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This Brazilian Akpororo wey una buy. E be things

joviegghead:
Tesppidd, honestly, I don't really fancy Pele.

Maradona is better than Pele. So is Messi and Ronaldo.

People hail him(Pele) for scoring incredible amount of goals , when the truth is he spent 20 years playing in an under developed league where FC Santos were always beating other teams with crazy scorelines like 10-2, 8-0 and so on.

As for his world Cup win, he was just the most hyped player, probably because he was a local talent.
It's the same way some of the young players over there are hyped whenever they get called up to the national team. That Brazil team had other players who were banging in the goals.

Pele is nothing but an overhyped Legend.

I'm not sure you saw Pele at all.

You think the #10 on his back was for decoration

TalabiAudu:
Shey Conte wan crash out of the group stages again?

Na today?

Kimmich! Another banger!

FergieRaww:
This like a case of a broken relationship, you never cease to compare or talk bout your ex LoL

What is a Thiago my guy??

Kimmich and Coman should have put us 3 goals up by now. Smh

Fuckin hell. Them don equalize

Goretzka don dirty the net for first half.

Suprised Flick took him off start of the second half

Müller off as well but good to see Gnabry back. This 5 subs thing go really favor teams like us

When we said these people are not sincere some were here batting for them as if we don't know their antecedents

Oath of secrecy for Public Hearing? Where is that done?

seankafor:
the way naija politicians dey lie like say na fools and goats he is lying to..

If you must lie, take into cognisance that it's human being with brains you are lying to, not chairs and woods..
This probably telling us Nigerians that we can do nothing.. I mean the worst thing I learnt you can tell a man is he can do nothing.. but in this case I don't think we can do anything nonetheless.. the gorvenment has proven beyond doubt that there is nothing no one can do about things they do.. reason they churn out cheap and stupid lies that will make a new born toddler think twice if his brain is thwarted..

Otherwise tell me how a full grown man will come out and tell people that snake swallowed money..

I even heard they said the lagos gorvenment needs 1 trillion naira to fix damaged properties.. like not billions, trillion..
How much are they building akon city and many smart cities..that you will use 1 trillion naira to fix and replace brt buses..

Oh mehn I pity those dying for the country... Their deaths are all in vain ..that's the sad truth

Lmaoooo these people legit think we are stupid. See the stunt Fashola pulled. Who are their strategists because it's clear we are a joke to them.

I hope Nigerians moving forward are able to think beyond their stomachs and make mental notes about these set of leaders. I wouldn't put it past them to scatter as APC and morph into another party if this current government proves too unpopular.

Lol if Fashola can tell us he paid 76million for a government website why should 1trillion to rebuild Lagos surprise you. This is yet another opportunity to borrow us bankrupt and loot some more from this borrowed monies. God epp us

MorataFC:
a sane person can't support loss of lives and looting of property in any FORM of protest.

A friend of mine was narrating his ordeal how his mum lost close to hundred of millions in a single day, according to him ( though he might exaggerate the figure) 156 iphones and close to 400 of other brand mainly Samsung.
[ i for say na God catch the woman b'cos she talks anyhow to anybody, no regard to anyone that is not up to her standard even to her husband, she treats her workers as if they are nobody ] nonetheless I still pity her.

If Sam Adeyemi church was among of those building that were burnt down, his narrative would be different from what is up there,
Many cars were destroyed many shops were looted if yours (who is reading this post) is among, I'm sure your narrative will also be different.

I'm not in anyway support the government but the protesters actions are excessively overboard.

Looters different from EndSars protesters make we bone this thing. We know how it started and we know those who came midway to hijack it. They couldn't control their dogs and that is the carnage we are seeing now

Don't lump them together.

Ibime:
Without wishing to flog a dead horse, your facts above are at odds with the witness reports which stated 20 soldiers shot for 15-30 minutes (1st picture)

2nd picture shows the density of the crowd which is stretched out so far that the estimated 20-60 injuries would easily be caused by falling bullets

Approached Ibime not shot, there is no part of that article that shows any witness claiming 20 soldiers shot and at what frequency.

For all we know there were 20 soldiers and only 2 or 3 opened fire. I don't know where you got your 20 soldiers shooting from.

