Mizjanet, who are you?
An Atheist?

italo:
If it doesn't always entail loss of citizenship, on what grounds are you 'certain' that Ekaladerhan was not a Bini man any longer?

I drew my conclusions from reading that banishment may involve loss of citizenship and further reading (of history), (and reasoning) about banishment in the bini empire and Nigeria as a whole.

On what grounds are you 'certain' that Ekaladerhan was still a member of the Bini community...after being banished?
Or did you just assume?

italo:


I gave an example of a banished person who didn't lose citizenship.

Yet you want to force it down my throat that banishment always entails loss of citizenship.



Try harder.

Lies setting in.

It is not new anyway, besides, you have your medal already.

....or you want another one?

italo:


Bros, I no dey for story. Banishment doesn't necessarily mean "total disconnection" or "loss of citizenship."

It could simply mean "removal" or "ouster." it was you who even wrote that

Like I said, you can believe whatever you choose to...even a lie...just to feed your ego.

By the way, here's a medal for your ignorance

dinachi:


...Our problem is not secession. Our problem is learning how to live with other tribes in harmony while doing our businesses. Our focus should be on how to build consensus across the nation for vital political interests.

When the chips are down, we are always alone.

Another point to consider is that Nigeria has become too integrated to break up. Almost every family has in laws across their tribe. How will that be handled?

Igbo are the most integrated people in Nigeria with business interests across the six geopolitical zones of Nigeria. Most of our people will become jobless or stay and be killed the moment a secession is declared.

Those who knew the truth will tell you that even inside Biafra there were still serious cases of tribalism and nepotism, even under the revered Ojukwu. That was why ahiara declaration became necessary to tackle these issues.

Finally, we are not ready militarily and would only be engaging in another massive waste of life if we insist on our ways.
So my people do not be deceived! Our best and only bet is to remain as law abiding citizens of Nigeria while doing our best to continue to be relevant in the scheme of things.
Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

Nice one from the op.

Sadly, many igbos, especially youths, are ignorant of the truths in bold...they try to castigate others, pretending to better than them.

italo:


Mr man, banishment doesn't necessarily mean "loss of citizenship" or "total disconnection" from ones country.

Expulsion too doesn't mean those.

Even your post shows that banishment could simply mean ouster or removal.

I have also given at least a good example of one who was banished but remain a citizen.

Just like an excommunicated man is no longer a part of the roman catholic church even though he may return...the same applies to a banished bini man.

I used that example because they are close enough.

italo:

Stop trying to force your meaning on words.

Who's trying to force meaning on words?
Are you saying they don't mean what I stated?

Look, young man, you can believe whatever you want to believe, either true or not.


Here's on banishment in ancient rome which may involve loss of citizenship.
global.britannica.com/topic/exile-law

I have suggested you read history...especially on banishment (as a punishment) in the Bini and perhaps, Nigeria as a whole.

This book may help
A Popular History of Benin: The Rise and Fall
of a Mighty Forest Kingdom by Peter M. Roese and Dmitri M. Bondarenko.

From it, you can deduce that a banished man in the bini empire ceases to be a member of the community.


However, as I said earlier, you can choose to believe whatever you want...either true or not-- just to feed your ego.

italo:


Bring evidence of the above.


But an ousted person can return. E.g Buhari was ousted in 1984, and he's back.

Same with a removed person.

ex·ile  (ĕg′zīl′, ĕk′sīl′)
n.
1.
a. The condition or period of being forced to live away from one's native country or home, especially as a punishment

"Frances Baard was banished when she was released from prison in 1966, after serving a five-year sentence. Baard had been a union organizer and ANC activist while working in a fruit canning factory in Port Elizabeth. But upon her release, she was banished to an area near Pretoria located far from her children and home. In her new location, Baard was placed in a small corrugated house and given a bed, two blankets, one pillow, two sheets, one table, one chair, and a bag of porridge. During her two-year banning period she worked at a local factory to support herself. After her banning order expired, it took Baard two more years to save enough money to return to Port Elizabeth to see her children (Baard and Schreiner)."

http://overcomingapartheid.msu.edu/sidebar.php?id=65-258-1&page=2

There is no mention of "total disconnection" or "loss of citizenship" anywhere.

