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kastonkastrol:
With the kinda allocation akwa ibom is getting, if the tiny state doesn't look like dubai then akpabio is the biggest thief in Nigeria.

Anyway comparing eko with akwa ibom(that is even a glorified village) doesn't mAke any sense to me.

Tiny state, yet bigger than Lagos in landmass.

italo:
Okay, I lied. It's not the Yoruba Culture that encourages Yorubas to be promiscuous, but the Chinese culture.

Rubbish.

Rubbish!

italo:
Okay...it's the Chinese culture that encourages Yorubas to be polygamous/promiscuous in marriage.

You don't need to try to twist it.

A lie is a lie.

italo:
B

I'm half Igbo and I don't have any problem accepting that Igbos produce fake products and pirate movies more than other tribes. On drug peddling: Yorubas do it just as much.

I also know that Igbos produce more original products and movies than other tribes.

Whether it is the culture that promotes it or not is not important to me.

My point is that Yorubas are more polygamous/promiscuous in marriage than Igbos...

...and I said that to answer someone who asked why Igbo girls wait on Igbo guys.

Now, the 'culture encouraging' factor is no longer important....what's important now is statistics.

It's good you see that you're no longer alleging that the Yoruba culture promotes/encourages it.


The Yoruba culture I know, strongly discourages promiscuity before marriage and even in marriage.

obiak4:
italo on point but would like to add these it not necessary tribe it an individual thing
statistics says Yoruba are guilty of that but individual difference should also be put into considerations
#DONTSEEMEWITHATRIBALEYE #MESELFIBEHUMANBEANSOOOIII

I agree it is an individual thing though, many factors may influence such as culture, religion, association e.t.c may be part of those factors.

italo:
Why are you always denying what is true and obvious. The results are clear to see.

How many Yoruba people come from homes where their parents stay together from the day of marriage till death...and have had no other 'spouses' and no children out of wedlock?

Isn't it a normal thing to find a Yoruba woman pregnant or with a kid(s) without a proper marriage?

How many Yoruba okada riders, danfo drivers, mechanics, etc do any sort of Marriage before having kids with Biliki, Moria or Bukola?

Meanwhile, even the average poor Igbo man will do at least a proper Igba Nkwu (Trad marriage) before attempting to have children/family.

I don't need to educate you on this. Just look at the Igbo and Yoruba people around you...

Don't make me give you statistics of public figures from both tribes we can all relate with.

What is clear and obvious to see?

That the Yoruba tribe encourage promiscuity and polygamy while the Igbo tribe favour monogamy which you never stated how?


Does statistics translate to the culture/tribe itself?

Your earlier post was this.

italo:
One reason:Because the Igbo culture
favours the one man - one woman 'till
death do us part' marriage...While
some other cultures encourage
polygamy/promiscuity e.g Yoruba.

How exactly does the Yourba culture encourage polygamy/promiscuity?

italo: By the way, my posts above aren't a
condemnation of Yorubas.
Every tribe has its weaknesses and strong
points.
Monogamy is not Yorubas' strong point. Far
from it.

Polygamy exists virtually in all Nigerian tribes, besides it is more religious than cultural.

Saying the Yoruba culture encourages promiscuity/polygamy because there are many Yorubas that do such can be likened to saying that the Igbo culture encourages fraudulent and 'shady' businesses because many Igbos indulge in it....and going on to say that it's not a condemnation of Igbos.

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italo:
One reason:Because the Igbo culture favours the one man - one woman 'till death do us part' marriage...While some other cultures encourage polygamy/promiscuity e.g Yoruba.

I know that you know that this is true.

You know the bold is from your imagination...you only wish it were true.

italo:
http://www.naij.com/412154-inec-officials-party-agents-arrested-
-sokoto.html
http://www.naij.com/412616-apc-presented-thousands-of-discarded-ballots-in-akwa-ibom.html

http://dailytimes.com.ng/inec-official-arrested-for-illegally-collating-results-in-delta/

http://leadership.ng/news/421741/police-arrest-inec-official-in-taraba-over-electoral-fraud

https://www.youtube.com/embed/WLIakdsUzLs
http://www.naij.com/412127-gov-okorocha-demands-the-release-of-voters-unlawfully-detained-by-army.html
http://dailyindependentnig.com/2015/03/oshiomhole-shocked-soldiers-block-inec-officials/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCmjB8P11D0

Let me agree with you that the above practices are the true definition of free and fair election...at least in deeper life church...so that I don't have to put up with your deceit any longer.

