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SenecaTheYonger:
Wow. Insightful. Now I see why Iran always hated the West. They completely fvcked them over from the beginning. Damn!!!!.

now u seeAmerica is no saint like most people think
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The are the biggest destroyers of democracy.

SenecaTheYonger:
Educate me on the subject

First you have to understand that Iran is one of the oldest nations on earth with China. They have been in continuous existence for thousands of years and have always been strong.But lets move to the 20th century.
In 1954, the democratically elected government of Iran decided to do what many newly independent democracies do:

Nationalize its oil industry

At the time, Iran’s oil was controlled by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, which essentially had a monopoly on the development and sale of Iranian oil. Anglo-Iranian was primarily British owned and was a holdover from the time Great Britain controlled Iran’s territory. The Iranian government wanted to buy out Anglo-Iranian’s interests.

As such, the UK imposed a boycott on Iranian oil to put pressure on the government to give in. Unfortunately, this strengthened Iran’s communist party (backed by Moscow) which certainly would have gone a lot further than the democratic socialist party wanted to do.

As such, the UK and US supported a coup against the democratically elected government which essentially put the military in charge under the ostensible authority of the Shah. Iran went from being a democracy to a dictatorship, but Iranian oil started flowing again. British and American interests thrived as did the Shah and the Iranian military.

The people of Iran, not so much.

For roughly the next 25 years the Shah robbed the country blind while the military terrorized the populace. It was able to do so because it had the full support of the United States government which gave it weapons.

But in 1979 the tables turned. The Shah became ill and the state security apparatus couldn’t deal with a growing number of student protests. In desperation, the military sought out the one person with enough credibility and anti-Shah credentials to be acceptable to the student protesters.


The Ayatollah Rohollah Khomeni, who had been living in exile in Paris.

On his return, the Ayatollah set up a religious council that took effective executive control of the country. The student protesters were mollified by creating a “Revolutionary Guard” which essentially made them a fascist police force responsible for security at the local level.

Iran then demanded:

The return of the Shah, who was in the United States for medical treatment
Repatriation of the Shah’s foreign assets, which they claimed had been stolen from the Iranian people.
The United States, having been caught completely by surprise by this turn of events (the CIA hadn’t thought the students a threat and totally overlooked the importance of Khomeni) was at a loss at how to proceed. President Carter decided to allow the Shah to remain in the United States and tried to explain to the new Iranian government that it couldn’t seize the Shah’s private assets.

The student revolutionaries weren’t going to take this lying down and in late 1979 they attacked the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, taking most of the staff hostage (some staff members managed to escape the compound and found refuge in the home of the Canadian ambassador). The military and religious leaders stood idly by and did nothing. Carter responded by completely cutting off diplomatic relations with Iran, seizing all Iranian assets in the United States, and imposing an embargo on the country.

Enter Ronald Reagan who was up against Carter in the 1980 presidential election. Behind the scenes, Reagan’s people encouraged the Iranians to keep hold of the hostages until after the election at which point they were promised a very good deal. As such, Tehran didn’t respond to the Carter administration’s diplomatic overtures. Carter made a military attempt to free the hostages which failed when two of the aircraft involved crashed at a staging point.

20 minutes after Reagan was sworn in, Iran released the hostages. However, it appears they were screwed - the sanctions stayed in place although some of Iran’s assets were transferred as part of the negotiations. Reagan thus got to deny giving money for hostages and got the good press when the hostages were released.

As for Obama, he created that deal with other major powers because everybody knew that Iran already has the know-how and tech to create nuclear bombs so the deal was designed to creat time so other agreements can be created and better negotiations can take place then Trump can along nnot understanding how international politics works and thinking he could bully stronger and proud nations.Iran is not an Arab nation they are totally different,far stronger innovative and advanced than any Arab country thiss is what Trump doesnt understand.He seems to think he is dealing with building contractors that he is used to dealing with.