What are you saying?

Does 'not mentioning' those words translate to not 'meaning' them?
So, because the bible does not explicitly state that a 'Man in Christ' has a 'new beginning,' it means he doesn't have a new beginning, right?

Think.


ex- ile
[eg-zahyl, ek-sahyl]
noun
1. expulsion from one's native land by
authoritative decree.

2.the fact or state of such expulsion:
to live in exile.

Exile means to be away from one's home (i.e. city, state or country), while either being
explicitly refused permission to return and/or
being threatened with imprisonment or death
upon return. It can be a form of punishment and solitude.
-Wikipedia

The bold is sufficient to say that he's no longer a part of the community.



On your Baard story;
1. 'Banished' people are allowed to live within the country, though remote areas.

That deviates from banished being defined.

2. Their ban had terms.
So, your reference is of no use.

I can see you want to start clutching at straws.

italo:


Maybe because that fact is undeniable.


You have no shred of evidence for the bold. If they are true, it could be because Yorubas are cowards, and lazier than other tribe who find it easy to thrive in Yoruba land because the indegenes won't do anything.

Evidence on accounts of wars?
You must be kidding.

You wouldn't even like me to delve into bringing details of series of the south eastern Aro-Ibibio Wars which lasted for almost 30 decades...or the Anglo-Aro wars which resulted in
serious casualties....or even the recent Igbo/Biafran war against Nigeria that almost tore Nigeria apart....or the series or Religious wars/violences/crises that occur frequently in Northern Nigeria.



There are many books you can read about wars in Yorubaland.

Read:
1. Robert Smith: Kingdom of the Yoruba
2. The History of the Yorubas by Samuel Johnson
3. Professor Akinjogbin - "Wars in Yorubaland,
1793 - 1893: An analytical categorization
4. S.A. Akintoye's "Revolution and Power
Politics.
5. J.F. Ade Ajayi and R. Smith: Yoruba Warfare

Here's a link to one
www.archive.org/stream/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john_djvu.txt

I believe these books reveal a whole lot about wars, violences and conflicts in south western Nigeria and also present a form of comparison between the south west and other regions in Nigeria.

....and yes, Yorubas 'won't do anything' because of their friendly and accommodating nature as the Lagos State Govt. and Wikipedia describes, as long as the non-indigenes do not constitute nuisance.

The nature of Lagos alone tells it all.
There are millions of Igbos, Hausas and many other tribes living there, you can't find such in several other states/regions.



"The Yorubas live in peace and harmony"
"There has never been a history of religious crisis among Yorubas unlike with Northerners"
"Yorubas are industrious, peace-loving and progressive, I am proud to be associated with them"


- Governor of Bauchi State, Mallam Isa Yuguda.
Speaking at the 2013 Yoruba Day celebration in Bauchi.
scannewsnigeria.com/featured-post/learn-from-yorubas-peaceful-co-existence-yuguda-tells-nigerians/

italo:

I have a reason to doubt the good they say because they are Yorubas so they can lie to make themselves seem good. I have no reason to doubt that Lagos is no man's land. Why would they lie to disadvantage themselves?



I only quoted Lagos Govt. Maybe hatred and envy is eating them up.

I don't hate Yorubas. I only hate some of the things they do, just like other tribes.

There is nothing to envy Yorubas for. Nothing! Or do you know any?

The bold; Hypocrisy and dishonesty at its peak.

You're simply envious of the description of Yorubas given by Lagos State Govt., Wikipedia and Mallam Isa Yuguda admist several other sources....and that's the reason for your doubts.

Like I said before, free up yourself.

italo:


In your Yoruba lie lie dictionary, I guess. Show me proof from an English dictionary.

Read on banishment in the Bini Empire....and even many other areas.

Banishment in the Bini empire entails loss of citizenship.



