italo:

Here are some of the evils of the Catholic Church:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_health_care

To be cntd...

italo:


During the Middle Ages, the Church founded Europe's first universities, producing scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas, who helped establish scientific method https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science

Keep dancing around.

oluwaahmed:
U xtains r so funny. Dissin d catholic church meanwhile ur churches are no better or shd I say even worse. Catholics have better persona dan all dese churches & so-called miracle houses, whoma are even more brainwashed dan d catholics. I hav a lota Xtain friends but I can tell u dat catholics hav a deep undastandin of d scriptures more dan deir pentecostal counterparts. D catholic church dt u guys r Dissin wer d ones dat even released d Bible ur private jet & enterprenural pastors r usin 2 get rich. U're callin catholic church a cult because dey love & help each oda irrespective of deir social class. Ders a huge GAP or class differential in ur pentecostal churches more dan dt of catholic churches. D rev of catholic churches r nt afraid 2 point fingers & criticism corrupt politicians. Luk @ pple like Anthony cardinal okojie; rev fr kuka, deses pple wer neva scared of sayin d truth even in d military regime. Wen I look @ catholics worship and pray it's similar 2 dat of Islam. I am forced 2 belive truly Dats it's one God we servin but tru dft means. Also sayin catholics Dnt marry outside deir church is rily a lie. Only a fool will belive dat. Religion is not d problem of africa, it's d interpretatn. B4 d advent of Islam & xtainity we had our trditnal religions. Wer if one stole, or was a homosexual d god of dat particular village will strike tins. U find out dt tho africa was backward; societies wer saner. U can't jst kill 4 no reason. Even wen u run, ur ancestors are called upon by d gods 2 bring justice & punishment. Do u knw ow many wars d catholic had 2 fight 2 defend deir faith in order 4 u xtains 2 be openin churches in evry str & shanti? Pls all u catholic haters shd do ur research well b4 tukin. Even I a Muslim is more informed dan u. Keep on givin ur pastors all ur money while ur neighbor starves, y'all pentecostal r d most ignorant. Wer ur "papa" is supreme & no one can questn his judgement.

johnydon22:


Have decided to leave the kid to his delusional self deceptive convictions. . . We have taught him enough, i suggest you guys steer this thread back to its original path and forget the catholic trolling derailment

italo:


Science in the modern sense of the word, mainly refers to the Scientific Method. And you have said that this started in the 17th century.

See Wikipedia on Science:

In modern usage "science" most often refers to a way of pursuing knowledge, not only the knowledge itself. In the 17th and 18th centuries scientists increasingly sought to formulate knowledge in terms of laws of nature. Over the course of the 19th century, the word "science" became increasingly associated with the scientific method itself, as a disciplined way to study the natural world, including physics, chemistry, geology and biology. It is in the 19th century also that the term scientist began to be applied to those who sought knowledge and understanding of nature.

THAT was practically invented by the Catholic Church...especially through a clergyman called Roger Bacon.

wikipedia:
The Oxford English Dictionary defines the
scientific method as "a method or procedure that
has characterized natural science since the
17th century, consisting in systematic
observation, measurement, and experiment, and
the formulation, testing, and modification of
hypotheses."

italo:

Science in the modern sense of the word, mainly refers to the Scientific Method...THAT was practically invented by the Catholic Church...especially through a clergyman called Roger Bacon.

italo:


You list them...or they are so few you can't find any?

And list the deeds your deeper life has done for the world?

Nothing?

italo:

I want you to list them...
...and the deeds deeper life has done for
humanity...
Let's compare.

italo:


You have proved me right with the bold.

"The Scientific Method" refers to a singular concept. That particular concept, according to you began to Characterize natural science in 17th century.

It is this concept that the modern sense of the word "Science" refers to.

