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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 10:08pm On Mar 31, 2018
Oldest Bayern squad in recent times. Not too bad for Arugbo FC.

Saw the Sevilla game up till half time, We definitely have to match their tempo in the start and not concede any goals. I'm fairly confident we would put minimum of two goals past their back line with Lewy and World Cup Mueller's form.

Thank God Batsuya was shut down today. Some people no for let us hear word
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 6:23pm On Mar 31, 2018
Loool na massacre mode we dey so! 5-0 and its not yet halftime
SportsRe: Mixed Martial Arts Fan Thread: UFC, Bellator Etc by A40(m): 6:17pm On Mar 31, 2018
olabode89:
Bro! Don't underestimate DC. He use to be a heavyweight and he defeated guys like Josh Barnett. DC has also got good wrestling and dirty boxing.

Mohammed Lawal aka King Mo is of Naija descent but he was born and raised in US.
Man it's hard not to. I think it would be the equivalent of the Damaan miracle for Cormier to beat Miocic

He is at least 6inches shorter with a huge disparity in reach. Another key thing to why Stipe is so good is his cardio, his stamina is insane! and I have never seen such from a heavy weight. He can wrestle. Owns a granite chin and can knock you into next week. The guy is the total package.

When I saw Lawal I know say na Nigerian but I no know say na son of their soil not runaway soldier, Lol
SportsRe: Mixed Martial Arts Fan Thread: UFC, Bellator Etc by A40(m): 2:09pm On Mar 31, 2018
tobianthony:
Actually I'm not even thinking about that fight my dude .

There are so many fights right now ...all I know is DC actually played a part in getting Stipe a better deal for the fight . Uncle Dana is just something else when it comes to paying fighters .

All my attention is on UFC 223 .

Will soon start my countdown thread or might just do it here ...

Francis got schooled by Stipe ... experience matters ...the UFC didn't want Stipe to win ...as they thought Francis was more bankable than the silent killer fireman . I think Francis should fight two others and then let's see where he's at .

King mo ...let me find out .
I'm not really gingered by this upcoming card tbvh

Dana is all about how many PPV buys you can get him. He no send anybody. That's why he follows Brock Lesnar up and down like almajiri even if he tests positive for banned stuff 100 times.

I'm not surprised Ngannou lost to Stipe. The man's chin is made of granite and is the most well-rounded heavyweight I've seen in a long time. Who's out there for Ngannou to fight? I'd like to see him and Velasquez who is still in hibernation. There is a serious dearth of young heavyweights rn. All these guys in the title contending picture are all 35 years or older.
SportsRe: Mixed Martial Arts Fan Thread: UFC, Bellator Etc by A40(m): 1:59pm On Mar 31, 2018
tobianthony:
Chael is a mutha fuka was just watching his fight with Jones and Silva weeks ago .

He gives a lot of insight on YouTube tho .
You can't help but love Chael. Dude can sell fire in hell. His personality and ability to sell a fight is topnotch
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 11:55am On Mar 30, 2018
MitrikDenholm:
Nope. Not until June.

Yuup Embiid. Been the best center in the league this year since boogie is out. Plus he's a candidate for DPOY.

Alright I will bet money, but you will bet something else.
Whatever man, when the seeds are set and we confirm Kyrie's status we can proceed. This better be good

Embiid is no first team all-NBA mate. Second or third maybe. As for DPOY I'd rank Gobert higher than Embiid.

Lol it never ends well for these players that ruin my DFS. First it was D'Angelo and now Embiid. Lou Williams seems like the only person immune to my fury thus far
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 11:50am On Mar 30, 2018
DevdanSanguine:
In addition to your man sharing physical similarities with the cartoon character Popeye, he shares the figurative traits with the famed delicacy of the popeyes restaurant chain, chicken. A restraining order? Seriously? cheesy

http://amp.tmz.com/2018/03/29/deontay-wilder-anthony-joshua-restraining-order-boxing?__twitter_impression=true
You believe this shyte? It's phuckin TMZ
SportsRe: Mixed Martial Arts Fan Thread: UFC, Bellator Etc by A40(m): 10:49am On Mar 30, 2018
olabode89:
Hahahaha

GSP is going crazy grin grin

Dude is suffering from over training, too much sparing and excessive hit to the head. His stories on UFOs, alien and co are a clear sign of the problem he is facing. Take nothing away from the dude though he is the greatest welterweight of all time. Plus he is super dedicated to the sport of MMA.
Aren't they all facing one demon or the other? It's a really crazy sport.

