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I guess from tomorrow we would find out if Rafa is the cure or part of the disease as well

debosky: Back to the point - I made an assertion, you said it was a lie. Instead of asking for clarification if you weren't sure what 'Europe' meant, you jumped the gun. Dortmund were in Europe for 6/7 seasons before winning. You said it was a lie and you've been proved to be the liar. Secondly, with or without the Uefa Cup, Dortmund still has more UCL pedigree than Citeh as previous winners. The Uefa Cup references were only in addition to the UCL pedigree as a result of winning the competition.
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It is a lie! Did Dortmund play in the UCL/European Cup for 6/7 seasons straight? How can you accumulate pedigree for a competition you didn't play in? You must be a jester. So when I said what pedigree did Dortmund have in the UCL prior to winning in 97. Maga like Debosky goes on and brings 6/7 seasons of qualification in the UEFA cup (a 3rd tier competition at the time) to buttress your phoolish point what's worse the eediot thinks he
actually revealed classified information
Bottomline Dortmund won the UCL in their 2nd appearance which was the argument before you veered off the chicane

debosky: There is no desperation at all - there are numerous managers/clubs who developed their European pedigree firstly through the UEFA Cup - JM did so with Porto, winning the UEFA Cup before progressing to the UCL and winning it.

UEFA cup pedigree does not count towards UCL/European Cup pedigree you cannot interweave them you simp!

debosky: So what? Does the old English first division exist? Hasn't it metamorphosed into the Premier League? Yet a distinction that can be made - e.g. Liverpool hasn't won any EPL titles. If you haven't noticed, I'm very precise in my statements so if you want a broad brush, lump it all together, nebulous debate find someone else to have an argument with. Every single statement I have made is clear and backed up by fact. Your inability to comprehend isn't my problem.

Liverpool have been Champions of England 18 times! Who has time to split hairs and differentiate whether its EPL or First Division? Why is Van Persie wearing number 20 and not number 13?
Your arguments are nonsensical with no roots or origin whatsoever! You just keep jumping from pillar to post

debosky: Maybe you are dyslexic - this is the conversation that happened:



You responded:

Ninja are you retarded?? We are arguing about Man City's non performance in the UCL and you brought up Dortmund participating in 3rd tier European Competitions. In your desperation to make a point you phoolishly brought up Dortmund's performances in the Uefa Cup and even before the UCL era to justify Dortmund's "so- called" pedigree

debosky: And I provide evidence only for you to come back and say I'm 'talking about Europe' - when did I say I wasn't talking about Europe? Learn to read and comprehend before posting hasty responses that show up your ignorance.

What was the argument about initially you maricon! Are we debating general performances in Europe or specifically the UCL/European cup

debosky: You cannot understand simple use of sentence structure like 'even if' - no excuses given.



Again, why the lies? Your posts are still here:



If you can't even read and comprehend, or remember the rubbish you posted previously, why bother?

Does the European Cup still exist? Hasn't It metamorphosed to the UCL?

Testing microphone eh! Terry G testing microphone eh!

dayokanu: Maybe we should expect Athletico Madrid, Sevilla Twente Eschende to also have CL pedigree according to Messr Dobo and sons

Don't mind the twaat! Dortmund won the CL in their 2nd appearance in the UCL and broda odensi is talking about pedigree (at least according to Debosky UCL and European Cup are different competitions)

Later ninjas would say Vettel had the fastest car over the season when its clear the McLaren's are the fastest

Hamilton dominant in practice and on pole at Interlagos. Button behind and Webber 3rd Vettel 4th Massa 5th Alonso 8th Raikkonen 9th

Make Ferrari no try rough play oh Agent Massa could be up to something

StarBoard: Someone calling another a simpleton is implying the European Cup and the Champions League are different competitions.
Hypocrisy at its height

Can you imagine the slowpoke! Brings in Uefa Cup a totally different competition to compare pedigree and then writes off the same competition that just got renamed as a different competition

Ibime: ^^^Debosky is not only obnoxious, he's dishonest in his arguments.

