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If I get any of your personal attacks again trust me I will go full blast on you.

Yes, I do not watch CNN, BBC, AlJazeera, Fox News etc on any particular schedule and as such it is perfectly normal for one to watch a particular channel more than others.

I will not be delving into your lack of understanding (purely based on your own very statements on this thread), I think you have done a lot already to expose your level of thinking.

I will advice you to avoid making direct comments on my person otherwise you may need to take your case to the Admin of this forum if I get any of your silly remarks.

Are Shiites non Lebanese? What if only Shiites support Hezbollah?

If a single christian (in this case a catholic priest) chooses to support Hezbollah based on the level of bombing of even civilian targets by Israel then the statement that even some of the people that never supported them now did so is valid and not flawed as you wrongly stated.

Even in the Lebanese cabinet today you have at least 2 full ministers and I do have a feeling that if there was a general election in Lebanon today that Hezbollah will win more seats just as Hamas won a free and fair election in Palestine.

In reality, what the common people want in Lebanon (and indeed Nigeria) is a better life and security, and unfortunately for the government of Lebanon, Hezbollah appears to be able to defend Lebanon than the Lebanese army is.

I do hope you keep your responses decent so we can all agree or disagree without bad blood.

As the sources of my statements, CNN basically is what I watch for news (foreign) unless I occassionaly see an article online and anytime I see one this really interesting I post part or the whole content here. So, I wonder what you mean by as is usual with my case. Facts on this forum will prove the accusation to be false.

On your links, I will advice you do a summary and point us to the links for those that may need to see the full story. I am sure you will not want to visit say 20 links if I just posted them here without stating what the links contain.

On Lebanon, I have seen on TV people that oppose Hezbollah and have equally seen people that support Hezbollah, my citing the catholic priest was to show another side to the idea of christians vs moslems hating each other because ordinarily, a catholic priest would not support Hezbollah but for the level of destruction that Lebanon witnessed.

This is akin to wondering why the people of Odi are pissed of with the FG for the destruction of Odi regardless of the main reason for the destruction.

On Israel, on the same CNN, I saw people that support the war and some families that opposed it (however, most of them are Israeli arabs living in the Northern part of Israel) but they still Israelis.

My point is that there is no blanket support or opposition on either side of the divide and this is clear and obvious unless we have other motives in this discussion other than what happened, what is happening and what may happen tomorrow based on what we know today.

In Lebanon today we cannot deny the fact that some people like Hezbollah while some dislike them.

Likewise in Israel today, some people objected to the war (arabs living in Northern Israel where a lot of military installations are) while some supported it.

Therefore, it will be sheer stupidity for anyone to say that everyone either supported or opposed a particular action in either Lebanon or Israel.

Just like Odi in Nigeria, people are not discussing the people that killed 6 policement that prompted the FG's attack on Odi, what people are discussing is the level of destruction in Odi.

We must rise above trying to win an arguement at all cost.

After all said and done, Hezbollah was not crippled as promised by Israel, over 1000 deaths, the 2 kidnapped soldiers are not yet returned, the Israeli PM is under pressure to resign, he even admitted making mistakes even though he refused an independent inquiry into the war.

The response by Israel changed the equation and the results are there for all to see.

Peace can be achieved if we are sincere but are we really sincere even when we are far away from the real action? If commentators or discussants can afford to be this insincere in discussing the issues one can imagine what those that are directly affected will do.

Kaecy5,

The very reasons why the Israelis will not stand by and watch their relatives killed or kidnapped are the same reasons why groups like Hezbollah and Hamas came up.

Thousands of Lebanese and Palestinians are in Israeli jails sometimes for reasons like "would be suicide bombers" even though you have some people facing serious charges in Israel.

I am sure you know that in terms of numbers you do not have Israelis in Lebanese jails or Palestinian jails.

Think about the above scenario that is very real and see if you will change anything as regards how you view the conflict and the players and most especially why the hate game is continuing.

Do not forget that even some Lebanese that did not like Hezbollah before the last war were forced to side with them when they lost relatives and friends to Israeli bombs.

Even a catholic priest said on CNN that his people have no choice that to support Hezbollah to defend their country.

