Moorish:

All maps of Benin kingdom do not indicate ekiti or ondo as part of Benin kingdom at any point in time

At its greatest extent under Oba Ewuare it definitely contained parts of Ekiti and Ondo and I know for a fact that Akure was paying tribute to the Benin

Moorish:

All maps of Benin kingdom do not indicate ekiti or ondo as part of Benin kingdom at any point in time

It's alleged that under Oba Ewuare over 401 towns mostly in Ekiti, Ondo and Igbo land were conquered and there are many stories about the Benin army defeating the Deji Of Akure in battle and taking over that kingdom the places where they didn't get past were the high hills in Ekiti and the Owo kingdom those areas in Ekiti and Ondo remained independent of the Benin empire throughout history

KingOKON:
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I thought you were an IPOB but now I know you aren't even a Nigerian all this while
Come, which country are you from Congo or Jamaica?

I'm a Nigerian from Ijebu Ode ( Maternal ) and Aboh Kingdom ( Paternal )

You're the one who doesn't seem Nigerian seeing as you don't know that Kalabaris exist in Nigeria and that they're the main inhabitants of Calabar and it's surrounding areas where did you think the name came from?

KingOKON:


So all this circle you are running around makes meaning to you?
Who are calabaris at calabar?
Which Igbos were at Brass selling slaves during slave trade and under which leader?

Igbos at Bonny and Ijaws at Brass or even both groups in both locations at the same time and the Calabaris or Kalabaris are the indigenes of Calabar and its environs

Moorish:

I’m not too educated on eastern yoruba land pre colonial history but I do know that both ekiti and ondo showed strong Benin influences

I also know that the deji of akure was a tributary to the oba of Benin at some point but I do not know if that came as a result of respect/reverence or because they were subdued militarily by Benin

But there is also some history of wars between ekiti/ondo and Benin. Ogedengbe took an army to Benin kingdom and fought them but was captured or so

So, it seems ekiti/ondo were kinda semi-independent of Benin

I ask you, if they were conquered why aren’t those regions under Benin empire pre colonial maps ?

They were subdued up until the late 1700s which is where most changes in Yoruba land occured as guns became more available and the Oyo empire collapsed more groups were able to gain independence and that's when Ogedengbe came up around that time

KingOKON:
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Why are u guys shameless?
First Ohafia then Aros, yet they never ever controlled any port then how did this warriors get accros the RIvers and territories controlled by either the Ijaws and Benins to fight for the Igalas?
I can very well see that it is Books from Igbos library u specialize on but just calling JSTOR so as to feel belonged, anyway from terrible knowledge of history you have gathered all courtesy IPOB

What is Calabaris at calabar?
What is Igbos at Brass, what year and under what leader/ chief did this nonsense happen?

I ask questions because it is clear you guys are only being indoctrinated with IPOB lies over histories and facts that are well documented

Ports are at the Atlantic Ocean and not the River Niger you asked for a clan and I told you clan that the warriors were from was the Ohafia and they were under the Aro kingdom

Moorish:

Those are semantics. You say they were in Alliance. Did they pay tax or not ?

From my recollection, Oyo collected taxes from all yoruba kingdoms including the whole of Dahomey (present Benin republic) except ekiti and ondo because I believe they were buffer zones for the Benin kingdom and Benin supported them against oyo aggression in order to keep that buffer.

Remember ogedengbe? The ekiti/ondo warrior? He was supported by Benin kingdom agains oyo but also tried to sack Benin kingdom himself at some point

They weren't a buffer they were conquered by Benin and all attempts by Oyo to conquer it were failed

Olu317:
Oyo never ruled western Yoruba enclave as well,apart from other sub kingdoms

Even the Northern Yoruba such as Ikoyi,Ketu, Popo, Iresa, Ogbomosho,Ancient Ogbon were ally to Oyo Empire and were not subjected to Oyo dictates

An Empire subject kingdoms she controls through tthorough the dictates of that kingdom. Anyway ,Oyo empire actually did well at a point in time in history.

Yes they were all of them were under the Oyo empire

Olu317:
That is a false statement from the person who stated Oyo had grip on all Yoruba land.