I want to know whose idea it was to put Daniel Cormier vs Miocic. Left for me I would rather Ngannou got another shot. He's the only one that didn't get destroyed like Cormier likely would.

Btw is King Mo from Bellator Nigerian? I gbadun him two fights with Rampage Jackson
Music/RadioRe: What Music Are You Listening To Right Now? by A40(m): 7:48pm On Mar 29, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OeMjLVCGJs.

South Africa has left us behind at everything even music. Smh.

Song of the year candidate
SportsRe: Mixed Martial Arts Fan Thread: UFC, Bellator Etc by A40(m): 4:21pm On Mar 29, 2018
tobianthony:
Anderson Silva vs Micheal bisping .

Silva is arguably one of the greatest of all times ...however he has been suspended for doping twice if I'm not mistaken .

This fight is crazy because in this round bisping in order to get out of trouble would spit out his mouth guard when the fight was too hot . I'm guessing he did this to get the referee to stop the fight and order him to put his mouth guard back in his mouth . Giving bisping a chance to reset and rest .

However this one time bisping pointed to the ref that his mouth guard had fallen out and Silva went in with a flying double knee which knocked him out .

End of the fight right ...but no .

Silva being the cocky bastard that he is turned around and raised his hands in triumph believing that bisping had been knocked out .

Only for the referee to call out to him that bisping had gotten back up and the fight was not over .

Just as silva went in for the kill the buzzer sounded .

Micheal bisping would later turn the tables and win the remain rounds of the fight .

However this fight went to a decision and. Guess who won bisping albeit controversially . Some believe Silva won ...

This was just one of the two controversial decisions in bispings career .
Do you remember the Da Silva x Weidmann fight where Da Silva broke a leg after Weidmann checked his kick with his own leg? Mental!!

From UFC to Bellator if we start with all the great middleweights and Light Heavyweights we won't leave here today I tell you
SportsRe: Mixed Martial Arts Fan Thread: UFC, Bellator Etc by A40(m): 4:08pm On Mar 29, 2018
tobianthony:
St. Pierre vs Micheal bisping .

Bisping is just the worst middle weight bad mouth ever .

The guy will abuse you and father and talk and talk .

His best skill is running away from fighters that can win him .

But make no mistake his tough and he is from Manchester , UK .
tobianthony:
St. Pierre vs Micheal bisping .

Bisping is just the worst middle weight bad mouth ever .

The guy will abuse you and father and talk and talk .

His best skill is running away from fighters that can win him .

But make no mistake his tough and he is from Manchester , UK .
The best overall talker was definitely the American Gangster Chael Sonnen.

quinSonia:
tobianthony op I guess you are a fan of QPARK..that guy is hilarious


sorry for derailing back to the MMA what of Dave Batista heard he went also for MMA and that Brock lesnar guy..rhounda rousey wouldn't last long in an MMA match abi she think say na WWE...lol
Please tell me you are joking
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 3:40pm On Mar 29, 2018
MitrikDenholm:
The lebron MVP bet is still on, I won't chicken out. Im just saying if you care to double down, I've got the heat Vs the Celtics without kyrie.

Lillard Harden LeBron Davis Embiid.

Wardell and the serpent can suck a giant egg plant.
You already did. Too late.

Embiid ko Embryo ni

As for the Celtics vs Heat come back in a forthnight. We would know more about the seedings and Kyrie's availability. I hope you speak Paypalian. .
SportsRe: Mixed Martial Arts Fan Thread: UFC, Bellator Etc by A40(m): 3:11pm On Mar 29, 2018
tobianthony:
George St . Pierre .

Arguably one of the greats of the sport .

He has a karate background and got beat by a few wrestlers/ grapplers ...so he changed his style and started what is referred to as lay and prey .

He will take you down ...hold you down and beat you till he gets a submission or the buzzer sounds .

Notable fights ...st. Pierre vs Matt Sera .
St Pierre was a real G. Whatever issues he is dealing with I hope he sorts it soon
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 9:47am On Mar 29, 2018
MitrikDenholm:
Care to bet?

