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nutarious:
As a Muslim one should be truthful to ask how Muhammad, gave a truth to a tribe after 600 years and that's the best factual statement and it dosnt have any commentaries before him to back him up or History.


This is what the OP is challenging, is like a Ghanaian telling the story of OBA OF Benin.


Not everybody is interested in the Faith, but definitely everybody wants to know the Truth.

Was Muhammad the Founder of Islam Faith, Yes, that's a Truth even though am not interested in serving Muhammad god, is Jesus the Author and finisher of Christian faith, Yes.


We are talking of Truth that's Verifiable. If you can't defend a Truth. Just keep mute.

You people and your ridiculous analogies no go kee person. We're talking God and you're here comparing him with your oba. SMH

nutarious:
Your Vexation didn't actually communicated anything meaningful. You must be conscious of the thousands of intelligent persons reading through.


The Question the Op was asking is if you actually trust the genuity of your Book then everything must be explained when it tries to give a Stand point to other people's faith.

Your book came 600years plus after Jesus's death and should actually have better statements than the one it tried to change.


The Question OP is asking if not answered makes your book another book of Faith but not necessarily of Truth.

For Truth is Verifiable.

That you strongly Beleive in your book dosnt make it a Truthful book, there other religion with their sacred books.

If your Faith Claims to carry truth, then it should be verified.

Truth is verifiable? Yes it is; but a good story trumps the truth all times..

KingSango:
How so

I'm not a Muslim

I'm a Moslem

Islam today is just like Christianity organized and watered down for mass soul control

True religion puts God first and the true reality of the cosmos just as Ifa does

Read my signature you will see for yourself what I advocate yet I'm comfortable in any religion because I know the truth

For someone who claims to be well informed yet you don't know the difference between Muslim and Moslem.

haryomikun:
Not close? Not close?!!!!

I'll get you YouTube links bros. Ali was the fastest, I admit that. Mike Tyson is ranked 3rd fastest heavyweight in my books after Ali and Floyd Patterson

None of the aforementioned had his combined speed and power!

Tyson had no skill?!!!! No skill? Ohhhhh my Gawwwwd I wan start dey cry here...

He was mostly known for punch power and knockouts just like Ronaldo is known for goals

However, because Ronaldo is popularized for goal scoring doesn't mean he has no skills. Same with Mike. I'll put YouTube links here make you sabi

And yes, I'm a Tyson fan. If not for him I wouldn't know anything about the boxers I know today. Boxing can be a boring sport. Tyson made me love it.

My cousins who are about age 11 only watch Ali and Tyson. If there were more Tysons in boxing, i guarantee you, this mumu WWE that everyone is running to would lose prominence compared to boxing

Boxing was popular when there was Ron Lyle, Liston, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Cleveland Williams and others. These are hard punchers. People want to see knockouts not two men dancing for 12 rounds.

Ali didn't have so many knockouts but he was interesting all the same.

Boxing is dying as a sport...

I respect your opinions 100%. However; I see Tyson like me big bro. He was a menacing and fearsome street boxer back in the days because he had powerful right hand but a few of his friends were definitely more skillful.

Ali was something else. His footwork was madt. He was flexible and enjoyable to watch, just like Messi.
It's a sacrilege to mention WWE in the same context as Boxing. In fact, it's a taboo.

shadeyinka:
Ore wa!

Sorry for how you feel about comments here.

The issue at stake is that Both Christians and Muslims believe that
1. God has power to do anything
2. Jesus son of Mary had no earthly father
3. There was an attempt by the Jews to Crucify Him

The question is that,
Allah is powerful enough to remove Jesus from the earth if that is what was required
BUT
Muslims say "Jesus was taken bodily to God in Heaven"
And as Christians, the question was
1. Was it in the presence of some of Jesus disciples or in secret?

Even if Allah would have done a miracle, it wouldn't exclude either of these two possibilities.

THE TRUTH IS NEVER AFRAID OF QUESTIONING. For questions actually validate the truth.

Your penitence should be about your colleague's comments not my feelings.

