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Roland17:
I dey tell you!!! But, I think they showed glimpses of renewal in the loss to LeBum and the Lakers.

Sexton looks like a decent prospect. Much better than the ridiculously hyped Trae Young. They can do much better than their record.

Phoenix have been the biggest disappointment. Their refusal to play defense means TJ Warren and Devin Booker's primes would likely be wasted

Pelicans lost, Suns outplaying the Bucks

The Cavs are blowing out Philly. Lol of all teams to end their home streak. Why we were telling that chap to stop betting on regular season NBA

Afolabi6046:
i can't agree with this, Mr Logic said any sensible person won't argue that Alonso is better

Why is there a need for all of us to agree all the time? If P-Square can disagree then how much we wey no relate

Afolabi6046:
I need you to reply clearly. We've proven that Alonso would eventually have more point than Walker, so is Alonso better than Walker?

What does Walker do exceptionally in attack or defense? Anyway comparing them is like arguing who is more lyrical between Wizkid and Lil Pump. Neither here nor there

Roland17:
Please read carefully and completely.

Firstly, let me state that it is unnecessary to knock down other coaches because there is an argument against Kerr. People forget that everything Kerr learned as a coach was because he played under Phil Jackson (Bulls) and Greg Popovic (Spurs). Kerr took these playing lessons to the NBA as a coach, tweaked, revised, adjusted and created his system. Let me remind people that he was never an assistant, neither was he around the court after he retired. He was an NBA analyst and before that, he had a management stint with the Sixers, I think. All he knew was from both coaches who I still regard as the greatest minds (alongside Chuk Daly and Jerry Sloan).

Now that I have that out of the way, It would be definitely unfair to argue that Kerr is an overrated coach, however, I will entertain the argument that he is not a great tactician/ strategist. I am not sure a lot of us understand how difficult it is to coach this team and that is where Kerr does not get a lot of credit. In comparison to Jackson, Kerr's style of leadership defers accountability to the players and the players make important decisions regarding themselves. Case in point, sources have it that the players made the decision to suspend Green without pay, not Kerr. The Warriors team was built to succeed with numbers, basically, numbers in strength and this is how Kerr has coached this team since he took over. Last season when KD went down, they struggled and when the postseason came, you could see the difference when the team was healthy. Individually the Warriors struggle but as a team, they are potent. You listen to what KD said after last night's game, "if you take a piece out of this team, we struggle".

My argument is different because Kerr is a rigid coach who plays without alternatives. He sticks to his original strategy, I am not sure if it is because he is stubborn or because he is scared of altering what has made the team successful. There have been games, particularly during the postseason when you expect adjustments because the issues are glaring but you still see the same strategy and sometimes the team loses (the famous choke finals series) and other times, the individual talent of the players pulls them through. There is also the angle that lesser unknown and unsuccessful assistants achieved great results when Kerr was away, albeit under his established system. Walton rode that luck and system into a head coaching position with the Lakers and truth be told, it is only a matter of time and not when before Walton is gone if the Lakers have championship ambitions. But again, while Walton and Brown may have used Kerr's system, there were moments during that run when Walton had to coach during timeouts and this did not require Kerr's input because timeout situations are different. Throughout Kerr's reign, he has not had to deal with the ego of the players spilling into bad blood between players. The Green v KD is my litmus test on how he handles this new situation because the players know there is an elephant in the room that may not be addressed until after the season.

The Warriors team was a great defensive unit before Kerr arrived but Kerr opened up the offense and exploited the already great defense with his philosophy of ball movement, rather than ISO basketball with Monta. I think the biggest piece is how ownership built this team when they chose to move away from Ellington and got Bogut from the Bucks. Bogut changed everything for that team going forward even though he did not stay healthy. Kerr has coached and succeeded with the Warriors for the most part while coaching his core, this is the first run he would be without his core and they are struggling and that is where I have my question about his rating as an all time.

Like @ A40 said, being considered or an argument about being 'overrated" does not mean you are not a good coach, it only means people want to see more in different scenarios to make a better argument for your case. Erik Spoelstra and Rick Carlisle are 2 coaches I respect because they are great tactical minds. Everyone was convinced the Heats would struggle after the Big 3 left but Spoelstra has found a way to keep that team competitive, in fact, he got the heat to the 3rd seed after Bron left and that is the biggest difference between him and Ty Lue who was a product of Lebron's greatness. Carlisle took a lesser talented Mavs side with a sick superstar to the finals and beat Bron and his assembly. I think it would be interesting to see how he coaches the Warriors after some of the core leave or slow down because of age. Last season, I was very clear that the Warriors have to manage Curry carefully after he turned 30 because he is tHe sticking point for this team.

