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@Donzman & Shango,

Abeg, make una helep me explain to this man, the way and manner he twists very estabilshed facts and principles amazes me.

The other time he stated that the US was not under any obligation to obey the UN security council when it was clear the US and Britain (2 out of 5 permanent members) could not get a resolution to attack Iraq.

Well, what can one do but to continue to provide information based on facts and let those of us that believe we must interprete things based on what we like and not what they should be.

We are all witnesses to the current issues making news today, how do we see them? Can many of us claim to be objective and sincere in their analysis? Why apply double standards just to prove a point no matter how bad such a point is.

The Haditha massacre

The US military has charged 4 for unpremedidated murder after knowingly killing civilians including children, men, a grand mother and women.

After a road side bomb hit a humvee the soldiers went on a killing spree and instead reported that 15 Iraqi civilians died in the roadside bomb when in fact they killed a total of 24 civilians in cold blood.

Now you wonder how Iraqis related to this people will look the soldiers in the eyes and praise them for killing thei own, in cold blood.

Religous bigotry

A US law maker is challenging the decision of a muslim (the first democractically elected representative) to use the quran in his swearing in ceremony even though many have used both the bible or the Jewish holy book in theirs.

I wonder if the muslim should use a bible for his swearing in ceremony even though he isn't a christian.

The law maker also adviced that strict immigration laws be enacted lest the US sees more elected muslims that will also demand the use of the quran.

It is funny to imagine that someone who traces his lineage to invaders that massacred innocent native and original inhabitants of the US and forcefully took their lands.

Democracy and Iran

How time flies. Today, many are reporting that opponents of the Iranian president are winning seats. That is good for democracy and Iran has been a democracy for quite some time even though the Western media would prefer not to tell the world that.

The president won a free and fair election and in fact his campaign was based on a die hard stand against the West and his people voted for him just as Hamas was overwhemingly voted into power by the Palestinians even though they all knew everything about Hamas.

My point is that we should learn to keep unnecessary sentiments at home when discussing certain issues on public fora as we may be displaying ignorance, bigotry, double standards, hypocrisy and sometimes outright lies.

I am certain (based on analysis and submissions here) that some commentators here would claim that Iran isn't practicing democracy if the president's opponents were losing just as the average political opponent will blame rigging for any losses in elections.

We should be able to display a certain reasonable level of objectivity lest we commit worse crimes than the people we may be criticing for whatever reasons.

@4 play,

It is obvious that even if the UN decides to give you a list of what it thinks amounts to UN Security Council resolutions that Israel has gone against you will still find a way of educating them on how they should interpret their own documents.

I guess this is all I have to say to you on this. I did present a link that contained many documents, categorized by years with many references to the Sec Councils resolutions on the Israeli Palestine issue. When you are less busy, take time to go through them and stop this idea of even calling black white simply because you prefer it to be white.

@David Adenuga,

At 22 years, you should have received proper home training (assuming those responsible for that played their parts well) that would make you to focus any issues you may have with anyone without refering to the person's parents or grandparents.

Focus on your free education lest you lose out both ways.

@mrpataki,

I have seen dogs like you before who will insult someone and turn the insult to joke when the insult is returned.

So, you are shamelessly stating that your insult was a joke yet you have refused to accord my own insults (as a direct response in kind) the same twisted explanations.

@Donzman,

What can one do than to continue to present information based on facts and let those that belief they have a right to insult others when they disagree with them continue to do so.

What is really disgusting about this is that those who start the insults are the first to complain about insults, what stupid hypocrisy is this?

I have never insulted anyone here unless I am replying a direct insult (even though some are now claiming that their insults are mere jokes) and I have every right to return such insults when they come.

I am at home with the fact that only those that find it difficult to make their points will resort to insults in the first place and it is a big relief to see people play out this simple fact.

@Topic,

I remember stating that Israel collects taxes on behalf of Palestine and such taxes have been withheld since Hamas came to power.

To this correct statement, our intelligent David Adenuga stated that I should stop making bogus statements that are lies.

Anyone following the news today must have heard that Israel has agreed to release taxes that were seized that rightly belonged to Palestine as some of the criminal artificial conditions have made it possible for a country to collect taxes on behalf of another even when the area concerned belongs to Palestine.