Inasmuch as most of the reports you put up there are mere allegations, some may be valid.

Also, I believe it is not wrong for a pastor to make a positive pronouncement with optimism...unless you wanna prove otherwise.
The essence of his statement on the message was to urge Nigerians not to be scared of the elections and that their votes will count.

In a previous meeting

[quote author=.]Kumuyi said, “Sometimes people
misunderstood the power of prophecy and
there are people who will make negative
pronouncements. Pronouncements are not
necessarily prophecies. Every utterance on
Nigeria breaking up is a pronouncement made
from observations and not prophecies.

“I believe those who made those
pronouncements based on some things they
see or feel should say ‘they feel Nigeria may
break up’ and not that God said that. Because
if God could hear the voice of only Moses and
spared Israel and they still exist over 3,000
years after, then God loves Nigeria and would
not allow it to break up.[/quote]

ChokolateBoss:
Ogbeni like I told u b4, FOH. Na me u wan folo do wordplay? Someone cannot be innocent and yet culpable. Use a dictionary and check d meaning of culpable. When u're wrong, accept correctn n stop arguing pointlessly
Stop quoting me.

But someone can be a saint, yet sinner.

Thanks anyway, your frustration has been noticed.

italo:
U

NO.

From the link you provided:

Free, Fair, and Regular
As with defining electoral and representative
systems, there are no precise definitions for
regular, free, and fair elections. International
human rights conventions have established a
basic consensus, most importantly Article 21 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states that elections must be periodic, genuine, organized according to universal suffrage, and by secret ballot.

Is the video below what you understand by the bold?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFfQOelXJs&app=desktop



An election in which many INEC State Collation Officers reported rampant hijacking of ballot boxes, card readers, ballot papers, result sheets, and even election officials, substitution of INEC Officials, over-voting...

...Gov Rochas was filmed confronting the Army for locking away eligible voters in his home town, Gov Oshiomhole was seen on TV saying the Army prevented INEC Officers from going to their posts. Gov Amaechi is seen on TV reporting missing result sheets at his PU. Hundreds of thousands couldn't get their PVCs because INEC Staff connived with party agents to steal them.

Is this what the bold means?

Evidence for the bold?

ChokolateBoss:
So u're still saying someone can be innocent of an offence and still deserve to be blamed or censured for that same offence.
Ogbeni FOH. I don't like coming across ur type

For the same offence?
I can't remember saying that.
Please, show me where.

ChokolateBoss:
See how u're making urself sound stupid just because u want to win argument.
How can u say being guilty does not constitute direct wrongdoing? If u're guilty of sth, then there's direct wrongdoing involved in that thing u're guilty of.
Guilty pple are culpable of their offence. It follows logically. E.g if u're guilty of theft, then culpability follows. A culpable person is someone who deserves blame or censure. Now if someone actually deserves blame or censure, then d person cannot be innocent cos innocent pple do not deserve blame or censure.

As for ur analogy, its deeply flawed. One cannot be innocent and culpable of a crime at d same time. That's a contradiction. The eyewitness who is scared to expose the robbers will be guilty of obstruction of justice and hence culpable. He won't be guilty of armed robbery or censured for it.


Abeg I've digressed from the OP. Shouldn't be explaining this to a grown asss man sef

The bold in your statement validates my point.
The said man is innocent, yet culpable.

You seem to be in-between your words.

Besides, I'm not trying to win any argument...and if you are, I declare you winner.
Congratulations!

italo:
Let me help you.

An election in which many INEC State Collation Officers reported rampant hijacking of ballot boxes, card readers, ballot papers, result sheets, and even election officials, substitution of INEC Officials, over-voting...

...Gov Rochas was filmed confronting the Army for locking away eligible voters in his home town, Gov Oshiomhole was seen on TV saying the Army prevented INEC Officers from going to their posts. Gov Amaechi is seen on TV reporting missing result sheets at his PU. Hundreds of thousands couldn't get their PVCs because INEC Staff connived with party agents to steal them.

The definition of the above, according to you and Kumuyi is "Free and fair."

What then is an election that is not free and fair? Perhaps until a nuclear bomb is dropped on the voters.

