₦airaland Forum

Easyy:
You would do well to come out with American impressions of Nigeria and let's see what it is, abd how many Americans who have opinions about Nigerians have ever met as many as 5 Nigerians, let alone lived in Nigeria.

I am not saying the opinions expressed here are correct, neither am I saying they are wrong. I am saying that people have a right to express opinions, right or wrong. Americans are probably the worst at doing this because they form all their opinions based on whatever ABC editors and other media editors decide to feed them.

Exactly. Unless we are being told that the Americans have the right to form opinions about Nigerians and Nigerians don't have any rights to form opinions about them.

It's the same double standards and hypocrisy that is causing problems in the world today, same law or priciple is interpreted differently depending on who the law or principle is being applied to.

The total debt of the US some 2/3 years ago was well over 7 trillion dollars.

Are they interested in paying? I don't think so just as they are getting free oil outside of the US because all they need do is print more dollars for your oil.

Part of Saddam's wahala started when he threatened to trade Iraqi oil in a non dollar denominated curreny.

Today, the US is concerned about China and I couldn't believe my ears when someone said that China could destabilize the world economy if it decided to trade in any currency other than the dollar.

Why is the US so concerned?

On the issue of Nigeria's foreign policies, it is actually more to please the Western powers than the international community but by not being like Britain it has attracted a decent level of respect, at least OBJ opposed the illegal invasion of Iraq, a move that prompted the US embassy to close its doors for some days and withdrew the so called military assistance it cliamed it was rendering to Nigeria.

The US and even Britain do survive on the sweats and bloods of people outside the US and Britain.

That is why it goes against any country that refuses to take orders from the White House but partners with even known dictators and military heads of states.

davidylan:


@ Afam

Once again you took the bait and showed how impossible it is to disagree with you without your barring your fangs of brainless insults. Have fun knocking your head on the wall. Sorry if you feel jealous that i'm doing a doctorate at 22, you should have studied when u were supposed to. It's amazing how many miscreants hide behind the screen pretending to be who they are not. I just heard about one this weekend, so funny!

@David,

On the contrary, I welcome disagreements very well and I respond to them accordingly.

I also welcome insults and when they come I reply in kind, I guess this is fair enough.

I hope you understand that there is a huge difference between insulting someone and disagreeing with someone.

On your academic achievements thus far, I will leave you with one advice, never boast to anyone about what you are because you may be talking to someone you may never be able to come close to his/her own achievements in life.

@Havila,

I can see the objectivity in your posts so clearly that I am almost going blind.

By the way I am a practicing christain, not a pretender neither am I a religious bigot who preach hatred under the guise of supporting Israel blindly.

On the president of Iran, I still repeat that he is the most intelligent president I have seen on TV granting interviews, answering questions whether technical, religous or political.


@TayoD,

You have been so so wrong on so many issues on this forum, sometimes, when you are presented with overwhelming facts, you abandon the thread and wait for Afam to write something you will hold one to.

By the way, the meanings you attributed to specific portions of my write up are yours and you have the right to interprete anything the way you like. But again you have still introduced incorrect statements and conclusions which isn't new by the way.

@David Adenuga & Mariory,

I guess I have given you people a reason to post more than one or two lines on a thread here.


@Chidichris,

That Arafat was corrupt did not take away his position while alive. Infact, the Hamas won a free and fair election in Palestine mainly because the people of palestine saw in the PLO a corrupt government while Hamas got involved in community projects, even sponsoring weddings for people who needed to marry but couldn't afford to finance their weddings.

Did Hamas shoot their way to power? No. They were elected by the people of Palestine, isn't that what democracy is all about?

My dear, I have a lot of muslim friends and my head is still intact. I still play football and sometimes I am asked to pray before we play match even though over 80% of them are muslims and they actually join in sharing the Grace and the Lord's prayer.

You tend to forget that when people are deprived of their dignity that there's no limit to what they can do to fight back including killing themselves in what they believed in.

Personally, I will rather die fighting for what I believe in that swallow a whole lot of rubbish all in the name of trying to stay alive. Sometimes, you are better off dead than alive.

