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timbros:
The problem with you guys is, when one mentions a particular player, you will jump to the conclusion that Hazard is being compared to the mentioned player, ignoring the context of the example given.

Below is your earlier comment why you feel Hazard is a failure.

No I'm not ignoring the context. I'm telling you that the game has changed. With guys like Messi, Mueller and Ronaldo shining in the league and UCL year in year out you cannot produce performances in the league alone as proof of dominance

Hazard is so far a failure because he has no achievements of note outside the EPL. None, zilch, nada

Ronaldo scored 16 goals in 5 seasons of CL competition. Hazard has 5 in 3 seasons. Only 2 from open play! This is abysmal and such player has no business dining with the elite

timbros:
Notice the bolded. You want us to focus on Europe biggest competition then rate Hazard. I had to give you an example of a LEGEND of the game who failed in that elite competition showing you that you don't have to isolate one particular competition to rate a player.

Context bro, context.

Because I understand Hazard does not come from a footballing superpower which is why I'm not even accounting performances for country (which have been abysmal by the way). If I don't rate him based on the CL what should I rate him on? EPL performances alone? Taa

timbros:
I asked you not to mention world Cup because you want us to FOCUS on "Europe's biggest competition". Or is world Cup or copa America now Europe's biggest competition?

I was in no way comparing Hazard's career to Ronaldo De Lima (I dey crase?) but I was trying to focus on what you asked me to focus on.

Again you are the one not understanding the 'context' how can you tell me not to mention the World Cup. I listed guys like Neymar and Mueller among the big boys because they are tried and tested in International competition

Neymar: 4 goals in the WC, 13 in the CL
Mueller: 10 goals in the WC, 28 in the CL. World Champion, CL Champion
Hazard: 5 goals in 3 seasons of CL, only two from open play, nothing in the WC
Ronaldo: 16 goals in 5 seasons of CL, 15 goals in the WC, World Champion

So tell me why and what business Hazard has in being listed with any of these guys? Either for club or country he has achieved nothing!!!

timbros:
I hope I have cleared that. Good. Now let's go back again.

Does Ronaldo's woeful performance in Europe’s biggest competition makes him a failure? (woeful yes, because a player of his calibre in Europe should have at least ONE champions League medal).

No you have cleared nothing, of course Ronaldo might not have lived up to his high standard in elite Europe but he still had 36 goals in all European competitions. 16 in the CL alone (only 1 PK)

If you consider he tore his knee twice before his 2nd season in the CL then you would recognize his achievements were respectable

However you cannot tell me that a Hazard with no record to boast of outside the EPL is in the same class with the Mueller's, Neymar's.

lordfalcao:
and what you wrote up here depicts intelligence



you lack one thing


A big sense , make sure you acquire one

My friend shut up if you have nothing coherent to say. Weyrey call am 'A big sense' What a phoolish ewok!

If you cannot contribute anything cogent to this argument why not have a coke and a smile and STFU

JigsawKillah:
soon?
even with the EPL's failure, they're still ahead of the Bundesliga
respect them!

Starting from next season. Shiii! I bet you didn't even know. Its a cumulative process so your failures are not immediately punished

timbros:
Big boys indeed.

OK let me tow your line of argument for a minute. Ronaldo De Lima must be a failure for playing in 5 top teams in Europe across 3 top leagues without a Champions League medal.

And please don't mention World Cup winner because I know that will be your next reply. Messi and C. Ronaldo aren't world cup winners.

Haha mo daaran! You guys try to defend the failure of Hazard and then of all people you bring out Ronaldo Luis Nazario De Lima (O Fenomeno) to justify it.

Btw Inter, PSV were not big clubs at the time he joined them their records in Europe at the time showed that. He also suffered two massive injuries which robbed him of 2-3 years of his prime at the very least. To remedy that however he won a World Cup and Copa America for his country and is one of the highest scorers of all-time in the World's biggest competition. How this remotely relates his scenario with Hazard is part of what keeps me up at night

Of course I will mention World Cup Winner. Its just one of the many achievements your local champion Hazard will never have. While Messi and Ronaldo don't have a World Cup they can at least boast of 5 Champions League titles between them potentially 6 if Barca beat Juve

Hazard has achieved none of this but somehow people try to use him in the same breath with the all-time greats. Unbelievable

jimmy4x:
Zidane didnt score the most goals, he made the most dribbles nd created the most chances, yet he was celebrated, now dey keep shouting Hazard doesn't score more goals, dey completely ignored the excellent chances he creates nd his dribbles....
lol, these Bayern trolls think dey are intelligent, buh the more dey yarn balls to prove a point against Hazard, the more dey show their stupidity.....watch him, he'll not come back nd reply to this.

