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kingxsamz:
Then you have to admit that your god makes errors and is imperfect, just like Seun too.
This one na own goal.

Lols.

It's all a hoax.

Thazard:
Taking alook at neymar and hazard's career overall,who do you think has been a better player?

Neymar is clearly the better player, but I like Hazard than he.

Astronomers seek evidence of tech built by aliens

An international team of scientists led by a prominent Harvard astronomer announced a new initiative Monday to look for evidence of technology built by extraterrestrial civilizations.

Called the Galileo Project, it envisages the creation of a global network of medium-sized telescopes, cameras and computers to investigate unidentified flying objects, and has so far been funded with $1.75 million from private donors.

Given recent research showing the prevalence of Earth-like planets throughout the galaxy, "We can no longer ignore the possibility that technological civilizations predated us," Professor Avi Loeb told reporters at a news conference.

"The impact of any discovery of extraterrestrial technology on science, our technology, and on our entire world view, would be enormous," he added in a statement.

The project includes researchers from Harvard, Princeton, Cambridge, Caltech and the University of Stockholm.

It was announced a month after the Pentagon released a report about unidentified aerial phenomena, which stated that their nature was unclear.

"What we see in our sky is not something that politicians or military personnel should interpret, because they were not trained as scientists, it's for the science community to figure out," said Loeb, adding that he hoped to increase the project's funding tenfold.

The Galileo Project was announced a month after the Pentagon released a report about unidentified aerial phenomena, which stated that their nature was unclear.

Given recent research showing the prevalence of Earth-like planets throughout the galaxy, "We can no longer ignore the possibility that technological civilizations predated us," Professor Avi Loeb told reporters at a news conference. Thanks once

It was announced a month after the Pentagon released a report about unidentified aerial phenomena, which stated that their nature was unclear.

Avi Loeb stoked controversy when he suggested an interstellar object that briefly visited our system in 2017 could have been an alien probe sailing on solar winds.

Apart from studying UFOs, the Galileo Project wants to investigate objects that visit our solar system from interstellar space, and searching for alien satellites that might be probing Earth.

Loeb refers to such research as a new branch of astronomy he calls "space archaeology," intended to complement the existing field of the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI), which mainly probes for alien radio signals.

These endeavors will require collaborations with existing and future astronomical surveys, including from the Vera C. Rubin Observatory in Chile that is due to go online in 2023 and is eagerly awaited by the scientific community.

The 59-year-old Israeli-American has published hundreds of pioneering papers and collaborated with the late Stephen Hawking, but created controversy when he suggested an interstellar object that briefly visited our system in 2017 could have been an alien probe sailing on solar winds.

He laid out his arguments in scientific papers and the book "Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth," which placed him at odds with many in the astronomy community.

The new project is accordingly named after Italian astronomer Galileo Galilei, who was punished when he provided key evidence for the Earth not being at the center of the universe.

The project's co-founder Frank Laukien, a visiting scholar at Harvard's chemistry and chemical biology department, declared himself the "resident skeptic."

But he said that, rather than dismissing the ideas outright, it was necessary to "agnostically record and interpret the data according to the scientific method."

https://phys.org/news/2021-07-astronomers-evidence-tech-built-aliens.html

Cc. OtemAtum

For the religious folks that claim to know absolute truths based on biblical and quranic teachings:

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Trevor012:
You are typing nonsense. Sit down

Lols

Trevor012:
Absolute nonsense post .

The first universities in the world was created by the Catholic church.

Most of the early scientist, mathematicians , philosophers etc where catholic monks, priests and even nuns.

Get th F...uck outta here with your nonsense

Lols, it's better you read good books on the history of natural philosophy and science before commenting on a subject you know nothing about.

Trevor012:
Contrary to popular belief, science and faith go well together. In fact, the more you learn about science (especially physics and astronomy), the more overwhelmed you are about the creation and God.

The more I study science, the more I believe in God" .... (Albert Einstein)

It's only children who just became Atheist yesterday who think they have discovered something new.

This post shows you know little about the history of science.

How could you say science and faith go well together when religious people, especially Christians and Muslims, killed thousands of early scientists and philosophers in different parts of Europe and Africa (especially Egypt)?

In the past, religious people saw scientists as possessed people, witches and wizards. (Sadly, Africa is still in this dark age.)

