the planet (who religious people call goddess Gaia, created by the Big Bang), and created early humans (giants) on earth in their image, but much less smaller in stature and intelligence.

(Atum was one of those early beings and was a black giant.)

In the beginning (billions of years ago), there was no continent as the whole earth was united as one, then the higher beings fought various wars and had to dig the earth crust to create divisions that formed the continents.

(It's these divisions they made in the earth crust that have been causing earthquakes from the ancient time to date, not due to the anger of any god.)

According to him, while the other early beings invented different things for their use (such as creation of humans as slaves, animals, plants, microbes, creation of religions, etc.) in their continents, the early being, who is the ancestor of Africa, didn't join them.

He was extremely lazy, fearful, and didn't make any efforts to do research, gain knowledge, and civilize the continent like his counterparts in the other parts of the ancient world did.

According to Otem, that's the same attitude that most Africans inherited from the ancestor.

It seems the attitude of the ancestors of a people or race generally tends to get passed down to their descendants.

1Sharon:
Nah, maybe your Qur'an is the anomaly.

Why do you take special interest in criticizing Islam and Qur'an?

SisterFire:
...They are bunch of liars they arent gifted in delivering a derainged soul , not that they cannot because they are warned ... Ace Psychiatrists deliver derainged ones not some thieves in suit,

Trust me that u see isnt as pathetic as when I was shouting every nite of marine spirits , isnt easy ...

She is more powerful because her soul aspect ( super battery size is 510s while urs is 87s) is greater than urs , A rabbit can never cure a tigress' madness unless d rabbit is a special one

Why are you so sure the soul aspect exists?

HellVictorinho:
You accused me of being unable to comprehend Bla Bla Bla


You can deny like budaatum if you want


I don't care about certain things

Sorry, I didn't mean that as an insult. It's a general statement.

Hope things get better for you. Best wishes.

schurley:
Let me just chip in my little thought...religion can never end or die a natural death. A form of religion might decline or end, but another one will be formed by man in no time. Take for instance biblical instance were Moses went to Mount Sinai (not sure abt the name of this mountain) for few days, in the absence of Moses (which was the enforcer and mouth piece of Christianity) the Israelites had already build up a sculpture with their expensive jewelleries which they worshipped.

Back to the discourse, religion didn't created itself, man created all the religion in existence. Humans especially the halves not will always find solace in some sort of divine providence or supernatural power to turn their tides and avert their woes deem fit impossible/almost impossible.

That is why a philosopher referred to religion as an opium to masses. This quote equates religion to drug,and in this case where gbo(weed) isn't available, other materials like SK, skunk, Az, Codeine, synthetic are sought after. After all the end justify the means (which is to get high).

Yes, it's true that a religion doesn't really die.

Generally speaking, people say a religion or language has died when only a minority still practice or speak it, compared with the majority in previous times.

They don't necessarily mean outright death.

And when a religion dies, a new one is made to take its place.

HellVictorinho:
You are not different from those people who accuse and condemn others uselessly.



Who says my mind can't grasp what you think??



You have spoken in vain.



Same old stuff



The People of Accusations and Condemnations With No Reason


Who is your president


Is it budaatum-the one that also mentions your mother in vain

Okay. I don't know when or where I condemned or accused you.

Hope all is well with you?

HellVictorinho:
Nothing amazing in useless accusations and condemnations by OtemAtum just like that of terrorists and tyrants(terrorists that get power by chance) who kill simply because they have the capacity to kill anyone that doesn't think they are right.

Lols. Okay.

HellVictorinho:
That's for sets.

I'm talking logic.

Existence is the property of something to possess limits.
Existence itself has no limit because there's no limit to what has limits.

In other words,it is impossible for no thing without limits to exist anywhere.


Totality of existence means there's a limit to what has limits logically.


In other words,it means inexistence is possible alongside existence.

But that's impossible because A and not A can't be true at once.


Logic cancels out such nonsense.

All what you said is mainly due to your perception, which is subjective.

At the roots of everything in existence lie numbers, equations, functions, and fields (which can be scalars, vectors, or more generally tensors).

Matter is an illusion and doesn't exist. What we call matter is nothing but coalesced energy fields.

What exists is consciousness or energy, which takes different forms (humans, animals, plants, etc.) and can't be created nor destroyed.

In other words, we've always existed, and time is nothing but a mental construct. Time has no beginning nor end because it doesn't exist.

It's a persistent illusion, as Einstein said.

Your mind, just like the average person's and mine as well, can't quantify or grasp "totality of existence" or even the observable universe or infinity.

Our perception is quite limited.

You know there are many infinities and they all seem abstract to us.

The ancient Egyptians and ancient Greeks used to study various types of infinities.

HellVictorinho:
It doesn't matter if budaatum likes your posts.

OtemAtum is just another person.


Claiming understanding is not amazing to me.


Accusing me of not understanding Bla Bla Bla won't add to your life


So, never think anything including death will make me miss OtemAtum's existence.

I don't understand you. I think you mistook me for another person.

About what you said concerning OP, the guy is one hell of a genius.

A normal person can't produce that book without running mad. The depth of the book is astounding.

macjireh:
I know u said so...but ur knowledge of it makes u more Muslim than a novice

I'm an ex-Muslim and my dad was an imam.

Tempull:
The same applies in Christianity. The other day Pastor Adeboye was threatening non tithe payers with hellfire but my god is not a Christian nor is he a Muslim

You're right. It's a "religion" thing.