On interests, yes I agree that many fight even though its never clear what their real motives are. Have you not heard that old men take decisions to go to wars while young men are sent out to do the actual fighting.

Have you wondered why propsperous arab nations like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE are not in the forefront of jihad? When the average person is not being stripped of his dignity then such a person can easily try to survive without feeling humiliated or deprived.


@Donzman,

Trying to explain anything to David is like pouring water on a rock and expecting it to melt. The 22 yr old is still enjoying scholarship so still sees everything in 2 dimensions.

When we see a bad referee officiating a match we console ourselves with the fact that the referee can not possibly do more than what he knows, so there is a limit to what one can understand.

@Chief,

Thanks for the link but a quick glance produced some issues.

1. the pages are not consistent, you may actually believe you've left the site even when you are still there.

2. the following page has over 400kb of data and the pictures are just forced to fit a particular dimension instead of compressing and resizing them properly http://www.oauife.edu.ng/faculties/tech/che/Students'%20Gallery.htm.

3. this page won't open, don't know why - http://www.oauife.edu.ng/faculties/tech/che/COURSES.htm

Just visited 3 pages and the points listed above came up and I felt you should know about them.

Can you really do a site like that for me for N35,000.00?

@Chidichris & Zexyworm,

The problem with discussing these issues with the seriousness and objectivity they require is that many are often blinded by certain mindsets and hidden hate filled ideologies that is usually masked by pretending to be christains while supporting oppression, injustices, killing of innocent people etc.

Even some Americans attended the conference, the spiritual leader of the KKK and other non islamic people.

Sunnis and christains formed an alliance in the days of Saddam, today Sunnis and Christains are doing the same in Lebanon where they have indeed sided with the Hezbollah to democratically overthrow the government of Lebanon that is backed by the West.

Christains live in Iraq, Christains live in Lebanon, Christains live in Palestine, Muslims live in Israel.

So, who is fighting who? Who hates who? These are questions that one must honestly answer before engaging in discussions like these but unfortunately, simplistic opinions like all muslims are terrorists, the arabs does not want Israel to exist etc are being conveniently canvassed by the ill informed.

The president of Iran is one of the most intelligent presidents I have heard or seen on TV discussing issues whether technical, religious or political with real confidence and without seeking help from his aides before answering questions.

Even though the call for the destruction of the state of Israel is an improper statement since it means the destruction of everyone in Israel today. I do not believe in the death of any innocent person regardless of the person's race.

Israel has been going against UN's resolutions since time immemorial, the UN has consistently vetoed sanctions or resolutions that comes up at the UN when such resolutions do not favour Israel.

The world needs to focus on the real issues and find a lasting solution to the middle east problem, funny enough many Western nations do not want to tackle the problem head on even though they know where the problem lies.

If the late Arafat (the symbol of the Palestinian struggle when he was alive) could marry a christain and still allowed her to baptize their child in the church, allowed her to still attend mass, hung pictures of Jesus Christ in his home, one begins to wonder if their is any truth in the often cited hatred of the muslims against the non muslims or if certain powers are bent on creating this divide so that their selfish aims and objectives will be met.

Ultimately, we can never have peace unless their is justice and speaking of justice, in the middle east today there are a lot of injustices metted out against the poeple of Palestine and until these issues are addressed, nothing concrete will come out of any arrangements to force people to be peaceful.

NB: The word christain is used loosely to mean both the Jews and Christains.

Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true. Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice. Justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

So, is IBB going to support Yaradua or Gasau since he claimed to have promised the 2 his support?

Or, am I missing something here, promising 2 people of his support even on the same target seems improper or cunning to me.

firestar:
Well said Afam.
The concept is simply brilliant! Only one question though,
What can be said on Nigeria's foreign policy?

Well, I am neither a politician nor a government worker so will always state my position based on what I see and believe which may not be entirely correct.

In my views our foreign policies are many but I believe the present government has been consistent even though such consistentcies are not to the benefit of the common man in Nigeria which is a shame.

It seems the government is interested in pleasing the international community while relegating to the background the needs of the common man.