You see why I keep advicing this 22 yr old to face his studies. Anything he is not aware of automatically becomes a lie and even in the ignorance displayed insults are thown at the person making statements that don't exist in his small world.

@Nilla,

Sorry for not getting you right. I believe Genial has been able to explain better what I believe happened.

On Sharia being imposed on Nigerians, I don't see that happening since it requires a 2/3 majority unless they will do the Plateau State style where 6 members constituted a 2/3 majority.

panafrican:
shehu shagari , Buhari, Babandjida, sani Abacha, Obasanjo, etc . It Is somewhat curious all those people come from the same religious group. This is one reason why some nigerian christians want to separate.Electing a muslim is bad if a muslim has the one who has to be elected every single time or if a coup leader is always a muslim general.

Has OBJ ever been a muslim? Just asking, maybe there are a lot of things we still don't know in Nigeria.

Lasun:
@ALL
I have taken the trouble to read all your post.I have a simple question to ask you all.
What will constituite an equitable and just solution to the problem in the Middle East.

1. Let Israel withdraw to its 1967 borders even as the UN security council has been asking for over 39 years now.

2. Create a state of Palestine

3. Dismantle all militant groups in the region

4. keep the region nuclear weapons free

5. Allow these people to govern themselves without too much interference from the West

These things may not totally guarantee peace in the region but not doing them are enough catalyst for the present state of affairs in that region.

@Nilla,

I sincerely think it is not out of place to allow the VP slot to go SS, come to think of it, most of these things really do not matter, afterall we have a lot of Yorubas or SW that are not happy with OBJ even after spending 71/2 years in office. The place a president or vice comes from doesn't necessarily translate into a better life for the area.

Poverty is blind, it is the same all over Nigeria, it does not respect gender, age, religion or ethnicity.

All Nigerians are asking for is security, food, shelter and equal opportunity for all to aspire to their dreams.

I have a totally different view on the issue of Sharia, democracy is about what the majority wants and if the majority of people in Katsina wanted Sharia then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, after the US enacts laws that may not make sense to visitors or foreigners but such laws still stand.

@4 Play,

I will arrange for a thanksgiving service on Sunday.

But seriously though, I am sure that I have responded to your posts so many times on this forum without any insults just as I have responded to others with insults and in such cases I was only responding in kind.

Why would someone spend time on a discussion forum insulting people he/she may not know or may never know for that matter?

I don't come here to make friends neither do I come here to create enemies, I come here to discuss or contribute on issues that I feel like contributing to.

My views may be crazy, wrong, incorrect etc, I don't have a problem with that but when people choose to attack my person for holding views different from theirs I am left with no other option to reply in kind and thus far it has been working like magic and I don't intend to stop that wonderful tactics.

On the topic proper, Yar'adua may not be the best from the North depending on so many criteria but if he could maintain a budget surplus of over N6B when other governors are busy embezzling state funds and made his assets declaration in 1999 and 2003 public even when the law stipulates they declare them, not make them public, I think in terms of corruption he is better than most of his peers in power today.

Do have a great day.

@David Adenuga,

Do you know the meaning of internet?

It is not about numbers, 5 or even 30 people may choose to insult anyone, it is not impossible, the issue is the why not when?

As long as you can count just about 5 people out of many that agree or disagree with me on this forum then common sense should have told you that something must be wrong somewhere. Why just 5? Why not everyone that disagrees?

Well, my lack of intelligence will continue to make me use a name that was advertised on the internet.

@4 Play,

I think u have deep personal issues u have to deal with and the sooner u realise that the better.

Thanks for the advice but I guess the disease is a direct consequence of people like you that tell unnecessary lies, insult others and later deny them, twisting very clear issues and yet keep asking for backup. Thanks anyway but personal issues should remain personal whereas spreading lies on a public forum is something that should be frowned at, don't you think so?

I should inform the users what you said that made me to call you a scum and a criminal? Are you really serious about that?

As long as there are other people here that I hardly ever agree with that I have not insulted as a way of reply then what you are trying to paint here is pure nonsense because there are a lot of issues begging for attention on this forum for me to waste my time insulting anyone unless I am only responding in kind which by the way I have every right to do so.

