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Food / Re: How I Eat With My Tomato Stew Before Vs How I Eat Now(pic) by Abobaku: 11:00pm On May 24, 2016 |
Slimy ewedu eating retard STFU southpole: |
Family / Re: 5 Things Only Those Born With A Wooden Spoon Understand! by Abobaku: 10:22pm On May 24, 2016 |
Post of the year!!!! You just summarized my childhood as a kpako.Miss those years Mehn. 1 Like |
Phones / Re: Upload Your Home Screen Lets See Who Got Nice Customization by Abobaku: 6:51am On May 23, 2016 |
FredBloggs:may the sticks continue to guide you 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Photo Of Nigerian Soldiers Training In Europe by Abobaku: 10:14am On Apr 19, 2016 |
You spoke my mind!!!! jerusalem101: |
Celebrities / Re: Transgender Have Her Ears And Nose REMOVED To Transform Into DRAGON by Abobaku: 8:47pm On Apr 06, 2016 |
Tell him that dragons don't have beards. awon wayyy rayyyy Gistupdated: |
Religion / Re: Incredible! Girl Turns To Python During Bro Iginla’s Crusade In Cameroon by Abobaku: 12:29am On Mar 31, 2016 |
Too many magicians in the house of God.... jadesola2016: |
Politics / Re: Wike On The Run As Amaechi Releases Shocking Statement by Abobaku: 12:15am On Mar 31, 2016 |
How much did they pay you? cos u are not doing a good job. Zombies! !!!!! lanregbade:You will wail till 2064 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: PDP Senators Visit Wike,Donate N1million To The Family Of Killed Corper(pics) by Abobaku: 4:25pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Shaatap you programmed robot... NgeneUkwenu: 1 Like |
Politics / Re: APC Cannot Win Any Election In Rivers State - Wike ( Photos ) by Abobaku: 7:00pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Drabeey:Shaaaaataaap |
Religion / Re: PHOTOS: Man 'turns To Dog' During Deliverance Session At TB Joshua's Church by Abobaku: 2:41am On Mar 28, 2016 |
uScam |
Politics / Re: Omojuwa Called Jonathan A Disaster, And Got This Reply by Abobaku: 11:26pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Akshow:Shatap Charity begins at home |
Politics / Re: Airforce Junction In Port Harcourt Flooded (Photos) by Abobaku: 9:28pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
Amechi was blind to it |
Celebrities / Re: Am Prettier That "MUNACHI ABII" by Abobaku: 9:54pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
Local Rapper |
Crime / Re: Banker Arrested Over Dead Man ’s N23m Account Fraud (photo) by Abobaku: 9:20pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
dre11:who says "dead men don't talk" |
Politics / Re: 'we'll Fix Power Supply Problems In 3 Years,' - Buhari by Abobaku: 8:14am On Mar 22, 2016 |
Godmother:shatap dai 4 Likes 1 Share |
Celebrities / Re: Psquare Wives, Tania Omotayo Mock Unfaithful Men by Abobaku: 11:02am On Mar 19, 2016 |
Realhommie:shatap |
Crime / Re: Photos Of The Beheaded Abia State University Students by Abobaku: 3:30pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Siberia101:Nah Marphites, got the whole intel |
Politics / Re: 8-Year-Old Children Among Bauchi "Teachers" On Payroll Of Govt. - Committee by Abobaku: 3:16pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
100Cents:thank you bros, you took the response out of my mouth. |
Politics / Re: The Horrible State Of Obohia Road In Aba by Abobaku: 1:58pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
loopman:**** at its peak. Even your Lagos is not better. **** |
Politics / Re: The Horrible State Of Obohia Road In Aba by Abobaku: 1:56pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
The first time I visited Aba, I was so unfortunate to stay with a friend who reside on this road and it was not a pleasant experience plying this road. Apart from the fact that the road does not have good drainage system, I noticed that residents have the habit of dumping refuse along the road hence causing blockage to the already bad drainage. I employ the government of Abia state to look into this matter ASAP. This road would be used as a yard stick in measuring his achievements at the end of the day. 15 Likes 2 Shares |
Romance / Re: Please Help, My 4 Years Relationship Seems To Be Crashing Down by Abobaku: 1:14am On Mar 04, 2016 |
You are mad!! Lawz20: |
Romance / Re: A Or B Which Of These Girls Do U Prefer by Abobaku: 7:47pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
sarzwizard:Dark girls rock. No offence to the fair and bleached ones[sup][/sup] |
Education / Re: Is It OK For A Female Teacher To Dress Like This To Class? (see Photo) by Abobaku: 7:44pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
zoneros:this one small nah, you need to see my Biology teacher back in the days. I no dey gree miss her class. My junior was always on rampage |
Religion / Re: "We Killed Michael Jackson" - Nigerian Girl 'Confesses' In Church (VIDEO) by Abobaku: 9:00pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
