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mattfeuter:
I’m just wondering where he thinks he can go and win a chip at the moment.

I feel bad for John wall too.

Maybe Philly, maybe Brooklyn. But if you are a GM you have to ask yourself do you really want this headache? If you give up the house for him and he doesn't extend you're all types of bleeped.

Honestly the Rockets should just sit him till they find a trade partner. Playing him after that presser would be sabotage. Get all the teams to come with their best deals. Pick the best one and move forward

That roster shouldn't be 3-7. OKC is probably the worst roster in the West and they still have 5 wins

mattfeuter:
Did you watched his post game interview?

Lool he needs to take several seats. The only player allowed to whine about his current situation is Bradley Beal and he's not even using it as an excuse not to ball.

I have never understood the hullabaloo about Harden as it's pretty clear you're never winning a chip with that guy as your best player

James Harden has scored 20 points or fewer for the first time in 8 years. Something fishy going down

timay:
@bolded.

Like. Izzou has said before, when the table turns in future, because it definitely will, the will also accuse you of doing whataboutism. by then it will be too late and a precedent will have been set

Let it be. Let it be. Anybody that still thinks it's about infringement of free speech and not rules that Trump has abused over and over again is on to their own agenda and they need to own it with their chest and stop disguising. Unless you're claiming Trump has never broken any rules on Twitter

If you don't believe Trump has caused sufficient carnage then that's on you. Like I said, a reprobate mind will always have excuses to display their whataboutism and not judge cases on their merits.

People are acting like this guy is Mandela fighting apartheid or something like that

nihilistjnr:
Twiiter did not say it was a culmination of anything - The said specifically that they banned Trump for those two tweets.

Look, if Twitter were really concerned about Trump inciting violence, that tweeted threat to a Nuclear Super Power should have been enough to ban him. The Threat to shoot BLM protesters should be enough to ban him especially as white supremacists actually went on to shoot and kill black protesters.

Twiiter did nothing.

This level of coordinated action from parties who either had previously either actively refused to police Trump(facebook) or turned a blind eye(twitter), were under threat of being sold(TikTok) or only God know's what(Spotify, Shopify, Reddit, Pornhub) must be triggered by something far more serious than the excuse that Trump has been inciting a mob.

The man came to power on the slogan 'drain the swamp'. It didnt take 4 years for the world to realise Trump was a neo-fascist piece of shyttt...so why is this action happening now? In such coordinated manner? And should these companies whose owners have clear political bias really have this kind of power?

This is my own concern, not whether Trump is a piece of shytt.

They don't need to say it. You should be able to read the fine print that after what happened last week there was some need for a reaction. Trump's defiant response was just the alibi needed.

I have told you before that banning a sitting US President still eligible for reelection is naïve. You're being unrealistic if you expected such an outcome. Trump is always and has always been that lousy neighbor, gf, teammate etc that you tolerate till you don't have to anymore.

What you see from other so-called platforms is a form of esprit de corps. You don't want to be the one that didn't kick out a President that led an insurrection on his own country. Same way we saw Merkel lament Trump's ban. There is esprit de corps in all industries for the most part.

When have these companies and Captains of industries with political biases not had this power? Which kin JJC yarnin be this Bros

Now my question to you is why are Trump's known associates also abandoning him. Is Bill Belichick also in on this plot? Deutsche Bank? Signature Bank? Or were they enabling his excesses till the point they didn't have to anymore or they could do so without consequences.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/facebook-youtube-twitter-remove-video-trump-amid-chaos-capitol-n1253157

He was enabled till he could be enabled no more

Ibime:
Zuckerberg wanted to step out of policing politics on his platform simply because of the cost of doing so (hiring a lot more fact checkers, Facebook police etc) and for the fact that it would absolve him of the Cambridge Analytica scandal by taking a position that we just don't police.

Make no mistake, Zuck is very anti-Trump. His wife is Chinese and his children speak mandarin, and I'm sure they can't stomach Trump's anti-Chinese rhetoric. But the guy just dey separate Business from personal, although they hired a lot of Facebook police to police right-wing groups, infact 10 times more than Twitter but he never challenges Trump directly, same with Bezos. It was Zuck that busted the kidnap plot on Michigan Governor by monitoring right-wing groups on Facebook for example.

So basically he's a bit more measured and less of a radical than Jack. Makes sense

nihilistjnr:
This is why we're questioning what's going on, because this is too coordinated to be a result of some protest. If you're looking primarily at Twitter, I am not.

Did you read the Tweets Twitter banned Trump for?