I am not surprised at your interpretation of the UN security council resolution that I reproduced.

Here is someone that claimed that Israel is currently not in violation of any UN security council resolution trying to use some hundreds of words to explain a clear resolution that Israel has been flouting since it was passed.

What prepares a man for disgrace is the tendency to appear perfect and incapable of making mistakes. This may also explain why some of you resort to insults when certain positions are challenged and facts presented to make issues clearer.

I need not bother with trying to produce more than one as you are only contradicting yourself, see the quote below

U failed to point out the innumerable Security Council Resolutions which u say that Isreal is flouting.If Isreal is flouting many such Resolutions surely u can find more than one example.

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@Nilla,

I believe the perculiar environment we find ourselves is responsible for politics of appeasement or attempting to remedy certain perceived or real injustices of the past.

In other words, for Nigeria to move forward, concessions must be made, feelings must be assuaged, honest attempts at making things better must be pursued.

More importantly, ceding the presidency to the North and VP to the South South seems a good omen at the end of the day as it help reduce the tension in the land.

I think the records set by Yar'adua in Katsina is enough to support him rather than support the likes of Duke or Odili who could not stick to what they believed in to begin with.

If they were persuaded to drop their ambitions and they did so without contesting then they are not fit to rule this country.

Nigeria requires a strong leadership, not the type that is dictated by what OBJ wants or what he doesn't want.

If Duke really wanted to serve this country then he should have decamped to another party just like Pedro did in Lagos.

Spending a lot of money moving from one part of the country to the other and at the end of the day you are not even one of those contesting seems like a lot of wasted funds and unseriousness on the part of the likes of Duke and Odili.

mrpataki:
@ Afam,
where you beaten by a mad viper of recent? Because all i can get from your writeup is a language of vituperations showing your arrogance and madness to the great stupidity of your posts, and as well in ensuring everyone is enslaved along your insane line of foolishness.

If you think you know it all, you are hereby awarded Nairaland's greatest idiot of the Year for 2006!

Haba, it seems I was correct in labelling you "the other pig", you are really smart to have married the two. Keep fooling around and keep thinking with your left hand instead of using your brain.

Who cares about what the BBC says when all they see is muslim or christain.

A governor emerged as the presidential flag bearer of a party and all they could do is attach muslim to his name.

Yet, they don't do the same when addressing christains that are leaders, sheer hypocrisy and religous bigotry.

Nigeria is a country made up of people from different cultural, ethnic and religious backgrounds so these foreign media should stop trying to create unnecessary impressions that Nigeria may be falling into the hands of muslims which they ignorantly associate with terrorism today.

@4Play,

I called you a scum and a criminal but you have failed to inform the readers what you called me before calling you such.

I will never deny what I state but it makes me sick to read from people that will abuse others and when they are abused in return they start shedding crocodile tears.

I respond to people in kind and it is obvious that there are people here that I hardly ever agree with yet not a single insult has been traded while disagreeing.


@Chidichris,

I do not know what Soyinka has to do with your incoherent posts that are usually ignored, you may end up pushing interesting posts to the next pages with yours that don't make sense and that is my point.

@David Adenuga,

Anger? I am not so full of anger, I am only responding in kind to people like you that insult others simply because you cannot stand opinions that are not original to you or opinions that you do not sanction.

The level of hypocrisy being played out by your likes is really high and it is in your own best interest to check yourself.

Focus on issues, I will do same, choose to insult me because I disagree with you, I will reply in kind, there is no mistake about it.

@the other pig,

are all you deserve, silly.

Ynot:
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~ Plato

Very so true. If I may add to the last part: The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the truth.

@Ibkn & My2cents,

Thanks a lot for the responses.

Direct access to bank accounts may be desirable but it is the most risky because another that happens to access your bank account can effectively ruin the account holder.

Providing a layer on top of the bank account will suffice since it is more secure. That way, users can easily open an account strictly for online transactions in their own names and only transfer funds to that account when they need to make online purchases.

Remember, online transaction is all about security and convenience and when the chips are down security will rule.