Then in Europe, every invention, not mentioned in the Bible and Qur'an, was seen as devilish.

The world would still be in complete darkness today if not for the ingenuity and courage of these philosophers, freethinkers, atheists that opposed dogmas and superstitious beliefs in religion.

Science and religion are opposites, and organized religion is a great obstacle to the development of science.

raumdeuter:
Science does not disprove the existence of God

https://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/

Insightful piece.

Interesting story.

CodeTemplar:
There is indeed no fixed boundary for poverty. Nobel Laurette Jesus said "the poor will always be with you" meaning there will always be poor people. Even if you credit every human with same amount for a fresh start some will quickly become poor again because of lifestyle.

Nobel Laurette Jesus? Lols. Do fictitious characters like Jesus now get awarded a Nobel prize?

Do you even know when Nobel prize started? Lols

https://www.nairaland.com/6668567/condemn-sheikh-bello-yabo-incitiment
Cc. Amoto94, et al.

donjazet:
What do you think is the difference between the two?

I suppose you mean the difference between athiesm and agnosticism. The former has to do with the rejection of belief in any god or deity, while the latter posits that God or Ultimate Reality is unknowable.

IMO, atheists, humanists, agnostics are all freethinkers.

Amoto94:
Havertz10, Donjazet, and Tjay this may interest you guys:
http://www.aboutatheism.net/articles/thplvig-ibn-taymiyyah-on-the-reasoning-of-the-atheist.cfm

Interesting discussion. But I'm not an atheist.

I'm an agnostic or freethinker.

The University of Ibadan (UI), University of Nigeria, Nsukka (UNN), and University of Ilorin (UNILORIN) have emerged as the best varsities in Nigeria based on the quality of scientists.

AD Scientific Index, a leading global ranking body based in Turkey, recently released the list of its 2021 world scientist and university rankings.

According to the list, UI ranked 19 in Africa and 1,350 in the world while UNN occupied the 25th spot in the continent and 1,522 globally.

UNILORIN was also ranked 41 in Africa and 1,941 in the world. The Federal University of Technology, Akure (FUTA) came fourth while the University of Calabar (UNICAL) was named the fifth-best varsity in Nigeria on the ranking.

AD Scientific Index said the ranking “reveals the competency of institutions to attract prized scientists and the ability of institutions to encourage advances and retain scientists.”

Harvard University made the top spot on the list globally while the University of Cape Town was ranked the best institution in Africa.

Below are the best varsities in Nigeria for 2021 according to the ranking:

1. University of Ibadan (UI)
2. University of Nigeria, Nsukka (UNN)
3. University of Ilorin (UNILORIN)
4. Federal University of Technology, Akure (FUTA)
5. University of Calabar (UNICAL)
6. Ahmadu Bello University
7. University of Benin (UNIBEN)
8. University of Port Harcourt (UNIPORT)
9. University of Lagos (UNILAG)
10. Obafemi Awolowo University
11. Ladoke Akintola University of Technology
12. Federal University of Technology, Owerri
13. Lagos State University
14. Usman Danfodiyo University
15. Lagos State University College of Medicine
16. Redeemer’s University
17. African University of Science & Technology Abuja
18. Skyline University Nigeria
Covenant University
19. Nnamdi Azikiwe University
20. Federal University of Technology Minna
21. University of Uyo
22. Delta State University Nigeria
And others.

Source: https://lifestyle.thecable.ng/ui-unn-unilorin-here-are-nigerias-best-varsities-based-on-quality-of-scientists/

Cc: Lalasticlala, Fynestboi, Richiez

Amoto94:
There are numerous verses pointing to the fact that Islam was practiced way before Prophet Muhammad below are few of those;
Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account.
Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun
Remember that absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence as for me sufficient for me is the Quran, you can wait for archeological sites that may or may not live to see for what you're looking for.

All these verses don't prove anything. Qur'an claims Adam was the first man on Earth; without scientific (archaeological) evidence, it's a mere claim.

Amoto94:
You said there's no benefit a Muslim have over those who are not this is a lie in an authentic narration the Prophet said, Wondrous is the affair of the Muslim whenever good touches he's grateful and thankful and whenever harm touches him he's patient and forebearing this can only be found in a Muslim. In several verses Allah mentioned that the aqeebah (good ending) is for the pious. In a narration the Prophet said, the world is a prisoner for the believer and paradise for the disbeliever.