And what better feeling than knowing lillard will be first team all NBA over that bum wardell?
We've been down this road before. No waste my time.

Curry-Harden-James-Davis-huh your all-NBA team in a jiffy
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 6:54am On Mar 29, 2018
Decale:
You guys should continue collecting impossible Ws when it's not needed. Finish am for regular season

Miami Heat go dey wait for una angry
They will beat Miami. It's a habit and a mentality. It means they do not believe in excuses. It's admirable and a lot of teams can learn from it

If I were a fan I'd be really proud
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 6:53am On Mar 29, 2018
Celtics are 13-4 without Kyrie this year. I learned the hard way not to bet against Boston no matter who is missing. This team would be a problem whenever Hayward and Kyrie get healthy. 3 game winners in how many days now?

Honorable mention to KAT who dropped 56.

And Lillard too who dropped 41 the previous day. It's a pity Dame plays in a small market. He's been carrying Portland on his back this year
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m):
Nihilstjnr:
Tyson was at his peak in 1988. By the time he fought Buster Douglas 2 years later he was already on Bipolar medication. By 91 he would be in court for rape. He wouldn't fight again till 95 and by then his personal life was more or less in chaos. His fighting style changed significantly when he came out of jail and in effect 88 Tyson and 90s Tyson are 2 completely different fighters who happen to share a name.

I don't really care who he fought post 88 or maybe even 89 when he destroyed Frank Bruno. The point is that 88 was his peak period, and that kid would have beaten any gaddem person.
Truly great sportsmen don't become completely useless outside their peak. Is Federer at his peak? Tom Brady? C.Ronaldo?

Bone that thing. Tyson's body of work was weak. His era was weak which means his peak was suspect plus he didn't beat a single great heavyweight at any reasonable age ever. Larry Holmes at 39 does not count I'm sorry.

If you're crazy enough to take up the sport of boxing then odds are there some demons in your head by default.

Top 10 all-time heavyweights Tyson can never smell that list
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m): 12:58am On Mar 29, 2018
Nihilstjnr:
All this one is story. Your argument is that Mike Tyson did not fight Top Class Opposition.

I don't need him to fight top class opposition to predict who he would have beat.

His Legacy is different from a theoretical matchup between two fighters.

I'm looking at the technique and his style in the late 80s and comparing it to Mohammed Ali's style and I'm confident, Ali would have been bagged up like Weed.

Tyson switched up his style in the 90s and went off the rails. Went to jail a couple of times, and struggled with mental illness.

Ring magazine will look at his entire career including these dark times where he was skipping training sessions in camp to go and party.

I'm looking at a very specific era. A very specific year.

1988 Iron Mike was GOD. That 20 year old will have killed ANYBODY. Ali especially would have been finished like Mo Salah
Foreman was beating Tyson's competition at 45. Make we leave this story for Jimi Solanke.
That era was kinda weak

There's nothing Tyson went through that can top leaving a professional sport for 10 phuckin years. That's like Ronaldo retiring now and returning to dominate football in 2027.

This is like saying Saheed aka Seedorf from Kuwait or Tolu would go to La Masia and shine because he had mad skills in Kuwait

A boxer with limited KO power like Holyfield could easily keep Tyson at bay and expose his suspect chin then he wouldn't have a prayer against a master like Ali.

I no go even mention Foreman cos that one go just kill am. Slight work
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:45am On Mar 29, 2018
Dwight Howard dey para. If only he calmed down and allowed Kobe to mentor him like he did Gasol he would have been a Laker legend. Sad watching him waste in this bum Charlotte team
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:40am On Mar 29, 2018
Donlittle:
The Hypocrisy of max kellerman on first take today.

He is saying Lebron deserves the MVP because of individual stats.