Nonsense waste of mb. Religion= evil. EOD timidapsin: |
Religion / Re: Is Purgatory In The Bible? by Abobaku: 10:09am On Feb 21, 2016 |
[Purgatory was not mentioned in the BIBLE. EOD]The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified" (CCC 1030). It notes that "this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned" (CCC 1031). The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven. Two Judgments When we die, we undergo what is called the particular, or individual, judgment. Scripture says that "it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment" (Heb. 9:27). We are judged instantly and receive our reward, for good or ill. We know at once what our final destiny will be. At the end of time, when Jesus returns, there will come the general judgment to which the Bible refers, for example, in Matthew 25:31-32: "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." In this general judgment all our sins will be publicly revealed (Luke 12:2–5). (Luke 12:2–5). Augustine said, in The City of God, that "temporary punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by others after death, by others both now and then; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment" (21:13). It is between the particular and general judgments, then, that the soul is purified of the remaining consequences of sin: "I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper" (Luke 12:59). Monica, mother of Augustine, who asked her son, in the fourth century, to remember her soul in his Masses. This would make no sense if she thought her soul would not benefit from prayers, as would be the case if she were in hell or in the full glory of heaven. Nor does ascribing the doctrine to Gregory explain the graffiti in the catacombs, where Christians during the persecutions of the first three centuries recorded prayers for the dead. Indeed, some of the earliest Christian writings outside the New Testament, like the Acts of Paul and Thecla and the Martyrdom of Perpetua and Felicity (both written during the second century), refer to the Christian practice of praying for the dead. Such prayers would have been offered only if Christians believed in purgatory, even if they did not use that name for it. (See Catholic Answers’ Fathers Know Best tract The Existence of Purgatory for quotations from these and other early Christian sources.) Why No Protests?Whenever a date is set for the "invention" of purgatory, you can point to historical evidence to show the doctrine was in existence before that date. Besides, if at some point the doctrine was pulled out of a clerical hat, why does ecclesiastical history record no protest against it? A study of the history of doctrines indicates that Christians in the first centuries were up in arms (sometimes quite literally) if anyone suggested the least change in beliefs. They were extremely conservative people who tested a doctrine’s truth by asking, Was this believed by our ancestors? Was it handed on from the apostles? Surely belief in purgatory would be considered a great change, if it had not been believed from the first—so where are the records of protests? They don’t exist. There is no hint at all, in the oldest writings available to us (or in later ones, for that matter), that "true believers" in the immediate post-apostolic years spoke of purgatory as a novel doctrine. They must have understood that the oral teaching of the oral teaching of the apostles, what Catholics call tradition, and the Bible not only failed to contradict the doctrine, but, in fact, confirmed it. It is no wonder, then, that those who deny the existence of purgatory tend to touch upon only briefly the history of the belief. They prefer to claim that the Bible speaks only of heaven and hell. Wrong. It speaks plainly of a third condition, commonly called the limbo of the Fathers, where the just who had died before the redemption were waiting for heaven to bethe redemption were waiting for heaven to be opened to them. After his death and before his resurrection, Christ visited those experiencing the limbo of the Fathers and preached to them the good news that heaven would now be opened to them (1 Pet. 3:19). These people thus were not in heaven, but neither were they experiencing the torments of hell. Some have speculated that the limbo of the Fathers is the same as purgatory. This may or may not be the case. However, even if the limbo of the Fathers is not purgatory, its existence shows that a temporary, intermediate state is not contrary to Scripture. Look at it this way. If the limbo of the Fathers was purgatory, then this one verse directly teaches the existence of purgatory. If the limbo of the Fathers was a different temporary state, then the Bible at least says such a state can exist. It proves there can be more than just heaven and hell. "Purgatory Not in Scripture" Some Fundamentalists also charge, as though it actually proved something, "The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture." This is true, and yet it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching. The words Trinity and Incarnation aren’t in Scripture either, yet those doctrines are clearly taught in it. Likewise, Scripture teaches that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory. Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire" there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage. Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine. Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always been believed by Jews and Christians. Why Go To Purgatory?Why would anyone go to purgatory? To be cleansed, for "nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21:27). Anyone who has not been completely freed of sin and its effects is, to some extent, "unclean." Through repentance he may have gained the grace needed to be worthy of heaven, which is to say, he has been forgiven and his soul is spiritually alive. But that’s not sufficient for gaining entrance into heaven. He needs to be cleansed completely. Fundamentalists claim, as an article in Jimmy Swaggart’s magazine, The Evangelist, put it, that "Scripture clearly reveals that all the demands of divine justice on the sinner have been completely fulfilled in Jesus Christ. It also reveals that Christ has totally redeemed, or purchased back, that which was lost. The advocates of a purgatory (and the necessity of prayer for the dead) say, in effect, that the redemption of Christ was incomplete. . . . It has all been done for us by Jesus Christ, there is nothing to be added or done by man." It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our salvation for us on the cross. But that does not settle the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy. Sanctification involves suffering (Rom. 5:3–5), and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before we enter heaven. Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us the purifying redemption that he accomplished for us by his death on the cross. No Contradiction The Fundamentalist resistance to the biblical doctrine of purgatory presumes there is a contradiction between Christ’s redeeming us on the cross and the process by which we are sanctified. There isn’t. And a Fundamentalist cannot say that suffering in the final stage of sanctification conflicts with the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement without saying that suffering in the early stages of sanctification suffering in the early stages of sanctification also presents a similar conflict. The Fundamentalist has it backward: Our suffering in sanctification does not take away from the cross. Rather, the cross produces our sanctification, which results in our suffering, because "[f]or the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness" (Heb. 12:11). Nothing Unclean Purgatory makes sense because there is a requirement that a soul not just be declared tobe clean, but actually be clean, before a man may enter into eternal life. After all, if a guilty soul is merely "covered," if its sinful state still exists but is officially ignored, then it is still a guilty soul. It is still unclean. Catholic theology takes seriously the notion that "nothing unclean shall enter heaven." From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if "covered," remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or "purged" of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which declares that God chose us "to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit." Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive "for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. http://www.catholic.com/tracts/purgatory [/quote] |
Celebrities / Re: Davido Shows Off Some Of His Cars by Abobaku: 10:21am On Dec 22, 2015 |
Dangote and Adenuga are not celebrities!!! softappless: |
Celebrities / Re: Photos Of Yemi Alade And Mavin Di'ja by Abobaku: 12:11pm On Dec 15, 2015 |
Yemi sha knows how to dress!! tubleezy: |
Family / Re: Childhood Days; Were You Bathed Like This? (photo) by Abobaku: 2:15pm On Dec 10, 2015 |
Maybe you no suck your mama breast. kekakuz: |
Religion / Re: Caption This Picture Of Kumuyi Preaching To Aregbesola by Abobaku: 10:53am On Dec 02, 2015 |
The smile on his face say's it all, But wait ooo!!!! upon all the money this guy dey chop, e no even fresh at all.. Bossforeva: |
Crime / Re: Police Kill Armed Robber And Arrest Another During Operation In Lagos (Photos) by Abobaku: 10:17am On Dec 02, 2015 |
The guy na Chelsea fan... dainformant: |
Politics / Re: Thousands Protest In Aba For Pro-biafra Detainee, Independence - Dailymail UK by Abobaku: 11:55am On Nov 19, 2015 |
Thunder rape you Ewu!!! bulldoza: |
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