I said most excluding Lagos, Ijebu land and I forgot to also mention those conquered by other kingdoms but for the most part Oyo ruled over all Yorubas in Benin, Oyo, Osun, Western Ekiti, Western Ogun State, Western Ondo and Western Lagos which made up the majority of Yoruba land

KingOKON:
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See crab, so it is free account you use come lemme give u access to Library of prestigious universities and especially the ones that colonized Nigeria

Lemme ask you one simple question, which port did the Aros ever controlled?

Jstor literally has books from these presitgious universities and many other renowned scholars if you don't use a free account you either have to pay or login through a school account and most of the school accounts if you search through them are for top universities like Cambridge and Oxford so the fact that these schools provide a code to use to access Jstor should tell you how reliable and helpful it can be.

They didn't ever control a port they kidnapped and conquered people inland and sold them to the Calabaris at Calabar or the Ijaws and Igbos at Bonny and Brass respectively to sell them off to the Europeans

KingOKON:
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See how you TWIST your tongue like Igbos rats

When did Aros start exchanging goods with the North?
Who between the Aros Benins and Ijaws must have had dealings with the Igalas?

It's clear that you've never heard of the trans saharan trade route and even internal trade routes in Nigeria go and read about them then come back to me

There was a market along the River Niger at Aboh and another one upstream at Idah and both of these hosted Igala, Igbo, Benin and Ijaw traders the Ijaws primarily bought yams from these markets and sold salt to the other groups and the Igala mainly sold leather products from the north and other agricultural goods at Idah if you don't know about trade just say so and I will say it now

Go onto Jstor and register for a free account under an independent researcher then search Aboh kingdom, Aboh and Idah, Aboh and Igala, Igbo and Igala then search about the Abam Warriors afterwards and you'll see and read everything that i've read no reason to continue this argument unless you've read what i've read

Moorish:

Candomble actually has strong Yoruba influences

Check this out “ In addition to the influence on slavery, and later Afro-American cuisine and language, the importation of Yoruba culture was most heavily evidenced in such manifestations of Yoruba religion as Santería, Candomblé Ketu, and other traditional spiritualities.”

Also this is the first thing that comes up when you search “candomble” on Google >>>

Candomblé is a religion based on African beliefs which is particularly popular in Brazil. It is also practised in other countries, and has as many as two million followers. The religion is a mixture of traditional Yoruba, Fon and Bantu beliefs which originated from different regions in Africa.15 Sep 2009..

So you cannot ignore the Yoruba influence on candomble

On your assertions on later enslavement of Yoruba peoples compared to other tribes, I have heard it before but I cannot find any evidence for that.. I remember seeing it online some years back tho so you could be right

Can you point me to any evidence to that claim ? From what I know all of our west African tribes were enslaved around the same times

On your other assertions, Obeah is pretty much non existent now in Jamaica tho

Benin-Haiti share vodun in common I agree that this is evidence of the survival of dahomean culture in the new world. I will give you this

However no diasporan group is more strongly affiliated with their original homeland like the Yoruba diaspora

Even in the USA were igbos were the most enslaved group, you have “Oyotunji”, a Yoruba village in America to this day. Can you show me any such cultural center or village created by Igbo descendants in America ?

Cheers

The collapse of the Oyo empire is what began the mass trade of Yorubas in the 1800s I can't necessarily provide a definite source but before then the Oyo empire held a stronghold on ALL Yoruba land apart from eastern Lagos and Ijebu land and they were able to prevent any of their citizens from being sold into slavery it wasn't until the empires eventual collapse that a lot of Yorubas began being traded in the slave trade because for the most part when you read about the slave trade pre 1800s and you hear about the types of groups sold you'd realize mostare either Akan, Bantu ( Congo and Angola ), Senegambia or Igbos the Yoruba aren't mentioned often until after thelate 1700s and early 1800s when the Oyo empire collapsed and they began selling millions of Yoruba to the plantations in Brazil predominantly

KingOKON:
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Wonderful!
* So how did this Ohafia warriors moved over the Aros controlled IBO territories to go join the Igalas to do this rumors battles.
Lands, rivers or how
* Remember Slave trade was seriously going on