This same man said Nash deserves MVP ahead of Kobe Bryant Twice because the phoenix suns had a better record, and nash averaged 15, 11, and 3

The Hypocrisy.
Lol this is why I've stopped overinflating the importance of these pundits they are just forumites like us with a bigger platform or blue tick on. They would always fall your hand

Some clown Adam Joseph on my Twitter did an All NBA 1st to 3rd team list and somehow Oladipo was there and Steph wasn't
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:35am On Mar 29, 2018
MitrikDenholm:
Go to the UK and let those crooked UK judges possibly steal his belt and give it to Hearns boy Whyte? LOL

The only person worth taking that risk for is AJ himself. As it is it's already going to be a huge payday so why does he have to fight Whyte first? Except if hearn is scared once Wilder defeats AJ he won't be the draw he is now, wilder will. A pass the torch moment like de la Hoya to Pacquiao. Wilder has the perfect analogy, AJ is Anabel the cow and Hearn wants to get as much milk out of him as possible.
Power has shifted base. Whether we like it or not as far as the blue ribbon division is concerned the UK is where it's popping. Whyte's market isn't strong in the US hell even Deontay's market isn't strong in the US so as a promoter it makes no financial sense for me to leave Santo Domingo and move to Sambisa Forest

Unless your boy Deontay is scared. If he can't knockout Whyte like AJ did then he probably doesn't deserve the belt. Nothing stops him from inserting an automatic rematch clause anyway in the event that he loses. AJ did it with Parker. If Fury could score a win in Germany against Wlad then Deontay has no excuse

Is there a promoter out there that can get AJ upwards of £15m per fight? I don't think you would mind that type of milking if you were in his shoes.

Businessman would always exploit ways to make money. Whyte is his client so why should AJ eat alone. Wilder needs Hearn and AJ more than they need him. So if he's serious about unifying the belts then he needs to fly the phuck out of Tuscaloosa and come to the present Mecca of heavyweight boxing which is the UK atm
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m): 12:12am On Mar 29, 2018
jonsnow92:
Alli knew Foreman lacked Stamina frankly..In Foreman's fight against Frazier,in the 2nd round or so after Foreman had knocked Frazier out like the 5th time in 2 rounds, Foreman placed his hands on the ropes as though resting..Angelo dundee later said in a later interview many years later that Alli was watching that fight and murmured NO Stamina to him..So its safe to say Alli knew all along,
That's the thing the knowledge alone would never be enough. He would still need a strategy to implement, had Foreman been a bit more efficient the fight would have had a different outcome and that aside it's pretty telling that nobody else was able to pull it off

Forget the bants about stamina, there is no way you knockdown a fighter 5 times and some virtue will not leave you. This is why you see guys score knockdowns and still lose a fight. You exert a shitload of energy trying to knockdown a fighter that if you don't succeed then the hunter quickly transforms to the hunted. It happened with Ortiz and Wilder

jonsnow92:
Also Foreman's opponents looked like idiots because Foreman had great punching power and was very domineering..Infact i dont think Foreman ever trained for his fights to go the distance,maybe thats why he always tried to get the knockout punch quickly..Alli knew all this and thats why Alli kept ducking and taunting so the fight would go the distance and eventually tire Foreman out.
Strategy killed Foreman on the night, he was wildly inefficient and even Ali would not have beaten Foreman if he fought like that
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m): 12:05am On Mar 29, 2018
Blame it on the Inter-Lull. It used to be worse than this
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m): 11:43pm On Mar 28, 2018
afrodoc2:
If you consider that Cooper was not a great boxer he gave Ali problems compared to some other greater boxers. For example Ali knocked Foreman out and Foreman could not knock him down, while Cooper knocked Ali down and Ali was so dazed that Angelo Dundee had to use underhand tactics to save Ali. Cooper fought Ali twice and Ali could not knock him down (both fights stopped by the ref due to cuts under his eye).
I would say Cooper was the 3rd most difficult opponent for a prime Ali after Smoking Joe and Ken Norton.
I still go back to his age at the time. He was pretty young when he fought Cooper. Second time they fought Ali had a much easier time plus let's also remember neither fight went past the 6th.