God has the power to do anything you wrote yet you get all giddy and asking irrelevant questions. How do you people even think self. You think Allah is bound by the laws of this 3D world. Allah can bend and suspend all physical laws at will, if he so desires. And this is you or any Christian cannot logically prove Mary's conception of Jesus was not a post-coital culmination, but I don't see you asking for the nitty-gritty of such possibility.

sagenaija:
Aadoiza, Empiree:
Imagine this:
A magician turns a white bird into red.
You say you see a red bird.
The magician says: No. I only made it appear red to you; it is actually white.
And then he turns round to claim that you are a fool for believing that what you saw as red you said it was red.

That is the logic of Allah in this portion of the Koran.

If Allah deceived people into believing that it was not Jesus that was crucified we can deduce 2 things from here:
1. Someone was crucified in the place of Jesus. In other words, there was a SUBSTITUTIONARY death for Jesus, according to the koran. An innocent person since it was Jesus they wanted to kill? Yes or No? Yes!
2.The people who were deceived SAW what Allah made them SEE. So, they are saying exactly what they saw. They were witnessing to what they saw. Yes or No? Yes!

So, if Allah made Jews and Christians walk in his DECEPTION for hundreds of years until Mohamed came and still made them victims of his own deception what kind of god are we talking about here?
Does this make any moral sense?
Here you are trying to defend the indefensible.

You're thinking like the atheists. Is your imaginary magician all powerful? Your analogy reeks of sheer ignorance as regards the All mighty. Now I understand better why God says: if you don't know me how can you worship me.
You will continue hitting rock bottom if you fail to acknowledge the possibility of "logic attrition" in divine dispositions. (A trait shared by the atheists.)

Allah worked a mystery because he works in mysterious ways. He does what he wants how he wants and when he wants, and is not amenable to anyone. Your problem is you believe Allah SWT is not God and that's why you lose your moral inclinations and make reckless and cavalier comments about him, which is as counterintuitive as it gets, even Jesus would be disappointed

cococandy:
Nobody cares.

He should go find the ones he fathered with other women who are married to other men and take them abroad with him. Let those other men take their turns crying.

It’s the cycle of life. We are all polygamous in nature.

Ah!! Na wah for you oo. You had to rephrase that ancient saying. LOL

KingSango:
My point is to show evidence that Sufi Islam Is Mathematics and was the religion of Ancient Egypt

Can you disprove

I have come in peace not to disprove nothing. You should have taken this to the Islam section instead.

Empiree:
at least our Book was dated "7th century" as you said. But yours had no date.


Bible ghost writers had to rewrite their famous King James in 1604 and completed as well as published it in 1611 centuries after Jesus. And you want me to believe their stories?.

You funny

These people are hypocritically funny, I swear.

sagenaija:
It is this failure of majority of you Moslems to REASON logically that has made you accept accept 7th century Arabian tales as a collection from God.

Even the compilers never saw it fit to arrange it in an orderly way such that the first revelation to Mohamed is almost toward the end of the book and each chapter contains unrelated stories and statements.

A book that claims to make things plain but still ends up making the reader more confused is not what any objective mind will accept as having any divine validity.

If your god reasons upside down then tell us. Maybe then it will be easy for us to appreciate where he is coming from. If your CLEAR book requires us to suspend our brains then we say 'hold in to it'. We will stick to our more logical Bible.

When every question is met with all kinds of excuses then don't you think something is wrong with that religion?

I'm gobsmacked at your awfully shabby vitriolic comment on Allah. Why are you lot, Christians, so hate driven? Are hypocrisy and comptempt biblical commandments? Kila gbe, kile ju. You're demanding for logical explanations on divine matters. I thought you Christians were always chirping "God works in mysterious ways." Why can't you have this miracle that Allah did subsumed under the omnipotence and the divine mysteries of God. Like Allah says the witnesses were full of conjectures. Why are Mark's and Luke's accounts almost contradictory? If Jesus's cross is the blueprint of crucifix, which of the modern crucifixes is the real McCoy? All I see are conjectures upon conjectures.