Thank you.

italo:


No you're ashamed to see the good of the Catholic Church. Others will see it.

italo:


No you're ashamed to see the good of the Catholic Church. Others will see it.

italo:


1. That was a wiki article about the role of Christianity in civilization. Majority of what is there refers specifically to the Catholic Church, as I later enumerated to the person I was talking to. I wasn't trying to say that the Catholic Church did 100% of those things...but it did most. I assumed the person would be sensible enough to decipher that...but envy has blocked his mind a long time ago.

italo:
@adsonstone,
FAIL! "Christianity" in the article was essentially
referring to the Catholic Church."
...Now you shamelessly want to take the glory of
another and ascribe it to yourself.

italo:


What is Scientific Method and where was it practised or standardized before Roger Bacon?

italo:


[s]Let us break it down.

Education

Catholic school are maintained parochial schools or education ministries of the Catholic Church. As of 2011, the Church operates the world's largest non-governmental school system.[1] Catholic schools participate in the evangelizing mission of the Church, integrating religious education as the core subject within their curriculum.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_education

Church scholars preserved literacy in Western Europe following the Fall of Rome (4th century - Catholic)During the Middle Ages, the Church rose to replace the Roman Empire as the unifying force in Europe (Catholic). The cathedrals of that age remain among the most iconic feats of architecture produced by Western civilization (Catholic).. Many of Europe's universities were also founded by the church at that time (Catholic). Many historians state that universities and cathedral schools were a continuation of the interest in learning promoted by monasteries (Catholic).[2] The university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting (Catholic - Universities existed before Protestantism) .[3][4] The Reformation brought an end to religious unity in the West, but the Renaissance masterpieces produced by Catholic artists like Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and Raphael at that time remain among the most celebrated works of art ever produced. Similarly, Christian sacred music by composers like Pachelbel, Vivaldi, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Schubert and Verdi is among the most admired classical music in the Western canon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Western_civilization

Tell us what your deeper life does for the world: Zero. Where do the Presbyterian, Methodist, Anglican communities fit in to the statistics. Give me facts! Real instances and figures.

The Catholic Church founded the modern university system in Europe before the advent of the Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans etc.

Health Care next...[/s]

italo:
"The Methodist Church, among other Christian denominations, was responsible for the establishment of hospitals, universities,orphanages, soup kitchens, and schools to follow Jesus's command to spread the Good News and serve all people."

safarigirl:
@italo,

....most of the things you claimed were stopped by the Catholic church were in fact stopped by Presbyterian and Methodist churches andd pray tell, what was 'evil' about Polygamy? So, all the men with one wife who now cheat on their wives are better than polygamists?

You already sound brain-washed with all your "the Catholic church has only done good to the world" preaching. The church has told you all they want you to know, but nobody will ever tell you the bad they've done. After all, if you write your CV, will you add that you took bribes in your former work place on it?

I'm also Catholic, and I defend the Catholic church most times, but even I know the hypocrisy that lies in that church and it is sickening.

herald9:
Italo,
It's laughable when you said science was invented by the Catholic Church. Please stop spamming ignorance all over this thread and read deeper.

italo:



Sometimes, you disappoint me with the way you reason. Did I ever try to imply or say that only the Catholic Church does good things?

italo:

What I'm doing is to list the good things the Catholic Church has done. When you read that page, it is obvious that the vast majority of the things there were referring to the Catholic Church. Many of the things there even predate all those christian congregations you mentioned.

italo:

While I'm also waiting for you to post the evils...and deeper life deeds.

italo:

I will start by listing some of the good that The Catholic Church and its heirachy has done.

And wait for you to tell me if they are truly good or not.

From wikipedia:

The role of Christianity in civilization has been intricately intertwined with the history and formation of Western society. Throughout its long history, the Christian Church has been a major source of social services like schooling and medical care; inspiration for art, culture and philosophy; and influential player in politics and religion. In various ways it has sought to affect Western attitudes to vice and virtue in diverse fields. It has, over many centuries, promulgated the teachings of Jesus within the Western world.

Festivals like Easter and Christmas are marked as public holidays; the Gregorian Calendar has been adopted internationally as the civil calendar; and the calendar itself is measured from the assumed date of Jesus's incarnation.