The Ohafia Warriors were the warriors of the Aro which is why they were able to conquer so much land so quickly and the Aro and Igala had very good connections so in times of war the Aro was able to give the Igala warriors in exchange for products like leather from the north

KingOKON:
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I don't deal in rumors and this Igbo imaginary Igbo warriors were of which stock and under what chief, king or leader

The Abam Warriors of the Ohafia region they were the most feared warriors in all of Igbo land and were often hired by Igala kings who had close links to the Igbos

Moorish:

That is an interesting perspective

I have heard of those things you mentioned

However the only slave descendants to claim and hold on to their tribal affinities are the yoruba slave descendants. Yoruba is still spoken in Brazil, and Cuba

The Haitians do not claim a fon identity nor speak the language or come back to Benin republic to connect with their distant relatives.

The Jamaicans have never come back to igboland to connect with their Igbo ancestry nor do they learn Igbo language

Thanks for your perspective tho

They all have come back to their respective countries that's false and as I said before the Yoruba arrived later so they were able to retain their language fully.

The Haitians who are Fon had their language turned into Haitian Creole and if you listen to it the Fon connection is very strong within the language and a lot of Haitians have gone back to Benin and reconnected with the land

Candomble is still represented not only in religion but also as a martial arts and dancing form but the Yoruba didn't retain any form of martial arts so you could say in that sense that the Congolese and Angolans are stronger by your logic at least

Then with the Igbos in Jamaica and Obeah yes i'll admit that the link isn't very strong but it must be remembered that they were some of the first few slaves to arrive there so for the religion to have even survived after 200 years compared to the Yoruba's 100 years is quite impressive and you have to acknowledge that the Igbos revolted the most so they were technically the strongest and not the Yoruba most slave revolts were coordinated by Igbos especially in Jamaica, Barbados and America

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samuk:


Her life depends on oba of Benin being yoruba. How can any sane person look at the names of past Obas of Benin and still claim they were Yoruba who spoke Yoruba language at the Benin Palace till 1937.

So they were speaking Yoruba at the Benin Palace but forbid � Yoruba names. Meanwhile oba of Benin supposed siblings, the Alaafin of Oyo, all had Yoruba names, other supposed relatives such as the Ooni also had Yoruba names.

Those that created the Benin/Ife fairytale never thought it would be scrutinised in the future, if they had knew, they would have probably changed the first few names of obas of Benin to Yoruba or Yoruba sounding names.

Take a look at the monarchs from Olu of warri(Ogiamen) to Obi of Onitsha(Agboghidi) that have Benin connections, you can see Benin influenced names in either their traditional titles or chieftaincy titles.

Who ever said that they only spoke Yoruba? They spoke both Yoruba and Bini in order to facilitate trade with other Yoruba groups and it doesn't make sense to claim that the Bini of 10 million are the progenitors of the Yoruba of 40 million it can't work out the story of the Ogiso's being deposed by Oranmiyan and him sorting out Bini then leaving later on in his life just makes more sense then whatever story you have

Nice to see more protests in Nigeria erupting in Abuja and Lagos although it was meant to be a memorial let's turn it into a proper protest those of us in Nigeria on this forum increase the heat on the government

Crossroad1:
who ever believed buhari will turn out this way?
He was vibrant in protest that u will agree with him to turn Nigeria to Dubai... So what do we have today?
I stopped listening to roadmap and manifesto speeches.

Buhari made promises but did he ever enter a debate or a Q&A and allowed people ask him how he would solve problems or how we will ensure A or B etc. No elected leader has ever done that they simply make promises like I will build 8000km of roads in 2 years, there will be constant power supply after 3 years etc. But they never actually describe how they'd reach there but Moghalu has

Crossroad1:
everyone always have plans and roadmap, seyi makinde, yahoo Bello, all of them always have plans but what was the outcome?