Another problem with direct bank account transactions is that a criminal working in the bank could do a whole lot of things and the search light will be focused on every single entity with access to the database, not something one would want to get involved in with the level of awareness and/or seriousness the banks place on internet security or IT security losely speaking.

Thanks once again for the comments, I really do appreciate them.

You need to be more specific.

Who owns the audio/video? Who owns the webpage?

@Mrpataki,

For the simple fact that not a single suicide attack ever took place in Iraq before the illegal invasion of that country and today it is a haven for recruitment of suicide bombers goes to show that the illegal invasion was a complete disaster. And yes, a lot of people are opposed to the illegal invasion including some Americans and the last mid term elections still proved that many are not happy with it because it has increased the level of insecurity the world over.

In the interim, under the Taliban, the sale of opium reduced from Afghanistan but today we are seeing increase in sales.

Seun:
Selling pure water is ok. What does Dangote sell? Mere sugar! It's all about dedication and scale.

Turning violent is not ok. Criminals will always find something to blame their actions on.

Selling pure water is a legitimate business. Turning violent is criminal. Don't talk as if they are basically the same.

You cannot compare Dangote with the pure water seller on the street, can you?

On the issue of violence, while I agree that criminals will always find something to blame their actions on, it is equally important that you realize that circumstances, opportunities or outright deprivations may act as catalysts in turning people into criminals.

I don't know where you got the following from as I cannot remember comparing the two let alone even remotely implying that they are the same. You may read my post again to be sure.

Don't talk as if they are basically the same.

@OdBr,

I share your sentiments on Nigeria's foreign policies as regards whether we have a solid structure in place that takes time to formulate them.

I still prefer the present positions that Nigeria as a country has taken on some issues anyway in the international stage, from opposing the US led invasion of Iraq to maintaining peace in the continent and the peaceful resolution of the Bakkasi wahala.

I guess things naturally favour us in this country, the only problem being lack of purposeful leadership.

On a lighter note, I believe the best brains we have may be selling pure water on the streets or turning to violence due to a systematic deprivation that face them through no fault of theirs.

@Easyy,

That has been the way I perceive people like this, as long as you agree with their positions whether such positions are right or wrong then you are a good person.

I guess in most cases, they are just victims of their environments, where everything they say becomes law, where they are not used to hearing things not expressly sanctioned by them.

And the moment you are able to present information that is clear, unambiguous and factual, they find it difficult to swallow the fact that they have been wrong and the next thing is to resort to insults and abuses.

The simple question is this - why resort to insults when you have enough information to counter the other person's position? Only a weakling and an insecure being will resort to insults the moment he or she begins to find it difficult to make his or her positions known.

And tomorrow we wonder why Nigeria is in a state of mess, with people finding it difficult to accept responsibility of what they know and what they don't know.

I once stated that I didn't know the meaning of some acronyms here and I was surprised at the number of people that responded as if it was a crime not to know something.

However, what they fail to understand is that it is 100% better for one not to know something and admit it than for one to claim to know what he/she does not know and yet ignorantly prepare to defend the indefensible.

The price to pay for allowing these people bulldoze their way with incorrect or tribal, ethnic or religuous sentiments is too high that I have chosen to respond to such lies and misinformation while being ready to respond to posts in kind.

Posts devoid of insults will be responded to in kind and posts full of insults will equally be responded to in kind.

Enjoy.

@Havila,

Finally, a failed attempt to face the issues.

However, such open ended statements that are neither here nor there can't help your arguement.

Why must I agree with references that are not factual simply because it makes an idiot like you happy?

Just because you think something is right certainly doesn't make it right, I hope you can understand this.

If over 90% here choose to believe that OBJ is a woman, that doesn't make it a fact neither does it represent the true position.

If people like you are so sure of your positions, why resort to abusing the people you disagree with? I guess that is a sign of weakness on your part and you are clearly showing it.

@Havila,

All the personal issues belong to the trash can where they rightfully belong.

I do not abuse or insult anyone that disagrees with me, at least that is a fact that is easily verifiable even on this forum.

I respond in kind to insults from silly things like you who imagine that by insulting people simply because you disagree they will withdraw.

Each time I insult anyone here, it is based on a response in kind and I owe no one any apology for that, let alone a dog like you.