The cultural influence of the Church has been vast. Church scholars preserved literacy in Western Europe following the Fall of Rome.[1] During the Middle Ages, the Church rose to replace the Roman Empire as the unifying force in Europe. The cathedrals of that age remain among the most iconic feats of architecture produced by Western civilization. Many of Europe's universities were also founded by the church at that time. Many historians state that universities and cathedral schools were a continuation of the interest in learning promoted by monasteries.[2] The university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting.[3][4] The Reformation brought an end to religious unity in the West, but the Renaissance masterpieces produced by Catholic artists like Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and Raphael at that time remain among the most celebrated works of art ever produced. Similarly, Christian sacred music by composers like Pachelbel, Vivaldi, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Schubert and Verdi is among the most admired classical music in the Western canon.

The Bible and Christian theology have also strongly influenced Western philosophers and political activists. The teachings of Jesus, such as the Parable of the Good Samaritan, are among the important sources for modern notions of Human Rights and the welfare measures commonly provided by governments in the West. Long held Christian teachings on sexuality and marriage and family life have also been both influential and (in recent times) controversial.

Christianity played a role in ending practices such as human sacrifice, slavery,[5] infanticide and polygamy.[6] Christianity in general affected the status of women by condemning infanticide (female infants were more likely to be killed), divorce, incest, polygamy, birth control, abortion and marital infidelity.[7] While official Church teaching[8] considers women and men to be complementary (equal and different), some modern "advocates of ordination of women and other feminists" argue that teachings attributed to St. Paul and those of the Fathers of the Church and Scholastic theologians advanced the notion of a divinely ordained female inferiority.[9] Nevertheless, women have played prominent roles in Western history through as part of the church, particularly in education and healthcare, but also as influential theologians and mystics.

Some of the things that Christianity is commonly criticized for include the oppression of women, condemnation of homosexuality, colonialism, and various other violence. Christian ideas have been used both to support and to end slavery as an institution. The criticism of Christianity has come from the various religious and non-religious groups around the world, some of whom were themselves Christians

italo:

In India, over 25,000 schools and colleges are operated by the Church

italo:
By the close of the 19th century, European powers had managed to gain control of most of the African interior.[74] The new rulers introduced cash-based economies which created an enormous demand for literacy and a western education—a demand which for most Africans could only be satisfied by Christian missionaries.[74] Catholic missionaries followed colonial governments into Africa, and built schools, hospitals, monasteries and churches.[74]

With a high number of adult baptisms, the Church is growing faster in Africa than anywhere else.[169] It also operates a greater number of Catholic schools per parish here (3:1) than in other areas of the world.

italo:
From 19th century foundations, the Catholic education system in Australia has grown to be the second biggest sector after government schools with around 21 per cent of all secondary school enrolments.[166] The Church has established primary, secondary and tertiary educational institutions. St Mary MacKillop was a 19th-century Australian nun who founded an educational religious institute, the Sisters of St Joseph of the Sacred Heart, and in 2010 became the first Australian to be canonised as a saint.[167] Catholic education is also significant in neighbouring South Pacific nations: 11% of New Zealand students attend Catholic schools

italo:
The number of Catholic institutions as of 2000[147]
Institutions#
Parishes and missions408,637
Primary and secondary schools125,016
Universities1,046
Hospitals5,853
Orphanages8,695
Homes for the elderly and handicapped13,933
Dispensaries, leprosaries, nurseries and other institutions74,936
Missionary activity for the Catholic Church has always incorporated education of evangelized peoples as part of its social ministry. History shows that in evangelized lands, the first people to operate schools were Roman Catholics. In some countries, the Church is the main provider of education or significantly supplements government forms of education. Presently, the Church operates the world's largest non-governmental school system.[148] Many of Western Civilization's most influential universities were founded by the Catholic Church.

