₦airaland Forum

Katsumoto: Some folks are so dubious, they will go to any extent to have a moronic opinion in a debate. If Yoruba folks in Lagos could not be classed as Yoruba because they weren't in the Western region, then the Yoruba in Benin republic must not be Yoruba as well. Similarly, the Igbo in the old Western region must have Yoruba as well since they weren't included in the Eastern region.

Too many dimwits in this section.

afam4eva: So, why did you refer to his list as mediocre? You asked for a list and he provided one and you now go on to plan B. Just accept that you were wring and move on. People make mistakes.

shymexx: You still haven't answered my question about the allegations against Zik and his romance with the MI6...

And why the same British colonialist who NEVER practiced meritocracy in any of its colonies suddenly changed and embraced meritocracy in Nigeria..

shymexx: Yo, Kats is here - watch ACM10 run with his tail between his legs...

shymexx: Don't cite an Igbo author when we're having a discourse - provide the neutral author, who's neither Igbo nor Yoruba...

And you still haven't said anything about the allegations against the late Nnamdi Azikwe and how he rigged the election with the MI6...

shymexx: Let's start with the Schools:

CMS Grammar School
University of lbadan
Yaba College of Technology
King’s College
Methodist Boys High School
Queens College
Eko Boys High School
St. Gregory's College
St. Finbarrs College
Methodist Girls High School .... etc..

http://www.onlinenigeria.com/education/?blurb=534
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaba_College_of_Technology


[s]Mr Akintola Williams, Chief Frederick Rotimi Alade Williams, Dr Henry Carr, Herbert Macaulay, Otunba TOS Benson, Chief Folarin Coker, Chief Remi Fani-Kayode, Bala Miller, Professor Ayodele Awojobi, T. K. E. Phillips, Chief G.O.K Ajayi, Major General Henry Adefowope, Prince Tanimose Bankole Oki, Mr S. O. Wey, Mr Ola Vincent, Professor Babs Fafunwa, Chief Ernest Shonekan, Rt. Rev. George Bako, Chief Ayo Adebanjo, Taslim Olawale Elias, Jacob Ade Ajayi, Ransome Kuti family, Adeniran Ogunsanya, Sir Adetokunbo Ademola,[/s] etc. Throw the Saros and Amaros in there
http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/bookshelf/book-reviews/book-review-nigerias-first-secondary-grammar-school-by-reuben-abati.html

For the Igbos - Nnamdi Azikwe and Ojukwu's pops(There aren't too many of them in my source)...

afam4eva: [s]Herbert Macaulay did not form NCNC alone. It was a collabo between him[/s], ZIK and some other people even though he was made the first president of the party while ZIK was the secretary. You guys should desist from making wide assertions that you can't defend. If this were communist China someone would have been shot.

shymexx: Herbert Macaulay - the grandson of Bishop Ajayi Crowther..

He was the grandson of bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther and the son of the founder of the first secondary school in Nigeria, the CMS Grammar School, Lagos. After going to a Christian missionary school, he took a job as a clerk at the Lagos Department of Public Works. From 1891 to 1894 he studied civil engineering in Plymouth, England. On his return, he worked for the Crown as a land inspector. He left his position in 1898 due to growing distaste for the British rule over the Lagos Colony and the position of Yorubaland and the Niger Coast Protectorate as British colonies in all but name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Macaulay

shymexx: However, most of the educated elites were Yorubas... Most of the colonial schools were also located in the SW...

Even the few Igbo elites were based in the SW...

centje: Thanks ACM,how is life treating or how are you treating life...lol

shymexx: I'm not arguing against the last paragraph - however, what I've got problems with is the incessant lies by Igbo icons that Igbo "dominated" everything in Nigeria pre-independence because it was based on meritocracy... If it were based on meritocracy, the Yorubas from Lagos and Ogun, and the Itsekiris should have dominated because they were by far the most educated and qualified group in Nigeria at that point in Nigerian history... Even NCNC(which was later hijacked by Zik and Igbos) was a party started the Yoruba elites in Lagos and an Ijaw man...


To be honest, the rise of Igbos had more to do with their individualism, ability to migrate to the unknown, and their willingness to accept Christianity/westernisation at the expense of their culture... Suffice to say, the colonialists partially civilised the Igbos(just as the Luo tribe of Kenya) - and they saw Igbos as willing tools for servitude, period... Most of these people were psychologists and they knew what they were doing...

centje: A woman is best adviced to limit number of Cesarean section to 3 to avoid complications. Because each additional cs comes with increased risk of developing complications(bleeding,abnormal placenta implant,rupture etc)

However,for a woman who had 2 lower segment cs incision OR 1 classical cs incision, subsequent deliveries can only be safely done through cs.

Consult your doctor,he is the one with the full history of your case.
Jst decide what you wnt for urself no that of others.

