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popizaino:
Just be capping with reckless abandon. You don't always have time but you can type one million meaningless words in false response of the actual issue. You better seek olorun.

Lols, you no get brain. So you expect me to leave other important things offline and online and be sleeping and waking up on Nairaland daily just to engage in arguments all day. Lols

How will I seek Olorun when the blood of Olorun runs through my veins. I can't seek something that's a part of me already.
Na mumu people like you wey no know who Olorun is dem dey use the idol from Arabia, Allah, scam every now and then.

Whether directly or indirectly, the blood of Olorun, the ancestor of Yorubas, runs through the veins of many Yoruba people, just like the blood of Allah, runs through the veins of many Arabs and the blood of Jehovah runs through the veins of many Israelites.

Such is the nature of the advanced techniques of physics and genetics those past humans you worship ignorantly as God used to establish nations and continents as part of their space exploration missions to Earth.

As I've said before, Olorun was among the first set of humans that existed on this planet, especially in areas called Yorubaland today.

Allah was among the first set of humans that existed on this planet, especially in areas called Arabia today.

Yahweh was among the first set of humans that existed on this planet, especially in areas called Israel today.

The Yoruba people of today are like mini Olorun, a version of Olorun reduced drastically to a small size.

The same thing applies to the Arabs and the Israelities, each of whom are minituarized versions of their respective ancestors, Allah and Yahweh.

In the next few decades or hundred years, science will advance to this stage of designing living systems (including humans) using their (scientists') blood or sperm in combination with other things for setting up colonies in space.

Many scientists are laying the foundation for this already creating the required physics and math for such designs.

Of course, I don't expect you to understand this. If you see the physics and math sef, e go turn your brain for days.

kkins25:
Except in an educational setting, or one where there are many people with multiple languages, their native language is the primary language. Even in Universities, people teach in English, but communicate in their native dialect or pidgin(Which isn't English per say). You'd not find the common man in Sokoto, Adamawa, Kaduna, Kano, Jos, Ilorin, Ekiti, etc. speaking English......No sir.

Language is ever evolving, English of today isn't the same as yesterday. IN 500 years, all languages will change again. Just like they have done in the past. The indigenous people of Europe before the invasion by anglo saxon, vikings, and what have you have all been colonized by before. It's hasn't stopped them from progressing.

What you're saying doesn't make sense because

1) English is already our means of formal communication. If not for thieves, the country is doing just fine.
2) If laws of Physics are written in English, then, we must first understand it in English before we can transcribe it to Yoruba, etc. As you know, Yoruba hasn't developed in the same pace as Chinese, German, and so on.
3) India just launched landed on the Moon. What is their primary mode of formal communication?
4) I've already given you a practical example of what happens when one tribe dominates the others. It's no different from speaking English. You fail to see this point.

The Twi people hold all the power in Ghana. Turn on your television, and you'd find that the language spoken is Twi. This means the other tribes now have to push their native tongues to secondary, just like we've done with English.

I'm not a genius, but I know language barrier create tension. The unification of the Muslim world with Arabic, is what makes Islam a very powerful movement. Not all countries were Arabic, but that hasn't stopped Arabic countries like turkey from becoming world power has it?

We have already launched with English as our primary source of information. It's a rocket launch, and there are no about-turns.

Is there any country that used English as its primary language, and then reverted back to their native tongue as primary language? If so, what are the dynamics of that society? Are they multi-lingual or uni-lingual? How many ethnic groups are there?

I don't have the luxury of time to address your points one by one.

So if you want Africans to adopt English as the unified language, they've officially become an English colony again like many African countries were in the past.

If Africa adopts English as the unified language, then Christianity will also be adopted as the unified religion.

Anyway, that will never happen.

Obviously, you don't understand the huge influence of language on a people.

I don't have much to discuss with you on this matter because of time constraints.

Regardless of your opinion, those of us developing STEM in the local languages will continue as I said before.

You've not shown me what's wrong in an African (whether belonging to a minority or majority ethnic group) using their native language as the primary mode of communication and English language (or any others) as the secondary mode of communication.