italo:
The Industrial Revolution brought many concerns about the deteriorating working and living conditions of urban workers. Influenced by the German Bishop Wilhelm Emmanuel Freiherr von Ketteler, in 1891 Pope Leo XIII published the encyclical Rerum novarum, which set in context Catholic social teaching in terms that rejected socialism but advocated the regulation of working conditions. Rerum Novarum argued for the establishment of a living wage and the right of workers to form trade unions.[140]

Quadragesimo anno was issued by Pope Pius XI, on 15 May 1931, 40 years after Rerum novarum. Unlike Leo, who addressed mainly the condition of workers, Pius XI concentrated on the ethical implications of the social and economic order. He called for the reconstruction of the social order based on the principle of solidarity and subsidiarity.[141] He noted major dangers for human freedom and dignity, arising from unrestrained capitalism and totalitarian communism.

The social teachings of Pope Pius XII repeat these teachings, and apply them in greater detail not only to workers and owners of capital, but also to other professions such as politicians, educators, house-wives, farmers bookkeepers, international organizations, and all aspects of life including the military. Going beyond Pius XI, he also defined social teachings in the areas of medicine, psychology, sport, TV, science, law and education. Pius XII was called "the Pope of Technology for his willingness and ability to examine the social implications of technological advances. The dominant concern was the continued rights and dignity of the individual. With the beginning of the space age at the end of his pontificate, Pius XII explored the social implications of space exploration and satellites on the social fabric of humanity asking for a new sense of community and solidarity in light of existing papal teachings on subsidiarity.[142]

The Methodist Church, among other Christian denominations, was responsible for the establishment of hospitals, universities, orphanages, soup kitchens, and schools to follow Jesus's command to spread the Good News and serve all people.[143][144] In Western nations, governments have increasingly taken up funding and organisation of health services for the poor but the Church still maintains a massive network of health care providers across the world. In the West, these institutions are increasingly run by lay-people after centuries of being run by priests, nuns and brothers, In 2009, Catholic hospitals in the USA received approximately one of every six patients, according to the Catholic Health Association.[145] Catholic Health Australia is the largest non-government provider grouping of health, community and aged care services, representing about 10% of the health sector.[146] In 1968, nuns or priests were the chief executives of 770 of America's 796 Catholic hospitals. By 2011, they presided over 8 of 636 hospitals.[145]

As with schooling, women have played a vital role in running and staffing Christian care institutions - in Methodist hospitals, deaconesses who trained as nurses staffed the hospitals,[144] and in Catholic hospitals, through religious institutes like the Sisters of Mercy, Little Sisters of the Poor and Sisters of St. Mary - and teaching and nursing have been seen as "women's vocations". Seeking to define the role played by religious in hospitals through American history, the New York Times noted that nuns were trained to "see Jesus in the face of every patient" and that:[145]

“Although their influence is often described as intangible, the nuns kept their hospitals focused on serving the needy and brought a spiritual reassurance that healing would prevail over profit, authorities on Catholic health care say.”

italo:
Adsonstone, more from wiki,

Francisco de Vitoria, a disciple of Thomas Aquinas and a Catholic thinker who studied the issue regarding the human rights of colonized natives, is recognized by the United Nations as a father of international law, and now also by historians of economics and democracy as a leading light for the West's democracy and rapid economic development.[124]

Joseph Schumpeter, an economist of the twentieth century, referring to the Scholastics, wrote, "it is they who come nearer than does any other group to having been the ‘founders’ of scientific economics."[125] Other economists and historians, such as Raymond de Roover, Marjorie Grice-Hutchinson, and Alejandro Chafuen, have also made similar statements. Historian Paul Legutko of Stanford University said the Catholic Church is "at the center of the development of the values, ideas, science, laws, and institutions which constitute what we call Western civilization."[126]


The Catholic Church has contributed to society through its social doctrine which has guided leaders to promote social justice and providing care to the sick and poor. In orations such as his Sermon on the Mount and stories such as The Good Samaritan, Jesus called on followers to worship God, act without violence or prejudice and care for the sick, hungry and poor. Such teachings are the foundation of Catholic Church involvement in social justice, hospitals and health care.