If you're so bloody sure of your logical bible, why don't you give us the logical explanation of Jesus's birth from the Bible.

haryomikun:
Who almost put Tyson away? Bruno? With his incessant holding. Please, sir, watch both matches again

Tyson lost to those tall guys AFTER HIS PRIME. you don't expect someone who lost two father figures within 3 years, was divorcing his wife, was being roped in by a fraudster promoter (Don King) and was portrayed in the media as a rapist to remain on top

When he had none of these troubles in his life, He beat Sammy the Gaint who was 6'6 and Richardson who was 6'6 too...

Or would you say Holyfield beat Tyson when he was having troubles at home because he was 6'1?

Everybody Mike Tyson beat was taller than him.

EVERYONE

Spinks was 6'3 and was beaten in 91 seconds, the only loss of his career.

Frazier's son was 6'4 and was beaten in 30 seconds!

By the time McBride beat him, he was gone bro... You can't compare the Mike of 1986 with 2006 naaa.

Trust me, if Tyson wasn't that good, he wouldnt remain relevant till today. Have you seen his training videos? Have you seen his blinding speed? Even Ali didn't have that amount of shared speed and power as fast as he was.

He was as fast as Ali, with the punch power of Foreman, defence of Ali, offense of Marciano

That boy won the Junior Heavyweight Olympics

He won 3 titles at the age of 21. I reiterate, nobody that is not that good will win 3 titles at that age.

NOBODY!

Gosh!!! You really Iike Tyson. But, honestly, he was not as fast as Ali, not even close. Tyson was a scary monster because of his power and aggression. He had absolutely no skill, as far as I'm concerned, but had a killer left hook..

Onelaw:
There is no one on this Earth who spells it out the way I do

That statement up there is an unrivalled menadacity. You haven't even given a clue as to what you're on about, only that you're an esoterica enthusiast, and so bloody what? There have been several of such people on here from Islam, occult, humanist standpoints who opened a thread to teach and guide would-be esoterists and those who find such knowledge interesting. So I ask: are you here to teach and provide guide on spirituality or you just wanna show off?

Empiree:
lol... Yes, now..I was reluctant to say anything to him knowing how these CHRISTIANs behave. So he took that as weakness on my side so I gave him his dose.

A deserved dose. And, of course, he had coming.

I dey laugh in yoruba here. Imagine Shadeyinka and sagenaija requesting logical explanations on how Allah took Jesus to heaven; as if every story in religion is logical.

PrecisionFx:
Jesus (Judas) was shouting on the cross My God my God, why have u forgotten me!! A god doesnt call on himself in heaven to help him on the cross, rather it is man that calls on God for help .

The Bible recorded 2 different ways by which Judas died. That should tell u a lot of things, use ur bible to confirm it....There are 2 conflicting tales on how Judas died.

Most people didn't know Jesus by face, that's why the Romans made a plan to pay someone to identify Jesus for them by kissing him.

Jesus never went to heaven, He used the same levitation trick that Chris Angel does every other day to fool the people who witnessed his ascension.

Death by crucifixion takes 4 - 7 days, but the man on the cross died after a few hours, there was a plan to make sure that the Romans never got to find out that the man on the cross wasn't Jesus. So Jesus and his disciples paid a soldier to stab the man on the cross so that he won't die because of the crucifixion which would have taken up to 1 week and thus nobody found out that it wasn't Jesus on the cross.











Read up the whole episode from before Jesus's arrest till his death, U will see a lot of evidence about the facts I talked about.

Hmm, interesting theory.

Empiree:
you need to talk harder. Whatever happened was not the focus of Quran. What quran needed was that Jesus was not kill it crucified. This is sufficient for us. My question which both of you evaded was, who killed Jesus and who led to his capture?.

We as musings are not interested in supertition that too place. God tells us he was not killed he was not crucified. We don't need witnesses stories. As I said before, Quran goes further to say witnesses were in doubt and they have no knowledge of what actually happened.

Again, this is sufficient for us. We believe in what had been revealed to us. If witnesses were sure they would give you two different account if his crucifixion.