These are the tweets
1:


2:


Are you honestly telling me that these are the tweets that broke the camels back? What rules did these break really?

In the past this man has tweeted that he will physically beat up Joe Biden:


tweeted a threat to start a war with Iran:


tweeted that congresswomen of colour should go back 'home'
,

tweeted when the looting starts the shooting starts during BLM....


but was he taken off twitter? No. Were the posts hidden? No.

But it's now that he said he's not going to inauguration, that the camel's back broke., and somehow backs of all the camels at all other tech companies broke at the exact same time.

Stop it my guy.

Instead maybe we should look at what Biden thinks about regulating Social Media

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/17/opinion/joe-biden-nytimes-interview.html

Essentially, a man who believes Social Media companies should bear civil and even criminal liability for the posts submitted by their userbase, has just become President of the United States. Not only that, his Party now control both the Senate and the House of Reps.

All of sudden, Big Tech are falling over themselves to ban a known enemy of this new President who could make life difficult for them - bruh that's a very dangerous precedent.

Anticipating that a US president still in the middle of his term and still eligible
for reelection would be banned is a bit naïve

I have told you that the events of last week and a culmination of the past misdeeds of Trump was what led to the ban. I don't recall saying it was about his tweets else this mass boycott of Trump would have started and ended on social media.

His banks, PGA, Bill Belichick are they part of Big Tech as well?

Section 230 is a double edged sword. If it gets revoked even better, it just means every single thing you tweet would most likely be fact checked. Most likely Trump does not grow to this monster he's become and less nutjobs running amok all over social media

pamcode:
That was fire for fire I believe. Trump is very undiplomatic, has an arrogant attitude and a bad mouth. The man is ready to abuse anyone who is against him which is a very bad character for a president or anyone in authority to have. Even then I have a feeling the criticism against him goes beyond issues of politics like it is something personal. Before Trump ran for president in his first term, did he already have a bad record?

P.S I am not supporting Trump here just trying to make sense of the whole situation.

Had Trump conceded he lost an election he actually lost by over 6 million votes, not dragged a whole entire electoral system, health system and legal system down the mud don't you think the criticism would be less harsh?

Is he the first person to be President of a country? Or the first entertainment personality to be President or Governor? No be person be Reagan (who was not a saint by the way)

nihilistjnr:
I dont think the bolded is true.

Zuckerberg in particular has faced congress grillings around 3-4 times over the last few years and specifically refused to police political statements on Facebook.

This statement below is from Nick Clegg, former Deputy Prime Minister under Cameron...and now Vice-President, Global Affairs and Communications for Facebook

https://about.fb.com/news/2019/09/elections-and-political-speech/

The above was facebook's official position in 2019. It is still on their website. Throughout 2020 companies were boycotting facebook for their refusal to police Trump and his followers.

More than 750 companies including Coca-Cola, Hershey and Unilever, Walgreens, Best Buy, Ford and Adidas refused to advertise on Facebook and Insta.

Despite losing a reported 7.5 Billion dollars in ad revenue in 2020, Zuckerberg refused to budge.
According to the Washington Post, Zuckerberg said

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/07/03/facebook-advertiser-boycott-hate/

So, please I dont buy the argument that Facebook suddenly developed a conscience. The 5 people that died now are not greater than the number of black people killed to death by racists who no doubt share ideology with Trump. I'm too cynical for that

There's something more sinister at play when Facebook goes against it's own principles to deplatform Trump as part of a coordinated move with the rest of Big Tech.

For one, I can see how the Democrats cleansweep might incentivize Zuckerberg to back the winner, and do what's best..for HIM. Today we like it, but tommorow we might not.

This is the point I'm trying to make.

I was speaking primarily about Twitter after all they initiated Trump's ban across other platforms. I don't know too much about Mark Zuckerberg's dealings and political leanings. But I know Jack is a bit more of a conscious cat or a SJW if you will.

Now what you need to understand is Trump is Chernobyl right now. This is not about Big Tech again as even vocal supporters of Trump are all backing out on him. His long time friend and supporter Bill Belichick just refused to collect their highest medal for a civilian from Trump, Deutsche Bank a bank that Trump owes hundred of millions of $$, a bank that literally bankrolled the Auschwitz camps say they are done doing business with him.

I don't even see why people are doing all sorts of gymnastics to defend Trump as if everything he's facing now is not self inflicted.

