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Empiree:
Wallahi i was sitting next to one on Eld. While everyone recite dhikr collectively, the brother made sure he contradicted us. While we are saying Allahu Akbar, he swiftly jumped to the end of dhikr to distinguish himself from he rest. He confused me self.

Empire, ku ku come and kee me. You wan kee me with tough questions on one thread and laff on this one

As for those fake sufi, there problem is ignorant just like those ignorant Salafists. Sometimes they dont want to seek knowledge at all. It is their type that will later tell you sufism is shirk bcus that's what they did..

YES!!! The olodos are to blame for the mess

About the salafist, I feel they have a hidden agenda but are hiding under the pretext of sunna to achieve it. If the prophet had practised Islam the way they practice it now few people will accept it from him, heck he even warned us against extremism in religion.

Only time will tell.
At the emboldened sentence, that they fail to realise.

I used to be very wary about the sufis just like you and this is due to the traces of shirk I see from these so called sufis. Instances like bowing to the picture of Ibrahim niyas, and stuffs like that gives credence to my wariness. It was Empiree that changed my perspective about them, he said we should look at the basis and not how some misguided people claiming to be sufis proclaim sufis to be. Sufism in its true and pure form was based on the glorification and remembrance of Allah which has over the years been corrupted. We dont judge islam based on the madness of ISIS and boko haram.

I love this. It seems you all do reflect on most of these issues. I didn't even know then they were called Sufi even though I grew up in their midst. All I knew was some were called tijaniyyah, some qadiriyyah (this i used to identify with), but l wasn't very proud about ways.

The height of my disillusionment with tijaniyyah was when a sheik, I went for his asalatu, said Niyyas was the Holy Prophet's incarnate just as Amadu tijani was, and I just couldn't wait to leave that gathering. However; I have always known how how these sufis always stay awake at night to do dhikr, though some of them don't observe salah. I thought about their love of dhikr for a very long time and said to myself, sheik Adam, Sambo, Salati, et al, could not all have been wrong and asked myself why would these great respectable scholars deliberately choose the path of shaytan? While still reflecting on this, I told my big brother that if there is anything like pristine sufism the sufis will be the best among Muslims for their constant remembrance of Allah.
Not too long ago, I started reading Sheikh Empiree's exposition on sufism and it clicked.

About the shias cutting themselves to share in the pains of the progeny of the prophet I don't think it is part of the basis of shiasm so many shia scholars have condemned it in its entirety. I think sunnis like playing this card to portray shias in bad light.

I recently went on a voyage of discovery about shiasm bro, what I found out is still shocking to me. All I can say for now is that I believe in the superiority of Ali above all other caliphs, this believe is reinforced by numerous hadiths one of which the prophet calls himself the city of knowledge and Ali is the gate. And please shia don't worship Ali.

I don't know if I should hold any belief in the superiority one of them over the others, but one thing is certain, the sunnis seem to believe the first three khalifas after Rasool were superior to Ali, and I think that's why they would mention those ones 10 times before Ali but they don't hate him like the Shia say. Personally, I have come to favour Imam Ali more, especially after reading about what was done to him and his family by our fellow Muslim brothers ( I read the horrific account here first either by LagosShia or Albaqir).
I want to have a first-hand experience of shiism like you, brother, not just guzzling the disinformation littering our airways. It's sickening!!!

left for me I wish there is no sect or division in Islam, it breeds contempt and sectionalism which will do muslims no good. It blinds people from seeing the beauty of true Islam.

Ultimately, this should be the goal of every modern-day Muslims. Let's forget whatever brought about this insidious schism in our religion, after all none of us played a role in its genesis, and chart a new unifying course for the Ummah. Is this too much to ask?

Frenchkiss564:
During my university days salafis almost destroyed the Muslim community, they hijacked MSSN, condemned group zikr, condemned muslims greeting each other jumah Mubarak they said the sahabas never did it.

This did not go down well with the lecturers, the conflict got to the point that mosques in OAU halls of residence are still closed to this day.

Sultan of sokoto, Etsu of Nupe, MUSWAN had to step in to relief tension.