You didn't mention any benefit exclusive to Muslims. Adherents of other religions also believe these things.

Amoto94:
As for your claim that Islam started over 1400years by Prophet Muhammad this is another lie, Islam started way before Muhammad was born, he was the seal of the Prophets and Messengers. Some of the Prophets were mentioned by name and some were not and they are all Muslims, disbelieving in one of them nullifies your Islam.

Can you quote the verse in the Qur'an where a religion called Islam existed before Muhammad was born? You know the Qur'an stated specifically how and when the religion was named "Islam".

Apart from the Qur'an, you don't have a concrete scientific proof that humanity started in Asia (Saudi), even though the available body of archaeological evidence says otherwise.

Amoto94:
As for extremism there will always be extremists who will go overboard it's now left for the authorities to deal with them, extremism of any kind is frowned at in Islam.

How is striving to practise Islam the way its founder Muhammad did, going "overboard"? Don't blame the extremists for following the footsteps of Mohammed.

Amoto94:
You're quick to mention that there's no compulsion in Islam which is a statement of fact,but you failed to mention that in Islam family ties means nothing if you don't share the same faith with a family member.

I understand you perfectly, which is why I'm surprised you condemn religious extremists, and you still believe "family ties means nothing if you don't share the same faith with a family member."

No need to condemn what you practise. That's self-contradictory.

Amoto94:
Should I remind you that Allah mentioned in the Quran that achieving worldly success is not faith dependent (meaning that you may be an atheist/pagan and still attain worldly if He wills) which is in support of my previous statement, what I'm letting you know is that you take the means necessary for success and whatever happens afterwards is purely based on pre-decree/predestination. Sometimes our prayers get answered instantly and sometimes it's answered by way of another thing different from the one we requested.

I know that's what you would say as a Muslim. But I thought you would tell me the benefits of choosing Allah out of the thousands of gods in history.

Do Muslims enjoy any advantage exclusive to them that others such as pagans, atheists, Christians don't enjoy?

Islam was established only 1400 years ago by Mohammed. Do you know humanity (homo sapiens) has been existing for close to 300,000 years and that before the advent of Islam and Christianity, humans were pagans?

I suppose you know all this. I see you as an educated and smart person, so I expect you already know that Muslims don't enjoy anything special that other religious or irreligious people don't enjoy as well.

If you want to talk about reward in heaven, other religious people and even some irreligious people also look forward to enjoying a good afterlife.

Besides, there's no concrete scientific proof that heaven exists as most people picture it.

I have argued and interacted with a number of Muslims, and the sincere, rational ones among them admit the various issues with Islam, Qur'an, and Sharia.

Some even admit they're only bearing the tag 'Muslim' for the sake of socialization and identification.

The truthful ones can see the dangers of religious extremism/fanaticism in society, in a family.

Even though there's a verse in the Qur'an that says there's no compulsion in religion, most Muslims (following the Sunnah of the Prophet) force, coerce others to practice Islam.

A typical Muslim will deny their child basic human rights, maltreat them, and even disown them if they tell such a parent they want to leave Islam.

Do you think a society that doesn't allow religious freedom can grow? How will a people grow when they keep on killing their thinkers (freethinkers, atheists, philosophers, potential scientists)?

Can such a country become great when they demonize the irreligious as "possessed people", meant to be killed or locked in prison?

It's sad Nigeria is still in dark age, where religious dogma and superstition stifles critical thinking.

Amoto94:
Don't come here telling me about probability and determinism because something can be probable yet impossible while something may be possible yet improbable.

This doesn't change the fact that life is both deterministic and probabilistic.

"Probability", as used in that context, is a mathematical/scientific term, different from "possibility".

Amoto94:
Islam taught me to take the necessary steps needed to achieve a goal and out your trust in Allah, if that thing is meant to be it will happen by the permission of Allah and if it weren't meant to be it won't happen even if the entire world gathers to assist you. Allah said, We won't change the situation of a people until they change what's in their own self.

In the post above, if one replaces Allah with Odin, Olohun or any of the thousands worshipped in history, one will still achieve greatness in life if one is destined to do so.

It all boils down to taking steps to achieve one's goals and luck. The harder one works, the luckier one becomes.