I'm committed to educating him. Somebody's gotta do it

dayokanu: That 13m price tag drove me far away from him. Maka why? 13m shey because na fantasy money? If na your papa money you go spend am like dat . Ichiro you fall my hand. Bring Palmy to appease me

I know say na when I sell am e go kuku perform. Their next games are against West Ham and Reading he has two more strikes. Of which to sell am now na problem I no wan reduce my 107.0 team value but its costing me big time

debosky: Maybe I should speak in Yourba and maybe you'd understand then - I said Dortmund had 6/7 seasons in Europe- last I checked, UEFA Cup is a European club competition, or should we add that to the list of things you 'never knew'?

We are talking of UCL pedigree. Broda odensi is talking about Europe! Uefa Cup dey the same level with UCL? lol you must be more simple minded than I thought if you think I didn't know Dortmund where frequent participants in the Uefa Cup!! Hahahaha see dis google analyst! Me wey dey watch Football Made In Germany as a youngin no go know say Dortmund dey play Uefa Cup in the 90's

debosky: I am saying their performances should not be compared - different clubs follow different trajectories in Europe. Hence the use of the term 'even if'. Despite repeating same three times, you are too thick to understand.

You are giving excuses. Admit it! Simples

debosky: You mentioned UCL - last I checked there was no Uefa Champions League when Red Star Belgrade won the trophy. The fact remains that Red Star has not won the UCL, it won the predecessor competition. If you can't deduce the difference then I can't help you.

I mentioned that Red Star Belgrade won the UCL? Man you need deliverance!! Even if I did Please tell me if UCL and European Cup are different competitions? No be the same trophy dem dey award winner?

[quote author=Mr_TA]Another deserved defeat being served up. I think we need a few more before Baba's eyes open to the limitations of the squad or he admits he needs to step down.[/quote]You say wetin??

azpeculiar: RVP! 13m+! @ home to a managerless bottom-of-the-table team. Anything less than 2 goals and an assist is a big fail!

3 goals from Man U no goal no assist for RVP na to sell am go make sense

3 points added!! 9 pts ahead now. Who gon stop us huh?

Its an absolute blitzkrieg out there! Welcome back Gomez

Schalke are still drawing anyway though Dortmund lead

Ribery makes it trey!

Kroos and Martinez have shot us to the lead! Martinez opening his Bayern account. To make things better Schalke and Dortmund are drawing

Ibime: Michael Emenalo strikes again. . . later they would say the manager calls the shots. . .


Lampard and Cole can leave, says Rafa leaving Chelsea old guard in tatters




Chelsea legends Frank Lampard and Ashley Cole are to leave at the end of the season after Rafa Benitez confirmed the break-up of the Champions League-winning team.

Both players are out of contract next summer and Chelsea’s new coach admitted they are unlikely to stay at Stamford Bridge beyond the end of the season.

Asked directly if it was the end of a glorious era for the pair at Chelsea, Benitez said: ‘I think so, that is the case at the moment.

‘I am only here for seven months. If it is for two or three years then maybe I would have an influence.

‘Sometimes you are in a difficult position as manager because there’s too much to decide on, so it’s better to have a technical director sometimes.’

Benitez has been put in the picture by technical director Michael Emenalo and met owner Roman Abramovich for dinner on Thursday evening as Chelsea take a new direction.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2237633/Frank-Lampard-Ashley-Cole-leave-says-Rafa-Benitez.html#ixzz2D8vTphPs


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He wanted Rafa Benitez in February, Chelsea fans protested, and RDM was given the job. . . but he found a way to get his man in the end.

Now he has made up his mind to get rid of Ashley Cole (un-understandable) and Lampard (more understandable, but ill-advised).

These days, the communication in the team is so poor. No leadership on the pitch (except for Cech), yet Emenalo has decided to get rid of all the leaders, communicators and best winners.