This is a very fantastic piece! I think it's easy to forget how hard it can be to motivate in November a team that is already tuned to Spring time basketball and then to do it for 3 to 4 straight years. It also helps that Kerr is unafraid to borrow ideas and implement. I recall one of his video guys advising him to bench Bogut in the 15 Finals and start Iggy

You raised a glut of solid points that I can't help but agree with and I'd also add that the major reason why some might consider Kerr overrated because of his struggles thus far and assuming it stays that way is that you would expect a team with KD and Klay Thompson to be able to cope with the absence of Steph regardless of playing style.

Star players go down in sports all the time but I don't know a team in the league better equipped to cope with the loss of a star than Golden State. The mantra is Strength in Numbers but what is happening atm is an antithesis to that creed. Ask around the league and I doubt any coach would buy the absence of Steph as an excuse for the team struggling thus far. Anyway time will ultimately tell. Like I said KD and Klay are definitely enough for this team to at least compete

Manutd19:
Eruditor will still say he isn't. Every man to his own opinion though.
Kerr isn't as good as advertised imo.
Yes, he changed the style of play when he got there and was blessed with players that fits perfectly.
However, dude is yet to do any special thing apart from that and always get away with criticism.

I think the playoffs would be the ultimate judge but for now Steve has to just coach. Steph or no Steph a lot of teams are scrapping in the league without a recognizable All-Star never mind two. I doubt the rest of the league is sympathetic towards their plight right now. The lack of effort in the games against quality opposition (Rockets, OKC) is alarming

Why are the Spurs and Celtics just falling my hand endlessly?

DeRozan really balling but this his refusal to master the 3-ball is really limiting his ceiling. How can you in the last 8 games attempt just 10 3's and miss them all?

aliondo:
That's what i was trying to explain to Eruditor....For e.g Durant and Curry or maybe just Curry(cause you could argue the West is tougher than the East) gets injured till the season is over,will Kerr be able to spring up a good surprise temporary replacement to be able to take them through the playoffs and possibly NBA finals??Just as we saw what Brad did with Marcus Morris,Rozier and Brown when Hayward and later Kyrie got injured till the season was over...Who expected a Rozier to show up like that in the playoffs?

This season should give a clearer picture. Though I believe teams would legit go out and throw their best at Golden State just because it's Golden State. I still don't know if he would be able to cope without his main guys for a sizeable period of time. He's not really had to deal with adversity or coaching sides with declining and flat out old and past their prime players like Pop was doing with Ginobili, Duncan etc. Also his adjustments in the heat of the playoffs always makes me look at him with side eye

I wouldn't say he is overrated as much as I wouldn't say a Bill Walsh is overrated because forging out a style everyone wants to copy is not easy but if you believe he is overrated based on what he's had to work with so far, it's perfectly understandable

Remember overrated does not mean bad, it simply means not as good as advertised

KNIGHTBlaed:
Just save your money and don't bet on any team in the present NBA. You even get luck say this season you still fit predict, last season was weird at this stage. At least you should pick some games that you are 90% sure for a win, not a game like OKC/Kings (Kings dey mad form and Fox's balling out of his mind), same with Pacers & Hornets and Memphis... I knew they would win yesterday

Lol this is even worse than last season. Imagine the Celtics losing to the Knicks. Cavs barely won! Some days you just got to sit the punting out.

Another option is to look for player prop bets. Those ones are more value for money than carrying the usual win/lose markets

eph12:
You can see how badly positioned Boateng was that he had to make a clearance budee instead of simply intercepting and passing on to his teammate. LaPorte would have done much better there

Intercept and pass at the goal line? Is it Jasper United or which academy them teach you this one?

patrickmuf:
Its been long, no vex if I misrepresent your stance. I know for sure that Dayo gave Loew thumbs up.

Afraid catch me oh. You even talk am twice with confidence

patrickmuf:
Half truths, the ones who said Sane is overrated are fans of Germany and Bayern here, I remember the argument that eschewed when Sane was omitted from the German team for the Mundial, many of us thought it was unfair but Dayo and A40 argued otherwise, don't attempt to pin this one on EPL fans, it won't stick.
As for Sterling, everybody here (EPL fans) acknowledges the vast improvement of Sterling, his only criticism is that he doesn't do or perform as well as he does for City when he turns up for the three lions.
G. Jesus is not under hyped, only time I can remember folks here talking down on him is when Pep somewhat shockingly picked him ahead of Kun. That was the period Dayo erroneously opined that Aguero was past it.
John Stones still polarizes opinion, he is a good passer of the ball and is very comfortable with the ball at his feat but can he defend? I'll leave you to answer that or more suiting, refer to Ibime's argument on why Laporte is not getting a look in by Deschamps.
Bernardo Silva is class, he might have struggled when he first joined City and that might have influenced the position people took. You should make reference to what a section of fans say, if we also check the threads of Barca and Madrid, don't you lots also underrate and overrate players? This beef against EPL clubs or City rivals because of Pep doesn't make sense.
As for Mendy, the jury is still out on him.
Walker was and in some instances still goes for pace and power rather than use his brain, even Pep admitted that he needed to work on him to play more with his head, so I don't get your point.

