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AideeSheks:
So I just stumbled upon this thread. I've taken a deep interest in 3D printing technology of recent, so now I'm trying to brush up my CAD skills. Have some substantial knowledge on 3D design in autocad but I'm yet to work with Solidworks (but would still love to delve into it though). Hopefully I can gain something here

Abeg pm me let's chat Sir

More materials to broaden the discussion

http://listofbidaas..ca/2014/03/unknown-sunnahs-when-listening-to-music.html

snapscore:
when you say singing, do you mean writing out a song with full lyrics and deciding the tone and things? *which is a waste of time anyways*

Singing to me means singing out a random words. Not necessarily like a song song.

https://islamqa.info/en/23351

It would be interesting to find out if the scholars differed on it.

To be honest, I really do not know.

Singing out random words could be melodious too you know

I know a lot of scholars read out poems for educative purposes.

Just found this

https://islamqa.info/en/11563

Besides countries with maybe 80% + muslim population, there are no countries where it's easy to practise Islam especially as a Muslim striving hard to follow the Sunnah. You'll always get those funny looks and funny questions. But with time, they all get used to it once they realize you're hardcore and their mockery isn't changing anything. The only sad thing about this is that fellow muslims also participate in this act.

That said, It's good to just keep doing your thing without paying attention to them. Try to be as cordial as you can.

As for those harassing our women, they do that only when they know the men are not around. That's why it's good to have a Mahram
wherever you are

Oh you dare not try that around me. I don't care about your status and wherever we are. Ko ni rogbo fun e rara. Since we dealt with
one yeye principal at Clegg in Surulere, I heard she has been playing safe since then

Also, I think another reason why this harassment happens a lot is because most of our Muslim folks at the top are very weak in
faith and are very timid. You can hardly tell some of them are Muslims. It's like they feel ashamed being Muslims. It's a sad trend
unfortunately

Allaahu musta'aan

Like Ibn Taymiyah said, It is upon everyone who is not a scholar to follow the consensus of the scholars.

I'd love to know the general consensus on this. For Shaykh Fawzaan to have said that, means the scholars
probably differ on the issue of "singing". I'd really appreciate our knowledgeable asaatiz here helping us
shed more light on this

But we all know music is not permissible anyway. There is a consensus on that

Yep! I found it. The name of the book is Tahreem Aalaatu-t-tarab. By the way, I don't have the book itself ooo,
just a magazine that referenced it. An-Naseehah April/May 2012

snapscore:
I agree with adejaresalami1 music (ie musical instrument) and singing (with one's voice and no instrument) are different.

The Op talked about music and not singing.

But eeerm...

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The interpretation of the Sahaabah and Taabi’in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with saheeh isnaads from Ibn ‘Abbaas and Ibn Mas’ood. Abu’l-Sahbaa’ said: I asked Ibn Mas’ood about the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqmaan 31:6]. He said: By Allaah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing – and he repeated it three times. It was also reported with a saheeh isnaad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) that this means singing


There is no contradiction between the interpretation of “idle talk” as meaning singing and the interpretation of it as meaning stories of the Persians and their kings, and the kings of the Romans, and so on, such as al-Nadr ibn al-Haarith used to tell to the people of Makkah to distract them from the Qur’aan. Both of them are idle talk. Hence Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Idle talk” is falsehood and singing

https://islamqa.info/en/5000

But what do I know

The Dawah of Islam cannot be referred to as Dawah except it has a Basis, and The Fundamental Basis is Tawheed.

Ko si Alu Jannah ti ko ba si Tawheed

RABIUSHILE04:
I have an audio from our blessed shaykh, where the questioner asked of music in nikka....

Abeg post it. Just stumbled upon this

https://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_The_Prohibition_of_Music.pdf

Shaykh Al Albani wrote something on this

"Show off" is something I think about all the time. I consciously avoid it

Trust me, that pit is one of the easiest to fall into .

lexiconkabir:
Empiree probably didnt understood what you meant by "Why don't you go back and ask the Salaf why they distinguished themselves from all these people in their books."

because his reply is quite hilarious.

Oh you saw that too? He was telling me about 80s. What's all that? I think he was just looking for someone to engage .
Fortunately, I'm the wrong person. I'm a very busy person and I don't like wasting my time on people who aren'tready to learn.
He better look for someone else

Demmzy15:
Aboo Nasir is from where?

I think he's from Osun State. He spent parts of his childhood in Port Harcourt tho *verfification needed*.He was/is a student of Ustaz Sulayman Najmuddin and the late Ustaz Awwal Albani (rahimahullah). He occasionally writes on Legacy/An-Naseehah alongside Ustaz Abdul-Ghani Jumah and Suleman Fulani. Remember those magazines? I don't know whether they still publish sha

Empiree:
Where is your EVIDENCE from KITAB & SUNNAH encouraging this type of division?

Why don't you go back and ask the Salaf why they distinguished themselves from all these people in their books. Before this
becomes another back and forth, let me just put it you that I'm not interested in any argument and I probably won't reply
you so don't stress. I don't like irrelevant arguments especially when I know the person is not willing to learn.