We are watching!!

How can anyone think for even a second that RDM had a say in the matter

debosky: Who says AVB won't have won the UCL? He was in the UCL when he was fired. Both defensively and in attack, RDM has been sub par!

Ninja pls I don't hang my hat on 'if to say' did he win it or not?
RDM with a win % of 62 has been sub-par compared to AVB with barely 50%?? D

debosky: Do you understand the rudiments of making comparisons? Ancellotti won 2 UCLs from scratch - Matchday 1 till the finals - he wasn't parachuted in more than halfway through the season to win the trophies - there is NO comparison.

B.S!! He still had to win it! You talk like he was hired
just before Drogba took his spot-kick in Munich

debosky: Yes - they were both expensively assembled - yes or no?

We are talking of quality you are talking of expensive assembly. Laughable

debosky: Dunno why you like making a phool of yourself - mr I know German footie. http://uk.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2013/clubs/club=52758/history/index.html

I never knew UEFA Cup and Uefa Champions League are the same competition but of course trust Debosky the simpleton to compare the UCL to the UEFA Cup competition which was 3rd tier at the time. Only one previous UCL appearance prior to their win in 97. Where did you get 6/7 seasons from? Try harder son

debosky: You are the simpleton - no one said it was an excuse, hence the use of 'even if'. Look up its usage and stop twisting yourself into knots.

You shoulda been a ballerina with your prodigious ability to turn on a dime. If you are not giving excuses then what exactly are you doing?

debosky: Has RSB or SB won the Uefa Champions League? Like I said, read up the usage of 'even if'. Even if a comparison can be made in one case, that does not make it universally true. I keep telling you but you're too thick to understand it - you can't generalise the performances of two different clubs. Enough time wasted trying to edjumacate you.

What where European Cup winners called and what are the Uefa Champions League winners called?? Its the same competition you airhead!!! When Real Madrid are being introduced do they say 9 times European Champions or 6 times European Champions 3 times Champions League Champions??

debosky: Was AVB out of the CL before he was sacked? Was he out of the FA cup? He was ahead of where RDM is now and got sacked, so again, what is so special?

Defense,Attack now AVB. Walahi Romney dey learn work where u dey. How many trophies did AVB win for Chelsea before his sack? Did he win the UCL

debosky: Again pay attention - I am not and cannot wish away the fact that he won those competitions, just like Benitez can claim to have won a world club championship and will likely win another. What I am saying is that abandoning the league in pursuit of the CL (starting from the round of 16) isn't sufficient proof of his pedigree.

By that token we can also say Ancellotti has no pedigree afterall he once won the UCL despite being 36 pts behind the Serie A champions infact his two UCL winning seasons had no league titles to go with it! UCL was the target not the bloody league that Chelsea had won thrice already!

debosky: So you now agree he did complain?

Maybe maybe not

debosky: Again, CL pedigree is associated with clubs, not specific players. The club as a whole has not learned how to navigate through the UCL as yet. It's no coincidence that despite all of Abramovich's spending it took Chelski nearly a decade of consistent spending to win it. It is unreasonable to expect anything else from Citeh.

Who is expecting City to win the UCL? Get past the 1st round is what we ask. Can you compare early Abrahamovich Chelsea to present day Man City
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debosky: What pedigree did Dortmund have? They were playing in Europe for 6/7 consecutive seasons before winning, they had played in a European final a few years before that and won the UCL in their third season on the back of consecutive league titles.

What was their pedigree in the UCL itself? How many finals and semi-finals did they get to before winning in 97
Dortmund playing in Europe for 6/7 consecutive seasons before winning. Hahahahaha Debosky can you prove that white hot lie?

debosky: So you belatedly admit Citeh lack pedigree? No more infantile references to how old Reus was in '97?