There was a line that was crossed last Wednesday. Whether you agree or want to downplay it or not. What he promotes is what we saw glimpses of last week and everyone has decided they want no parts of that. It's pretty simple

afrodoc2:
Many people are actually ignorant about what democracy and about how fascism develops.

Trump is not your regular POTUS. He is a lame duck President who is fascist in all but name and used his office and social media to instigate insurrection against the government.

The only reason he is not going to be impeached again is that he is going soon anyway.

Everything about Trump speaks of Jim Jones of Guyanatown/Jonestown fame. I'm always wary of leaders with cult like following and cult of personality behavior. They are skilled at evoking undeserving sympathy and that makes them very dangerous. When somebody who bankrupted a Casino is able to convince people that Doctors, Journalists, Lawyers and actual professionals don't know their jobs then you should be worried

He might not be as devious as a Hitler, Mussolini or Stalin but he would create just enough of a conducive environment for Neo-Nazism, Fascism and Populist agenda to thrive so that the next in line would be more efficient and they would infiltrate society and leadership positions enough to turn Fascist ideals to a way of life.

Trump apologists are conveniently glossing over the fact that he is being rightfully punished for going above and beyond what a President should not do. They are deliberately acting like Trump was not given enough rope as if Jack just banned him because he doesn't like his face and not that Trump actually abused his platform to the point that his stay there was untenable.

Amoto94:
It is like you're focussing on Twitter alone and forgetting that Amazon, Apple and Google removed Parler an alternative to Twitter

Yes. When you commandeer an invasion that has not occurred in 200+ years getting deplatformed should be the least of your worries.

What do you think happens if Trump is banned only on Twitter and their right wing propaganda forum Parler is allowed to exist on their platform? It will only multiply and make Amazon, Apple and Google accomplices of sort. If they are against Trump and the carnage he unleashed it's common sense they ban him on their platform

Future cases should be argued on their merits as it should be in any sane society not this whataboutism I'm seeing here.

iamJ:
But wait

People are mad cause trump got suspended


Unless you wanted to see america destroyed or divided further, I don't see any other thing that will make someone mad over his suspension


If someone post nudes on twitter you are ok if they are suspended


But if someone pushes an agenda that divides a country and caused the deaths of 4 people, he should be left alone cause free speech


Na ment?

I don't understand. You would think this is like me opening a forum and banning someone who says LeBron is better than Michael Jordan. The false equivalence is doing my head in

Not the fact that Trump's tweets and rallies and divisive agenda is tearing their democracy apart over an election that he LOST!!

nihilistjnr:
Basically if Jack Dorsey wakes up tommorow and is annoyed by any world leader, he can just delete their account.


If he disagrees with the opinion of anyone in opposition, poof they're gone.

The new world order might just be here already.

We both know this is not what happened with Trump. We all know this

Trump owes a huge chunk of his popularity he has to that app. He was allowed more than enough rope

pamcode:
I swear. This is new world order movie levels we are seeing. A whole POTUS dragged in the mud like a common criminal. The media and celebrities have always been gunning for him since the campaign days of his first term. I have never seen such media backed opposition against an individual in my life.

But you didn't have issues with him dragging professional athletes, politicians, journalists and Doctors in the mud for most of his administration. Lol una go soon talk as e dey do una

iamJ:
they attacked the capital of the united states

Na ment? Wetin dey do una, we are talking about white privilege, everybody knows that he deserves what he is getting instead of una to focus on why police suddenly became lenient and talk about reforms, you are fighting because a fool was blocked from causing more chaos

Na ment? Dem swear for black man, wetin na

Loool Nigerians are tiring. Always fighting for the wrong things. I no know whether na swear

Just see this one for example. If not MENT why will you even let this yarns leave your sitting room

sod09:
Simple
I mean I don't like this man one bit, but banning him everywhere is a solution or adding fuel to fire

You don't negotiate with cancer you uproot. if those lawmakers were killed. We will be having a very different conversation

afrodoc2:
What the left did in the post-election period is not the same thing as what Trump did, and I don’t think it is comparable.

Trump essentially instigated a populist coup. He invited his followers to the capital with the objective of subverting the democratic process and halting the handover of government extrajudicially.

He had also previously set the tone for the whole situation by being divisive and using social media as a propaganda tool to spread hate and misinformation.

What he did has more similarity to what the Nazis did in the period before Kristallnacht. There is a difference between merely having different political views or holding a different political position AND actively encouraging a mob to interfere with a democratic handover of power.

Now whether Twitter and Facebook should have such censorial power is a different debate. But let’s not minimise Trump’s actions by comparing it to anything the left or indeed the right did after the elections.