This is what billions do all over the world and are prospering. I don't know what gave you the impression that English language is the ultimate. English isn't even the best language in the world.

Objectively, there's no best language in the world because no human language is or can be universal.

kkins25:
But, this is already the norm today. Staying in Cosmopolitan areas makes people think English is the sole language spoken in Nigeria.

Hausa and fulani, use English as secondary language. Same with Yorubas, and igbos. I'd rather have a language foreign to all of us as the primary language, than have to speak Hausa or Igbo has the unified means of communication.

You're contradicting yourself and aren't being factual. Apart from Hausa people mostly, most of other Nigerian people use English as their primary language and their native language as the second or third language after Arabic for Muslims.

Most of the Nigerian Muslims sef don even relegate their native language to their third language, after English/Arabic. That's the reality of things. It's not debatable.

kkins25:
We have a senates and House of reps with many dialects. English is better abeg. Nothing will change if we learn Physics in English or Hausa. It was written by English men anyway. If Chinese people are teaching their people English, how much more we.

The vast majority of knowledge is in English. adopting other languages will only back-peddle us... Infact, our English is unique and different from that of our colonizers, so, it's not really the language of our colonizers any more.
"you are mad" to the colonizer means you have mental case. To me, it could mean three things; you're either mental, funny, or troublesome.

Lols, Physics wasn't developed by the English people. The English people developed the field in their own language by translating books of philosophy written by Romans and Greeks in those languages.

This effort enabled Newton and other English people to make key contributions in that field afterwards.

However, science is native to the cultures of Africa. Obviously, you don't understand the subject being discussed here.

You said nothing will change by learning science in the native languages. Why then do UNESCO and many other expert educators recommend learning STEM in one's mother tongue?

Why do billions around the world learn science in their mother tongue?

If you're an educator, you'd understand what I'm saying here.

People are not really doing science in Nigeria. Na just la cram la pour. You can't be doing science, and yet a simple problem of lack of stable power supply you still neva solve am.

How many technologies and inventions have the Physics and Engineering departments in most Nigerian universities made? Lols, they merely regurgitate what others have done in other parts of the world.

The current model of teaching STEM is poor and ineffective. STEM should be taught in the local languages primarily and English secondarily.

Even na la cram la pour most first and second-class students in Nigerian universities dey do. Ask them to explain most of what they've learned a couple of weeks after sitting an exam, dem no go fit.

The English spoken in Nigeria is still English. It's called a dialect of English for a reason, not a dialect of Yoruba or other local languages.

I've said enough on this matter. Regardless of your opinion, those of us developing STEM in the native languages will still continue. If you're a science educator, I may even take you a bit more seriously on this issue.

But obviously, you're not judging from your posts on this issue.

A slave of the Arabs dey wail in my mentions. I no get time for mumu people. I'll simply ignore the mentions.

I'm sure the idiot doesn't even know his Qur'an has different versions just like Arabic language has different dialects as well.

It's not only Yoruba that has various dialects. Some people really mumu.

Many versions of his Qur'an sef had been destroyed in the past, yet even today, the versions of Qur'an used by Muslims in Africa than those in Saudi and in other parts of the world.

If this mumu see some versions of Qur'an (some Arabic dialects), e no go fit read am. The Arabic dialect Muhammad got the revelations for the Quran in is not even in existence again.

People wey no know their left from right.

If you know the history of compilation of their Qur'an sef written by the Muslims themselves, you go laff tire and wonder how can millions base their whole existence on a book with so many versions that weren't even compiled in the form of a book by Muhammad, its author himself when alive, but was compiled years after his death.

Obviously, the accuracy of such a book is questionable, and that's why so many versions of the Qur'an had been destroyed in the past, and a few versions are even still available now.

The version of Qur'an used by Sunni Muslims is not exactly the same as those used by Ahmadiyya and some other sects.

He mentioned different sentences in various dialects, but we know they're saying the same thing in slightly different ways. And just like there's a popular dialect of Arabic language used by many Muslims in Africa and those in other parts of the world, there's also a general dialect of Yoruba that many Yoruba people understand in all Yoruba-speaking states.