Well, from an English dictionary;

verb (used with object)
1. to expel from or relegate to a country or
place by authoritative decree; condemn
to exile:

2. to compel to depart; send, drive, or put
away:

Synonyms: deportation, dismissal, expatriation, expulsion, ouster, removal


A deported man is not allowed to return or visit the country he was deported from.

An expelled student is not allowed to re-enroll in the same school, he looses his 'studentship'
and identity with the school.


http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/expulsion


Exile means to be away from one's home (i.e.
city, state or country), while either being
explicitly refused permission to return and/or being threatened with imprisonment or death upon return

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile

italo:

And Lagos is a no man's land full of mannerless and lazy Yoruba people looking for how to harass innocent citizens and extort them.

You Win!

You need a medal to realize it?

italo:


Don't worry about the name anymore. It was meant to buttress my point that Lagos was a Benin colony...which you have already agreed to.



In spite of what you said, Lagos is no man's land...according to the govt.


There are many Nigerians that have refused to return to Nigeria. They are still Nigerians.

Okay Sir, you win!
Congratulations!

....but it doesn't change facts like;
1.Banishment entails total disconnection from one's homeland.

2.Presently and historically, Lagos was and still a part of 'Yorubaland.'

3. Virtually 100% of its indigenes are Yorubas or Yoruba related.

4. Yorubas are accommodating according to Lagos State Govt. And Wikipedia and several other sources.

italo:
Wikipedia is open source. Even you can update it. Lagos State Govt are mainly Yorubas. We expect them to say good about Yorubas.

However, when you and I walk the streets of Lagos, we see a multitude of aggressive and mannerless Yoruba young men ready to harass and attack anybody at any given opportunity.

But then, you revel in falsehood.

Yet they describe their land as a 'no man's land'----that tells me they're really accommodating....and honest too.

The fact that historically, the Yorubas have the least engaged in wars and in modern times, Yorubaland has the highest number/percentage of non-yoruba living in it, that further prove that Yorubas are truly friendly and accommodating as described by the Lagos state Govt. and wikipedia.

You chose to believe Lagos is a 'no-man's-land' yet, you're finding it really hard to accept that Yorubas are accommodating.

It seems its not only dishonesty and hypocrisy your issue is.
Hatred and envy for the Yorubas is eating you up.

Free up yourself, it would really help you.

italo:


I see that everyday as Yoruba omo oniles harass innocent and hardworking developers. I see that as Yoruba agberos harass and attack innocent and hardworking motorists and commuters. And all these thugs are supported and used by Yoruba obas.

I see!

Tell that to the Lagos State Govt. and Wikipedia who described them as that.

italo:


Please show me where the Govt said categorically that Eko has Yoruba roots.

I did not claim the Govt. said that 'categorically.'

This is what was said;

Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being
adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp"

italo:

Then what is your argument about?

1. The fact that Lagos State Govt. describe

Lagos as 'No man's land' (rephrased) does not contradict the fact that:
a. Presently and historically, Lagos was and still a part of 'Yorubaland.'
b. Virtually 100% of its indigenes are Yorubas or Yoruba related.

2. It is improper to describe Oduduwa as a Bini Man...infact, he bluntly refused to return to Bini even to govern them, rather, he sent his son.

italo:


Just beating around the bush.

Eko is an Edo word. Deal with it!

Tell that to the Lagos State Govt.

Yorubas are calm, peace-loving and accommodating people! Deal with that!

modhream:

Eko is an Edo word meaning war settlement/camp.Another instance of a Benin settlement with the Eko prefix is Eko Oshodin or Ekosodin(Oshodin's camp) where uniben campus is located

Eko may refer to 'abode' or 'war settlement.'

Though those words may not have direct or exact translations.

italo:
Are you still trying to prove that Benin did not colonize Lagos?

Look at the bold and answer!

No, Bini conquered Lagos.
Bini colonized Lagos.
The British Empire subdued and colonized Bini.


No one is disputing that.

modhream:

Onitsha had some Benin influence,but never came under the Benin empire.Neither did Asaba nor Igbuzo on the western shore of the Niger

Simple.

There are many more kingdoms/empires that had influences from Bini, yet, were never under Bini Empire.