I find it disturbing that educated minds are conflating the two. Almost feel like I'm in a time machine to Weimar Germany 1933 where people were also reasoning with Hitler and seeing sense in some of his rhetoric.

This man went on a one man full on assault on the oldest democracy on the planet. What Trump attempted is what Babangida pulled off. Trump would have annulled that election if he could. But all I see is people playing devil's advocate.

Amoto94:
Same

Good. Jack does not see it that way.

MAGA and Trumpism will not suddenly vanish because of Trump's ban but he has done his part to cut off the head of the snake from his platform.

It's a free world and nothing stops Trump and his supporters from building their platform and spewing their divisive agenda there.

Amoto94:
No one is denying the fact that Trump is a dangerous man and from the stupidest of leaders the world has witnessed in modern era I ranked him in the same category with his counterparts in UK and Brazil but the question begging for answers is why the sudden change of tactics when it's no longer good for business? Why should tech giants arrogate powers to themselves when you know that they're partisan and can decide to do as they wish and pay lobbyists to clean up their mess?

Events of last week is enough for this drastic turn. It's not a one off or spur of the moment ban as they made clear. This was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

I would ask again. What would have been your response had several lawmakers and the VP gotten killed or injured. 5 people died in that incident. 5!

Amoto94:
China is laughing at Western countries and their allies like this and others are seeing the danger first-hand. Turkey is about switching to its own platform, India is warming up and the domino effect has set in already as the share price of Twitter has dropped since the last episode.

We shouldn't be selective in our pursuant of Justice in as much as I am against free speech granting tech companies right of arbitration is dangerous because they have biases and holding them accountable will be difficult as they can wriggle themselves out of any legal implication by lobbying and prolonging litigation

China and Turkey are not worthy examples. Twitter would not even be functional in those countries so I don't see why they are the bastions of Censorship.

My question is how much more wiggle room do you suggest these companies should have given Trump to continue his insurrection agenda. How many people have to die because a despotic leader has refused to accept defeat.

People are pretending like there is any leader in the world presently that has been as disruptive as Trump on any media space. Had GEJ pulled this off in 2019 using social media as a tool to heat up the polity over an election he soundly lost would you keep this energy?

President does not entitle you to immunity on social media

AmazonTopaz:
Pence own weak me a man asked his supporters to march to the capitol he and his enablers used violent rhetorics knowing fully well your wife and daughter were with you he put your lives in danger his supporters were saying"hang mike pence" but you still continue as VP or don't invoke the 25th.The tweets below says it all and this man wants to be president in 2024 he is the GOP's best bet but not many American's will forget this or his role in this administration he had the chance to do the right thing he refused.

Pence is a weakling same way Ted Cruz is a weakling. At some point in a man's life you should be able to have conviction and contentment to not stoop to certain levels. After kowtowing to Trump and still getting thrown under the bus does he think the MAGA base don't still see him as a traitor?

Pence is too weak and mid a candidate to beat anybody the Dems put forth. What is his personality and what would convince a swing voter to even vote for Pence? He should have gone out with his sword on Trump or gone full rogue and endorse this impeachment. Right now he is lukewarm tea that would be spat out

Amoto94:
Isn't this criminalization of free speech and tech giants being partisan in this regard because for years now some leaders have been making statements dangerous for peace but they didn't take decisive actions against them? The action taken by the tech giants are Orwellian in nature, it has set a dangerous precedent in the sense that countries with capacity but reluctant to build their platforms will now go ahead to build one and force citizens to sign up. Also, allowing tech giants to unilaterally decide what's right and what's wrong is dangerous for civil conversation because once they don't agree with you even if what you're saying is the truth they will remove your content and suspend your account.

So your grouse is not even that Trump has done wrong. It's whataboutism. Do you expect Jack to be as vested in other countries as he is in his own?

Do you know how many times you would be suspended if you tweeted the exact same things Trump tweeted? Even on this Nairaland aren't there rules governing what you can say and what you can't say.

Maybe if more people died in that attempted coup you would have a different opinion.

AmazonTopaz:
You are not smart at all.

Comparing apples to oranges I am sure you must have been one of those so called conservatives that supported a baker who refused to bake cake for a gay couple for their wedding his excuse was his beliefs don't support it conservatives quickly jumped into the bandwagon defended him and said it was his private job and he can do what he wants is it not you lots that are for free markets and private businesses are at liberty to decide what they want so why are you crying foul that Trump was banned if you or I were posting what Trump was posting we would have been banned years ago so keep quiet Trump broke their rules even in the freest of all societies there are rules you don't use public/private platforms to spread hate,fear and violence and don't expect repercussions.