SenecaTheYonger:
Educate me on the subject

Tell me what you want to know and i will try my best to be balanced on the issue

Etinosa1234:
lose? or they were planning to use over a million troops to Invade Japan after severe bombings of Tokyo...


That nuke was used to end the war faster

The estimated casualty was about a million soldiers. Also, the nukes did not make Japan surrender they surrendered when the SOVIET union entered the war against them. they now knew the war was hopeless

Correcto:
I did not request your analysis. I said wait till it escalates to nukes, you will find out if US is capable of nuking Iran.

Well I think your comment was unreasonable and unrealistic.

One4me:
No to mention that the "Nuclear fallout" will affect many countries surrounding iran and l am sure those countries will be asking the US not to threaten them with Nukes!

No one will use Nukes in the world of today, its a sledge hammer used to kill a fly.
But the only country that ha spromised to use Nukes, if if feels threatened (and that l am sure will have no scrupples to use it), is Israel.
I hope we have all read their Policy paper or the book titled "The Samson Option"

Even Isreal will use nukes on when there is an existential threat. And even after that, there will be consequences

Correcto:
Thank God you know nukes are not grenades, but do you know the only country to have used nukes on another country? The answer should silent you. I said wait till the escalation requires nukes.

They used the atomic bombs on Japan because it was feared that America will lose about a million troops invading Japan. That is a different kettle of fish.

Correcto:
Lol you must be a great historian. Wait till it gets nuclear, they will confess that US is great.

Dont make laugh the minute the US uses nukes then the whole world will start looking at getting nukes. Nukes are not used like grenades.

kelvindj98:
You know we still import oil right. Unless you're American then yeah I guess it favours u.

Nigeria doesn't import oil , we sell oil we import refined product

N2B2:
Other presidents had the option to dispatch Soleimani, but they forewent it because US already had Iran in a good place.

Mr. Impeached could not seat still because new impeachment evidence against him was coming to light by the hour, so he went to do what he predicted in 2011 that Obama would do to get re-elected: declare war on Iran.

Iran is three times bigger than Iraq, and US spent more than a decade warring Iraq. Anyone who says It'll be easy to wipe out Iran must be eating a plate of half-fried akara with a can of Black Bullet.

U have to understand a lot of Nigerians are really ignorant.

Trapping:
US will pay dearly for this folly. Killing a government official OPENLY (Not in a war theatre) and admitting to it is the most foolish thing that has been done since world warII.

What Trump had effectively done by Killing Soleimani is that he has established that in this war of attrition between nations killing foreign diplomats is a fair game.

I repeat US will regret this action, and this may hurt trumps chance of reelection. Iran is no pushover!!

U are absolutely correct.Most people think Iran is Iraq?? They are Persian not Arab.they are not weak like Arabs.

mactoni91:
U.S just created more problems for themselves

At least it will favour us with the high oil price

2mercy:
https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2020/01/07/us-soldiers-in-middle-east-will-go-home-in-coffins-hezbollah-chief/

In 1954, the democratically elected government of Iran decided to do what many newly independent democracies do:

Nationalize its oil industry

At the time, Iran’s oil was controlled by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, which essentially had a monopoly on the development and sale of Iranian oil. Anglo-Iranian was primarily British owned and was a holdover from the time Great Britain controlled Iran’s territory. The Iranian government wanted to buy out Anglo-Iranian’s interests.

As such, the UK imposed a boycott on Iranian oil to put pressure on the government to give in. Unfortunately, this strengthened Iran’s communist party (backed by Moscow) which certainly would have gone a lot further than the democratic socialist party wanted to do.

As such, the UK and US supported a coup against the democratically elected government which essentially put the military in charge under the ostensible authority of the Shah. Iran went from being a democracy to a dictatorship, but Iranian oil started flowing again. British and American interests thrived as did the Shah and the Iranian military.

The people of Iran, not so much.

For roughly the next 25 years the Shah robbed the country blind while the military terrorized the populace. It was able to do so because it had the full support of the United States government which gave it weapons.