When have they allowed 1000 Nigerians from all walks of life ask them questions for 4 hours straight and when have they provided good answers to every single on of those questions? If you were there on Twitter you'd understand what I mean

Falz wouldn't make a good president we should focus on supporting Moghalu for presidency if anyone was there on Twitter Space last night to hear his plans and his roadmap for Nigeria and how well he answered all the questions you'd have no doubt in his leadership

Nze Akachukwu Nwankpo the gubernational candidate of the African Democratic Congess (ADC) has come out to reveal his plans for Anambra State with this first priority being the introduction of the 'Umunna' system into governance for accountability and proper development in all communities in Anambra and his manifesto for Anambra has shaken up the political space with both APGA and APC becoming aware of the growing power and influence of the ADC in Anambra with some factions of APGA even going as far as bginning talks to merge with ADC because they Nwankpo as the best option for governance in Anambra. And in the video below Nwankpo has made a video detailing how the Umunna system would run in Anambra for all the people and voters



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY5PJo6EUEw


So let all Ndi Anambra vote for Nze Akachukwu Nwankpo for governor of Anambra State come November 6 he has a plan a vision and a mission to deliver to the people of Anambra and make it the Ijele Of Africa

Vote ADC

KingOKON:
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Which wars?

Igala-Benin wars
Igala-Jukun wars
Igala-Nupe wars

But it's not definite just rumours that i've heard

Moorish:
All or most west African tribes were taken to the new world as slaves, but The yoruba culture is the only one that was retained by the slaves and is still very strong today in Brazil

I just pondered on this today not to belittle other tribes after all I’m married to an Igbo lady and they are a great race as well but there is just something about yoruba culture that defies any attempts to suppress it. It is innate, it is spiritual.

I salute all yoruba sons and daughters worldwide

Not only the Yoruba
The Fon survived in Haiti through Voodoo which is Vodun
The Igbo survived in Jamaica through Obeah
The Congolese survived in Brazil through Candomble

All African peoples survived and passed their culture down not only the Yoruba it is just they had the largest numbers as they were the last group to come in large numbers so less died and less were rooted out by Christianity and indoctrination that other groups suffered

okigbojihad:


your brain size is proportional to your midget body reasing u just spill this trash.

Nri is strongly rooted in Igbo culture and they have absolutely nothing in common with Igala.

believe this hogwash epistle at ur own peril.

There's evidence to show that Nri is closely connected to Igala whether the culture originated there isn't definite but there is a definite close link in trade and military as the Igala often hired Igbo warriors to fight in their wars

Now put the level of unemployment, food inflation, rate of the naira, safety in Nigeria, terrorist attacks per year and poverty rates then compare from 1999-2015 to now and see how he's destroyed the whole country

rvp2018:
Typically Nigerian with worse education...Congo is huge..eastern congo is Bantus..

Have you seen the city of Goma? How dark those living there are as well? Congolese aren't light and neither are Igbos they come in all shapes, tones and sizes

mtisTheQubit:


True...

Is ths a Yoruba family ?

Yeah it is you can tell by the Gele head wrap on the woman and the Agbada that the man is wearing those are traditional yoruba clothes

mtisTheQubit:


No bro..congolese are dark..dudes even breach...

Bythe way majority of igbos are not that light..

igbo family

Thank you

And you can barely even tell the difference between a Yoruba and Igbo family on physical and facial features

Kobojunkiee:
How do you reckon the statement in bold?

Well maybe not every single religion that's false but every known and popular religion prays to some sort of object made of some sort of material like wood or gold whether it be christianity, islam, judaism, isese, odinani, buddhism, hinduism etc. They all pray to an object of sorts which is supposed to represent a deity in their religion and belief

Kobojunkiee:
I didn't come here concerned about what "Christians" say in their ignorance and hatred. As I stated, an idol is a representation of a deity, and worship of such representations is what idol worship or idolatry also means?

In the case of Judaism, idol worship, as defined in the Old Law, implies a worship of any other deity, or image, besides Jehovah!

And as for your statement do you mean "gods of wood" or "gods made of wood"?

If we're going off of the dictionary definition then every single religion is idolatry or idol worship based you can't do the same thing as other religions but still turn around and call the idol worshippers

Instead of solving the security problems in Lagos and providing proper housing and fixing the sewage problem he's here wasting time with a silly drawing, he can have fun once he's done the job he was elected to complete