Mumu. I no just get time. I for do a detailed post on the history of compilation of Qur'an with proofs from Sunnah and books written by the Muslims themselves. Time no dey

kkins25:
wether we like it or not, we need a unifying language. If you choose hausa to replace English, the onus is on you to explain to the igbo nd other tribes why hausa should be the universal language..

Everyone speaks their native language among their people as the primary mode of communication and uses English as a secondary language. Problem solved.

It's a model that works in many non-English-speaking countries around the world.

Anyway if you don't speak any of the three major languages in Nigeria, you can stop using your own native language and leave it to die. It's your choice.

Others won't make such a huge mistake and become extinct.

swiz123:
If you have traveled to many states in Nigeria, you will realize that language is nothing but a means to communicate your thoughts. As long as your target audience understands you, the work of language is done.

If you think it is much more than this, start typing in Yoruba and see if any non Yoruba person here will bother to engage you.

You're just the typical ignorant African that can't think deeply and critically about key issues. No, language is not just a mere means to communicate your thoughts. It's much more.

It has a huge influence on a human and is used to program people's minds. Obviously, you don't even know that means or entails.

It's better to ignore some posts here. I don't even know where to start with you.

raumdeuter:
If we can work on this solution we will sell to NASA and become billionaires. We will tell them Isese helped us with the solution and sell Isese to the world

It's a very huge project. It's like trying to build the pyramids in Egypt. It'll take collaborative efforts of many, many people and for many years.

It's something Nigerians can actually do if we have a lot of highly intelligent people. The principles of nature required to build the system (I've mentioned it here before) are embedded in the native cultures, in those stories we call myths and fables in Isese and other cultures around.

But most people ignorantly detest things pertaining to their native culture. You can't detest or condemn Ifa or Ogun now and expect them to inspire you to build a system they've developed during their times on earth.

That system being developed by NASA had been designed by Ifa in the past era in the native language.

The math wey Ifa know when alive, if a person knows half or one quarter, it's enough for them to win a Nobel prize.

It's not an easy feat for many people to use one of Ifa's Inventions, a system he built, in establishing many towns in a region for many generations.

There's a specific field of math underlying all those villages and towns in Yorubaland. I don't want to go into too much details here.

Millions of Nigerians speak and/or understand more than one language. That's fact. Wetin dey there to learn again. And if learning your mother tongue is a big deal to you, just leave it now. When the language dies, your people will die too.

A people (culture) without a language are a dead people. They'll bear the name of another people (culture).

All I know is Yoruba language will keep on growing and developing in leaps and bounds due to the effort of Isese people and others. If you no promote your language, and there are many such nonchalant people in your culture, the language and your culture will die sooner or later.

kkins25:
This means each tribe has to learn a second language.. But which one? If they learn hausa, then they become second citizens to hausa.. If they learn yoruba, same. Anang, same. It is inevitable. English or not, you'd still have to learn a foreign language--- language alien to your kinsmen.

Lols, this is a fallacy of false equivalence. Are Hausa people your colonial masters? Lols.

If I travel to Germany for schooling and adopt German to learn, that's my choice. And I'd use it as a secondary language and continue using Yoruba as my major language.

I wasn't forced or coerced to accept German unlike English that was enforced and imposed on Africans using inhumane means through colonialism.

kkins25:
In a class room of 200 students, 50 Igbo, 60 yoruba, 90 Hausa, ... which language should the teacher use to teach? The language of the majority? How's that different from What we have now? Does speaking hausa instead of my local dialect, yoruba, mean that I'm secomd hand to them?

Did Hausa colonize you in the past? Lols. If I adopt a language willingly to learn, that's my choice.

Did past Africans tell you they wanted a language called English in Africa? It was imposed and enforced on them by the colonial masters.

In fact, various evil psychological techniques were used by the colonial masters to break the spirit of the African people and enforce English on them.

Once a person can picture a technology, any technology at all, they've brought that thing into existence, and it lives in their head. That technology can be brought to life physically at some point in the future.