@TayoD,

What was that? Didn't you see the way he was responded to even when he never went personal? Stop this blind support. It is this type of double standards and hypocrisy that is fuelling the crisis in the world today. Someone stated he posted crap and you have the guts to alledge that the person only pointed out a wrong picture.

@Big B1,

Welcome to the thread, already you have tasted the venom of one of the 2 people that believe they know it all yet in reality they know very little and believe me, half knowledge they say is very dangerous.

Enjoy yourself and pleassssssseeeeee, do not bother explaining anything to them as they already have come to a conclusion so anything you say or write must agree with theirs otherwise you become ignorant or ill informed.

Solar panels aren't the best for power hungry appliances as you will spend a lot of money to get them to run off a solar system.

The best place to begin your journey to energy independence is to do an energy efficiency program first and use a reliable inverter with integrated charger.

Nepa is unreliable no doubt but it can guarantee you uninterruptible power supply when you throw in an inverter.

My office has been using an inverter for about 2 years now and unless something serious happens to the major transformer on Allen Avenue I never get to touch a generator let alone buy fuel/diesel.

I can work for a whole week without generator or nepa because my battery bank is enough to power the appliances that I need.

Is the EFCC really closing down cyber cafes in Nigeria?

If yes, why? You may need to be specific as a cyber cafe might have a strong reason to be closed down while another might not.

Let us go straight to the point lest we are accused of spreading misinformation.

Use the <?php echo nl2br() ?> function to achieve your
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The content should be within the ().

What do you mean working on a forum? Are you building a forum from scratch or what?

@Kabiyesi,

My thoughts exactly, Israel gets arms from the US, Israel is allowed to build nuclear weapons without anyone doing anything about it. Israel is fully supported by US.

On the other hand, Hezbollah has an armed unit that has sworn to defend Lebanese lands from any invader, they have friends that support them, they are not even a regular army, mere militants or terrorists (depends on the channel you are watching).

Why are people not concerned that Israel has the right to develop nuclear weapons without anyone asking questions but a lot of people are complaining about Iran (a sovereign nation) trying to develop nuclear technology (even if the real intention is nuclear weapons)?

Double standards like these will continue to fuel the crisis in the middle east.

If it is feared that a nuclear capable Iran would attack Israel with nuclear weapons does it not make sense for Iran to fear that an already nuclear capable Israel would attack it someday and hence try to arm itself too?

@TayoD,

I beg to disagree with you on Olmert and the non workability of Sharon's plans. Olmert said on TV that Israel made mistakes in the war and even admitted that some aspects were failures.

It is obvious that you look at the issue through an objective prism and I would not like for us to waste other peoples time by going round and round an already clear issue.

@TayoD,

Still searching for the facts even when you made such an accusation on blind support.

Please, clearly state the facts that I currently do not see.

So what the Hezbollah leader said is now important? And what if he did not say anything? What if Olmert did not launch a war that failed to meet his targets? There are a lot of what ifs but I am interested in seeing a peaceful middle east as no one benefits from wars or violence. I am not sure what you stand for based on your post, maybe I am blind to your stand too.

Ladenz,

Well stated. How can all the parties live together without further bloodshed?

No doubt, claims and counter claims to Jerusalem and its environs will amount to nothing as Jerusalem is important to jews, muslims and christians so who controls it?

I think the Israeli withdrawal to pre 1967 borders and the creation of a Palestine state will help a great deal in having lasting peace.

Sharon stated that he fought in all the wars Israel engaged in since 1948 and he knows how painful it is to give up the lands he handed over while in office, however, he stated that for a lasting peace to prevail, Israel will be unilaterally returning West Bank and Gaza Strip (even if not 100%).

I am sure his plans made sense and it is sad he is not in charge to follow through his promise.

Olmert on the other hand believed that war was a first option in resolving a conflict, and now we are going back to what they should have done in the first place, do a prisoner exchange.

@Ladenz,

No wahala. I am in love with open source, maybe that's the reason for the position.

@gdi,

I agree that one should depend on a steady and available source of online payment for reliability sake.