But in 1979 the tables turned. The Shah became ill and the state security apparatus couldn’t deal with a growing number of student protests. In desperation, the military sought out the one person with enough credibility and anti-Shah credentials to be acceptable to the student protesters.


The Ayatollah Rohollah Khomeni, who had been living in exile in Paris.

On his return, the Ayatollah set up a religious council that took effective executive control of the country. The student protesters were mollified by creating a “Revolutionary Guard” which essentially made them a fascist police force responsible for security at the local level.

Iran then demanded:

The return of the Shah, who was in the United States for medical treatment
Repatriation of the Shah’s foreign assets, which they claimed had been stolen from the Iranian people.
The United States, having been caught completely by surprise by this turn of events (the CIA hadn’t thought the students a threat and totally overlooked the importance of Khomeni) was at a loss at how to proceed. President Carter decided to allow the Shah to remain in the United States and tried to explain to the new Iranian government that it couldn’t seize the Shah’s private assets.

The student revolutionaries weren’t going to take this lying down and in late 1979 they attacked the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, taking most of the staff hostage (some staff members managed to escape the compound and found refuge in the home of the Canadian ambassador). The military and religious leaders stood idly by and did nothing. Carter responded by completely cutting off diplomatic relations with Iran, seizing all Iranian assets in the United States, and imposing an embargo on the country.

Enter Ronald Reagan who was up against Carter in the 1980 presidential election. Behind the scenes, Reagan’s people encouraged the Iranians to keep hold of the hostages until after the election at which point they were promised a very good deal. As such, Tehran didn’t respond to the Carter administration’s diplomatic overtures. Carter made a military attempt to free the hostages which failed when two of the aircraft involved crashed at a staging point.

20 minutes after Reagan was sworn in, Iran released the hostages. However, it appears they were screwed - the sanctions stayed in place although some of Iran’s assets were transferred as part of the negotiations. Reagan thus got to deny giving money for hostages and got the good press when the hostages were released.

SenecaTheYonger:
Over entitled babies. You kill Christians directly and through proxies everyday in the name of your religion, you sponsor terrorist groups all over the world and Obama pats you on the back and gives you billion in aid - Trump kills one of your guys and you start crying like babies. I don't blame you, it's Westerners I blame - they condone your attitude for too long.

dude educate yourself please.

GamalNasser:
Soleimani provided them with material and moral support for that attack if you don't know

you are funny those outfits are Sunni outfits sulemani is Shia. They don't relate in any way. In fact, they are huge enemies.plz rid your self of ignorance. Don't say what you don't know.

sassysure:
If u know half of what Obama administration did in Nigeria, u will vomit your guts out.

Infact Obama is a demonic person.

GamalNasser:
Shut up !!!!!!! Where were you when Soleimani was committing terror act after terror act ..are you aware he was complicit in the the killing of US ambassador Stephens in Libya that year and the attack weeks ago Saudi oil fields

Nme one terrorist act you know of?? And plz don't lie the ambassador was killed by Ansar al-Sharia which is linked to Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.Know your onions before you talk.

majamajic:
America don't pity or negotiate with terrorists !!


So this airline don't have cargo space ?


Which kin respect be this ?

A sovereign state can not be called a terrorist.Don't buy into American BS. The world has still not forgotten the WMD lies.

MylezKayn:
FTC
Why is it peppering Nancy Pelosi that Trump killed a Terrorist who was responsible for the death of Americans such as Ambassador Stephens? Sometimes these Democrats act as though they are on the side of Terrorists rather than USA

Modified:
I'm getting alot of MTs from Dems and also disoriented Nigerians. Let me set some things straight
1. Qasem Soleimani is responsible for the rise of groups like Hezbollah and Jihadi groups in Palestine
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50980093
2. Trump did not declare war on Iran but simply carried out a preemptive strike and threatened to carry out more attacks
3. Democrats are pissed off that Trump did not inform them but in reality they are actually siding with Terrorists
4. Those Nigerians that are attacking me, better tell Buhari to finish off Boko Haram before coming to yarn okoto meow

your grasp of geopolitics is shallow at best and completely ignorant at worst. The fact that the US labels a person a terorist doesn't make that person a terorist. Soleimani was a general in Iran and the head of the quad force. He simply did his duty as dictated by his countries external policies. Mind you quad force is like the CIA or MI5.also nations work on a global principle, the reckless killing of a countries official by the US sets very dangerous presidenc. If you label leutant general soleimani a terorist the it means the head of Mossad, CIA and other intelligence agencies that deal with external treats are all terorists.May I also add Trump mostly did dis to divert attention from his impeachment matters.

