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You can find the videos on this Muslimgurl channel


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UffB3_-Gogg

I used to have all the videos but I had to delete them because they took so much space so I only have audio now

I was using them to improve my Arabic back then. It starts from 01- Adab az ziyarah to 28- Huquq Al wãlidayn

There are so many Islamic cartoons @snapscore but most of them are in Arabic. I have some audio ones as well but you need someone to translate for them.

AbdelKabir:
Saarah Al-Kasraan read to her husband Hammad ibn `Ateeq the entirety of Soorat Al-Baqarah from her memory on the first night of their marriage. (Taken from "`Ulamaa Najdi" by Al-Bassaam)....

I pray Abuhammaad son(Hammad) be lucky as Hammad ibn 'Ateeq

Aaamiiin Baarakallahu feekum

This is exactly what I was avoiding

Wow!!!!

Inna lillaahi wa ina ilayhi ra'jiun

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1638085796207668&id=100000187915533

AideeSheks:
Emm

E dakun. How does someone type in Arabic on his phone?

Download Arabic keyboard from the playstore

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Way tooo long

snapscore:
I read the post on the website, but I think I will like to read more about why some scholars say it's shirk. Islamqa says its a major sin.

I didn't see any of the scholars regard prostration as a way of veneration as Shirk tho. Not even one

So yes, they all agree bowing to worship someone is Shirk while bowing to someone as a way of veneration is strongly impermissible

That post took so much space and it's hard to read so I'll clear some parts of it soon

................ Too long

I'll post all the scholarly opinions on that link here so it's easier to read.

snapscore:
When I mentioned bowing, I mentioned it for veneration.

@bolded is what I mean when I say I want to run away from the culture.

Ookay..Let's just keep doing our research

Lol me I didn't run away ooh. Na book carry me comot lol. I never knew you were Yoruba. E kaasan o

snapscore:
^^
Jazakallahu khyran

Wa iyyãki

snapscore:
I guess I can also drop my thoughts on this. Regarding bowing, I lean towards the idea that it is shirk because it is similar to ruku. Therefore, it is giving the creation one of Allah's right.

Reagarding kneeling down and prostrating, I honestly didn't know about it until a friend told me a few years back. Even when she did, I didn't really understand- she mentioned something about knees not bending or touching the floor for other than Allah. Whether it is shirk or not, I don't know but I just aviod it because it is safer. If you think about it, standing up to greet a person is not permissible, how about lying on the floor?

Its hard considering the Yoruba culture. I remember when I was in Lagos and I didn't kneel down to greet an old woman. She had no problem withbit tbh but it was another man that saw how I greeted her that scolded me, saying thay this isnt how we greet an elderly and things.
Honestly, this like this makes me want to run away from the culture and avoid it as much as possible. This isn't about just greeting but other things as well - for example, traditional marriage, burial and other things.

Na'am! but you know bowing could also be done for veneration not necessarily worship. Are we going to say it's Shirk if the intent is to greet the person?

I myself grew up in a deeply cultural environment. I was trained by elders and growing up, I had to do these things. I was ignorant then but as I grew older and started learning, I stopped doing it. It was really hard to convince those around me why I stopped. It took so much wisdom. Alhamdulillah, they now understand why and they don't stress me much these days. Moreover, I'm physically far away from them at the moment so it's not even discussed anymore lol

olasaad:
What of bending because I use to do that but my roommates during my services year still condemned it.

I find it difficult to greet an elderly ppl like that and yet some people still condemned it telling me I must not bend at all.

I just believe this is not a shrik as is our own way of life.

Well..The general consensus like we said earlier is that it's explicitly discouraged. Whether it's shirk or not is a non-issue we are just trying to flesh out.

Since it's strongly discouraged, we won't even bother to do it

Abdelkabir. There are so many gems here

https://islamqa.info/en/229780

But what I was able to deduce from it is that if the intent is to bow to someone say for worship a la the soofiyyah do to Abdul Qaadir Al jilaanee and Rabi'ah Al-Adawiyyah, then it's Shirk. If it's for respect, then it's not Shirk but a major sin.

That said, I won't conclusively rely on that. I still need to search for more opinions

Allãhu A'lam

All these people that are always so high on their own opinions when it comes to religious issues need to quit it. They really need to quit it. Wallaahi your opinion doesn't count. If you really think your opinion counts, maybe you should start your own religion because this one we are upon is completed already. Everything has its rulings and there is nothing else to add.

Last week, I saw some of the comments of our resident pseudo-feminists on a particular thread. Everything was I, I, I

Who are you? What do you know? What authentic books have you read?

AbdelKabir:
Toor.... I have a low battery now, when I charge I will present the two arguments of the scholars(of salafiyyah oo, not people of bidah), the ones that say its shirk and those that say its not....you'll see why I said it's falls between being shirk and not....

I saw something somewhere about bowing being Shirk but somehow, I've been unable to pinpoint where exactly I saw it or
whether I'm just mixing things up. That was why I took that comment back

I don't want to post anything that isn't verified

Please clear the post AbdelKabir

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AbdelKabir:
Yes...both aren't permissible.... I was of the opinion that its shirk and hated reading the opinion(i.e their evidence) of the scholars that say its not shirk that its just impermissible...

But interestingly I decided to read their evidences, now I think i might need to change my views, and be of the opinion that its not clearly shirk and it not clearly non-shirk...

Explicitly discouraged should be the best way to put it

AbdelKabir:
Shaykh ibn uthaymeen later had the same opinion with shaykh Al-Albaani....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFaOCxxH8co

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And then I found this to be helpful too

https://islamqa.info/en/223781

AbdelKabir:
Yea.....but I believe with planning it will work out, insha Allaah...

BTW, what do you take kneeling down or prostrating for veneration as? Shirk or not?

Olorun a se nirorun

As for prostration and kneeling, a scholar told me years ago with evidence that both aren't permissible.

Now! Whether it's Shirk or not is what I do not know.

AbdelKabir:
Well I've tried telling him before I decided to stop praying behind him, his response was averse, which I wouldn't want to say in a forum like this...

I've been thinking for sometime if we could construct a small masjid beside my father's house....maybe we will just build blocks round the place we want to use for a start...

Toh! Olohun mo

The emboldened sounds like a good option too but eerm money e no easy to find

AbdelKabir:
Yinmu.....

Wallaahi. My knowledge of Arabic is very elementary.

Registering my presence. This thread is really key for me.

AbdelKabir:
Let's be sharing the thoughts together......lol


So I along with some brothers were stopped from praying at the mosque I used to pray because it was claimed that "we are gathering ourselves and we don't pray behind the imam"....this happened three days ago....

Actually I got to know that the imam of the mosque, also his naaibu are people that " browse" with sand, they work as fortune tellers..... So because of that I stopped praying behind him.... I was even managing him before sef because of all the bidah he has, from group dhikr to Sunday as-salatu, from mawlood to bidatic nikkah ati beebee lo....

So I told some brothers about the condition of the imam and they too stopped praying behind him, so we pray(not in congregation) after they've finished praying, perhaps they've discovered and that was how we were told not to pray there again....

Lol..Na to find another mosque nah but It will be better to try admonishing and guiding him sha.

You know most of these our old people are "Awon Afa wa sope" type of people. It's really hard to convince them because they grew up around ignorance.

There is just something I love about the names; Hammaad and Salamah. I really can't explain it.

Since I never got any replies, I'll be using this thread to share my random thoughts lol.

I'm​ usually confused as regards where to post comments that aren't related to the threads I created.

I don't like certain things I see on some threads so I avoid posting on them.