Maybe English language is something you struggle with, so I'll repeat what I said earlier:

I didn't say they did or didn't lack it I said its not an excuse so don't be a simpleton Debosky!
So what you are saying basically is if Red Star Belgrade or Steaua Bucharest are in the UCL next season they ought to do better than City cos they have pedigree afterall they are previous winners?? O ma se oh a ro pe o gbon ke a se bintin l'ogbon Debosky

debosky: Like I said, pay attention or go take your ritalin if needed - RDM was given >£60m of attacking talent this season, not previous.

I thought it was the defence now its the attack. Who is jumping like a cat on hot tin now?

debosky: Less than half a season - it's not proof of much. Another coach had passed through the group stages to arrive at that point. Another coach had navigated the FA cup till that stage.

But its enough to sack a manager who is still in all 4 competitions? Or is Chelsea out of the UCL yet? I can see how quick you are to turn on a dime to support a useless argument
Really you are going to wish away the FA Cup and the fact that he had to overturn a 3-1 deficit,defeat the defending champions and beat the host team in the final! At a decent club he woulda been given a stay of execution. Wenger has been trophyless since Obasanjo's administration. All he's won is the League and FA cup

debosky: The claims of the likes of Ibime and his daily mail cohorts was that he gave Roman a list with Falcao and was denied, and that he complained to his assistants about Torres smoking on his balcony.

There is no smoke without fire pun intended

debosky: Not every team progresses at the same pace - 2 seasons in the CL (ever) shows that they do not have CL pedigree - yet.

What is this ninja talking about? Last season City managed 10pts now they can only manage 3 with a player and manager who have combined UCL experience of at least 100 games. And this ninja is talking about pedigree? What pedigree did Dortmund have when they won the UCL. FOH

debosky: Look up the definition of footballing pedigree before making a bigger phool of yourself. I'll give you a little clue though - it doesn't mean the same individuals being retained across the ages.

I think there's an unanimous agreement to who the phool here is. I'll let you tell it
City's lack of UCL pedigree is not an excuse not to advance past the group stages in 2 attempts!! Tottenham made the quarter finals in their only appearance with a less experienced squad and scant resources so kill that noise. Da phock? Apoel Nicosia from friggin Cyprus got to the quarter finals so what is this ninja talking about

Ibime: No mind the guy. He is so eager to label "poor performances" and "failure". I fully expected Chelsea to start rolling again when Lampard and Terry returned from their injuries.

Only Roman Abramovic saw an irritation and turned it into a crisis, then turned a crisis into a disaster. We have played all the big teams bar Man City so the only way was up from here.

The team had some foibles, not of RDM's making, that were exposed against two UCL teams who have only lost 3 games combined in over a calendar year. Ask them what midfield they would have played against Shakhtar and Juve, they cannot give you straight answer. They might even start telling you of Malouda and Ferreira.

Really yall should give Ibime credit. When the team was flying earlier he was more or less consistently pointing out the evident flaws in the team (playing style,personnel) which we are seeing now

debosky: Are we talking about last season or this season? Stop jumping around like a cat on a hot tin roof.

Was RDM not manager at Chelsea last season as well??

debosky: RDM hasn't built up the pedigree to be given such free rein,

He won a double in his first season. FA Cup and UCL! What else does a ninja need to build up pedigree?

debosky: and secondly a bad man always complains about his tools - especially Chelski managers. They always want something new/different, only to be sacked and the new manager steps in and uses the same tools to achieve success.

Who did Di Matteo complain about? There was no justification to fire him period. What success did Grant,AVB,Scolari achieve? People chat like every hire and fire move worked

debosky: Dortmund were eliminated from the group stage last season in an even weaker group, Napoli finished only a point above Citeh so it's neither here nor there. Where is Napoli this year?

But they have improved this time in a tougher group. What is Man City's excuse?
Finished only a point? Lmao! Who qualified and who didn't? Napoli can boast of crossing the group stage at least once what can City boast of

debosky: Dortmund has improved this season and Citeh have struggled, but even if we compare the two clubs, Dortmund has far greater pedigree as a club than Citeh as previous winners.