A lot of Nigerians have valid Mastercard (I use a Mastercard Debit card) and it is better to own or use a service provider's card than to depend on a friend because that friend may be unavailable when you may need him/her for renewal purposes which is the major reason for a lot of domain names expiring before the owners even realize what's happening.

tianshie:
I have read with horror some people on this thread suggest that a country like Iran be allowed to own nuclear weapons,in the interest of fair play.
i have no words to describe such warped logic.

The logic may be warped but you have failed to explain what makes it right for certain countries to own them, continue to build them while others cannot own them or build them.

We should clamour for total destruction of all weapons of mass destruction regardless of the countries involved or we should allow every country that wants to develop them to do so.

Israel, India and Pakistan have refused to sign the NPT agreement and what that means in simple english is that these countries can develop nuclear weapons every day without anyone asking them to stop.

Now, you expect countries that may have problems with these countries to stand by and not own theirs even as a form of defence or deterrant?

Making one line sly remarks based on other peoples positions is very easy but articulating your points to support your own position seems a very hard task.

You may explain to us why a country like Iran should not be allowed to own a nuclear weapon (mark you, I am not talking about nuclear technology for peaceful uses here)?

Came across the following on another forum and thought I should post it here, I guess it shows that not all arabs want Isreal destroyed and those that are against Israel do have valid reasons to complain, even UN resolutions have been ignored by Israel with the backing of the US.

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Timeline of Palestinian History and Politics

661-750 Palestine becomes a province under the Arab-Islamic Umayyad Dynasty that was based in Damascus.




685-691
The Ummayad Caliph Abdul Malik Ibn Marwan (685-705) builds the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.




705 Al-Walid Ibn Abdul Malik (705-715) of the Umayyads builds Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.



750-1258
Palestine becomes a province under the Arab-Islamic Abbasid Dynasty based in Baghdad.



1099-1187 The Crusaders invade Palestine and establish the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem.



1187 The Battle of Hittin in Palestine. Saladin of Egypt defeats the Crusaders and liberates Palestine from European Crusader control. Palestine is re-Arabized and re-Islamized.



1517 Ottoman conquest of most of the Arab world including Palestine.



1517-1918 Palestine under Ottoman rule.



1882-1904 First wave of immigration of Jewish settlers to Palestine.



1897
First Zionist Congress meets in Basel, Switzerland. The Basel Program is launched to settle Jews in Palestine and the World Zionist Organization is established.



1904-1914
Second wave of immigration of Jewish settlers to Palestine.



1911 Filistine newspaper is founded in Jaffa by Issa al-Issa. The newspaper addresses Arabs in Palestine as Palestinians, warning them of the consequences of the Zionist colonization of Palestine.



1915-16 Sharif Hussein and Henry McMahon, the British high commissioner in Egypt, exchange correspondence guaranteeing Arab independence in return for the Arab revolt against the Ottomans.



1916 16 May Britain and France sign the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divides the Ottoman Middle East provinces among them.



1917 2 November Lord Arthur James Balfour, British foreign secretary, sends a letter (later known as the Balfour Declaration) to Lord Edmund de Rothschild supporting the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine.




1918 9 December British forces occupy Palestine.



1919 First National Conference-Palestine; King-Crane Commission.



1920 24 April San Remo Conference grants Great Britain mandate over Palestine.



1922 24 July Council of the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine.



1936-39 Arab revolt erupts in Palestine.



1937 7 July The Peel Commission Report recommends turning Palestine into a Jewish State and an Arab State incorporated into Transjordan, with Jerusalem and Bethlehem placed under the British Mandate.



1939 17 May The British government issues the MacDonald White Paper to limit and restrict Jewish immigration and land purchases in Palestine.



1942 11 May The Zionists attending the Biltmore Conference in New York advocate the establishment of a “Jewish Commonwealth” in Palestine.



1946-48 Jewish-Palestinian-British war breaks out.



1947 29 November The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine recommends the Partition of Palestine (UN General Assembly Resolution 181) into an Arab state and a Jewish state, and that Jerusalem and its environs be internationalized without consultation with Palestinians.



1948 9 April Jewish underground forces, the Irgun and Stern Gang, massacre 254 Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem.

14 May The Mandate over Palestine officially ends and the Zionists proclaim the establishment of the state of Israel. The U.S. extends full diplomatic recognition to Israel.