I leave you to your conscience, if you have one.

Again:

[quote author=.]Free, Fair, and Regular
As with defining electoral and representative
systems, there are no precise definitions for
regular, free, and fair elections. International
human rights conventions have established a
basic consensus, most importantly Article 21 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states that elections must be periodic, genuine, organized according to universal suffrage, and by secret ballot.

Regular or periodic means holding elections
on a set schedule known to the electorate,
either on a specified date (the first Tuesday
of November every other year, as in the
United States) or within a particular time
frame (within five years of the previous
election, as for Parliament in the United Kingdom), thereby guaranteeing citizens the opportunity to change their leaders and to support new policies.

Free and fair, or genuine, means that elections offer equal opportunities for all
competing parties and candidates. Such
equality requires the ability of political
parties and candidates to register for office
without unreasonable requirements, balanced
access to the media for all candidates, the
absence of campaign finance abuse, and an
independent electoral process.

For democracy to work, everyone must
agree to accept the results of freely held
elections. The people and parties who have
lost power, or those who failed to gain it,
must be willing to accept defeat. If the loser
refuses to accept the winner, the election's
legitimacy is diminished and the political
system may be marked by conflict and
instability. A key test for a democracy is the
successful and peaceful transfer of power
from one party to another. Indeed, this is a
continuous test for any democracy, even
established ones, as the United States
witnessed during the 2000
presidential elections.[/quote]www.democracyweb.org/elections/principles.php

Does Kumuyi's statement conform to that?
Yes or No?

Simple question.
When you answer, we can move to your side of the election story.

ChokolateBoss:
Why are u confusing urself? How can only a guilty person be vindicated? What dictionary do u use?

Secondly, how can someone be innocent, yet culpable? Una can tire person o

First, understand that being guilty does not necessarily constitute direct wrongdoing.
A guilty person may be merely culpable.

An eyewitness to a robbery who is scared to disclose the robbers he saw is innocent, yet culpable.


How can someone be a sinner, yet saint?
Explain.

italo:
Nevermind. When Mbaka spoke you were hounding me.

Now that Kumuyi lied, you dunno the meaning of free and fair.

The Nigerian people have used their thumbs to show who is true and who is false.

So I leave you to your conscience...if you have one.

Those were simple questions, yet you refused to answer.

Several elections have been tagged 'free and fair' despite reports of disruption in few areas.

The Nigerian 1993 Presidential election is one of such.


A 'free and fair' election does not necessarily mean a 'perfect' election.


Let me help you out.


[quote author=.]Free, Fair, and Regular

As with defining electoral and representative
systems, there are no precise definitions for
regular, free, and fair elections. International human rights conventions have established a basic consensus, most importantly Article 21 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states that elections must be periodic, genuine, organized according to universal suffrage, and by secret ballot.

Regular or periodic means holding elections on a set schedule known to the electorate, either on a specified date (the first Tuesday of November every other year, as in the United States) or within a particular time frame (within five years of the previous election, as for Parliament in the United Kingdom), thereby guaranteeing citizens the opportunity to change their leaders and to support new policies.

Free and fair, or genuine, means that elections offer equal opportunities for all competing parties and candidates. Such
equality requires the ability of political parties and candidates to register for office without
unreasonable requirements, balanced access to the media for all candidates, the absence of
campaign finance abuse, and an independent
electoral process.

Universal suffrage means that there can be no
burdensome impediments to registering or voting for any citizen, with only such legitimate requirements as age or residence. The ideal is to have maximum participation in elections. To achieve this, some countries make voting a legal obligation. It should be noted that the principle of one person, one vote, is distinct from the principle of universal suffrage and applies more to political systems with direct representation. But both principles mean that no person's vote can be counted twice. A secret ballot means that no one—except for the voter—knows how each person has voted. If a voter's choice is observable
to others, voters may be subject to intimidation and reprisals by the party in power or by a party seeking power. Elections would then have no integrity.

For democracy to work, everyone must agree to accept the results of freely held elections. The people and parties who have lost power, or those who failed to gain it, must be willing to accept defeat. If the loser refuses to accept the winner, the election's legitimacy is diminished and the political system may be marked by conflict and instability. A key test for a democracy is the successful and peaceful transfer of power from one party to another. Indeed, this is a continuous test for any democracy, even established ones, as the United States witnessed during the 2000
presidential elections.[/quote]www.democracyweb.org/elections/principles.php


If the 2015 electoral process conform with the above, Kumuyi is vindicated.