All in all, in the international arena, I believe Nigeria has been a responsible nation that has used its position well when compared with the US.

I wish Nigeria will focus on making life better for the majority of its citizens just like countries like China, Venezuela are doing.

Again, these are views of an ordinary Nigerian living in Nigeria and should be treated as such.

@My2cents,

If the site is specifically for Africans then the search criteria (drop down menu) should not have countries outside Africa.

What do you think?

Mariory:
Are you kidding? Adolf Hitler was democratically elected? Oh dear God, history has been turned upside down. I think you'll find Hitler was appointed. i'm done with this thread. To carry on would be to repeat myself.

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@Mariory
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_{Are you kidding? Adolf Hitler was democratically elected? Oh dear God, history has been turned upside down. I think you'll find Hitler was appointed. i'm done with this thread. To carry on would be to repeat myself.}

The executive committee of the DAP eventually backed down and Hitler's demands were put to a vote of party members. Hitler received 543 votes for and only one against. At the next gathering on July 29, 1921, Adolf Hitler was introduced as Führer of the National Socialist Party, marking the first time this title was publicly used. Hitler changed the name of the party to the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Hitler.27s_entry_into_politics

Ordinarily, the second quote clearly answered the first concern but on NL words like elections, democracy, rule of law all have different meanings depending on who is being discussed or it is sometimes fashionable to agree that something happened only if it fits the expectation of another entity.

Easyy:
Afam,

RESPECT bro

@Easyy,

Thanks and take good care of yourself.

We shall continue to spread information based on truth, facts and devoid of unnecessary bias, sentiments and sometimes outright lies.

Enjoy.

@Kaecy5,

Well done. I believe in facts because facts don't change and they don't lie.

I guess the number of contradictions and double standards clearly shown is so high that is has made it difficult for those that attack anyone that does not blindly sing the praises of the US to defend them or label correct issues as mere political correctness.

@David Adenuga,

I may be ignorant but I am not as daft as you are.

The issue here is not about Afam but since you have been unable to sell your lies and hate filled idealogies I guess you are hurt.

By the way, I have learnt to tolerate the views of a 22 yr old that is enjoying scholarship and may have been taking positions on issues that will not make the host country (US) send him out of the States and straight to Ogun State via Lagos, totally understandable.

When you are done with your education, you may have matured to an extent where you can fit well into reasonable discussions.

For now, face your studies and hope for the best in your life because your current style will only lead you to total destruction in the near future.

Meanwhile, if level headed folks like you have quit arguing (in reality you find it difficult to argue intelligently though), then I wonder why you don't just relax and read through the posts of those you think you are better than.

On insults, that was your trade mark until I started responding in kind to your childish insults when you come across opinions that don't fit into your warped sense of reasoning. Those who advocate for peace may actually be the ones that are the most ready for war, think about this.

One more thing, no one on this forum is capable of forcing his/her views or opinions on others. The best one can do is either show to the world how ignorant, stupid, knowledgeable, organised etc one is and in this regard you have shown the world more than enough for people to know how your brain works.

Lifted the following post from a discussion forum.

Enjoy the comedy, even though it basically replicates what we have in reality.

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Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A. Because they had weapons of mass destruction, honey.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons to fight us back with?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons.We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a Legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an Illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men? Fifteen of them Saudi Arabians? hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets ? I mean, the Russians ? are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Good night, Daddy.

Donzman:
Remove Soyinka and Achebe from that list, they've lived in Nigeria for a significant amount of their adult lives. Emegwali? What has this guy contributed to Nigeria?

Excellent question and we earnestly await answers.

@Olorididan,

USING THE TWO WEAKEST AND MOST EXPENDABLE PEOPLES IN THE MIDDLE EAST

THE PALESTINIANS AND THE LEBANESE !

The Palestines and Lebanese are not the weakest and most expendable people in the middle east, they are only reacting to real and/or perceived injustices being metted out to them.

We should praise Hezbollah for wanting to overthrow the western backed government using democractic means by not taking to violence to do so.