Medieval periodEdit
The Catholic Church established a hospital system in Medieval Europe that was different from the merely reciprocal hospitality of the Greeks and family-based obligations of the Romans. These hospitals were established to cater to "particular social groups marginalized by poverty, sickness, and age," according to historian of hospitals, Guenter Risse.[139]

italo:
Adsonstone, more from wiki:


Early Church Fathers advocated against polygamy, homosexuality, transvestism, and incest.[41] Historically, Christian churches have regarded homosexual sex as sinful, based on the Catholic understanding of the natural law and traditional interpretations of certain passages in the Bible.

Early Church Fathers advocated against polygamy, abortion, infanticide, child abuse, homosexuality, transvestism, and incest.[41] Although some Christian ideals were adopted by the Roman Empire, there is little evidence to link most of these laws to Church influence.[48] After the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as the official religion, however, the link between Christian teachings and Roman family laws became more clear.[49]

For example, Church teaching heavily influenced the legal concept of marriage.[50] During the Gregorian Reform, the Church developed and codified a view of marriage as a sacrament.[17] In a departure from societal norms, Church law required the consent of both parties before a marriage could be performed[41] and established a minimum age for marriage.[51] The elevation of marriage to a sacrament also made the union a binding contract, with dissolutions overseen by Church authorities.[52] Although the Church abandoned tradition to allow women the same rights as men to dissolve a marriage,[53] in practice, when an accusation of infidelity was made, men were granted dissolutions more frequently than women



In opposition to this view, some historians of science, including non-Catholics such as J.L. Heilbron,[75] A.C. Crombie, David Lindberg,[76] Edward Grant, Thomas Goldstein,[77] and Ted Davis, have argued that the Church had a significant, positive influence on the development of Western civilization. They hold that, not only did monks save and cultivate the remnants of ancient civilization during the barbarian invasions, but that the Church promoted learning and science through its sponsorship of many universities which, under its leadership, grew rapidly in Europe in the 11th and 12th centuries. St.Thomas Aquinas, the Church's "model theologian," argued that reason is in harmony with faith, and that reason can contribute to a deeper understanding of revelation, and so encouraged intellectual development.[78] The Church's priest-scientists, many of whom were Jesuits, have been among the leading lights in astronomy, genetics, geomagnetism, meteorology, seismology, and solar physics, becoming some of the "fathers" of these sciences. Examples include important churchmen such as the Augustinian abbot Gregor Mendel (pioneer in the study of genetics), Roger Bacon (a Franciscan friar who was one of the early advocates of the scientific method), and Belgian priest Georges Lemaître (the first to propose the Big Bang theory). Other notable priest scientists have included Albertus Magnus, Robert Grosseteste, Nicholas Steno, Francesco Grimaldi, Giambattista Riccioli, Roger Boscovich, and Athanasius Kircher. Even more numerous are Catholic laity involved in science:Henri Becquerel who discovered radioactivity; Galvani, Volta, Ampere, Marconi, pioneers in electricity and telecommunications; Lavoisier, "father of modern chemistry"; Vesalius, founder of modern human anatomy; and Cauchy, one of the mathematicians who laid the rigorous foundations of calculus.

Many well-known historical figures who influenced Western science considered themselves Christian such as Copernicus,[79] Galileo,[80] Kepler,[81] Newton[82] and Boyle.[83]

According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes).[84] Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace,[85] 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics,[85] 62% in Medicine,[85] 54% in Economics[85] and 49.5% of all Literature awards.[85]

italo:
@adsonstone,


FAIL! "Christianity" in the article was essentially referring to the Catholic Church. Didn't you see the mention of introduction of Easter, Christmas, Gregorian Calendar, Catholic artists and musicians, medieval Cathedrals, "official teaching" etc. The whole page is a redirect for "The role of Catholic church in western civilization."

Where the article referred to protestants it was explicit in stating it. E.g the reformation.