I think this track will help us a lot in understanding what Salafiyyah is and I'm sure y'all will enjoy it.
I've had it in my folder for a very long time now. It was rendered by Abu Naasir Ibrahim Abdur-Rauf

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1up8Nm72FyX

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0MYQF2VqKlC

Speaking of Abu Naasir, I'm still looking for his recent recordings ooo . Just incase If anyone has it, please
let me know. I don't mind paying sef

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Just to add to this

My understanding is that as long as someone follows the Qur'an and sunnah and the righteous predecessors then you are from the salaf

Having the right aqeedah is one of the ingredients you need to have before you can claim to follow the Quran and Sunnah.

snapscore:
Jazakallahu Khayran for the link.

I have learnt a few things and I have done some research. The least I can say is that I am unsure of his aqeedah and as the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) said: “Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt, for truth leads to reassurance and lies lead to uncertainty.” Classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allah have mercy on him).

Wa iyyaaki

From what I've gathered so far, he seems to be one of those "we are all Muslims, let's be united" kind of preachers and doesn't want to take a stand. Look! Mu'tazilis, Ash'aris, Naqshabandi, Deobandi, Jamaatu Tabligh all claim to be Muslims. How do you then differentiate between yourself and these people? Some of these people do what even the salafiyyah do in action (Beards, izbal and all that) but their aqeedah are all susceptible. What am I trying to say

Once your aqeedah is not of the salaf, then you are not salafee. What we should be asking ourselves is what exactly is Mufti Menk's aqeedah?

That said, the scholars have always advised us to be wary of so-called preachers who aren't recommended by top scholars. Going by his popularity, if he is of the salaf, the scholars would definitely have recommended him

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This is what Shaykh Wasiullah Abbas said about him

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/thewayofsalafiyyah./2015/05/19/mufti-ismail-menk-is-salafi-or-deobandi-by-shaykh-wasiullah-abbas/amp/?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us

FriendChoice:
I protest. Point a single teaching of Mufti that is against Sunnah then I will believe. He must not categorically call himself salafi

Tbh with you, I don't know much about him. I guess my reason is because I've never seen the scholars recommend him

To your question, please refer to my response to snapscore

snapscore:
I am sorry but is there something I am not understanding? I am sincerely looking for an answer. My understanding is that as long as someone follows the Qur'an and sunnah and the righteous predecessors then you are from the salaf. Salafi is not proclamation by words but by actions. I have never watched a video where Mufti Menk preached something against the Qur'an or sunnah. So I don't really understand why we should be concerned about him.

Sorry to mention you AbuHammaad but I would really like some explanation if you have time.

You are definitely right with the emboldened. The answer to your question is in lexiconkabir's post

"some say I'm a barelvi, some say I'm a wahhabi, some say I'm a SALAFI" "all these names(including salafi) for me i know what i am, i am a Muslim"
now here comes the question, sufi call themselves muslims, shia call themselves Muslims, tabligees the same, ahmadiyyah and so on, how do you differentiate between your methodology and the others? this same "I'm a muslim" statement, shaykh Al-Albaani says, someone of knowledge won't make such a statement, but if he is not a person of knowledge then he can say such.
he has people following him, if they get to hear this from him, what do you think will happen?
A true Ahlul sunnah NEVER HIDES HIS/HER IDENTITY.

Despite all the admonitions on the other thread, we still have people celebrating this? Allahu musta'an

lexiconkabir:
"some say I'm a barelvi, some say I'm a wahhabi, some say I'm a SALAFI" "all these names(including salafi) for me i know what i am, i am a Muslim"

now here comes the question, sufi call themselves muslims, shia call themselves Muslims, tabligees the same, ahmadiyyah and so on, how do you differentiate between your methodology and the others? this same "I'm a muslim" statement, shaykh Al-Albaani says, someone of knowledge won't make such a statement, but if he is not a person of knowledge then he can say such.

he has people following him, if they get to hear this from him, what do you think will happen?

A true Ahlul sunnah NEVER HIDES HIS/HER IDENTITY.

Truer words have never been said!!!

Mufti Menk is not salafee and I don't think he has ever proclaimed to be one. We should be worried about that

lexiconkabir:
It is reported that Abū Al-Dardāʾ – Allaah be pleased with him – said:

When you adorn your copies of the Quran and embellish your mosques, destruction will be upon you.

shaykh Al-albaani says this statement made by this salaf also corresponds to a similar statement made by the prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam).

This is a very dangerous trend I see today especially mosques built by wealthy people. May Allah save us from the path of destruction.

Ikhwaan, sorry I haven't updated this thread in a while. I've been very busy but I'll try making the thread active henceforth

Please feel free to contribute

RABIUSHILE04 is a breath of fresh air in this section. Unfortunately, the defaulters don't like to put aside their egos and learn.

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Thanks for posting that Contact17. At least, we won't have to do play irrelevant back and forth game