Even Christains have sided the hezbollah in this regard (as reported on CNN, I saw some of the christain leaders saying they stand by the Hezbollah on this) because they all want a government that will protect the interest of the people of Lebanon and not a government that protects the interest of the West that backs it.

Every nation should try to have leaders that will protect their interests not the interest of foreigners and outside powers.

Again, in any free and fair election, the majority should have their way while the minority their say, abi that is democracy for you.

By the time the dust is settled in the Middle East, the US that is trying to spread democracy will realise that probably only Kuwait will be the only country in the Middle East that will be friendly to it as Saudi Arabia (its most important "friend" under any democracy will not want to deal with them.

The Saudi Ambassador to the States just resigned and the Saudis have threatened to back the Sunnis in the Iraq war.

Interesting scenarios continue to unfold as the world tries to come to terms with the results of ill motivated and illegal invasion of Iraq.

So, on Hezbollah, people should appreciate their using democractic and civil means to bring down a government, afterall the world supported Georgia and similar demonstrations that toppled governments without any bloodshed.

Maybe its time for the US to understand that it cannot export its way of life to other nations as the results may be totally unexpected and against its overall objectives.

4 Play:
Nigerians abroad contribute in capital repatriation and when they return they contribute intellectual capital.

Certainly not all Nigerians abroad qualify to be associated with any form of intellectual capital, that is for sure.

Many are infact intellectual liabilities to the nation.

I believe you are dangerously unintelligent and incapable of reasoning like a human being.

It is really a shame that your level of understanding is this low.

Maybe I need to use your native language to communicate when addressing you.

On Dec 4, I posted a reply telling you that I do not arrive at conclusions the way you do.

On Dec 7, I went a step further to tell you why I stated what I stated on Dec 4.

The first was a statement in response to your twisting issues.

The second was about the why.

I can boldly state that I am hardly ever wrong in positions that I take because I only discuss issues I understand, I own up to things I don't know without thinking twice and I do not allow unnecessary sentiments or emotions becloud my sense of reasoning.

Till the day you die, you can never associate these simple qualities with yourself because you are just a pig and lying thing.

Hmmm,

US will not go into Sudan because it lacks the will to do so and Sudan is not important in its scheme of things.

Why did the US lead a coalition of the willing when Iraq invaded Kuwait?

Did Iraq break any law by invading Kuwait?

If you are able to answer the 2 questions above sincerely, then you will be closer to admitting the obvious.

As to your comments on obligation versus law I need to remind you that the constitution of Iraq supercede laws like the war crimes or violation of human rights that some countries have come up with and are trying to impose on other sovereign nations.

As a matter of fact, Saddam was sentenced to death for signing the execution order after some people were tried via the Iraqi courts and sentenced to death just as the present president of US has been signing execution orders and in fact kept doing so while the governor of Texas.

It seems we are ready to turn logic on its head just to make a very clear issue appear complex.

You may want to tune to some of the news channels right now in the USA as Koffi Annan is delivering his farewell speech and has criticized some of Bush's policies. I respect the man for being a fearless and courageous UN Sec Gen.

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@Afam,
why don't you present your own fact that will exonerate the minister. I see your connection here, Frank Nweke is Chimaroke's boy and you are vouching for them. I wil also want you to challenge my statement if Nigerians really matter to Politicians

@adconline,

You are really losing it. You came here and posted a statement credited to the information minister without any form of details whatsoever. One cannot even understand the circumstances surrounding the statement and you expect people to swallow the statement.

It is not my duty to search for the complete statement because I did not listen to him, neither did I produce an incomplete statement.

About Chimaroke, it is disgusting to note that you see my comments on the happening in Enugu as being in support of the governor, however, I am not surprised because people are used to talking rubbish when hey find it difficult to make arguements that make sense.

I am still waiting for your response on Chime lane, it is obvious you were talking about a lane instead of a major raod in New Heaven area without knowing the difference.

adconline:
May be we do not know that the best country in Africa is not a democracy- Libya http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/country_profiles/819291.stm.
May be we do not know that the two fastest growing economies in the whole world are not democracy- China and Vietnam.