I also noticed how you cunningly ignored the part Kumuyi said that the results will be widely accepted and the votes of Nigerians will count, only attacking a part you're judging by your own definition.

However, you have only tagged it in your mind as 'prophecy,' his speech did not.

italo:
Use Kumuyi's meaning of "free and fair." Was he right?

No. But it is just one of the evidences I have on the conduct of the elections.

Was the presidential election free and fair?

That should be answered by you.

You seem to know the meaning of 'free and fair' as used by Kumuyi...and that's you can give a definite answer.

What did he really mean?

italo:
By the way, your spiritual father, Kumuyi prophesied that the election would be free and fair.

Was the election free and fair? See video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFfQOelXJs&app=desktop

1. What do you mean by 'free and fair?'
2. Is that the video for the whole 2015 general elections?

italo:
That David and Jesus were guilty...since they were vindicated and according to you, "only the guilty can be vindicated."

If the above is your honest opinion, and not a result of hypocritical bias, then you're at best, deluded, and at worst, a blasphemer.

David and Jesus were innocent, hence vindicated.

David, a saint, yet sinner, hence vindicated.
Jesus, a saint, yet identified with sinners, hence vindicated.
The Corinthian Church, saints, yet sinners, hence justified.
David & Jesus, innocent, yet culpable, hence vindicated.

It's easy for a 12-year old to grab.

Sorry if that's too big for you to chew.

Perhaps, you should recheck the meaning of these simple words.

italo:
That David and Jesus were guilty...since they were vindicated and according to you, "only the guilty can be vindicated."

If the above is your honest opinion, and not a result of hypocritical bias, then you're at best, deluded, and at worst, a blasphemer.

David and Jesus were innocent, hence vindicated.

You don't need to try to mix things up.

David and Jesus were innocent, yet culpable, hence vindicated.

I believe I made myself clear without bias.

italo: So David was guilty in Psalm 26:1? Lol.

italo:
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory

Jesus Christ too was guilty abi? Lol

Sha don't let bias destroy your soul.

I believe I made my position clear without bias.

Thanks.

italo:
The bold is telling you that to vindicate is "to show that someone is not guilty", yet you are saying "only the guilty can be vindicated."

Are you deliberately refusing to outgrow these attitude...or you genuinely cannot understand such a simple thing?

The bold equally tells me that to vindicate is "to show that (someone) should not
be blamed for a crime, mistake, etc."

Besides, guilty does not only mean 'being responsible for a wrongdoing,' it also means 'culpable' or 'deserving blame for an error.'
www.thefreedictionary.com/guilty

What I said isn't out of place.
Perhaps, you need to adjust your attitude towards issues like this.

italo:
Fallacy!

Please check the meaning of "vindicate" in an English dictionary.

Congrats!

vin·di·cate
\ˈvin-də-ˌkāt\
verb
1 : to show that (someone) should not be
blamed for a crime, mistake, etc. : to show
that (someone) is not guilty
2 : to show that (someone or something that
has been criticized or doubted) is correct,
true, or reasonable

Full Definition
vin·di·cat·ed vin·di·cat·ing
transitive verb
3. obsolete : to set free : deliver : avenge
a : to free from allegation or blame
b (1) : confirm, substantiate (2) : to
provide justification or defense for : justify
c : to protect from attack or encroachment : defend : to maintain a right to

So?


What does guilt/guilty mean?

Only a guilty person can be vindicated.

Congratulations to all Nigerians.

italo:
@adsonstone, now you have my answer.

CHANGE is here, as Fr Mbaka announced 3 months ago.

Congratulations to all Nigerians.

We pray the change is a positive one that Nigeria will always remember for good.

goofyone:
Honestly thought i was the only one observing this. This is complete unprofessional journalism

Rather, it is professional.

The media should not be faster than INEC.

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gilgal7:
Before i buy a car i have to check the engine,the gear box is loading properly,durable on a long express ride...i hate outside runs when am committed...lol

Yes, but that's mostly when you're buying a used car. A brand new car bought directly from the manufacturer or a reliable retailer does not necessarily need all those.

....and that's why it is advisable for humans to stay 'brand new' as the Church recommends.