This is shocking. Most of the so-called salafis could be reckless sometimes. The way they go about foisting their aqeedah on everyone does not portray them as true allu sunnah. If I hadn't met a few good ones I would have thought that the sect was based on hate. I have come to realise that most of the recklessness and extremism shown by the various sects, first, have to do with the individuals involved rather than the sects themselves. For instance, some of the Sufi guys, especially the yoruba ones, have come across here in Lagos are in to shirk. In fact, it got to a point in my life when I started contemplating whether witches could be as powerful as the almighty Allah SWT. This stemmed from the kind of sermons I was listening to by these people then, but not all sufists would espouse such obvious shirk. And then we have heard about cases of some shia cursing some sahaba, cutting themselves (self-flagellation) to supposedly share in imam Hussein's (RA) suffering during his murder, and so on. And again not all of them do these. (Albaqir, if you know of any Shia masjid in Lagos come I can go to worship sometimes. I have to know these people not just believing all the shocking things I hear about them.)
So it's the individuals not necessarily the sects per se. It's why I always say our beloved Prophet would be utterly disappointed in us, even with self-styled Allu sunnah.

bettercreature:
It is lightening that killed him , it’s obvious the blogger don’t know how lightening works
That is why you must stay away from electric cables or anything iron or rain water when it’s raining
It wasn’t the electricity from the transformer,it was the one produced by lightening
That same lightening that killed him blew up the transformer

You be better pikin wey get sense

phunbyt:
I got a Honda Accord baby boy recently and the gear shift is draining me off cash... It delays before shifting from one gear to another. Lagos mechanics have scammed me within the last two months and I'm dead broke right now. I need to move the car to Ilorin for business...


One said it's a rewire's work, rewire did it still the problem persist please what do I need to do I'm a novice please experts should please tell me what the problem could be and what can be done.

First off, have it scanned to see if it's electrical or mechanical faults. If the retrieved codes are P2708, P2710 shift solenoid and other related codes it's electrical, then you can get a car wiring specialist (rewire) to check out but most of them don't know about these valve body related problems, so be careful.

You can't treat me like shiit if I haven't committed any crime.

Erolow:
I understand

Hmm. One of my boys use Apple watch scatter exam for school ehn..

Na because of smart watches. Good move

AlBaqir:
I have clearly submitted my firm understanding and believe about meaning and requirements of Bid'at. So, how would I ever be hunted by that like the salafi?






Purposely? Why would you think like that? I am not comparing Sunnism and Shiism here brother. Tarawih is an outright bid'at in Shi'i fiqh. Even the so called 23rd, 25th and 27th nights that Sunni hadith said Prophet prayed qiyam al-layl in congregations is not accepted in Shi'i school. Yet, I brought that option based on what Sunni documented. Unfortunately here you accusing me of doing it deliberately out of sectarianism. Subhanallah.

On one hand, you yourself clearly stated you don't buy the laughable "linguistic" excuse of Sunni/Salafi scholars saying the "Bid'at" used by Umar is just in a linguistical term; yet, you still believe there is nothing wrong in that Bid'at. Which way are you going ganngan brother?

I'm NOT doing anything deliberately out of sectarianism o.

No no no... Doing it "purposely" here as I wrote above should be seen in a positive light. As in you're making emphasis on this to expose the embedded hypocrisy.
I think this very hadith may be the reason some hausa masaajid here in Lagos don't observe taraweeh immediately after ishai. They observe theirs at midnight, I think. Some don't even observe it at all and probably do qiyamul layl individually much later in the night. In sha Allah I will follow suit. However, I still don't want to believe those observing it in jammah are astray.

Empiree:
Another point is, Sino acknowledged Sunnah is better here. That's, praying nawafil(taraweeh) at home rather than masjid. I have no problem with this at all. What I have problem with is, people who shout "Quran and Sunnah" up and down, especially masjid where I pray, Imam always comes up with this every jummah condemning bidiah. He says "will you give up what is better for what is less than quality".


Yet, taraweeh is congregated in his masjid. This is why I said all this back and forth hunts Alhusunnah too.

That emboldened statement is our biggest problem.

This imam in question is very strict on what he considers Sunnah and bidia. So I wonder why he doesn't adhere to what is better (taraweeh in the masjid or taraweeh in the house).

A thing I have also wondered about our salafi imams here as well. And dem go dey shout sunnah upandan.

As albaqir successfully argued his way out in this topic, if he uses the same approach on other practice (s) of Shia, it will hunt him too bcuz he strictly adheres to definition of bidia. That's bidiah is bidiah, good or bad leads astray according to him. This is exactly what Salafi imam where I pray says too.

I think Albaqir is purposely doing this to expose the double standard therein.

All of us are full of double standards.

Some no go wan agree with this. Sectarianism has consumed the better part of some people's brains.

sino:
There wouldn't have been an issue with regards to this if not that it has to do with sectarian predispositions.

Absolutely spot on.

sino:
May Allah continue to guide us and make us better Muslims, ameen.

Ameen

AlBaqir:
Dear brother, all bid'at in religion are misguidance and will lead straight to hell as the Prophet clearly said. What people especially the salafi failed to understand is the definition of bid'at and conditions for something to be tag "Bid'at. Rather they tag everything "new" bid'at. What is not bid'at is not bid'at despite the fact that Prophet or sahabah never practice it or not mentioned specifically in the Quran.