Lmao! Pedigree indeed. Can you name one player in this present Dortmund squad that played in the 97 final in Munich?? Gotze was 5 Reus was 6 years old
Was Jurgen Klopp coach too?? So if Nottingham Forest enter the Champions League you would expect them to go further than Man City (this is where my Elegushi illustration comes in)

debosky: Smalling and Jones have been injured all season, so again what is the basis for comparison?

Where they missing last season when Man U went trophyless? Or where they not there when they got knocked out in a group with Otelul Galati,Fc Basel and Benfica?
I repeat Fergie,Wenger,Mancini woulda been fired if they where at Chelsea. FACT!

debosky: Talk is cheap - Wenger took an unfancied back 4 to the CL finals in 2006 with excellent defensive performances!

And where did Arsenal finish that season? Why has Wenger not gotten a whiff of the Finals since?
6 years and counting

debosky: Rubbish - give Fergie or Wenger £80m of talent in one summer and they'll be leading the league by a country mile. The Man City team do not have CL pedigree, like it or not!

Its one thing to have money its another thing to manage it judiciously. I can also say give Di Matteo a free rein like Wenger and Fergie enjoys and he would also be ahead by a country mile. No manager can work under such ridiculous conditions

Nansense! What pedigree did Napoli have? Dortmund nko? When I talk say Elegushi runs girls sabi ball pass u I know wetin make me talk am

debosky: Smalling and Jones have been injured all season, so again what is the basis for comparison?

Where they missing last season when Man U went trophyless? Or where they not there when they got knocked out in a group with Otelul Galati,Fc Basel and Benfica?
I repeat Fergie,Wenger,Mancini woulda been fired if they where at Chelsea. FACT!

debosky: Talk is cheap - Wenger took an unfancied back 4 to the CL finals in 2006 with excellent defensive performances!

And where did Arsenal finish that season? Why has Wenger not gotten a whiff of the Finals since?
6 years and counting

debosky: Rubbish - give Fergie or Wenger £80m of talent in one summer and they'll be leading the league by a country mile. The Man City team do not have CL pedigree, like it or not!

Its one thing to have money its another thing to manage it judiciously. I can also say give Di Matteo a free rein like Wenger and Fergie enjoys and he would also be ahead by a country mile. No manager can work under such ridiculous conditions

Nansense! What pedigree did Napoli have? Dortmund nko? When I talk say Elegushi runs girls sabi ball pass u I know wetin make me talk am

debosky: How much has Fergie or Wenger spent on their defence in the past 2-3 seasons? Calculate how much Chelski has spent recently on Luiz, Cahill, Azpilicueta, and others recently and compare to AFC/MUFC. Mancini is top of the EPL, still unbeaten. He has been in the toughest UCL group for two seasons running with a team that has no CL pedigree.

Fergie has spent as much if not more than Di Matteo over the past 2 seasons. Luiz = Phil Jones, Smalling = Azpilicueta,Cahill give Wenger Cafu,Maldini,Baresi and Matthias Sammer we all know he would still screw it up
Stop making nonsense excuses for Mancini! He has coached the competition before he aint no rookie Tevez,Yaya Toure,Balotelli,Maicon all UCL winners so don't tell me he has no UCL pedigree. All 3 managers would have been fired if they where at Chelsea. FACT!!

debosky: Listen to the piper:

RA = George Steinbrenner

debosky: Pay attention - this is about RDM, not Torres. RDM was responsible for those abysmal defensive performances, not Torres.

So why are Fergie,Mancini and Wenger not on the chopping block? Has Utd or Arsenal's defence been better than Chelsea's?

debosky: No one said it was only about winning the league - the fact is that winning the CL is not carte blanche for poor performances, not after the owner spent c. £80m in one summer to strengthen your squad.