Foreman's loss to Ali really was an epic upset. Some L's defy rhyme or logic. Like how Liverpool came from 3 down to beat Milan. What he pulled off no fighter who fought Foreman well aware of his weaknesses was able to repeat

afrodoc2:
Foreman was slow moving and lumbering so he was ponderous. His 2 gifts were 1) his toxic punch (probably top 3 in boxing history) and 2) his chin which was an underated aspect of his skill set.
Methodical not slow if you ask me. Which is what made his loss to Ali more surprising. Ali literally parked the bus and he walked into the trap. He was in too much of a hurry to end the fight which was perhaps arrogant on his part but with the way he dispatched Norton and Frazier so easily who could blame him?

afrodoc2:
Back to AJ and Wilder i actually believe AJ will win don't get it twisted, however i think you are wrong about Wilder. He definitely has more power or 1 knockout power than AJ. Check the knockouts of both of them. AJ has more of them from cumulative punishment finished of with deadly COMBINATIONS, Wilder is the one that has the deadly single punch knockouts. Remember Wilder is not a precise puncher so few of his combinations actually land. Wilder takes fewer LANDED DIRECT HITS to knockout an opponent than AJ that is why i know he has the more dangerous single punch KO ability.
What i have explained above is why i believe AJ has to be extra careful cos even though he is obviously the better boxer and more likely to win, if the fight is to be decided by one single/lucky punch it is more likely to be Wilder swinging it.
I can only judge based on their mutual opponent Molina. Like you pointed out Wilder is not a precise puncher but his hand speed is that good that while his punches don't necessarily land flush all the time they do their damage and clear road like John the Baptist for other oncoming punches..

AJ has a strong inside game and does not need to throw windmill punches to get the job done. The power he can generate on standing and at short range I don't think I've seen from Wilder. Klitschko can attest.

For the most part you are still going to require a combination of punches to knock out anybody. Wilder didn't knock out Stiverne or Ortiz with one blow or lucky swing. There has to be that one punch that sends a fighter to a point of no return and based on what I've seen from both of them there isn't much to suggest he is markedly more powerful at that than AJ
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 11:12pm On Mar 28, 2018
MitrikDenholm:
A40

People trying to blame wilder for pulling out of going to Cardiff, calling him a coward but I don't blame him at all.

If you've been following what's been going on over the past few days, Eddie Hearn is trying to do him dirty, he's trying to set him up with Whyte in Cardiff to make a scene and force him into fighting whyte because Wilders contractors are now prohibiting him from going into the ring to confront AJ.

Whyte is calling him out and even wilder has said it's because hearn is trying to give him Whyte not AJ and I absolutely believe him. Why go fight dilian Whyte who is a very risky fight for a lesser pay day than AJ? Fvck that!
Lol isn't Whyte the number 1 contender for his belt? Why is he scared of Whyte though? He only has 1 belt to lose and I expect Wilder to beat Whyte anyway

You need to realize Hearn is not a purist. He is in the business of making money for himself and his client. The AJ/Wilder fight would happen barring unforeseen circumstances. Hearn is not a phool to miss out on what might be the biggest payday in recent heavyweight boxing history

If Deontay is the man like he claims to be he should take up the fight! Whyte is not a bum and would land him his biggest purse of his career easily. This doesn't affect the AJ/Wilder fight in future (as early as late 2018 or early 2019) either provided they both keep winning
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m): 10:59pm On Mar 28, 2018
chic2pimp:
Nah I would say Smoking Joe was Tyson before Tyson.
In terms of stature. I'm talking straight explosive KO power
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 10:39pm On Mar 28, 2018
Roland17:
On the flip side, Fultz is a liability defensively and it may be too early to shoulder offensive expectations from Fultz. But I agree that Ben does not score enough points shooting the ball and that would mean doing more to get others involved. I am interested in seeing how durable Embiid would be in the postseason.
Fultz is a much better scorer than Simmons. He should give them a boost from the bench with his scoring. Provided he isn't too emotionally scarred from his early setbacks.

No back to backs for playoffs so I think Embiid would be fine
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m): 10:15pm On Mar 28, 2018
Ibime:
Tyson could beat Ali on a good day, but Foreman would flog him like he flogged Frasier.

We've already seen the Tyson-Foreman match up stylistically pre-enacted by Frasier-Foreman. Tyson would be out of there in 2 rounds.
Boxing is not mathematics but there were many Tyson's before Tyson. Foreman was Tyson on double portion of knockout anointing. Ali go too kpokpo am
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m): 10:04pm On Mar 28, 2018
afrodoc2:
That rope-a-dope has been overhyped. It was nothing magical, it was just Ali betting his iron chin against Foreman's suspect stamina. He allowed Foreman to punch himself out and get exhausted, betting that Foreman would get tired before he (Ali) got knocked out.
In essence the rope-a-dope was based on the premise that Foreman had suspect stamina.
Skill and stamina can be worked on and the kind of stamina needed to fight the ferocious battles of the 70's was not required in the 90's.
Chin and punching power are God given.