Yames70: ACM 10 re u a doctor?

I love ur replies!

like he said there must b indications b4 cs is done,but in developed countries,women who don't want to experience labour pains opt for cs.for me once a woman has had 4cs done,I advise her 2 stop,if am performing d 4th cs I give her d option of tubal ligation.

danaz: cos mst women dat readily go for cs are literate n only few frm dat class short chg their health on d ground of 'my pastor said'..

@others..cs is very safe baring any rare complication of surgery.researches conducted by ACOG shws dat morbidity frm svd is higher in d long run cf to cs.d lil prob we hv is d stone age state of our health care system.there are pros n cons.tying all tgeda,i prefer cs.
Now d more d nos of cs u hv d higher d risk.so a max of 3 or 4 is ok.

Bokoharam: I am surprised I have not read anyone here say, "My pastor says I can do one more...." strange really!

TouchDown: If he is as broke as you claim, how could he afford a top, top lawyer like Mike Ozhekome?

ACM10: Signing this petition is tantamount to surrendering our sovereignty to foreign power. For God's sake, this petition is not going to sway the president even if it garners enough signatures. No one puts himself in a position of compromise with the media. This is why politicians mostly grants interview to friendly media outlets. How many interviews had Obama granted to Foxnews?

BBC is partly funded with British taxpayers money just like NTA. The only difference is that BBC enjoys a greater autonomy. That's why it can criticize its government. Just like it did to Tony Blair after the Iraqi invasion by accusing him of "sexing-up" evidence. Nevertheless, it is still a foreign press and a mouthpiece of British government. The same role which NTA plays for the Nigerian government.

Nigerian citizens lack internal pride that they can readily invite foreign elements to meddle in our internal affairs. This is another reason why this entity called Nigeria should dissolve. Can you imagine Americans signing a petition for Obama to be interviewed by the BBC?

This idea of signing up a petition to force our president to be interviewed by a foreign and presumably hostile media is moronic and dead on arrival. What a terrible waste of effort and energy!

shymexx: Perhaps, power was also given to the North by the British based on merit, no? And the North were allowed to also dominate the military based on merit as well... When it favours your people, it's "merit based" - when it doesn't, it's federal character...

[s]Or probably the Igbo people embraced colonial servitude before others, their individualism, and allowed westernisation to override their culture - hence why the British were more inclined towards the Igbos because they were willing tools for colonial control... This can't be far from the truth since Azikwe was a M15/M16 agent and he was used to rig the election that brought the North into power...

Hey, I'm not saying anything, I'm just thinking out loud here...[/s]

Da_b¤§§.:
you are very stûpid.
Why should they prevent him from attending his father's burial? And nobody prevented him from donating blood as an illegal son?
I don't blame him, I blame his greedy uncles and step mum.

c.fours:
This is the most senseless part of the article.
because you have Western education DOES NOT entitle you to rule Nigeria. No one is going to chase you around to give you posts just because you speak British English. Before the war, yes, many Igbos held positions of power but that was because our colonizer, Britain, put you in those positions of power. THey realized your tribe was less organized and best at kissing azz.

Once the British got kicked out and left Nigeria, you lost your advantage and decided you want to leave Nigeria too. That's a cowardly move.
Maybe your strength as a tribe lies in commerce rather than in politics.

You can't have it all. And you just appear to be a greedy, self-centered tribe the more you whine.

Lilema: You don't have talent to know nice songs. You just hating. Take all the frenzy with Goldie apart. Song is cool.

Warri _Pikin: I had always wanted to avoid this civil war debate largely going on between Igbos and Yoruba.
But Chimamanda mentioned something i had always had in my mind.Which is that Nigeria always knew it would defeat Biafra because it had more weapons,soldiers and the entire international community, so why then do you need to starve Igbos on top of it? I don't know who advised that policy,but it was a wicked over kill.
It is even more painful that in the end, Biafrans were defeated purely by military capture of all their towns and their airports. So why were those children starved to death?

Katsumoto I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THE YORUBAS
ARE THE ONLY TRIBE WITH THE BUSINESS
OF DEBATING OR ARGUING WITH THE
IGBOS ABOUT THE WAR?

Katsumoto: Read Adichie's account again. How many times did she mention characters from the North with regards to the war?

Yet she managed to drag Awo's name into it and also of a phantom friend who was almost lynched by a mob that thought he/she was Igbo because he/she was light skinned. Are there no light skinned Yoruba folks?

Why did Adichie also need to go back into history back to 1952 (it was really 1951) to stress that Awo stopped Zik from being premier? Why didn't she talk about those pogroms against Ndigbo before Independence but which Ndigbo ignored before forming an alliance with the North?

When you folks stop mentioning Yoruba folks in your whining, Yoruba folks will stop responding to you.

Katsumoto: Story tellers should stick to telling stories.