Ibime:
3rd picture shows the proximity of the soldiers to the front line of the protesters at the start of the shooting. Any sustained horizontal shooting would have led to dozens if not hundreds of fatalities. They don't need to aim at anything to claim hundreds of souls.

As Afrodoc said, shooting live rounds in the air to disperse a crowd is unacceptable in any civilised society which I agree with, but the maths of horizontal shooting into all these people at this distance does not add up.

As it stands we still don't know the exact numbers of casualties and fatalities

From where the soldiers stood to where the protesters are there would not be enough velocity in the bullets to get to the protesters and hurt so many if they were merely airshots. That math is not mathing right

I have conceded that there probably wasn't sustained horizontal shooting but sufficient enough to put fear in the hearts of the protesters so they don't overstep their boundaries and that is the damage we are seeing here.

If the soldiers shot merely airshots then going by your theory surely some of them might have been victims to 'falling bullets' as well

donlittle25:
Birdman and a40 fit don get pikin for covenant university or redeemer like this

Lmaoooo I never born yam talkless of human being. I just get awareness of these things from young age

afrodoc2:
So Sherlock Fashola Holmes travelled all the way from Abuja to Lagos and he was the first person to sight the camera with no difficulty. Camera that people had been searching for since last week.

Untouched and undamaged. The shamelessness and incompetence of this Government is amusing

LAWMA no see am, News agencies no see am, protesters and looters no see am.

So Fashola can see these things na him Boko Haram dey and we didn't see Chibok girls on time. Orisirisi

Ibime:
He only spoke about the 13 he took to Hospital. Fatalities may or may not come from his 13. I don't see reason for him lying about his 13 cos he confirmed fatalities from the ones he took to Hospital from Lekki-Ajah Police shootings. I have not disputed the 2 to 12 fatality figure. In a crowd of hundreds or thousands, the probability of 2 to 12 fatalities from strays is likely in a shooting incident, but does not correspond with the fatalities I'd expect from sustained and premeditated horizontal shooting from many soldiers which should number in the hundreds if I'm being frank. In a civilised society, this would be called a massacre but in Nigerian context, the number of fatalities speaks to routine army behaviour of shooting in the air with a few strays.

And yet we have multiple sources confirming deaths even the governor. I know it's highly unlikely that the body count is up to 70+ as some were alluding but you would have to be naïve to think the count would not run into the double figures. Btw 10-20

I have already conceded it is unlikely all 4 officers could have been shooting horizontally but I don't believe for even one second that none of them did so. That is simply not true and air shots will not bring that many casualties

When you shoot people and leave them for dead it's a massacre, using Nigerian context just shows we are animals with zero regards for human life. That is part of the problem

Ibime:
It is human nature to rush a gunshot victim to the closest Hospital(s). The only reason to take them further afield is if they need imminent surgery and Theatre capacity is full as we saw in your video. Of the 13 injured that guy rushed to Hospital, only one was advised for further transfer due to theatre capacity. This speaks to low velocity injuries rather than horizontal shooting.

Remember these hospitals have limited capacity. Most likely at least 3 hospitals received victims of bullet wounds in double figures. The video is only one part

This hospital said they received over 20 with about two or three in critical condition.

Ibime:
The video I saw showed two injured but very much alive protesters being taken to the soldiers from the back. If the soldiers had shot horizontally, it's the people in the front that would have dropped. You can also corroborate with the video from the high-rise building, and there were no multiples of bodies with the soldiers, nor did they cart away multiple bodies. The people videoing from the high-rise have a bird's eye view of the incident and are not in danger and have no reason not to document the reality. The fact people in the front were still facing and videoing the soldiers as they took the injured to them shows they were not under horizontal attack.

This is not entirely accurate. We can't say for sure that nobody in the front was hit. The videos don't capture any actual moments where bullets hit people so you can't definitively say this

Also what happened to the people that were dumped with the army? Did the people then later go back to carry the bodies they initially dumped in front of the army for treatment? That doesn't add up.