I totally agree with this. Not all practices not done by the Prophet are bidiah, but the Allu sunnah say there are good and bad bidiah. I believe what you mean by introducing a good new practice is what they call good bidiah.

sino:
So we can establish from the above,
1. The Prophet (SAW) prayed qiyamu layl in the month of Ramadan
2. The Prophet led a congregation of qiyamu layl in the month of Ramadan
3. The companions observed qiyamu layl in the month of Ramadan
4. The Prophet (SAW) didn't want qiyamu layl made obligatory on the Ummah so he discontinued the congregation in the mosque
5. Praying qiyamu layl at home is the best and this does not mean praying it in the mosque is forbidden!

That No 5 point is, in all honesty, the right view. Praying congregational qiyamul layl in the masjid can't be haram. It may be less rewarding, though, not haram.

Good to see your inputs on Nairaland once again, sino. A brilliant man you are

Empiree:
this is my point. There is energy in group or jummah. I have pointed out some undeniable facts why congregational taraweeh is good. This is why I said it is good bidiah as Umar (ra) rightly said. Forget about linguistics nonesense.

What is your take on the Prophet disbanding the congregation lest it be made obligatory?

Empiree:
O ti su faah.

People love and hate base on faction he or she belongs to while bypassing daleel. This is sad reality we are facing today. We are gradually following lizard hole but I refuse to follow that direction.

Sun ke, for twelve? Nba

It is sad indeed. To call a spade a spade, Albaqir is 100% right on this and he brought forth daleel from sunni sources to support his claim. However, someone like me don't believe every bidiah is bad. Take group dhikr for instance, with all the condemnation thereof by Allu sunnah I don't see the wrong in a group of people calling Allah's names and praising him. We tend to make unnecessary fuss over irrelevancies

AlBaqir:
Sometimes we need to let go our ego and take the raw truth as it is.

# Point one: Bid'ah is Bid'ah: There is nothing like good Bid'ah and bad Bid'ah. Prophet clearly stated, "kullu Bid'ati dalala....Every bid'at is misguidance...." This is as far as Islamic laws are concerned.

# Point two: Practices could either be Sunnah, bid'at or good practice. The application of "bid'at" to every new practices not practically done by the Prophet is totally wrong. Hence, we need to set the record straight by redefining what Bid'at really is? Salafi is totally wrong with their definition of bid'at.

# Point three: As per Tarawih that Sunni prayed today, like it or not: IT IS 100% BID'AT.

1. It is not supposed to be hold in congregations: prophet forbid it and ordered individual prayer at home

2. The only exception given by the Prophet was 23rd, 25th and 27th for the purpose of seeking night of majesty. This is the only night prayer that Prophet held in congregations during the month of Ramadan according to Sunni traditions

3. Today's timing of tarawih is totally wrong from the time Umar ibn al-khattab formulated it. Prophet ONLY prayed night prayers in the month of Ramadan at the middle of the night not after Ishai. Interestingly Umar after calling his own version "bid'at" went further saying "BUT that which they first sleep and then wake up to pray is better than this".
Obviously, Sunnah will always better than Bid'at even if one hates it.

4. Tarawih after Ishai is usually between 10 - 20 rakaat. Prophet night prayer is just 11 rakaat with the inclusion of saf' and witr.

#Point 4: Yes, tarawih has become tradition among the Sunnis. The annoying thing is linking it to the Prophet as if he established it the way it is being prayed today.

And Empiree, please there is nothing like "Shia understanding or Shia point of views" here. All the submission at the OP are 100% Sunni traditions. Sunni ulama in order to save face might distort its interpretations and give it meaning suitable to their own practice but they will never erase those clear ahadith. And as you can see there is a video posted above: Sunni shuyukh debating on the issue: one is economical with the truth, the other is not. So again please leave Shia out of this please. This is simple research work.

At the end man always has choice: right or wrong.

Well you have overwhelming evidence to back your claim, but are you saying Umar would deliberately go against a well-established sunnah? I think not. He had good reasons to fix the chaotic situation resulting from the too many people observing nawafil separately that night by enjoining them to do so in congregation. Of course the Prophet's way is the best way, and the congregation type should be done with the intention bringing people together, even if not as rewarding..

In sha Allah, I will get different perspectives on this.

Alhajiemeritus:
During the prophet's time all Quran verses were not compiled in a single place but during Umar's Kaliphate the Quran was compiled into one that we even have a verse of concern.
Will they call that bidiah too, since the holy prophet did not do it.
I just tire for all the bidiasts.
Yes that's their name Bidiasts.