Ode ni e. You be oluku!

Zidane has always showed up on the big stage. Deciding big matches UCL and World Cup Finals. What has Hazard done outside the EPL

We have been asking you eediots that question for almost 3 months but no one has been able to answer.

Excellent chances and dribbles against West Brom and Aston Villa is not what puts you in the same pantheon with Zizou and other great players.

How many times do we have to spell it out to this ret@rd?

JigsawKillah:
how many years have the Bundesliga been failing before now?

Of course we've been failing that's why we would soon be 2nd in European coefficient

Maduks88:
Has muller scored up to 10 league goal from open play in the last five year?

Something he was doing before he turned 21?

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why Hazard only has 2 goals from open play for 3 seasons in Chelsea

timbros:
I don't know what you mean by Champions League. This is the overall performance of these guys over the season and you're here trying to isolate a particular tournament.

Where you come from sef?

How can you know when your local champion was nowhere to be found among the big boys.

So you want us to ignore Europe's biggest competition and merely focus on performance in the overhyped EPL?

A league that failed badly in elite Europe this year!

I'm sorry can't do that

lordfalcao:
A40 nairaland no 1 big fool

Look at this eembecile! Why not shut that sewer you call a mouth if you have nothing intelligent to say. Pendejo

bigkesh:
shut up! Every team played 38 matches in their respective leagues except for some dummy league......... Ucl games arent equal, if u av no way to hate on the rating, then just pass

You are a colossal phool! 38 games against the likes of QPR, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Crystal Palace and other useless teams. So we should award Hazard the best for performances based on a year no EPL team even made it past the second round in any of Europe's elite competitions? You dey craze!

timbros:
While we're at it... .

Squawka's top 10 midfielders across Europe this season, based on their Performance Score.



http://www.squawka.com/news/the-top-10-midfielders-across-europe-this-season/388446

Can we see that of Champions League plix.

timbros:
First off, you need verification? Refer to the screenshots below.

Secondly it's not a roll call. Refer to the screenshots again for clarification.

Thirdly the bolded is your personal opinion, which unfortunately doesn't matter in football world. A legend have spoken. His opinion matters much much much more than yours. Thank you.

Good night.

This is not Lahm calling Hazard the best player in the world or even one of the best. This is talking about possessing a desirable attribute for a certain position.

Whether my opinion is relevant or not it will not put more goals in the back of the net for Hazard in elite Europe.

Pele once said Nii Lamptey is the next Pele. So sorry its not by opinion of a player

That's why competitions and tournaments are organized. So even if Lahm calls Hazard the best dribbler since Garrincha, his 2 goals from open play in the Champions League tell me something is wrong somewhere.

timbros:
Timbros wants to know why a Bayern legend will name this abysmal Hazard among his best players. Timbros wants to know if Lahm doesn't know about Neymar or Mueller when he named Hazard. Timbros wants to know if A-40 and raumdeuter knows football more than Lahm.

How about that?

First off these statements have not been verified

Secondly this hardly indicates a roll call of best players just him listing the attributes he desired. Afterall he did not list the current Balon D'Or holder either

Now if Hazard like make he dribble pass Garrincha. Till he shows up on the big stage and wins titles like Neymar and especially Mueller he will forever be their subordinate

raumdeuter:
By age 24 Muller already had a CL trophy, Hazard is already 24 and never played a CL final.

WHat Muller achieved at 25, Hazard cannot achieve if he lives for 500yrs

By age 25.
Muller Highest goal scorer at world cup aka golden boot,
Best young player at the world cup
5th place Ballon D or
4th best player in Europe
10 world cup goals
1 Champions League
1 World cup
4 League titles
1 UEFA Super cup
1 Club world cup
28 CL goals, 15 assists (How many for Hazard?)

https://forums.bigsoccer.com/data/avatars/l/139/139474.jpg?1369847703

Mueller is only 1 year and 3 months older than Hazard but the gulf in class is 12 times the size of Russia.