All the technologies, inventions, languages, religions, etc. of today first lived in the heads of their designers/authors before living in this physical world.

Actually, all these things have a life of their own. But our perception of what's called life as humans is very narrow and limited.

Anything that has energy has a life, though that thing may not exhibit that property called life based on the narrow human perception of the concept in this realm, but exhibit it in other realms.

For instance, languages are living entities. If a person masters some key fundamental principles of nature, they can create a new language.

Many of those that achieved this rare feat in the past saw languages as living beings. That approach has a lot of depth and interesting applications.

While inventing a human language isn't such a dire necessity today as it was in some periods in the past human eras, highly intelligent people can still develop a language.

Programming languages, new physics, new math are all languages in their respective fields.

I just read some comments here on the previous pages and laughed. Many people dey here wey no know their left from right. See dem talking about different dialects of Yoruba as if it's only Yoruba that has various dialects.

These ones don't know the number of dialects and accents of English in existence today. Na wa for these people o.

English language has one of the largest, if not the largest, number of dialects and accents of all world's languages. That's fact.

The attached picture below only shows the dialects and accents of English spoken in Europe. See as dem plenty. For Africa, many dialects dey. Go to other continents and regions such as Australia, the Americas, and others, you go see even more.

So many ignorant people on this forum. How can you still speak and understand English language among one and another even with such tons of English dialects and accents available around the world?

Dull people must copy the smarter ones in everything they do. You go copy the way they talk, eat, sleep, pray, and virtually every other thing.

For a typical African, it's forbidden to think and come up with an innovative solution to problems faced in the environment. Let's wait for the whites and Arabs to build them so we can adopt them and do copy copy as usual.

I don't know why a typical African feels inferior to the other races and this inferiority complex even dumbs down their level of intelligence. Na wa o.

raumdeuter:
The greatest war invention will be if the irondome can return the missile to exact location it was launched

Yorubas have an incantation for it. Owo ti sigidi ba gbe ara re lo fi lu. Arigisegi ba segi ori e lofi ma ru

Basically back to sender

A001 can we work on this physics project with collaboration with Segedinho and Ebukacute

Some scientists at NASA are building a system that has so many potential applications. If they develop it well, they can invent such a technology.

The laws of nature to apply for this are known already and they underlie a lot of other phenomena in nature.

kkins25:
How will this be achieved in a country like Nigeria? We already have english as standard. There's no need to invest in going back to pre-colonial era knowing fully well that we have racist tendencies towards one another. I don't think that's a good investment.

Take Ghana for example, the Twi language is more powerful because the Twi people have held power for long. Consequently, other tribes are under developed. With a Twi government, Activities of the Economy will be Twi-centered. That then defeats the whole purpose, unless you want each language to have its own government.

The most important thing to consider is the human factor.

I stated before that even If I belong to a minority tribe in a place, I'd still use my native language as the primary mode of communication with my fellow tribesmen but adopt the more popular language spoken in such a place (whether native or foreign) as the secondary mode of communication.

Can you point out what's wrong in this approach? I don't see anything wrong there really.

Today, the UN and many people in the science world and other strata of life are keen about diversity and inclusion.

Every ethnic people, people, race clamors for equal representations and opportunities in all areas of life.

Anyone that has lived as a minority in Nigeria would know how it feels like to be discriminated against based on religious and cultural lines.

I don't think you understand how that feels like.

This is one key reason why I clamor for the local languages to be preserved and developed. The major reason is to address the issue of diversity and inclusion.

I support every African to adopt and speak their native language as the primary mode of communication and English language as the secondary mode.

What's wrong in this? Billions of non-English-speaking peoples around the world are doing the same thing.

Are they suffering because they don't want to come under the English people as slaves? Must the English people rule over everyone in the world?

A language has a huge influence on a people, and if you accept a foreign language over your own mother tongue, you've become a second-class citizen to those people and are under them.

popizaino:
Make sure you develop it in ijebu yoruba,ekiti yoruba,okun yoruba,akoko yoruba,ondo yoruba,owo yoruba,ijesha yoruba,ikale yoruba, okitipupa yoruba otherwise you are not practicing what you preach.