What poor performance? They had a bad stretch but are still only 4 points off the top. Could narrow it to 1 if they beat Man City or at worst 3 should Utd win. Technically they are still in the UCl and would qualify if Shakhtar beat Juve (sic) still in the CC so what poor performance?

debosky: So Torres caused Chelski to concede 3 unreplied goals against Juve? Torres is responsible for schoolboy mistakes leading to two goals conceded against West Brom? Ok!

And I also ask what difference would Torres have made? Last time I checked he's featured in all of Chelsea's losses this season. Even contrived to get himself sent off in one of them

debosky: Ancelotti won the league breaking all sorts of records, winning Chelski's first domestic league adn cup double not just some knockout competition fluke playing 9-0-1 formations - yet he got sacked after coming second in the league. So who the heck is RDM that he won't get fired?

The league?? Come off it if it was about winning the league Mourinho would still be manager. He didn't deliver in Europe. 2nd round and Quarter final exits
Embarrassing ones if I might add



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Lovely post! Madrid paid almost 60million pounds for Kaka. When the experiment failed they didn't try to force the team around him they simply went on to buy a younger cheaper Ozil who has performed excellently so what is so special about Torres

Tom Brady just making the entire Jets organization look like an Arena Football team. Just binshslapping deucing and pissing on these hoesss. Sanchez man that dude is just a wasteman and Ryan is dumber for not putting Tebow in the teammates are dumbest for not willing to give Tebow a chance. The biggest loser is the owner who said he would rather Romney win than the Jets make the playoffs lol seems like he gets neither
And personally I think its an insult that the Giants have to share the same stadium with a circus like the Jets

RGIII taking the Andrew Luck comparison personal these last two games. He's been highly efficient these last two games compared to Romo who just puts up big numbers but with minimal efficiency. 62 pass attempts to RG's 28 and barely made more yards

Texans 10-1 seems like the AFC has to go through them

On a sidenote Congrats to Big Ben on becoming a dad! Welcome back Plaxico to the Mighty Steelers leave your guns outside

r231: All of the above

For some reason, he doesn't look too happy with the Lakers

Shoulda waited till Kobe retired! I mean just look at how Kobe is still balling! And Duncan too. Puts a lot of younger guys in this league to shame including Dwight

I don't know which is worse Bynum's Afro or seeing Dwight on a headband

debosky: RDM failed to get the best out of Torres. FACT

Hodgson,Del Bosque,Ancelloti,AVB,RDM coaches with combined coaching experience of over half a century failed to get the best out of Torres. Lol Torres must be calculus or an enigma of some sort

debosky: RDM got sacked for his mistakes, one of which was failing to get the best out of Torres. FACT

What where his other mistakes?? Not having a viable option for Torres has been his only mistake

debosky: RDM was given over £60m of new talent (whether bought by Emenalo or by the tooth fairy) and he was unable to use that talent effectively to the point they are on the verge of CL elimination. FACT

How many of these signings does RDM have a say in? This is Chelsea we are talking about here

debosky: We've heard these vacuous arguments before - the same squad AVB couldn't get the best out of was the one that won the CL and FA cup. The same squad Scolari could not get the best out of won the FA Cup and pushed hard for the title.

AVB had won zero titles at Chelsea same with Scolari so I can understand them being fired but you would expect that a coach that delivered two major silverwares the previous season including the holy grail be given some wiggle room. Roman has to realize you can't win every damn time! Even the Yankees don't win every World Series

debosky: The fact is, if Chelski were going forward to qualify for the CL round of 16, then he wouldn't be sacked. Torres didn't concede 3 goals y'day, so keep blaming Torres.

AVB qualified Chelsea for the round of 16 and still got fired!! Let's face it RA is a maniac!

dayokanu: Since when has Torres been the dedicated penalty taker for any team he ever played for the wigga can't even shoot straight

Was Torres not the liverless wigga that refused to play a penalty against Birmingham in the Carling Cup last season?
Where was he when Ashley Cole (LB) David Luiz (CB) stepped up to the bullpen in Munich?