Comparing what happened to Trump a ban by a private company to a government known for it's third world policies is beyond foolish.Ask yourself if Trump's twitter ban and what Uganda's government did are the same thing you are comparing private ban to government when it is government that can make or mar those companies you are not okay at all

You can always count on RepubliKKAns for their double standards and hypocrisy.

A sitting President told insurrectionists go home we love you, you're special, I know how you feel over an election even his fellow Republicans admitted he lost. But called NFL players sons of bitches simply for kneeling to bring attention to racial injustice. That is who these nutjobs and Uncle Tom's are here defending.

How much of a vajayjay is Mike Pence. So you lacked the balls to do Trump's bidding or attempt to even though he orchestrated an invasion that could have cost you your life. And now you're afraid to go full rogue and oversee his impeachment?

Does he think MAGATs have not cancelled him already?

Afromentalist:
Kyrie spotted celebrating his sister birthday.

At this point the nets will regret not trading him for James harden. Wtf is wrong with that brother

Even KD go dey regret like this. Hitching the rest of his prime to a head case that cannot be held accountable

birdman:
didnt he make all star in his last year with utah? apart from injuries, I always get the feeling there is a mental block that prevents him from being a superstar. some days the guy will amaze you. other days, its like he is not on the court. celtics were hoping he would be larry birdesque. It just never worked out.

You're right. Consistency is not his strong suit and he can be passive on offense but he's a well rounded player. He does a lot of good things on the court when healthy and engaged

LordReed:
Whoever killed Martin Luther Jr thought the Civil Rights movement would fizzle out, its a mistake to think that Trump out of the picture will kill this maga thing.

Surely you can't be comparing civil rights movement to neo Nazis and fascist movements. That's unless you're telling us to prepare for WWIII/Armageddon type extinction level event which will fit in perfectly with end time prophecy

Dapcity007:
We will fight abortion to avoid Infant genocide
We prevent LGBTQ+ to avoid confusion and chaos
We continue to carry gun and bear arms to prevent tyranny and criminals especially those fatherless ones from Democrats single mothers and anti family values states

You want to prevent Gays and lesbians that have been existing since the time of Jesus? Lol una dey MENT?

If God wanted everyone straight he would have made them straight. People's sexual orientation is not your business. So long as it's between two consenting adults. That's between them and their creator

Their reproductive health is not your business too Mr Mussolini. Say na we will fight abortion. Clown

I've said my piece. If you right wing nut jobs spent more time developing tech platforms instead of being in other people's business you wouldn't be in this mess

wirinet:
If fraudulent ballots were cast in Pennsylvania, how then do you think Trump and his supporters should seek redress. Start a civil war? Or break up the union so Trump can be president of only his support base?

If African leaders follow Trump's example, then the continent would be in a State of perpetual civil war.

Trump is just making me appreciate president Jonathan more who stated, and I quote
"my ambition is not worth the blood of any Nigerian". And I was never a fan of President Jonathan.

Believe me, Trump can never win the violence he is trying to instigate.

Exactly. It's what I tell the Nigerian Trumpers. Replace Trump with Buhari and tell me how you would respond if Buhari lost in 2019 and was behaving in such a despotic manner

Just look at this ignorant Nigerian Trumpanzee for example.

feedthenation:
---The Q Shaman requests for organic food---

Hungry never waya am yet make e relax

sanpipita:
Conservatives haven't been planning for the future that's why, how will they create their platform when they are not progressive, left for them nobody will be using internet.

Even the parler they boast of is under threat by big tech, when liberals were investing in technology Conservatives were doing Bible and insha allah, for many years these people were preaching against technology now they are surprised they can't control it.

Next time let them learn JavaScript, PHP instead of worrying about abortion, people's sexual orientation and ability to carry guns. All which are of no use to them right now

AmazonTopaz:
With what the FBI is reporting about possible attack in all 50 states capitols.


It is obvious that Trumpism is not ending on January 20th it is going to outlive Trump.This problem came before Trump he only escalated it and it will outlive him whether or not people are abandoning him.Trumpism stays for now it is not ending anytime soon.

Obviously not. The question is would they have the numbers to be able to influence a Presidential election again. Will we ever see a scenario where independents and swing voters will see a polarizing candidate like Trump and pick a side rather than sitting on the fence

I don't think there is any doubt that there are enough Trumpies to cause unrest everywhere..