Lols, na mumu comments full here. I don't need to do so. I'm developing a new field of Physics and Math for a range of key natural phenomena.

The level of physics and math involved is highly complex, even much more difficult than Quantum Mechanics that give a lot of physicists a headache.

So, that keeps me occupied and busy a lot.

When I'm done publishing major papers on this project, I won't be the one to translate it into those dialects. It's others that'll do so if they want.

My own part I'll play is to develop the field well and infuse it with as many concepts in Isese (Yoruba culture) and other native cultures as possible and lay a solid foundation for the upcoming generations to build on.

If a body of knowledge is well developed and has lot of depth and key applications that can solve various problems humans face, Oyinbo people no care even if you call am Ifa or Orunmila.

OasisX:


....Emi na má jawe so òbí láti ìsìn yọ. Eku isẹ ọpọlọ lẹ kansi. Ilẹ̀ Oodua àgbè wá ó.

Ẹ́ ṣe o (thank you).

KingTom:
Why you dey reply your omo iya with English

English is my secondary language. Yoruba is primary. When interacting on a general forum with members from diverse cultural backgrounds, I switch to the secondary mode of communication, English.

But if it's among fellow Yorubas, I use my native language, Yoruba, the major language.

OasisX:


...O ti ye mi. Thanks for makting sense out of nonsense Ẹ̀gbọ́n mi.

Ilẹ̀ Oodua òní bá jẹ.... but for Ilẹ̀ Oodua not to bá jẹ, we should look beyond native cultures to local contents.

I don't know if Football is part of our native culture, but I am certain its part of our local content now.

Hope I am finally making sense Ẹ̀gbọ́n mi?!

I wish you can help me translate Shooting Stars to Yorùbá, its kinda hard for me, especially the word "shooting".

Na to do the translation yourself. I think that's the best thing. A single person can't do everything.

Even the project I've been working on for some years now developing STEM in the native languages is so huge and demanding. So, due to time and financial constraints and others, one person can't do everything.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I am currently in Ogun state.

Please what language do you think i need to survive and converse here?

Nota Bene: My indigenous language is Anambra.[/color]

Lols, na your indigenous language now with your fellow people from Anambra in Ogun and with other people, na to use Yoruba and/or English as the secondary mode(s).

Billions of humans around the world understand and speak more than one language. No big deal.

I've more important things to do with my time. So many dull posts here.

OasisX:


....kára ó lè Baba, Ẹkù Ìṣe ọpọlọ, Àgbà ó ni tán lo rilẹ. Kẹpẹ fún wa bàbà. I am just seeking clarity not in any way making comparison.

But if I may Ẹ̀gbọ́n mi, I think you should extend it to sport too, especially football cos I see it as another form of slavery.

How on earth, we gonna leave our local league and be promoting league of our Colonizers for that matter?

Hope I am making sense as someone with high IQ Ẹ̀gbọ́n?!

You're not making sense. I support the key aspects of my native culture primarily (whether it's language, science, sports, etc.) and any other culture secondarily.

Note "primarily" and "secondarily" stated there. That's a major difference.

Melvyn11:
Leave white men in Europe and source your entertainment from your locality. Support Enugu Rangers and stop being a slave to an European club.

I'm doing more for aspects of the local cultures, including sports, than merely shouting online.

Developing STEM in the native language of Yoruba is much more valuable than just shouting up 3SC online. I'm putting in the real work, instead of merely making online noises.

Mumu argument

I dey support Chelsea. But it's just entertainment. I don't base my whole life on it like the Muslims and Christians. And I even dey support the local sports and festivals. Your agenda na dead on arrival.

So, you engage in Christianity and Islam as a form of entertainment abi. Lols, well you and your god are jokers before

Melvyn11:
An African promoting English league and supporting Chelsea at the expense of his own native league in this day and age na mumu person.