Taking nothing from Foreman, he is one of the greatest ever heavyweights, likely 2nd only to Ali in terms of modern heavyweights. Had he not retired at 28 he might have gone down as the G.O.A.T
That's why I said it was Ali at his improvisational best. If it were that easy other fighters would have replicated it.

Foreman's fights with Ron Lyle and Jimmy Young were bloodbaths that showed Foreman could hang. Any fighter that fought as inefficiently as Foreman would on that night would have ran out of gas 9 times out of 10.

I agree that the 70's fights took more toll on you but when a boxer comes back at 39 years old and almost a decade out of the sport to fight younger guys and compete favorably then it has to be considered that perhaps his stamina was not as bad as purported
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m): 9:50pm On Mar 28, 2018
Ibime:
The way Foreman beat Smoking Joe in Kingston should let niggas know wargwan. Foreman woulda murdered Ali in rematch but I heard Ali was ducking.

Fury would beat AJ if he regains fitness.
E really pain me say them no fight again. I've seen that fight multiple times and I was a bit appalled by Foreman's lack of strategy, a lot of Foreman's blows were mainly landing on the arms Ali was using to shield his face. If he were a bit more efficient he could have taken down Ali because I can count at least two occasions Ali was literally out on his feet

You also have to salute Ali's intestinal fortitude too because the amount of body shots he took were ungodly. I wouldn't blame Ali for ducking Big George. He was 8 years older

I think for AJ the one weapon he has and that can work in his favor against Fury is that he is not scared to go inside. And the amount of power he can generate without telegraphing his blows is why I argued he can easily match Wilder power for power. You saw that uppercut against Klitschko. From out of nowhere
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 5:57am On Mar 28, 2018
DevdanSanguine:
Weak side blocks. Besides, it's jelly blocking peanut butter. It's all good.
Isn't that LeNomad's specialty?

What I'd give for a Heat vs Cavaliers playoff series. They just look like a team that would give you fits. No Waiters. No Whiteside and still hung the L
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A40(m): 5:53am On Mar 28, 2018
afrodoc2:
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Point of correction, it was Ali's 19th fight not his 1st fight and his next fight less than a year later he beat the undisputed champion Sonny Liston who was thought to be unbeatable and who most other heavyweights were ducking. So don't make it look like Ali was a novice when he fought Cooper.

Styles make fights and Cooper gave Ali more problems than Foreman. Same reason Ali struggled like hell against Frazier THREE times and was able to knockout Foreman while Foreman beat Frazier like a sadist TWICE.

Foreman's stamina was questionable compared to the other great heavyweights of that era. In his first half of his career the man lost only twice and they happened to be 2 of his 4 longest fights (round 8 and round 12). The man rarely went beyond round 5.
The Ali knockout was as much about fatigue in the humidity and heat of Zaire on Foreman's part as it was about punching power on Ali's part.
Against Jimmy Young after the 12 round fight he suffered from heat stroke. His stamina was not the beast but he had an iron chin and fists of steel.
First fight with Cooper not first ever fight. That's not what I intended to type.

Either way I don't rank Cooper amongst Ali's top 3 toughest opponents. He might not have been a novice but judging by how he found it relatively easier in the second go around you can't rule out the fact that Ali was still rather young and that played a role in their first bout

Cooper gave a 22 year old Ali problems in the first fight not the 2nd fight when he was older and arguably in his prime.

The rumble in the jungle was Ali at his improvisational best. That fight was won largely on the back of a one-off strategy and not a styles clash per se. There is every possibility another fight between them would have yielded a completely different outcome

I'm not saying he had the best stamina like say an Ali but it's tough to say it was a weakness when a vast majority of the guys he fought just couldn't last the distance including all-time greats. He won a few decisions too while on that KO streak so he wasn't a complete liability stamina-wise. He was even able to improve on it when he returned which means there was something there before as 40 year olds don't magically just stumble upon stamina.

Fatigue and Ali's counter-punching aside Foreman's gameplan was not good enough. He fell too cheaply for Ali's rope-a-dope

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