May be we also recognize that Nigeria is not a democracy but a civilian state. May be we have to know that democracy is all about numbers- 11 fools Vs 9 geniuses. May be we do not know that noble laureate Dr Muhammad Yunus of Bangladesh has positively touched more lives than most politicians.

I think wealth creation trumps our own kind of democracy because most Nigerians understand poverty more than democracy.

@adconline,

Tell them oooo as dem no gree. Dem say facts no dey lie.

gigitte:
i truly believe that nigerians abroad myself included who don't know have any plans of returning to nigeria and improving the country are inconsequential.

so you send money home for your brother to do business, pay school fees yadda yadda yadda, so that he can be successful and later maybe him and/or his kids will emigrate from nigeria, how does that help the country in the long run.

people should just admit that they don't have enough spirit to tough it out like the nigerians in nigeria, they work overseas and come and retire to a nice three level house in lekki or ikoyi, they think they have done their part by raising nigerian americans and such to add to the west's wealth and by giving money for their village improvement fund.

Need we say more? Very sincere assessment from someone that should ordinarily object to or attack the minister even though we do not have the complete statement yet

Get spybot - Search & Destroy and Ad-aware and run them, it will clean your system.

Illegality of the invasion of Iraq.

Countries under the UN do have obligations not to attack one another.

That explains why you have the security council. Major decisions concerning countries especially wars, sanctions are usually discussed and agreed upon by the members with 5 having veto powers and permanent status.

On Iraq, the US tried to lobby the other members that had veto powers but succeeded in getting only Britain side them with Russia, China and France threatening to veto the move.

When the US sensed that they won't get the other countries on their train they threatened to go ahead anyway and infact warned the IAEA inspectors in Iraq to leave immediately as the US will not guarantee the safety of the inspectors as the US has already decided to wage the war.

Koffi Annan clearly called the invasion an illegal one on CNN and that was the UN Sec Gen speaking.

I do not know why we are playing around with words here trying to twist and confuse issues even when unnecessary.

@Chief,

Can you point me to one or two websites you have designed so I can comfortably part with my money?

And is the N35k for static websites or dynamic ones?

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@Afam

_{Can you limit your allegations to what you are sure of?} Why don't you provide your own facts to counter my argument.

You never produced any single fact to begin with, you made statements and some of them are not correct. However, I never bother discussing what I am not sure of.

adconline:
Anyone that knows New Haven will know that your statement about dualizing the road is pure nonsense. I don't know what's your speciality, but I do know that the cost of building new road is higher than the cost of dualizing an existing road, besides New Haven is not in Haven, but in Chime Avenu, Enugu. So why think that people do not know . I will be amazed if Chimaroke single handedly financed his 1999 elections without any financial help from Jim Nwobodo. Why don't you rebut my allegations on one on one basis.

That the governor may not have single handedly financed his elections does not equate to collecting money from Nwobodo. You are merely speculating and your speculation is flat wrong even though I will not go into details to avoid issues with the law or EFCC on the matter.

What's your point with Chime Lane and New Haven? Where is Chime lane? I may have wrongly assumed you are talking about Chime Avenue or have they moved Chime Avenue from New Haven area? I went to school in Enugu so you need to explain better the road or lane you are referencing.

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What we are saying here is Gov Nnamani corrupt? Hell yes and his infractural development cannot absolve him of corruptly enriching himself. Let's not forget that it's not his money, but Enugu people's money. That's why things are happening because there is no taxation by representation. Cos if we paid our taxes and the government is messing with our money, then we should ask more questions. Let's not forget that Enugu city and Agbani are not the only cities for infrastructural development

You are arguing with yourself on this one because I made it clear that whatever infrastructural development he may have carried out will not absolve him from any corrupt charges he may be facing.

Can you limit your allegations to what you are sure of?

Making categorical statements when in fact some of them are off mark is not a good idea because pointing out just one puts a question mark on the whole post.

The governor never borrowed money from Nwobodo, in fact he became the annointed one after he agreed to fulfil a pledge Nwobodo made which the present senate president could not fulfil even though he was the person originally favoured by Nwobodo.