I don't know the videos you saw but the ones I did definitely had dead people in it. There was this one with an old gentleman with a green cap on traditional wear and he was most definitely dead

Ibime:
That may be the work of a stray bullet or an errant shot, but you can catch a bullet to any part of the body depending on how dispersed the crowd is and the angle of the air-shot. This is why celebratory gunfire is banned in most cities cos bullet must land, and in a packed protest, you have high chance of bullets landing on people with low impact. Remember say na celebratory gunfire wey Okonkwo take kill pesin for Things Fall Apart that got him banished from Umuofia. Also we are talking about Nigeria here where patients often bleed out from intermediate wounds, where there is no Public health capacity and limited private health capacity. This is not the West where they can save many lives from major severity wounds with a lot of public health capacity to treat the injured in a terrorist incident. In Nigeria, you would likely die from an intermediate severity wound especially when capacity is stretched. Which leads me to deduce that we are talking mostly about minor wounds from falling bullets.

You couldn't possibly generate that many casualties from airshots. The variety of injuries I've seen are certainly not the products of air shots and are not consistent with parts of the body that air shots are capable of hitting.

The more realistic possibility is that there were brief periods of horizontal shooting which was limited due to the weapon capacity on ground.

Ibime:
What is there to aim for when shooting into a massed crowd? You can't miss. We have seen videos of protesters at the front taking injured protesters to the army who are 10 metres away. 5 soldiers at that range will kill far more than any single Vegas shooter shooting from hotel window. An AK-47 can dispose a 30 round clip in 3 seconds and can let off 600 rounds per minute so why won't 5 soldiers at that range do way more damage than the Vegas shooter?

You would definitely need to aim to get maximum carnage. People are running so it's not like they are sitting still while the shooting went on. Ability of the shooter and quality of weaponry on ground is the difference between 5 dead and say 50 dead.

The soldiers shot for 30 seconds the Vegas shooter shot for 10 minutes. Also your AK-47 breakdown missed out a few caveats. You would need a full cycle rate on purely automatic mode to generate anything close to 600 rounds

We all heard those shots. They were most likely semi autos which will give you 40-50 rounds per minute at best. Nowhere close to the ARs Paddock used at max capacity

Long story short. The Vegas shooter was working with vastly superior ammunition and firepower. An AR15 is superior and capable of far more damage than an AK-47

Ibime:
The casualty count and severity of injuries is more consistent with stray bullets and falling bullets in a crowded area. The fatality rate is nowhere near high enough to suggest there was any sustained horizontal firing by even one soldier. It may speak to one or two seconds burst of horizontal firing by one soldier which you can call stray bullets. I'm only calling it stray cos I can't determine at this stage if it is premeditated from command, or from few seconds of errant soldier behaviour or genuine misfiring error. The initial reports of 49 deaths is what made me think it was premeditated from command but the actual numbers materialising forces me by logic to veer toward the other two possibilities.

Let's agree to disagree because I don't buy this argument that there was no horizontal shooting and bullets merely fell from the sky and somehow lodged into over 50 people within 30 seconds to one minute of fire

Ibime:
The same guy in this video is the same guy in larrides video who said none of the 13 injured he took to Hospital died.

In this video, a doctor confirms casualties and deaths from the Lekki shooting...where is that white powder sniffer? 🙄#LekkiMassaccre pic.twitter.com/pVjanP3AaC

— Adetutu Balogun, MBA (@Tutsy22) October 25, 2020

But it turns out he was wrong. Sanwo Olu also went from zero deaths to two deaths and we both know this lying government is downplaying this thing

Ibime:
The doctor saying he has one dead in this video is not inconsistent with what I've said about a small handful of fatalities from strays or a few seconds of errant soldier shooting. If this is the closest Hospital to the tollgate, and it stands to reason that you would rush injured victims to the closest Hospital, and you have doctors confirmation of one death so far, this is consistent with stray bullets rather than any sustained horizontal shooting. Also knowing the Theatre capacity of Hospitals in UK, much less local Nigerian hospitals, I can tell you for free that most of the injured survived without Theatre treatment which is consistent with low impact injuries. This doctor even confirms in this video that this hospital only has one theatre and it is currently occupied, and yet has a number of injured whose death should have materialised within a couple of hours within a couple of hours if they had major impact injuries.