MasterKernel:
Your hatred didn't allow you to quote him, but rather imply your thoughts that's not his word.

the guy just got a new phone so the man called kunu is testing it

9jii:
Condemn what is wrong, don't try to bring another problem.
That's exactly how most of the people In government reason and make our problems keep compounding.

zamfara state being the poorest state thinks like a poor man. U see religion is the poor mans opium and as such zamfara instead of using the 1billion to creat business opportunities they rather spend it on religion.

[quote author= post=85374543]Nigeria never told ECOWAS that they are interested in a single currency up till this moment.
That has been going on for years now.
So won't they reply them that they will get back at them?!
Nigeria’s naira is often seen as the likely anchor currency for ECOWAS, due largely to country’s sheer economic size and political importance.
This role would be akin to the one played by the German deutsche mark in the period leading to the introduction of the euro.
Our Conclusion : The Eco will clearly not be the panacea for West Africa’s myriad problems, including high levels of unemployment, especially among the burgeoning population of youth and the increasing numbers of the poor.
The lessons from the eurozone highlight continuing challenges among a group of highly developed countries with very strong institutions.
ECOWAS will do well to heed these lessons.
Also, efforts by member states to strengthen domestic macroeconomic frameworks are important.
Concerted efforts must be made to reduce the inordinate bureaucratic delays that severely constrain exports and imports at the border.
Launching the single regional currency, the “Eco,” by December 2019 is, at best, an expensive distraction that the people of West Africa can ill afford at this particular moment.
We stand with Nigeria.
Shame on the OP that brought this rubbish here, whatever his mission was and bigger shame on the illiterates typing jargons everywhere.
Lazy tins!






It is always good and refreshing to know that we still have reasonable and intelligent people like you guys on this forum.
Compared to the illiterates and pessimistic wailers that have nothing upstairs but just take side with anything that can make the country look bad.
Ireedeemable and pathetic tins they are.
No wonder Cownu called them whatever he addresed them as![/quote]The truth is the bulk of Nigerian are ignorant at best, they don't read and they're guided by sentiments, hearsay, and emotions.

alamarmeen:
so what do u expect....
the way some people here understand issues both national and international is very pathetic to say the least.
France have already hijacked the eco of a thing. there are numerous write up(s) on it and how so.
Do u seriously think France will let go of over 500billion just like that without a fight...what France did was to preempt Nigeria's moves using their stooge in Ivory Coast.
As for Ghana their they are non starter...they are just after anything that they know Nigeria is or will be against.. they lack the weight to set the terms in W/Africa sub region.

Also they Ghana lacks a strategic dept.

orisa37:
Seriously, NIGERIA is jinxed by Buhari's FULANI HERDSMEN's TERRORISM, RUGA AND BUHARINOMICS.

If u do not understand issues just keep quiet. Nigeria cant adopt the Eco because it is not genuine.They just changed the name from CFA to ECO. The currency is still pegged to the Euro and as such its controlled by France.which means the currency can never grow to a certain level. also if we adopt it then we will become controlled by France.

sweetonugbu:
soon you will get tired of defending the actions of this clueless government.

this has nothing to do with defending the government. The man made an allegation and now he is suddenly changing mouth

N2an2a:
Shame on our Nigerian senators and judiciary for allowing US to do what they ought to have done . Kudos to the Punch Newspaper for speaking when it mattered most .

we have our souls a long time ago.our leathers are a shamefull lot

slimfit1:
Hausa people only get house arrest with his family coming to see him all the time. The rest of us get full detention and you say one Nigeria.

and you can prove this??