Many are just ignorant about that.

italo:


No. That is why the Lagos Govt hasn't said so.

Are you trying to imply that you know the history of Lagos more than the Lagos State Govt...and the Govt is ignorant of its history?

No, I'm not.

Seems you're the one implying you know the history of Lagos more than its Govt that said the name has Yoruba roots.

Or are you simply pained about that fact?

italo:


The name Dahomey is an abbreviation of "Isidahomen" who was a Bini General that conquered that land. People still bear Isidahomen today in Edo State. Togo named a university and hotel after the Bini kingdom. Universite du Benin, Lome. Republic of Benin was named after Benin Kingdom after the Late Oba Akenzua granted permission in 1974. Gnassingbe Eyadema said publicly that the people of Togo trace their roots to Bini Kingdom. Even the Ga people of Ghana are from Bini Kingdom. Oduduwa was from Bini. All the Kingdoms in Delta State and Onitsha were under the great Bini Empire.

Benin tradition and history is too detailed to be twisted with your fake historical revision.

Source?

History clearly states that 'Bini' empire only spanned a land mass of some 90000-100000km² at its furtherest extent.

It seems you're the one trying to 'change' history here.

italo:

A Bini man that is banished is a Bini man.

If you disown your son, he would still be your son.

A baptized and excommunicated Roman Catholic priest is a Roman Catholic, right?

A man is disassociated from (ceases to be a member of) his people once he's banished.

Read history and educate yourself.
Stop displaying sheer ignorance.

italo:

Your Yoruba Lagos Govt source said that to dignify Yorubas. They are cowards now...as they were then.

You didn't answer this:

Must they always fight?
Besides, who told you they didn't fight?

...and the Lagos State Govt. and wikipedia were lying when they said this;

"...Eko stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko "war
camp"."

and they're trying to dignify Yorubas when they said this;

"...the Aworis are peace loving people"

Keep being hypocritical and choose what you want to believe from the same source.

erunz:


The first name of the Benin Empire, since its creation some time in the first millenium (i.e, before year 1000) CE, was Igodomigodo, as called by its own inhabitants. Their ruler was called Ogiso...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire

PROUDLY EDO

Congratulations Edo man, till date, you are being ruled by the descendants of a banished 'Bini man.'

italo:


Is there a space between Lagos and Benin Republic?

Powerful Oyo empire that was founded and ruled by a Bini Prince and his descendants.

There's no space.
Benin is directly beside it.

Oyo Empire was totally distinct from Bini Empire in virtually all ways....as a matter of fact, the powerful Oyo empire attempted taking over the Bini Empire, though it failed but continued to grow.

Have you now eaten your lie that Bini empire extended to modern day Benin Republic?

Or do you still wanna stick to your lie to feed your ego in public?

italo:


Then why was the name of the country changed from "Dahomey" to "Benin?"

"He established a hereditary succession to the throne and vastly expanded the territory of the Benin kingdom, which by the mid-16th century extended from the Niger River delta in the east to what is now Lagos in the west. (Lagos was in fact founded by a Benin army and continued to pay tribute to the oba of Benin until the end of the 19th century.)"

http://www.britannica.com/place/Benin-historical-kingdom-West-Africa

After Lagos, it is Benin Republic to the west.

You tell why, you claimed Bini empire reached present day Benin Republic....your source does not confirm that.

Dahomey was changed to Benin Republic in 1975---- about 15 years after their independence in 1960.


History tells that only the powerful Oyo empire reached the present Benin Republic and not the Bini empire.

italo:


1. Yorubas don't love their homeland. They are just cowardly and lazy. That's why they gave up their land to the British, the Binis (Lagos) and the Fulanis (Kwara) without a fight.

2. It is the Lagos State Govt that called Lagos "no man's land," not Igbos or anyone else.

1. Must they always fight? Besides, who told you they did not fight?

2. If tomorrow, the Lagos State Govt. says Lagos is an Igboland, would that be true? or does it make Lagos an Igboland?

Answer honestly if you can ever be honest.

italo:


It is not my source, it is your Yoruba Lagos Govt source trying what they can to make the story a little dignifying for Yorubas.