Goetze at 22 had already decided a World Cup Final and helped his club to a UCL Final

How can anyone who is not clinically insane compare those winners to a local champion like Hazard

SIRcumalot:
Deandre is a better offensive player than hibbert,defintely rebounds better than almost anybody
he is younger than tyson chandler and they both play in a similar manner also deandre is younger and more explosive
Chandler will also be a free agent this season and who would you rather pay ?
Deandre is one of the best centers in the league.

Dude DeAndre doesn't have a post game. His offense relies massively on his athleticism and CP3's style of play. I'm dying to see how he gets his points playing in a predominantly halfcourt offense for a George Hill instead of CP3

I would not pay DeAndre max money. Not with all the other problems that need fixing. At best wait for the salary cap to increase which would happen in the 2016/2017 season

DeAndre probably is in the top 5 bracket I agree.

timbros:
Two people here pretend not to see this....

Wait, is Lahm well at all? How could he not mention Ribery and/or Robben that he plays with week in week out?

This is hardly relevant to anything. I don't recall anyone disputing Hazard's ability to 'drimble' what A-40 wants to know is why with all his drimbling abilities he has only been able to score 2 goals from open play in 3 years of Elite European football. A-40 also wants to know why he has only gotten past the first knockout round on one occasion

Why are some comparing him to his ancestors like Mueller and Neymar?

I'd expect any discerning Chelsea fan to ask themselves why his record is so abysmal in Europe

lordfalcao:
we always know you re clueless or are you putting special efforts to be more clueless??


nwankpi MMA uzo oba

Weyrey alaso make you sharrap there

How can a mental handicapped chap like you be talking about clues. What a village eediot

lordfalcao:
if you lie yu will drop dead
bedridden with sentiments

Edumare punish you with cerebral palsy. Nkita ara!

coded01:
Chai! Hazard don suffer...

Comparing Hazard to Mueller and Neymar

That's like comparing Mr Ibu to Christian Bale

Or Maurice Iwu to Attahiru Jega

raumdeuter:
Being dribbled by the best player in football history is no shame compared to chelsea captain who was embarrassed by ordinary van persie.

Boateng biggest career game he dominated in a world cup final. How did eden Ikedia fare at the world cup

What was the biggest career game of the chelsea captain and how did he fare

Baba dey mark him own player. Shey na craze abi wetin we go call this one? Over two decades I don dey watch football I never see this kin thing

At 25

We are waiting for the day John Racist, Local Champion Hazard and Garri Cahill will achieve these feats

Eden 'Local Champion' Hazard.

Only two goals in 3 seasons from open play in Elite European Competition. What a disgrace

Donlittle:
Hey A40, are you a dallas fan? from what i have seen here, seems to me, clippers might be letting deandre go, i just wish deandre would be more aggresive, you guys remember a game where he had the ball the last seconds and cp3 was yelling for him to dunk or just put the ball in the net? seems to me, his head isnt just there offensively, and i dont think it will ever happen anyways. Even Tyson chandler can knock down the free throws when it matters more, and we dont hear hack a chandler.

I want him to come to dallas, but then i just cant sit down and watch team send him to the free throw line every damn time, or carlise having to take him out of a game because of his ineffectiveness to be productive on the offensive end down the stretch. yes defense is good, but ask the bulls how well they are fairing with their bad ass defense and alright offense?.

I say the clippers improve their bench and i hope deandre figures out he isnt a max player, a 10 - 12 million dollar contract isnt that bad, then you can improve the bench tremendously.

Btw, what country is tiago splitter from? we should just go there and get a center like that lol.

Yeah largely because of Dirk Nowitzki. DeAndre is an excellent rebounder of the ball he also alters shots in the paint but teams with quality shooters can easily negate that. He also has no offensive game relying mostly on dunks and putbacks, this is simply not good enough for a player demanding a max deal.

Lots of moves to be made this summer. Felton and Barea don't do it at PG for me. There's also the Monta Ellis business I think they have to extend him. He has his flaws but unless a rising talent like maybe a Jimmy Butler is available then it makes no sense not to extend him. There is also a serious need for a perimeter stopper. The starting five of JJ/Ellis/Parsons/Dirk/Chandler cannot stop a nosebleed. Purge the bench too and offload old-timers like Jefferson and Amare.

Tiago is from Brazil

Bimffo:
Ages or not ages.. Heynckes won it back to back and took Bayern to the topmost top of European football.. Went to Final twice back to back.. Please tell me something..