Ibime are you telling me that all the bodies that were shot in that firestorm were recovered and taken to the hospital? Do you honestly believe that? Remember this is just one hospital. People were taken to other hospitals as well

Those bodies that were dumped in front of the soldiers where are they? Who accounts for those bodies?

You can't catch a stray to the heart from air shots. You can't have scores of injuries from air shots. That's not how ballistics work

Ibime:
@ bolded, that's just it. It can't be more than that. You can't tell me Soldiers will shoot automatics consistently into a crowd and there won't be multiple fatalities running into hundreds even. A single Las Vegas gunman killed 58 and injured 850 in 9 mins of shooting from distance in his hotel room and most of those in the first couple of minutes, before everyone scampered and ducked and he started picking people out. Guy, I won't suspend logic even though my sympathies are with the protesters and for the first couple of days after the shooting, I called it a massacre on here, but none of the evidence has stacked up to being more than the usual army shooting in the air with strays and falling bullets. Everything about Lekki tollgate from every video to no of casualties is consistent with army riot behaviour of shooting in the air with a few strays. That's why we always warn about strays when going to protests.

That is not a good example. Are you seriously comparing the Vegas shooter that used 22 Automatic rifles and fired over a 1000 rounds?

The Vegas shooter used maybe 10 times more ammunition than the Army and shot for far longer so they couldn't possibly generate the same number of casualties. Not because they didn't want to but because they didn't have that kind of ammunition. Remember it was also dark so vision is another factor compared to the Vegas shooter who was shooting in a well lit environment

Like I said before. It's a lot more plausible if you said some soldiers shot vertically while others shot horizontally. But to suggest those bullets merely rained from the sky and somehow pierced over 40-60 people. That is fantasy.

The casualty count is high enough to suggest that this was not just a crowd control effort

Roland17:
@A40..You better come out now and pay the GOAT his due homage!!

Did you see how he shredded the Texans!!!!

You better be RESPECTFUL and watch it while you are it!!!!

The Texans are 1-4 mate

Ibime:
DJSwitch had live video running for over one hour and didn't show one dead body. Seeing someone lieing on the ground from a distance, you could easily thinks it's a dead body when it's an injured person. This guy is responsible for evacuating most of the injured and the fact he evacuated 13 people and none died is consistent with low impact wounds from falling bullets.


The dead bodies would be proof that the Army shot directly at protestors. That Nigerian army shoot in the air during protests is not news and the injuries are consistent with that.



Armies do this all the time. . . the reason they would do so is so they don't get roped in to the bodies the Police dropped at Lekki-Ajah axis, because media will hang those bodies on them and they will not be able to explain their way out of it.

In this video, a doctor confirms casualties and deaths from the Lekki shooting...where is that white powder sniffer? 🙄#LekkiMassaccre pic.twitter.com/pVjanP3AaC

— Adetutu Balogun, MBA (@Tutsy22) October 25, 2020

Go through this video. I have posted others as well with several people lying on the ground. It's rather bold of you to assume people who were lying on the floor bleeding out without timely medical attention would survive. That is a naively optimistic thought process.

You can hear them say someone was literally shot in the heart so why are you clutching on to this theory that bullets simply rained from the sky

The best case scenario is that not all the armed personnel shot horizontally but I'm sorry it's nigh impossible to have such high casualty count from airshots

BlueRayDick:
Now I believe what A40 said that that government has set machinery in motion for gaslighting. It's quite unfortunate we have people like that amongst us.

1. Yesterday airmark posted this Anthony boy's picture as one of the victims of the lekki massacre, Chidekings here boldly told us the boy didn't die as at the toll gate but in an accident.


2. Airmark probed him further how he came about that information and he boldly said the guy is from his village and they are making efforts to take his body home.( see attached screenshot of his response which someone quoted. NOTE: HE has since edited that response but thank God it was quoted).

3. Now fast forward to this evening I saw a video of the boy's mother speaking about the death of his son at the toll gate. (See link below)

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGxV5CKpSwo/?igshid=1bb5wnw8lqtrz

4. Did u notice in the video where the mother thanked his friends who took his corpse and not let the army take it like they did others?

5. Can we all agree that we may not actually know the actual figure of the dead, but there's some serious cover up going on. It's unfortunate some of we the youths are helping the government achieve their goal.