When you read the whole page, you'd see that Christianity referred to Catholicism, mainly.

Now you shamelessly want to take the glory of another and ascribe it to yourself.

Ok...Show me the official teaching of the Church as mentioned in the article!

italo:

Maybe you should mention the evils, I can't think of any now. I'm tired. I shouldn't be doing your work for you.

I haven't even finished mentioning the good things.

And I also want you to mention the good and bad that your Deeper Life shop has done for the world...


let us see and compare...and also so that you'll see how tiring it is...otherwise you're hypocritical.

italo:

4. Science was practically invented by the Catholic Church.

italo:



In modern usage "science" most often refers to a way of pursuing knowledge, not only the knowledge itself. In the 17th and 18th centuries scientists increasingly sought to formulate knowledge in terms of laws of nature. Over the course of the 19th century, the word "science" became increasingly associated with the scientific method itself, as a disciplined way to study the natural world, including physics, chemistry, geology and biology. It is in the 19th century also that the term scientist began to be applied to those who sought knowledge and understanding of nature.[4]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

Edit
Roger Bacon was inspired by the writings of Grosseteste. In his account of a method, Bacon described a repeating cycle of observation, hypothesis, experimentation, and the need for independent verification. He recorded the way he had conducted his experiments in precise detail, perhaps with the idea that others could reproduce and independently test his results.

About 1256 he joined the Franciscan Order and became subject to the Franciscan statute forbidding Friars from publishing books or pamphlets without specific approval. After the accession of Pope Clement IV in 1265, the Pope granted Bacon a special commission to write to him on scientific matters. In eighteen months he completed three large treatises, the Opus Majus, Opus Minus, and Opus Tertium which he sent to the Pope.[45] William Whewell has called Opus Majus at once the Encyclopaedia and Organon of the 13th century.[46]

Part I (pp. 1–22) treats of the four causes of error: authority, custom, the opinion of the unskilled many, and the concealment of real ignorance by a pretense of knowledge.
Part VI (pp. 445–477) treats of experimental science, domina omnium scientiarum. There are two methods of knowledge: the one by argument, the other by experience. Mere argument is never sufficient; it may decide a question, but gives no satisfaction or certainty to the mind, which can only be convinced by immediate inspection or intuition, which is what experience gives.
Experimental science, which in the Opus Tertium (p. 46) is distinguished from the speculative sciences and the operative arts, is said to have three great prerogatives over all sciences:
It verifies their conclusions by direct experiment;
It discovers truths which they could never reach;
It investigates the secrets of nature, and opens to us a knowledge of past and future.
Roger Bacon illustrated his method by an investigation into the nature and cause of the rainbow, as a specimen of inductive research

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method

That is how the Catholic Church invented Science, which in modern sense, refers to the Scientific method.

Thank you.

italo:

I will start by listing some of the good that The Catholic Church and its heirachy has done.

And wait for you to tell me if they are truly good or not.

From wikipedia:

The role of Christianity in civilization has been intricately intertwined with the history and formation of Western society. Throughout its long history, the Christian Church has been a major source of social services like schooling and medical care; inspiration for art, culture and philosophy; and influential player in politics and religion. In various ways it has sought to affect Western attitudes to vice and virtue in diverse fields. It has, over many centuries, promulgated the teachings of Jesus within the Western world.

Festivals like Easter and Christmas are marked as public holidays; the Gregorian Calendar has been adopted internationally as the civil calendar; and the calendar itself is measured from the assumed date of Jesus's incarnation.

The cultural influence of the Church has been vast. Church scholars preserved literacy in Western Europe following the Fall of Rome.[1] During the Middle Ages, the Church rose to replace the Roman Empire as the unifying force in Europe. The cathedrals of that age remain among the most iconic feats of architecture produced by Western civilization. Many of Europe's universities were also founded by the church at that time. Many historians state that universities and cathedral schools were a continuation of the interest in learning promoted by monasteries.[2] The university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting.[3][4] The Reformation brought an end to religious unity in the West, but the Renaissance masterpieces produced by Catholic artists like Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and Raphael at that time remain among the most celebrated works of art ever produced. Similarly, Christian sacred music by composers like Pachelbel, Vivaldi, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Schubert and Verdi is among the most admired classical music in the Western canon.