This is exactly what I meant. Nobody is doing exactly the same way Rasool did it.
Sectarianism is killing us. Albaqir can't make good points without some calling him Shia or kafir or allu bidiah, which I think is ridiculous. Shey we no fit agree to disagree without name calling ni? After all, Allah and his messenger did not endorse any sect

I always knew tagging most things bidah would come back to haunt the salafi, and this is one the results.
The very fact that Umar RA called it bidah shouldn't provoke any form of ambiguity. Bidah is bidah period. And I'm not buying the "linguistic sense" drivel. it's one horribly concocted defence mechanism, a shabby use of semantics to paper over the cracks in the whole brouhaha.

Someof the questions we should be asking: is the practice wrong? No. Is it bidah? Yes. Is it a good bidah? Yes. Will I join my brothers in observing tarawih tonight? Yes.

If you (all sects) still think your sect is doing exactly what the Prophet SAW did, you dey deceive yourselves.

LyfeJennings:
He is
He only has deeper knowledge of our existence

I don hear oo. But the guy is terribly mysterious

[quote author=Empiree post=78327491][/quote]Gba irawo. All this African science dey work oo.

LyfeJennings:
U fucking brilliant hommie
Very very very brilliant
I'd like to know u

That guy is not human. Let him come and prove me wrong

Tessyy1701:
What is verse of concern?

It's in Sura At-Tauba. Qur'an 9 vs 128 & 129 (the last 2 verses)

movado19:
Same on my mind. And also the case of recycled qareens...my question is, why recycle when it's very possible and doable to have a unique qareen for every individual?
I am not doubting the experiences of people, I just want to really understand the whole concept of akudas as well as jasads.

I think Ikupakuti's theory on Abiku is the most plausible I have read anywhere. Some Alfas here in Nigeria totally dispel this 'Abiku phenomenon', saying it does not happen. And that's a lie.

My mother's younger sister is Abiku. I can remember the number of times my mother said she died and came back. She said, it got to a point my grandfather got tired of her and burned her body, then again she returned and, this time, very black in complexion like charcoal. So my grandpa refused to name her thinking she'd die but she stayed and is very much alive today.

When I read kuti's theory on this, I, with immediate effect, adopted it as fact. Allahu allam.

LadunaI:
At time, I do think Ikupakuti is from another "planet" lol , such is his Islamic academic scholarship in this area. I pray he resurface once again .BTW Éku oungbé o to ALL.

I have often entertained this same thought long before my contributions on this evergreen thread.
In fact, I believe ikupakuti is not human. I have read and heard of numerous accounts of people, not excluding the occult, on esoterics but kuti offers much more than just experiences. It's as though he embodies it, as though his life in its entirety is esoteric. I think he merely peeps into our to more light on the sources of beffudlment on spirituality.

I still hope he returns to Nairaland.

donbenie:
Giant Gonzalez..

7.7 Feet..

The Undertaker at 6'10 Feet,barely reached the guy's jaw.

I think Jorge Gonzalez is actually 8ft, but then, how many wrestlers are/were as tall as that. I'm not even sure sure any of the current indomie generation wrestlers is up to 7ft.

donbenie:
If he's the tallest man in Nigeria at 7.4 Feet,then Nigeria is a Nation of short people..

Some Wrestlers are Taller without even trying.

Mention one

Hotworta1:
Swidy, i must confess...most of us are disgusted even if we aint shouting it here.

You see, in a country like ours,where our leaders both political and religious have bent us outta shape on the daily...what else do u want to hear?!

Even God wasn't happy with this guy's stupidity...since he decided to do "pepper dem", he disgraced him in d open.

Our leaders have bent us out of shape, right? Why slate yahoo boys on a daily for their criminal and illegal hustle?
This sorta mindset is why I always say this country of ours is beyond redemption because of the explicit and implicit incorrigible criminals herein.

When they say the leaders are the reflections of their people, this is exactly what they mean. 99% of the posters are only disgusted at the flaunting lifestyle of this criminal and not at the criminal act itself. SHAME!!!

tintingz:
It seems I'm the pain in your neck.

God bless the God-hater.

Olodo

Bloody God-hater spending most of his life obsessing with Islam, and the Muslims on here dignifying him with undeserved responses. How can a supposedly smart God-hater not see the infantility in the abjectly insipid method he pertains to his monotonous promulgation routine

He comes on a faceless forum unabashedly cavorting on the Islam section and fulminating about precepts he understands not. Isn't it surprising we have never seen any of his innumerable threads on here assiduously promulgating the unparalleled, liberating and idyllic ideology he has etched on his forehead. Of course it's never gonna happen as the loony ideals he professes would leave sane minds dumbstruck. He will only ask prospective God-haters to start living the mindless life of consumerism and materialism, and calling Muslims delusional. Who that one epp?

ChristianNorth:
How does this relate to Ramadam.

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