Anyone that knows New haven will know that your statement about dualizing the road is pure nonsense.

The governor also initiated a lot of fresh projects, ask around if you are not sure.

However, the points above do not in any way absolve the governor of corrupt practices.

I believe he has interests in the companies mentioned and probably others you do not know about.

In terms of infrastructural development he did very well.

@4Play,

I did advice you to face your studies so you don't lose both ways.

When you lack basic understanding of short statements I wonder what one can do to make you understand statements that span pages.

Your sense of reasoning is totally disgusting and you never fail to display it anytime you have the opportunity to do so.

You may even forgo the education and get a good danfo to drive in Lagos, it will be a better idea. Education does not equal knowledge, the sooner you realized this the better for you.

@TayoD,

The issue of losing control of the houses is clear, it is not something people do out of fashion, there must be a reason and it is either the populace approve or oppose the government. Either way, it is the people that decide based on what they think is important to them.

On US, terrorism etc, another thread will suffice because the issues involved are not as simple as politicians want us to believe.

Have you wondered why the US all of a sudden lost the sympathy it had after 911?

If the US had concentrated on finding the man responsible for 911 the problems we have today would not have been this great.

However, why provide a reason for someone that hates you to justify it?

The US by its miscalculations is providing the reasons that are used to justify attacks on the US.

Israel on its own by over reacting turns public opinion against itself and that does not help their case.

The last Hezbollah/Israeli conflict showed this very clearly, Israeli soldiers were attacked, kidnapped and some killed. Now, this clearly shows that the aggressor in this regard is Hezbollah. But what did Israel do? Wage war on a nation, kill innocent people and in no time Israel was seen as the trouble maker.

Even at that, ultimately, the root causes of these problems must be tackled before we have any hope of seeing the end of terrorism because every terrorist has a story to tell and when people or countries provide enough justifications for terrorist acts then it becomes too difficult to condemn totally the actions of the terrorist since things may have been different if situations were different.

@adconline,

Na wah ooo. It is not about vouching for Nweke, it is about making it clear what he said and the context.

I am sure you got this information from the media and the statement wasn't the only one he made throughout the duration of the interview.

We need to know what exactly he said, how he said it and why otherwise, we may end up attacking the man for nothing.

@Wiseguy,

I do not agree with you that Nigerians should beg those abroad to participate in the political process. Why should the government do so? Your votes will ultimately make much sense where it affects you directly.

Well since you admit that he have not confirmed that he actually made the statement and in what context the statement was made, the other issues you raised may be taken in good faith.

I think it is in everyone's best interest to focus on facts at all times lest we fight wars that we need not fight. Innocent people have died based on incorrect information in the past. We need to seek a new path.

Thanks for the link.

However, the statements goes to show that the government of the day don't just lose power because it is fashionable to do so but because the voters wanted change and could only do so through the ballot boxes.

I referenced Clinton's administration because his tenure is still fresh in the minds of many.

I believe a whole lot of people especially those in the US know that the reason for the republican defeat was based on the level of disappointment as regards the Bush administration specifically on Iraq.

Good thing there is a gradual change in the foreign policy of the US, maybe better times are ahead. The US needs to get its acts together and attempt (even if it is difficult to do so) to be fair, objective and stop fighting unnecessary wars and wasting innocent lives.

Would it be correct to infer from the last post that any country can wake up any day and invade another country and everything will be just normal?

No doubt, the current structures in place today tends to protect the stronger nations but at the end of the day everyone will feel the state of insecurity because strong or weak, the effects of resistance will be felt by many.

I really want to know the answer to the question above as it will set the stage for a more fruitful discussion especially whether we should continue with practices that results in careless wastages of lives or seek to make amend to create a system where the lives and properties of everyone can be guaranteed at least to a reasonable extent.

On the last mid term elections, I beg to differ on the US history showing that americans generally vote off the ruling party in the 6th year of its government.

Clinton served for 8 years and it is on record that the republicans basically had control of both houses right from when he was sworn in till the time he left.

You may please point us to the source of this information which I consider incorrect.