The Bible and Christian theology have also strongly influenced Western philosophers and political activists. The teachings of Jesus, such as the Parable of the Good Samaritan, are among the important sources for modern notions of Human Rights and the welfare measures commonly provided by governments in the West. Long held Christian teachings on sexuality and marriage and family life have also been both influential and (in recent times) controversial.

Christianity played a role in ending practices such as human sacrifice, slavery,[5] infanticide and polygamy.[6] Christianity in general affected the status of women by condemning infanticide (female infants were more likely to be killed), divorce, incest, polygamy, birth control, abortion and marital infidelity.[7] While official Church teaching[8] considers women and men to be complementary (equal and different), some modern "advocates of ordination of women and other feminists" argue that teachings attributed to St. Paul and those of the Fathers of the Church and Scholastic theologians advanced the notion of a divinely ordained female inferiority.[9] Nevertheless, women have played prominent roles in Western history through as part of the church, particularly in education and healthcare, but also as influential theologians and mystics.

Some of the things that Christianity is commonly criticized for include the oppression of women, condemnation of homosexuality, colonialism, and various other violence. Christian ideas have been used both to support and to end slavery as an institution. The criticism of Christianity has come from the various religious and non-religious groups around the world, some of whom were themselves Christians

italo:

That is because I always speak in defense of the Church after its accusers have leveled allegations, both true and false.

If I say your mother is an evil perpetual liar because she told a lie, wouldn't you tell me how she is a good woman who takes good care of her family?

Would you need to repeat that she lied?

chibecanglobal:
Let us all go back to reason to regain our glory as a people.
That is the true salvation we need as a people.
That is the emancipation every living soul needs.
That is the sure way of meeting "God"

italo:

I cannot blame the Church for that...I blame the individuals who refused to follow Church teaching.

However, when I look at the overall picture, the Church and its hierarchy have done faaaaaar more good than the evil they have done.

italo:

Science was practically invented by the Catholic Church.

italo:


4. Science was practically invented by the Catholic Church.

italo:

Okay, from your epistle;
1. Prove the bold that those percentages of
christians were Roman Catholics.
2. Prove that Kepler and Boyle were roman
catholics.

kingk:
boss boss.....body dey inside cloth oo truely, its been a while. How's your end?

kingk:
Had I know will never be your portion in jesus name.....AMEN

DatBossAssChick:
...i was kinda broke and i just passed the info to him jokingly and next thing was an alert! I was kinda shocked, happy and grateful at the same time. Since then it is now a regular thing which is becoming scary and I don't want to be blinded by these things.

I've tried to give this man enough distance but it isnt enough, he understands I'm trying to do that but still insist we keep. I keep wondering what one can do.. It won't be funny if my guy finds out that I keep receiving money from him and might not believe my explanations.

What can I do? Pls who else has gone through this before?

Pls matured opinions and critics pls don't criticize.

italo:

Where is the proof that Ekaladerhan stopped being the son of his Bini Father?

Where is the proof that he ever lost his Bini citizenship?

Prove your claim before you start asking diversionary questions.

italo:

Where is the proof that Ekaladerhan stopped being the son of his Bini Father?
Where is the proof that he ever lost his Bini citizenship?
"My point is proved" is not a proof. Sorry.
Prove your claim before you start asking diversionary questions.

italo:


A Bini man is someone with Bini blood.

A Bini Prince is a man who is the biological son of a Bini King.

When did Ekaladerhan lose those two qualities?

Provide a screen shot of where the book says a Bini man ceases to be a Bini man when he's banished.

It's up to you to prove.

italo:


We both agree he was a Bini man at a point in time.

It is up to you to prove that that status changed.

You haven't done that.

You're still guessing. "May."