Prayers are mere wishes. In my opinion, life is mostly deterministic and sometimes probabilistic.

Amoto94:
Another One

About the message in the picture: The same thing also applies to the foreign (imported) ones, be it Allah or Jehovah.

Relying on any god/God is a waste of time. What works is science and philosophy (taking responsibility for one's life).

erusen:
7 years ago I became an atheist,I hated everything christainity I still do ,but this days seeing the idealogues of the secular "enlighten" west am beginning to think secularization was a mistake. that doesn't make me endorse christainity oh,very confused religion

Why do you think so?

swiz123:
Havertz10 I once told you about something I witnessed. I will tell this story more succinctly because I need a logical explanation for this...

Some years ago, I was told that one Akwa Ibom boy hears voices from his god and that if I write something on a piece of paper and fold it, he can tell me what I wrote on the paper without opening it. I am a very rational person so I laughed it off. To make them see their own stupidity, I offered to give the guy 10k if he does it in my presence.

Well, two days later, precisely on a Sunday morning they brought the boy. I went inside, wrote 10 things in a sheet of paper and folded them roughly and brought it outside. I remember writing things like:

1. Lewandowski
2. The prince of Edinburgh
3. De Bruyne
4. Nigeria is still a slave of their own independence
5. Kemi Olunloye has diarrhea of the mouth

Forgotten the rest... The boy did some incantations and some funny dances and took one of the folded paper, chewed it and spat it out. I held with me 9 pieces. I brought out the 1 one, he closed his eyes and touched it... After meditating for like 10 seconds he would say exactly what was on the sheet. I would open it to confirm. Note that I had my eyes on him and the paper was folded beyond recognition. ( Don't blame me, my money was on the line )..

This guy didn't even give me a chance to argue because those ones he couldn't pronounce, he would spell them correctly. Cos at a point, I was praying he would mispronounce words Edinburgh, lewandowski, De Bruyne or even diarrhea.

He crowned it by also saying what I wrote in the one he spat out. I didn't bother checking cos I knew he got it correctly..

Ever since then, I have been looking for logical ways to explain how that boy did that thing. The more I try, the more ridiculous I would sound.

So bro, I want to believe this is a mere parlor trick but I would like you to help give me a logical explanation why that happened. Cos I have failed

Interesting. Personally, I have witnessed a similar scenario a few times that seems mysterious.

I think a number of such demonstrations (by magicians and the likes) are performed using tricks.

However, some others (of such shows) demonstrate certain properties of nature that scientists are yet to fully comprehend.

When a magician does something that seems to defy the laws of physics (like chewing blade without getting hurt, for instance), I think they're applying the notion/principle that all heads
(brains) in the universe are connected as a single matrix, according to Otematum.

They have mastered this principle and, thus, know how to make their audience see whatever picture (things) they've imagined in their mind.

One can understand this, at least theoretically, by applying some principles of quantum physics to the brain.

If the brain is seen as a matter wave (a system of photons), it can experience entanglement the same way a typical quantum mechanical system does --albeit on a much lower scale.

A definition of quantum entanglement: If you observe a particle in one place, another particle—even one light-years away—will instantly change its properties, as if the two are connected by a mysterious communication channel.

Entanglement on such a relatively enormous scale (as applicable to the brain) has not been demonstrated yet by scientists.

If you're familiar with optics in physics, you would know that what we see as reality isn't what really exists.

When you look at any object, your brain forms a picture of the object based on a number of factors, including the amount of light entering the eyes, your mental state.

Even your religious beliefs and cultural beliefs also shape what you see as reality.

Due to the limitations of our senses, we can't see a sizeable part of reality (much of reality is filtered by the eyes).

Even there are some parts of the electromagnetic spectrum (light in layman's terms) we can't see. Also, we can't hear or detect some waves within certain frequency range.

Thus, we can't get a full picture of reality, but the (limited) interpretation our brain produces.

The magician knows this: That what we see as reality is just an illusion, not what really exists.

I think some of these magicians and priests of African traditional religion know a number of secrets about reality that the average person doesn't know. (Perhaps they learnt them from their ancestors they've deified as a god or goddess.)

They (the genuine ones among them) don't see reality like the average person does.

This quote from Nikola Tesla sums up this point: “If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”

Yes.

Cool thread.

Lols.