Once again, Jesus said he would die in peace but his "death" according to CHRISTIANITY was very violent one. "Being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground” (Luke 22:44, emphasis added). Subsequently He is arrested, beaten, and executed in grotesque and humiliating fashion. The Roman system of crucifixion had been finely tuned to produce the maximum of pain. In fact, the word excruciating (literally, “out of the cross”) had to be invented to fully codify its horror.

If Mark and Luke accounts were recorded separately, didn't they get their information from the same source (s) eyewitnesses?.

This means eyewitnesses accounts were false as Quran rightly said. Too much holes in your Bible.

Ma sha Allah.

Empiree:
okay, now I seen your confusion. You believe God is powerful and can do anything, right?. If God is powerful, is He not powerful enough to cloud Jesus' killers and raise him up?. He created the universe. He created the sky without anything holding it up. Why is He not capable of raising Jesus to Himself however He wanted?. Unless you want to tell me now that God is not that powerful. How God lifted Jesus or what really happened was never a big matter of concern to us.




Yes, Jesus' death is in the future. When Jesus was born according to Quran, he spoke in his cradle: ".... Peace be upon me the day I was born and the day I die"

Clearly, if someone is nailed on the cross, what do you call that?. Is that peaceful death?. That's violent death. To make the matter worse, CHRISTIANs continue to carry the cross to indicate how their God was violently killed.

According to CHRISTIANITY, Jesus was killed by Jews. My question to you is, if Jesus was killed, is killing not violent?. They nailed his hands and legs on the cross. They put on his head crown of thorns indicating his violent ending. This is contrary to Jesus statement that he would die peacefully. Therefore, he must return and later die in peace after he breaks the cross (symbolising end of CHRISTIANITY) and kill the pigs.

So we have ayah in sura 43:61 indicating his return


And he ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)] shall be a known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (Day of Resurrection) [i.e. 'Iesa's (Jesus) descent on the earth] . Therefore have no doubt concerning it (i.e. the Day of Resurrection). And follow Me (Allah) (i.e. be obedient to Allah and do what He orders you to do, O mankind)! This is the Straight Path (of Islamic Monotheism, leading to Allah and to His Paradise).

Also Quran tells us in one Ayah comparing sleep and death. It says when Allah takes soul while we asleep, those who wake up the following day is because Allah returns their soul until appointed time. Those who did not wake up and die in their sleep is because God took their soul. This is exactly how to discribe incident of Jesus because the same word is used "maut"



Quran already debunked this in the previous verse I quoted.

It says those who were present there were full of doubts and conjectures. This makes your claim irrelevant. Plus this narration of yours about witnesses can not be verified due to credibility of Bible and eyewitnesses. Quran speaks

"And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it." Sura 4:157

To further confirm doubts of the eyewitnesses you relied on, we seen their confusion in the narrations how Jesus was hanged on the cross. If they were not in doubt they should all give us one account how Jesus was hanged (see attachment)

Mark and Luke's accounts of crucifixion are different.



sorry to disappoint you. Quran isn't talking about Bible according to John, Mathew, Mark and Luke. It is only talking about scripture given to Jesus. Chronological Gospels are according to their writers not Jesus. This refutes you in a very simple way.

Now Empiree is vexed..

Onelaw:
If you're confused then how come you are still here

I came aboard to make you realise you're not communicating, which I hope you start doing. That's why I'm still here, for the time being.

Onelaw:
What are you crazy or is it me

I'm the one giving here and your e trying extract more

The nature of man is carnal

At least, now, I got what I wanted. You wrote plainly here, and now you can see it's not so bad to make your points as simple and plain as possible.

And do not get it twisted, mate, you're not giving anything here but rather confusing us with something.

Truth234:
Then Tyson himself is lying, he said AJ will beat him. AJ started boxing because of people like Tyson, in fact, he used to emulate him. Hence, he will never admit he would beat him.

Frank Bruno was too respectful and scared in the ring, still, he almost put Tyson away and cause him all sort of trouble.

Again, you don't seem to understand how boxing works, there are weak champions due to available oppositions as at the time. During Marciano era he was fighting people of his size or poor skill level. Who could believe someone like Martins would ever be a World Champion given his skill set? But he was until AJ defeated him. In fact, Deontay was offered to face him, before AJ surprisingly he turned it down.