I'm exhausted. If they want to lie, deny and bury their heads in the sand who am I to stop them.

However so long as there is air in my lungs I will always call out this massacre for what it was. Because I'm no different and no more special than those that were killed

https://twitter.com/LewisHamilton/status/1320320015028113408?s=19

This guy has won me over. Respect

birdman:
He was poisoned to death, and his notorious aide de camp Mustapha confirmed as much. The most info anyone has on the culprits is that it was a long planned plot to off Abacha and had to have been in play for while to intercept the foriegn women who would brought to Abacha. Highest on the list of suspects are SW elements, with Diya playing some kind of role. Why? Because it turns out that when Abacha had arrested Diya for treason, there really was a plot to take Abacha down. But the threat was so vague Abacha could never quite pinpoint what it was, and Diya knelt and cried like he was innocent

Of course we all knew Abacha was a mad dog that needed to be put down and like you said that was an intricate plot by people at the top not necessarily protesters, The older generation didn't really do anything to Abacha. Fortunately the higher brass of military shared the same aim when it became clear Abacha was going to overstay his welcome

birdman:
Many of the APC stalwarts you see today served some good jail time for protesting under Abacha, plotting ways to keep Abacha on his toes. Countless others died like fowl. See big men like Pa Rewane, etc taken out just like that.

These are things youth have to be taught. The future may belong to you, but if you dont respect the past, you will repeat the same mistakes.

I don't really know about that. Who are the notable APC stalwarts that we can point to that did jail time under Abacha? As far as I remember Tinubu ran away, Buhari was PTF head under Abacha

First and foremost I don't think it was going to be realistic to even topple or overthrow anybody. What I'm happy the youth did or attempt to do was to show the level of rot and the level of hunger in the land that allows so many anomalies to thrive. Now that we have established that APC and PDP are both peas of same pod. How do we inject a completely different breed of guys who let's face it might not be perfect but who would at least be willing to make things work

donlittle25:
Bro, the truth is we are sitting on a ticking time bomb. If care is not taken in the next few weeks, it will be chaos.

It's why I'm so upset that people are busy discrediting protests, falling for the government propaganda and playing ostrich.

Nigeria is not working for a lot of people and you have the few people it's working for keep pretending that it's ok, you have the others who it's barely working for but are too scared to complain and demand better joining government to spread lies and faux propaganda just to pretend like things are OK

There is hunger in the land the type that we have never seen before in peacetime. Youths are hungry and angry and are not thinking like human beings anymore. I just hope these protests achieve the bigger aim which is to highlight just how much misrule has been going and for the youths to channel their anger wisely especially in 2023, but to start doing the groundwork now

After seeing this Musiala play I just want to know what is Brazzo's fetish with CHO. This kid has a much higher ceiling. Why we dey drag ourselves into yeye for this Hudson Odoi when a gem like Musiala is in possession

Good to see Sané back and on the scoresheet as well.

Hopefully Gnabry shakes off the COVID quickly and the cooking can continue

https://twitter.com/OlayinkaLere/status/1319988081638998019?s=19

Lol Soldiers telling people to loot peacefully

Fire fire in our country country give me plenty water make I quench the fire

Bunsenbun:
I Feel "massacre" Is Too Strong a word for the lekki incident.

Why? When you shoot unarmed people with intention to kill and are ill equipped to fight back what do we call it?

biomustry:
Wallahi Nigerians get serious problems, forget south, east north or religion. It's just there. Imagine the greediness, It’s inhuman and soulless for Government agencies to keep such stockpiles of foodstuffs while millions of people go to bed hungry.

And they will feign innocence but won't punish the erring parties. Almost every state hoarded this food. These protests just show that this country is sitting on a powder keg. Will we sit down and actually make sincere commitment to solve these issues? Watch out on the next episode of Dragonball Z

birdman:
I beg to disagree Baba - taking out the IBB/Abacha combo and moving to an OBJ democracy was not a small feat for that generation. Even driving past SSS HQ back then, you couldn't even look at the building, that was the level of fear. Back then even big men were not exempt - if you were non-military, anything can happen.