Me that was livid Loew dropped Sane for the WC? Why are you lying authoritatively like this?

Manutd19:
Is Kerr not overrated?

Depends on how you look at it. He formed the identity of the present day Warriors but you could argue the talent was already there. Personally I don't think he is but I wouldn't put him up there with say a Greg Pop or Phil Jackson.

What I would like to see is how he fares when faced with adversity over an extended period. I think this is where I can understand if you think he is overrated since he has not faced such test thus far.

@Roland17 Jaylen Brown has completely gone to shyte. This dude is missing layups now

Luka Doncic. This kid is a gem! This is the first better player they have drafted since Josh Howard back in 03

I guess that's why they got Jimmy Butler then. Another game of the season candidate.

KEMBA WALKER!!

Kemba Walker going at this Philly team all by himself. Mad Ting

If the Mavericks have sense they better ditch DeAndre Jordan this summer and get Nikola Vucevic

Roland17:
The relationship between Rodgers and McCarthy is already strained. They have been passively aggressive towards each other’s role in our current situation and I mean from last season. It’s time for Brian Gutekunst to make his first major decision. We have not drafted well over the last 3 NFL drafts because we have wasted our 1st round picks on the corner and safety positions for 3 consecutive seasons.
The Packers need a reset button and that means McCarthy needs to go. He should have been gone after last season but we sacrificed Dom Capers and rightfully so because the defense was altrocious last season.

He's supposed to be an offensive coordinator so I'm a bit surprised at his highly risk averse style. It took him more than half the season to discover his best Running Back as well

Lool you guys passed on TJ Watt despite the fact that he played right under your nose in WI. Clay Matthews is aging and would have been a future replacement.

Definitely McCarthy has to go at this point. This offense is too stagnant to compete with the likes of the Rams, Saints and other NFC heavyweights

Manutd19:
Warriors would be stupid to give him max.
Guy has average offense.
Draymond is a $10m a year player at best if not for the money craze in d leaugue now.

I wholly agree the Warriors would be dumb to give Draymond any type of Max especially as he is showing he cannot function sans Steph offensively. He's an important piece to what they do defensively but paying Green max up till his age 34/35 season would put the Warriors in a tight corner for a long time

Noticed too that Kyrie really showed his passing abilities tonight. I lost count of how many open looks he kept creating that his mates just kept bricking in the first half especially

Uncle Drew!! This is the guy Boston lacked in the playoffs last season. An unguardable closer.

This game is proper flames. Kawhi and Kyrie are in BeastMode

Roland17:
When he decided to punt rather than go for the 4th and 2, I gave up on McCarthy. I would have no problems with him getting fired. I already said we were done for the season after the loss to the Patriots.

I'd be really pissed if I was Rodgers and would seriously consider lobbying for his sack. I don't like coaches that don't trust in their star players

Manutd19:
They aren't, especially Draymond.

Draymond is overrated. He thinks he's an all-star for real.
They better not lose KD cos they will not be relevant anymore excelt they get an AD, Kawhi to replace KD

The next two summers would be very interesting. Klay Thompson is due an extension and word on the street is he won't be giving any discounts

Draymond is due in 2020 and would be eligible for a super-max if he makes the All NBA team or wins DPOY. Though based on his play so far it doesn't look like he's a threat to crack either list, still he's always said he took less so they could get KD on board.

After 4 or 5 rings you get the feeling a guy like Draymond would want to secure the bag plus would the Warriors be willing to pay Draymond such a contract till he is 35 is another question

aliondo:
I am not understanding this Melo's situation...He and the Rockets have parted ways but his name still remains on the roster...So the Rockets are still going to pay him but he won't play....Is that how bad Melo is?? :oMaybe i'm wrong tho?

He's a free agent so he can't be moved till Mid-December

@Roland17
Your Packers should kiss the playoffs goodbye at this point. And while I still think Aaron Rodgers is a bit overrated this una coach no be am

birdman:
Melo isnt better off on any team man. These TNT folks keep making Melo the victim.

Could it be, after the third team, Melo IS the issue? I get that a player of Melo's caliber should start. But if he cant play at that level anymore, isnt it time to exit the league. Or be like Vince Carter and enjoy being an elder statesman

Lmaooo I don't know if D'Antoni completely forgave Melo for what happened with the Knicks. 10 games is an awfully short time to quit on a player but it's hard to argue with the results.

Melo is unfortunately that guy that refused to evolve as a player and is thus persona non grata on any team that has Championship ambitions. I still think he can play in this league. There are teams that can use his scoring, but in what doses and how much humble pie is he willing to eat and accept he's just not that guy anymore

Draymond Green 0-5-5

Klay Thompson 5/16

I hope these are not the guys that would be asking for max deals in the next two summers. It would be fun to see these guys carry their own teams with this kind of inconsistency

birdman:
bwahahaha...who knew it would be the rockets to do this

Legs were still fresh. Everyone knew the scoring pace would be unsustainable