IAmStrange:
You see, that's part of what we are talking about.. . he's probably right... We have many Arabic schools around that beat children in manner that causes pain and things of sort... I've seen some people spite Islam and Muslims because of that...

But does Islam truly support that.. let the scholars do the talking (From islamqa.info):

With regard to smacking a child for not praying,
it is stipulated that the smacking should be light
and should not be painful and should not break
the skin, or break a tooth or bone. It should be
on the back or the hand and the like, and the
face is to be avoided because it is forbidden to
strike it, because the Prophet (blessings and
peace of Allaah be upon him) forbade that.

It should not be more than ten blows, and it
should be done for the purpose of discipline
and teaching. So he (the parent etc) should not
show his desire to punish, except when there is
a need to show that, such as if the child is
turning away from prayer and forsaking it, and
the like.

It was narrated from Abu Bardah al-Ansari that
he heard the Messenger of Allaah (blessings
and peace of Allaah be upon him) say: No one
should be given more than ten lashes except in
the case of one of the hadd punishments of
Allaah.” narrated by Al Bukhaari (6456) and
Muslim (3222).

You see. The smacking should be light and should never cause pain. The purpose of the beating is not to cause pain rather it is only to pass a message of discipline and that's after other measures has been taken and the child is not yielding.

That reflects in the words of more scholars...

The command implies that it is obligatory, but it
is limited only to cases where smacking will be
beneficial, because sometimes you smack a
child but he does not benefit from being
smacked, it only makes him scream and cry
more and does not serve any benefit. Moreover
what is meant by smacking here is smacking
that is not painful, a light smack that serves the
purpose and does not cause any harm. End
quote.
Liqa’ al-Baab il-Maftooh, 95/18

It's only in cases where it is beneficial and it must not cause harm.. must be light.

The Kuffar see the word (lightly) in all those verses that talks about smacking but due to their malicious intentions, they pretend as if they don't see it and they paint the smacking like it's some kind of a wrestling match

How hypocritical and insincere are the hearts of the Kuffar who do that!

This is another proof that many Muslims who identify with Islam do things that Islam forbids but they make people of ignorance attribute those things to Islam.

don't worry, When Imes comes, the world will know what a true Islamic figure is.. D and what true Islam is.

Imes, we await your coming

I wish people especially Muslims will read the Qur'an well and understand it.I have come to the conclusion that lots of Muslims are just like lots of Christians,they don't understand and don't really read the holly books and also don't care to understand it

ijustdey:
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/12/24/ndume-why-buhari-cant-appoint-new-service-chiefs/

Does Buhari not tire of all this excuses? Is it wise to reinforce failure??

ijustdey:
https://www.independent.ng/ganduje-sanusi-reconciliation-in-jeopardy-as-governor-jets-out-to-saudi-arabia/

Saudi Arabia is a kingdom not a republic

[quote author=eduman365 post=85157110]Should we be giving out what we don't have enough in the first place?

It might interest you to know that Nigeria has been the one shouldering the burden of the entire West Africa when we should be focusing on ourselves. Even Ghana's electricity is powered by Nigeria's gas. If something happens to the West African Gas pipeline powered by Nigeria, light drops significantly in Ghana.

The earlier we started redirecting our resources inwards the better for us. When we get it right, then we can start exporting energy again.[/quote t] they say charity begins at home not for us o.we always to our things without thinking.

gaventa:
Inferiority complex and you limit your own definition to what the white man says only. Who is being inferior now Sir? Bros with the state of unbalance in this nation bros Nigeria is a Failed state, we don’t have to wait until we have wars or riots or chaos everywhere.

As I said earlier Nigeria is a state with issues,governmental issues,poverty issues ,security issues but to say it is a failed state is a far cry.you say we don't have to wait till war but war is one of the causes and indices of a failed state.internal war not external.