Correction: Mourinho dint go 2 season trophyless.. He only did it once..

Nobody counts Supercup or Club World Cup in isolation otherwise we can argue David Moyes did not go trophyless and Wenger did the double this season. We could also argue that Guardiola won the quadruple last year. Shey you can see where I'm going

So yes Mourinho went for two seasons without a major trophy


Scottish league that will soon have the #2 coefficient in Europe and presently parade the Champions of World Football. I want to be like this Scottish league

FBS:
US justice department say $10m bribe was paid to former FIFA members Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer from FIFA's Swiss bank in 2008.
Guess who made the payment? Yes you guessed right.
New York Times claim payment made by secretary general Jerome Valcke
Every single person in that FIFA is bleepingly KWARROPT!

That's why they can't topple Blatter. Their hands aren't clean either

raumdeuter:
He scored as many CL goals as Ribéry this season despite the Frenchman having an injury ridden season

The Boa-TANK world and UCL Champion even scored more goals from open play in the CL in one season than Hazard in 3 years. This is who they said is after Messi and Ronaldo. What a joke!

SIRcumalot:
Many teams would pay Deandre the max if Clipper doesn't In fact Dallas would rather pay Deandre than Tyson chandler who is older than deandre and they both play a similar game.
The Clippers just knocked of the spurs if it wasn't for Josh smith playing uncharacteristically well they should have won that game 6
DJ doesn't deserve the max but he will get it.there aren't many better players in his position.

Dallas is not exactly known for its prudence. Just look at the bone-headed deal my Mavs gave Parsons. Any team paying max for DeAndre better find a way to bring CP3 with him. The Pacers are still looking for how to offload Roy Hibbert and that's somebody who is arguably as good a defender and probably better offensively

Roland17:
Protecting the rim and defensively D.Jordan made strides this post season and became the main stay of the clippers defensively but he is not reliable in other aspects of the game, especially if you consider the aspirations of the team, in fact his offense is very predictable and his inability to play coordinated basketball when CP3 was not handling the ball was exposed.

In today's NBA success is no longer predicated by the front court, DJ is not an integral part of the Clippers offense, I mentioned this fact earlier in my game preview when they played the Rockets and this fact is one reason Dwight was able to resurrect the Rockets alongside Harden.

The Clippers as a team need to change philosophy and ideology, they are a very indisciplined bunch who walk around with a chip on their shoulders and a ridiculous sense of entitlement, it becomes very easy for officials to get irritated overtime by their attitude on the court and I can give numerous instances during this past playoffs also when the game slowed down they struggled, they thrive on momentum and transition basketball and when that is absent it becomes tough for Blake and DJ.

Does DJ deserve the Max? No..not to me..ask yourself, would another team offer him the max? Would he play better without CP3 or he would get worse with another team and point guard, I think he should be considerate with his demands so he does not disappear like a certain Lance Stephenson who hyped himself to believe he deserved the Max but we all know the rest and how he is fairing with the Charlotte Hornets.

Excellent post.

Their issues are multi-layered. Its a mixture of poor management and too many mediocre (Lasogga, Djourou, Holtby) or over the hill players (VDV, Jansen, Adler, Westermann, Behrami)

They've hired a few relatively big name managers (Van Marwijk, Slomka, Veh) but they seem to lack a football culture and an identity

raumdeuter:
Slight correction. 3 penalties out of 5

Unfassbar!!!

You mean despite all the noise about him being the best invention since the Internet he has only scored 2 goals from open play in 3 years? Wowzers!

Those dinosaurs refuse to relegate

High time the DFB change the rules. The bottom 3 need to go down. You can run a playoff between the 3rd and 4th team or 3rd to 6th sef in the 2.BL

raumdeuter:
That is goal .com best 11 for retarddss

Not the best player from each team since Juventus and Barca has 2 players in it

Soon they would tell us Hazard who has 5 career CL goals is better than Neymar who scored 5 goals vs PSG alone

If you take goals from open play. That is 3 goals in 3 years

That's 1 CL goal every 1 year average. Lameeeee

CFCfan:
Never heard of that site before.

They are more credible than goal.com sha

I thought they picked up Max Kruse from Gladbach I doubt they would need Volland. They are going to need some insurance for KDB probably Firmino, if he loses form or gets injured Wolfsburg are phucked