Mumu, supporting Chelsea is just entertainment. Not my sole reason for existence like you, Muslims and Christians.

Some people are really dull

Na sports you dey compare with your religion now. Your religion don become so useless and mere entertainment.

Some people really mumu

OasisX:


....kudos Ẹ̀gbọ́n mi and Ilẹ̀ kaarọ ó jire is proud of your works. Just kinda surprised you have no issue supporting an English Club instead of promoting 3SC and co as you are doing for local gods, languages.

I'm a Chelsea fan. That's just pure entertainment. When it comes real life issues, Yoruba and Africa are my prime interests.

Do you do your religion as a pure entertainment? No, it's your whole essense, your sole purpose for existence. Stop comparing apples and oranges.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]All they do here is bully everyone into thinking this nonsense makes sense.

An Anambra man will struggle to understand the native language of an Ngwa man, and both will struggle to understand an Izzi man, all in the same SE.

We are just setting up more barriers with all these.

Our indigenous cultures and languages must be upheld, but we need to settle for a universal one primarily. Na the truth be that[/color]

It has never worked in the past and will never that English or any of these languages today is used as a universal language.

Do you even know what that means? Do you know the number of planets in our solar system alone let alone the Universe?

There are infinite planets in the Universe. The elements of the Universe, including humans, languages, and tons of others, are infinite.

No single element of the Universe can lay claim to anything universal. So, English, a tiny and almost negligible element of the Universe, can never be a universal language.

It has never happened before and will never happen.

On this planet, the languages are fighting for survival and domination.

If na mumu people full your language/culture, a language with smarter people will colonize it and drive it into extinction.

An African promoting English language at the expense of his own native language in this day and age na mumu person

OasisX:


....ain't you a chelsea fan?! What happens to supporting 3SC as against an English Club?!

Lols, the work I'm doing by developing science in Yoruba is a key way to support sports in the local cultures. Science is a body of knowledge and tool applied in all areas of life, including sports.

No be by shouting I'm a 3SC fan or Chelsea fan alone on the Internet

All languages in the world today first lived as ideas in the minds of some people of the past.

It was such humans that created these languages for their people to develop and be able to communicate with one another using sophisticated means.

A language is just like any other invention out there. Just like you don't expect every human in the world to be using an iPhone or a Samsung phone or a Nokia phone, it's unnatural to think every human should adopt English language, just one invention out of many, to communicate primarily.

English is the ultimate for some people, lols. Yet, there's nothing special about it. It's just a language like others out there.

BlueRayDick:
Then this is a complete waste of everybody's time.....What's the essence of learning in Ur native language only to communicate that knowledge to someone else in another secondary language?


What has been acheived through that unnecessary stress? Tell me.

There's nothing wrong with people learning and promoting the use of their indigenous Language but we need to be practical about adopting Indigenous Language as language of insutruction/learning will work in heterogenous society like ours.

Lols, everyone can't be under your slave masters, the English people.

kkins25:
I agree with this.. For a country like Nigeria, having information in a unified language is better. Seperating them will create more divide.. Infact, the Whole of Africa should do same... Our division in the continent is too great.. and we're suffering it..

An American has access to virtually every corner of the world, but an African can't even do business with his neighboring country.

Lols, if the whole continent does the same and put all information in English as the unified language, you're back to colonial era again.

You can't have it both ways. If you want Africa to go back to colonial rule, that's when you'll be calling for the use of English as the unified language for Africa.

Then also be ready to adopt Christianity as the official religion of Africa as well. I don't think you people understand the huge influence of a language on a people.

The way forward is for every tribe/ethnic group in Africa to adopt their native language as the primary mode of communication and English language or any other popular language as the secondary mode(s) of communication.

That doesn't create any division among the African people and ethnic groups.

That way, each ethnic group or nation can be sovereign/independent and still be able to interact with other Africans in the same continent or region.

If I belong to a minority tribe in an area now, I'd adopt my language as the primary mode of communication and learning so that my language doesn't die. In relating with others, I'd use the popular language(s) in the area, such as other African native language or English or French, etc. Simple issue.