A question, why did you think all the tall heavy guy Tyson faced beat him? Buster Douglas (6.4), Evander Holyfield (6.3), Lewis (6.5), Danny Williams (6.3) and Kevin McBride (6.6)?

And Frank Bruno (6.3) could have done it as well, given the trouble he caused Tyson in the ring but everyone agreed he was too respectful (psychologically scared). However, his fight was the one that gave Tyson away and exposed his struggle against good bigger guys.

You see because Tyson was a perfect Cus d'amato experiment for modern day boxing with the right media to push his brand does not mean he was that good, any time he stepped up he failed. I am a hardcore boxing fan.

I throway salute, bros. You sure know boxing.

Truth234:
AJ will beat Holyfield easy, even Tyson faster, Lewis will be tough because of his height.

This is not from me, but them Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis admit they are very big and train with more sophisticated means now. Tyson is too short to survive this era, he said it himself. AJ is 6.6, Wilder 6.7 and Fury 6.9.

It is the same principle they used in projecting AJ victory against Klitschko at that early stage in his career. They knew WK used to bully people with size but with Anthony Joshua height and power, he stands no chance despite his skill level.

Was it a tough fight? Yes but did AJ win after just 18 fights ? Yes he did. A good big guy will always win a small good guy.

You should remember that Klitscho was 41 at the time, which counted a lot.

haryomikun:
Buster Douglas wasn't a real test. He was a bum

You're simply saying real test because you have the advantage of hindsight

Yes Buster Douglas. You're probably right. The thing is Tyson's promoter did a a good job lining up some average fights for him when he started out

Why are you in dilemma, Onelaw?

Onelaw:
How come you are here if you have everything

You're either vague or deceitful

Good one, Onelaw. The last post was meant to extract something from you, however; you scraped through. Nice!

Onelaw:
Man's understanding of Allah is vague

Surely you are humble

Allah SWT has given us enough of what we need to comprehend of infinite nature

Onelaw:
No, urgency


Judgement isn't coming


It is here

My mother's name really is Mary


And I really do have a step father whose name is Joseph

My people African Americans are the lost Hebrews and the world knows it


My name is John washington which comes to 1943 in English Gematria

The King of the Jews is 1943

I am no different than Yashua and he is no different than me

I taught you the knowledge of the East didn t I

Only world appearances make people misjudged and not act urgently on the message

Nigeria got the message on agriculture so I am happy


www.feedyourselfandyourfamily..com

If you're gonna continue cloaking your posts in vagueness, this is not the right platform to do so.

ednut1:
fought bums all through. If it was not an sold retired boxer it would be an unknown boxer lol. Even klitscho wey lose last 2 matches performed better than holmes

Michael Douglas was the first real test he had in 1990, but what happened? He choked.

ednut1:
mention one prime fighter he beat. Holyfield twice, lennox lewis

People who don't know boxing think Iron Mike Tyson is the GOAT

Estellie:
Ugly cars . Worwor man .

Please where's Anthony Joshua.. My handsome fighter, the love of my life

If that worwor man catch your AJ ehn...

Onelaw:
Just because you don't do magic doesn t mean you're protected

Your replies should be characterised by simplicity.

Onelaw:
Published on Apr 25, 2019

 

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I thought they said this is all conspiracy theory.

Empiree:
Next time you come across group, say hello to "Alfa" in the group only and remind them of Allaah's verses. No need to argue with them. Just wait to see what they say to determine their intentions.Give them benefits of the doubt. Being in the group is not a full proof but definitely grey area. If it is true, then, they are the ones that is giving Alhusunnah nerve to condemn all Alfas. I don't like relating with such Alfas. When they entered alliance with alawo, they have entered igbo irunmole of no return.

From experience, they'd probably say: This is Africa and not Saudi, and that Africa was created with a particular "Odu Ifa", so there is no way you could use Allah's names without juxtaposing Ifa with them. And also that the village people here don't understand Arabic, for example, you're reading ayatul Qurisiyu for protection from "winch" they won't understand and they'll be no effects unless you speak the language they understand. These are some of the justifications they give