Shift you likeness to any loved ones you may have as I don't have time for bloody liars and idiots in my life.

And in your warped sense of reasoning, my positions are rumours, well, at least I do take to certain positions, far better than someone whose position is to attack people rather than the issues raised.

Havila:
@All,
Take a look at the quoted statement above: can anybody beat this?. I am sure we have P.R.Os worse than the late Wada Nas among Nigerian youths should in case we have a new dictator needing one. This is very 'objectively' embarrasing.
Israel / Lebanese war? Hezbollah "fought back"? "Defence put up" by Hezbollah? Are you living on this planet earth or living in Pluto and watching reports on Al-jazeerah Pluto TV?

I neither live on planet Pluto nor watch Al Jazeera.

Your mindset based on religious bigotry will continue to blind you.

What intellegent people do when they come across statements they disagree with with is provide information that supports their positions, not attacking the personality of the person they disagree with.

One thing you may fail to understand is that the more you focus on personality rather than the issues raised is the more you will continue to expose your ignorance or complete lack of understanding of the issues being discussed.

Those who find it supremely difficult to make their points on issues are usually the first to attack personality instead of issues and it is not totally surprising coming from someone that cannot finish a single post without focusing on the person rather than the post.

Again, the statements or phrases you highlighted are mine, can we have yours? Or, are your thoughts limited to attacking personalities?

No matter how many times you address everyone using @All on this forum, it will not stop the users of this forum to independently make up their minds based on facts, logic and common sense. You don't help people make up their minds, your job is to provide information and allow people to decide what makes sense to them and what doesn't.

Your tactics of diverting the issue to personalities will not work, only egg heads seek that route when they cannot contribute intelligently.

@4 Play,

At your liesure, you may visit the following site - http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions.html

In the meantime, I have reproduced a Security Coucil Resolution that Israel has been flouting since it was passed. There are indeed many of them, not to mention the near constant vetoing of similar resolutions by the US.

4 Play:
@AfamOnly UN Security Council Resolutions are legally binding and Isreal is not curently in breach of any Security Council Resolution .

Source: http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/21974.htm
[b]UN Security Council Resolution 242

November 22, 1967

The Security Council,

Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,

1. Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:
(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force; [/b]

4 Play:
@Afam

Hezbollah is not defending Lebanon.It provokes Isreal into launching attacks on Lebanon and then claims to be defending Lebanon against such attacks.because of Hezbollah "defending" Lebanon,1000 Lebanese died in the recent conflict.

The over 1000 Lebanese that died were not killed by Hezbollah but by the Israelis and I believe that's a fact.

In this regard, who do you think the average Lebanese that lost someone in the war would support? The Hezbollah or Israel?

@Topic,

If we take into consideration the record set by the governor of Katsina in recording a budget surplus of N6B in his state (whereas other states keep playing around with budget deficeits) and the fact that Jonathan did some meaningful work in Bayelsa after Alami (the Ijaw Governor General who champiomed the course of the Ijaws on one hand while siphoning his people's wealth to foreign bank accounts on the other) was removed then it may be a good omen.

In a country when corruption is too common and often taken for granted, I think choosing people that are not too reckless with public funds may not be totally out of place.

The PDP primaries went well, there was no single complain from any of the other aspirants, which is good. Some say the governors were forced to step down, if that was the case and they obeyed (assuming, against their wish) then it means we are better off without them if they cannot stand by what they believe in based on principles.

It seems Yara'dua will certainly become the next president because we do not have any opposition in Nigeria, what we have is a collection of former big men in PDP that lost out of the power play and a few non PDP members that cannot really do much in reality.

How many of us writing here have even registered let alone will be voting on the election day?

Or, are we going to speak all the grammar only to let the hired thugs, corrupt INEC officials and "money for hand, vote for ballot people" decide what happens on the election day?

Until we are ready to die for what we believe in, nothing will change because the ruling class understands the mindset of the average Nigerian - always ready to talk and never willing to take action.

@4 Play,

I am happy that you are against Abbas's call for new elections, at least we are getting somewhere and I hope others do not see your position as support for Hamas as is usually the case on this forum when peeople read about views they don't like.