Stop lying. "Eko" has no meaning in Yoruba.

Lie some more...

What is the Yoruba meaning of Idumota, Idumagbo, Eletu Odibo, Obanikoro etc?

All these words are Edo words of corruption of them.

They bear witness to Lagos being a Benin colony.

Those words have roots in Bini language.

You don't need to try to turn it upside down


Who should stop lying?
Your Lagos State Govt source?

Not just your Lagos State government source;
Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

"Prior to Lagos being adopted, the settlement
was called Eko by its Kingdom of Benin
conquerors, which stems from either Oko
(Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp"."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lagos

Maybe Lagos State govt. copied Wikipedia or vice versa


If an English Man calls 'Chiedozie' (an igbo boy,) 'Chedzoy,' does that make 'Chedzoy' an English word?

italo:


Oduduwa has no meaning in Yoruba or Edo language. It is a corruption of the Bini name "Imadoduwa" which means "I did not miss the path to glory."

Oduduwa was Bini Prince Ekaladerhan Imadoduwa. He didn't fall from the sky as Yoruba lying "scholars" say.



Anyway I have always known you to revel in lies.

There are no lies here.

Prince Ekaladerhan was banished from Bini, banishment then, entails total disconnection from the region. Once a person is banished then in bini, he ceases to be a member of that community...this act is very similar to excommunication in the Roman Catholic Church.

History wise, Prince Ekaladerhan is not fit to be called a bini man...just as Martin Luther isn't fit to be regarded as a Roman Catholic Priest.

italo:

The Lagos State Govt admits that Bini Prince Ado conquered the cowardly Aworis without a shot...and you are here lying that Binis are subject to Yorubas.

You call the Aworis cowardly?

Your source says they are peace loving people, not cowards.

italo:


You obviously know nothing about the Benin Empire at the height of its powers. The Benin Empire extended from today's Edo/Delta to Benin Republic.

You think Benin Empire was only Benin City of today...because you refuse to educate yourself.

The bold is a lie.

Go back to your facts and educate yourself.

italo:

You are grossly uneducated in this matter.
The Yorubas are subjects to Binis.
Tell us the Yoruba meanings of Oduduwa and Eko...if you disagree.

No, rather the Binis are subject to the Yorubas.
Oduduwa is a contraction of the name.
Tell us the meaning of 'Oduduwa' (as it is) in Bini.

italo:


Please guys, there is no need to insult Igbos over this thread.

This thread has nothing to do with Igbos.

This thread is just to prove that no tribe can claim Lagos....and that even the Oba of Lagos who claims to own Lagos is from Benin Lineage. [s]Even "Eko" is a Benin word.[/s]

This is not just my view, but the view of Lagos State Government.

Your source says Lagos was called "Eko" by the binis....it also says the word stems from yoruba source.

"Lagos was originally called Eko, which
stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm"
or Eko (war camp)."


If an English Man calls 'Chiedozie' (an igbo boy,) 'Chedzoy,' does that make 'Chedzoy' an English word?

macjive01:


AND WHO SAID AWORIS ARE YORUBAs ?

ARE IKWERRES, IGBOS ?

From the OP:
"History has it that the Awori were actually from Ife the cradle of Yorubaland. The Awori people are a peaceful people initially not taken to warfare."

The Awori are a tribe of the Yoruba people
speaking a distinct dialect of the Yoruba
language....The Aworis are thought to be a peace-loving, accommodating and friendly clan.-- That's why most non-yorubas can live with them peacefully.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awori_tribe

Access Bank; Awesome services, great customer care. 80%

Eco Bank; Great customer care (infact, they treat me like I'm their sole customer), moderate banking services. 70%

Guarantee Trust Bank; Very good banking services but a very poor customer care service, too long queues, bureaucracy in operations etc. 40%

My Opinion.

ArchEnemy:
*modified*
We should actually not castigate her...it's because of her faith

If every individual there were allowed to dress 'according to' or 'because of' his faith, no one will be able to stay in there.

The outfit of 'some' institutions/gatherings should be respected.