Did they really take them out? Let's just thank God Abacha died because our matter for worse pass Cameroon. Have you forgotten all the 5 political parties had nominated Abacha as their sole presidential candidate

birdman:
Today's youths have cell phones, which allowed them to communicate and we can see whats happening real time. By the time govt realized what was happening, it was too late to stop them. Back then, communication was via newspapers and TV, which govt could clamp down on, then use divide and conquer to tribalize everything.

Of course cellphones and technology make things easier but realize too that it makes it easier for Government people to also monitor and feel the pulse of the people. It manifested in these protests too, they were able to infiltrate the system, spread misinformation and plant doubts in the mind of the fencists

birdman:
Internet has also been huge - now youth can see what obtains in other countries. Even when you try to go to fellow African nations and you see how they treat your passport, you return home with even more anger. Back then, most of us didnt really know how far behind we were.

The biggest one that no one is talking about is the covid lockdown. It had the same effect in the states - restricting movement for that long allowed people time to stop being distracted and focus

If there were cell phones at the june 12 riots, things woulda been different, most likely Nigeria would not exist.

Nigeria is a country that has long had an overbloated image of its importance in the international community. Nobody rate us like that again. We are a laughing stock

People were frustrated, schools on strike, underpaid and under utilized youth. And people are hungry. Guyyy people dey H

I believe whether cell phones existed or not it's still going to boil down to the will of people. How far were they willing to take this fight.

Were we ready to go the Sudan route? Because that was what it was going to take

SmooshCHN:
I knew shit was about to go down when they mentioned come guys came to remove cameras. I just didn't think the government would commit such atrocity in 2020. It's crazy.

The single annoying thing for me was the fact that this government went and attacked soft targets. The softest of targets. This is equivalent of Boko Haram raiding a crèche and going to kill babies. That Lekki ground wey peaceful die.

I don't know if I would ever look at our Army the same. Any army capable of murdering it's citizens on their own soil is not fit for purpose

donlittle25:
Bro what i saw in the first 12 days made me believe but in the last 2 days, it damaged my spirit not going to lie. That was too much, worse is everyone denying it.

Here's the thing. Today's youths we got a little too cocky even trolling the older ones instead of picking their brains and finding out what they did right or wrong

Government don't play fair and people didn't realize this till it was late. Maybe we were fooled because this was supposed to be a 'democracy'

Any protest or active upheaval against the state people go die. That's the truth but in this case it was annoying to me that the government and army was too cowardly to even admit they were responsible

benji93:
This hypothetical sutuation is quite interesting. Back in 2018 It would have been hard to argue against it. But fast forward to their loss to the same golden state side the year after, I cannot but look back and say that, they would have found a way to bottle it even with Chris Paul. Unless ofcourse you wanna argue that GSW's system without KD was just better at beating the Rockets.

Good you said back in 2018, because the Rockets of 2018 and 2019 were not the same thing. Same way the Spurs of 2014 were not the same as the Spurs of 2015

They won 12 fewer games. That's a sharp drop

Kai. That injury looked pretty serious. Hope he makes a full recovery

Jerome BoaTANK making his 330th appearance for Bayern

Lewangoalski with the opener. Clearly this Sane arrival is the best thing that can happen for Coman. He's been balling out of his mind since he returned

nairamaniac:
The warriors at their best just seems unbeatable. And if they were to be beaten, the other team needed to be twice as good as they usually are.

I don't believe they were unbeatable but that's just me. I saw a team that was dragged to 7 games and a half time deficit by James Harden and CP3 (who missed the final two games) I struggle to believe that there is no team in the history of basketball that would have beaten them if the Rockets were able to do that. I'm sorry I don't buy it

nairamaniac:
I agree, heat had a far deeper roster thru those years.

Good. Progress

nairamaniac:
Phil Jackson and the Lakers did above expectations by winning 2 years straight championships.
That laker team wasn't star studded.
The Lakers team that added Payton and Malone had less chemistry/fire than before their arrivals.

All the same, Dynasties don't last Forever.

But don't bring in the Phil Jackson factor like he was an unbeatable coach. He lost series as the favorites especially with the Lakers

The addition of Payton and Malone or lack of chemistry were not a factor for me. That team ran through the West. The truth is Kobe played poorly and Phil Jackson did not adjust or have any answers for Larry Brown's defense and coaching after winning Game 1