I never stated all Sunni, Shias and Chriatians came together, the simple fact that some non Shias especially Christains and Sunnis are in support of the Hezbollah led opposition goes to show that this call is neither ethnic, religious because it cuts across religious divide. No one can dispute that Iran and Syria support Hezbollah but when some Christains and Sunnis join them is it still correct to hold the view that the intention of all muslims is to wipe out non muslims?

The point here is to show that in reality things are not as simplistic as politicians tend to make them to be.

On the 3rd point, my position is that both the government and the opposition have the support of foriegn nations and it is important it is stated clearly because on the contrary all we hear is Iran and Syria backing Hezbollah as if the Western backed government does not get its support from Western nations not even nations in the sub region or region as a whole.

On your last response, yes, I believe militants groups should arm themselves if the government cannot defend the intergrity of the nation while countries use full military might to attack the nation.

A typical example is the last Israeli/Lebanese war that saw a Lebanese government handicapped while Hezbollah fought back and you will agree with me that the defence put up by Hezbollah is responsible for the current quest to change the status quo in the Lebanese cabinet.

@Havila,

I have seen empty barrels like you before who turn issues to personalities when facts are presented.

Unfortunately, you are dealing with the wrong person. Yes, it made perfect sense to respond to the different posts under a single reply, it is common sense. Maybe in your wisdom I should have responded individually to the insults by the members of your gang, silly thing.

You have failed to support or oppose a position based on facts or simple logic, calling me Mr Objective won't add or remove anything from me, it may only make you fill fulfilled as it may be important to you.


@Chidichris,

On believing in a course or dying for it, I have not yet died because not only do I pursue courses that makes sense to me, I attain them and even set newer ones which I know I will still attain.

No, I do not survive by insulting people, (at least I have never insulted you on this forum) even though that is about to change now after reading through some of your insults.

Did you not read where I stated that being a christain is not the same thing as blindly supporting Israel in killing innocent people?

However, if that is what christianity amounts to in your religion I beg to differ, it is not the same christianity that I am talking about. Afterall even idol worshippers get away with calling themselves christains these days so you are at liberty to even label yourself anything.

Your definition of who a christain is smacks of shameless bigotry which I will never consider.

You see, if you really had any sense of reality, you would have noticed that there is usually a disconnect between the rate at which you start new posts and the rate at which such posts are responded to, many of them are simply ignored and it wouldn't take a mgician to know why.

On the Politics main page alone, you have started over 5 posts with number of replies ranging from 0 - 1 apart from this particular thread.

You may go through those ignored posts of yours and see what you may be doing wrong and more importantly how you could improve on your communication skills as you are dangerously deficient in this area. This is a discussion forum, not a beer parlour in your village.

This very post (which happens to be a surprise in terms of the number of replies) got lucky because I contributed and some of you that are incapable as seeing things the way they are resorted to insults which you never noticed but as thoroughly biased and empty as you are you were quick to point out my replies, in kind.


@4 Play,

Make no mistake,Palestine is not the only place that is victim to a land dispute.Does anyone remember Tibet in China.When was the last time u heard about a suicide bombing by Tibetans .

The Palestinians are living with the consequences of their failed attempt at a second holocaust of the Jews in 1948.

For a people who have suddenly discovered an attraction to observing UN Resolutions,they should have observed the League of Nations Mandate passed on July 24 1922 or UN Resolution 181 of 1947.

Had they done that they would not be in the present mess.Instead they thought they could use military might,having woefully failed in that they are soliciting pity.Well it is too late.They like every human being on earth have to live with the consequences of the choices that they make in life.

That other people choose not to fight for their lands is not an excuse to deprive the Palestinians of their rights to fight for theirs.

Could you please educate me on the failed attempt at a second holocaust of the Jews in 1948? A lot of references have been coming up by you on this significant date even though the attempt at holocaust has never been associated with what happened in 1948.

On the issue of UN resolutions, I would rather you didn't mention the 2 because in terms of numbers Israel has gone against UN resolutions more than the Palestinians, so this will rather undermine your position on Israel than help it.

4 Play:
Also the parrallels u drew to places like Georgia are irrelevant.In Georgia for instance,there was an attempt to overthrow a Govt led by Shervadnaze,who had been in power since 1995 and attempted to rig the elections in 2003 to extend his stay in power.In Lebanon, u have a democratically elected Govt which has been in power only since last year.

So, the lenght of time a government has been in power should be a major factor in determining the correctness or otherwise for a call for change in governmnet. Hope you will remember to apply this same interesting principle in Palestine as Abbas is calling for an early election even though the Hamas led government is less than a year old in government.

4 Play:
U seem to imply that the Lebanese Govt is a foreign lackey whereas the Hezbollah led oppostion somehow is a voice of the masses.What nonsense.

When Shias, Sunnis and Christains agree that the Western backed government should go I wonder the type of conclusion one can derive from such a position that cuts across religous and ethnic divide.

4 Play:
The opponents of the Govt are just as beholden to foreign nations(Iran and Syria) as the Govt. The anti Govt demonstrations were partly prompted by the Govt's support for investigations into Syria's involvement in Hariri's murder and by a strange coincidence those protesting against the Govt are part of a pro-Syria coaltion.

You are losing me here, you know the nations supporting the opponents of the Lebanese government but don't know the nations supporting it, that's strange unless you are being very far from truthful here. This statement should be seen in light of the quote before the last.

4 Play:
Also Hezbollah cannot function in a democratic setting if they continue to remain an armed force.This is incompatible with democratic principles.Before the recent conflict with Isreal ,no one could venture into Hezbolah controlled South Lebanon to campaign politically unless they were members of Hezbollah.Shia critics regularly complain of intimidation by Hezbolah militia men.No other party in Lebanon still maintains armed militias.

No party should participate in a democracy with campaign leaflets in one hand and an AK-47 in the other

As long as state sponsored terrorism faces the same criticims, I am in agreement with the position above.

@adconline,

Thanks for the kind words.

I believe the world will be a better place when people realize that they cannot get away with anything they do.

I come from the school of thought that holds the olive branch with the right hand and a gun with the left while allowing people I deal with decide how we interact.

There must be disagreements but in disagreeing with one another there should be mutual and unconditional respect for all the parties involved.

It may also interest those that think the best way to put their points across is to insult or abuse others that those that advocate for peace all the time may actually be the most prepared for war.

I hope this forum gets back to what it used to be where people let common sense, logic, facts guide any form of disagreements.

I also agree that the PDP will produce the next president of Nigeria because we do not have any opposition party in Nigeria today.

What we find is a collection of former PDP chieftains that lost out of the power game and turned into defenders of the masses overnight and a few non PDP members that do not command enough followership to really disturb the PDP.

davidylan:
Take your advice and use it yourself. I never "boast" about achievements until arrogant but unintelligent people come trying to prove they are intellectually superior especially by using insults!

In otherwords, you are boasting about your achievements but only giving reasons for boasting about them, still doesn't look good.

Complaining about insults seems plain hypocrisy because the facts on this forum shows that you started the insults but obviously became surprised or humbled by the responses in kind.

Make no mistake about it, it is not everyone you will run your mouth like a ruptured tap on that will tolerate you, some like me will pay you back in kind and in full too.

Empty barrels they say makes the most noise, you still have a lot of years before you hopefully and the time is now for you to shape your future, you may choose to remain a lying hypocrite or you may choose to discuss or argue with people without resorting to insults based on differences in opinions canvassed.

TayoD:
@Easyy & Afam,
I wonder who gave you that information. Please try not to misinform the public. It does not speak well of you. Double standard is declaring belief in the freedom of expression but suppressing the opinion of those who may go in a direction you are uncomfortable with.

I think you need the advice you are freely giving out. Double standard is not what you interprete it to be.

Junk journalism is on the rise in Nigeria with the press churning out whatever nonsense it wants and selling same to the unsuspecting public.

PDP cleared 20 out of 29 presidential aspirants while 1 withdrew after being cleared yet we have the media smiling to the bank after selling outright lies to the public all in the name of news.

Even, women were already demonstrating at the PDP headquarters that no single woman was cleared out of the 6 when a female presidential aspirant came out with her clearance certificate and showed it to the women and stated that she will never believe the papers anymore.

Just like our bankers, the journalists are ever ready to practice arm chair journalism.