1 September The Palestinian National Conference meets in Gaza and the All-Palestine Government is established under the leadership of Hajj Amin al-Husseini. Al-Husseini heads the meeting of the Palestinian National Council in Gaza.
1 December Palestinian notables from the east central Palestine, the area that remained under Jordanian military control (and later called the West Bank), meet in Jericho and advocate a temporary union with Transjordan.

11 December The United Nations General Assembly adopts Resolution 194, which recognizes the right of Palestinians who were expelled by the Israeli army or who fled during the 1948 war to return to their homes.



1949 At the end of the 1948 war, Israel extends its holdings of Palestine, and now controls 78 percent of it rather than the 56 percent allocated by the UN Partition Plan of 1947 by conquering areas allotted by the UN to the Palestinian state.
12 August Geneva Convention provides protection of civilians in time of war (Fourth Geneva Convention).
8 December The UN announces the establishment of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) to assist Palestinian refugees in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
The West Bank comes under Jordanian control, while Egypt asserts authority over Gaza.



1950 24 April The West Bank officially becomes part of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.



1953 28 February Israel launches a large scale assault on the Gaza Strip.



1956 28-29 October The Suez war (the second Arab-Israeli war). Israel invades and occupies the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula in preparation for a British-French invasion of Egypt to reinstate western control of the Suez.



1957 In Kuwait, Yasser Arafat, among others, founds the Palestine Liberation Movement, whose name becomes Fateh, which means “opening.”




1964 28 May Ahmed Shuqeiri, the Palestinian representative to the Arab League, heads the Palestinian National Council (PNC) meeting in Jerusalem, where the First Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) National Covenant is drafted. At the PNC meeting, he is appointed the first chairman of the PLO.
2 June The PLO is officially founded.



1967 5 June Israel launches an attack that starts the June War, which lasts six days and is referred to as the Six Day War in Israel and the West; Israel captures East Jerusalem and the West Bank from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt.

11 December George Habash establishes the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
Israel annexes East Jerusalem and begins construction of Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
22 November The United Nations Security Council adopts Resolution 242, which states that Israel must withdraw from the territories occupied during the Six Day War of 1967 in return for peace and secure borders.




1968 21 March The Battle of al-Karameh takes place in the village Karameh, east of the Jordan River, where Palestinian guerilla movements joined the Jordanian army to block Israel from entering the East Bank.
17-18 July The Palestinian National Council moves its head quarters to Cairo and modifies the PLO’s National Charter.



1970 September PLO-Jordanian power struggle and civil war in Jordan. During this year, an attack by the Jordanian army is launched against Palestinian camps and guerillas on the outskirts of the Jordanian capital, Amman. The incredible Palestinian death toll in the attack is labeled “Black September” by the Palestinian movement.




1971 9 July The Jordanian army evicts the PLO from Jordan and dismantles its infrastructure.
28 November Black September, a Palestinian organization formed after the civil war between the PLO and Jordan in September 1970, claims responsibility for the assassination of Wasfi al-Tal, Jordan’s Prime Minister.



1973 6 October The October war breaks out when Syria and Egypt launch a coordinated attack on Israeli forces occupying the Golan Heights and the Sinai desert.
22 October The United Nations Security Council adopts Resolution 338, recommending negotiations between Israel and its Arab neighbors.



1974 19 February The Palestinian National Council accepts the establishment of a Palestinian state in any liberated part of Palestine and discards the option of establishing a secular democratic state in all of Palestine.

14 October The United Nations General Assembly passes Resolution 3326, which accepts the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people and grants them permanent observer status. PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat addresses the General Assembly.

28 October The Seventh Arab League Summit in Rabat recognizes the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.
19 November Egyptian President Anwar Sadat visits Israel and addresses the Israeli Knesset.



1978 14 March The Israeli army invades southern Lebanon, demolishes a number of villages, and kills some 700 Lebanese and Palestinians.
17 September U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin sign the Camp David Accords. Israel agrees to withdraw from the Sinai in exchange for peace with Egypt and to grant the Palestinians “full autonomy” in the Occupied Territories after a transitional period of five years.



1979 22 March The United Nations Security Council adopts resolution 446, which demands that Israel dismantle the settlements in the Occupied Territories.



1980 The Israeli Knesset officially adopts the Jerusalem Law, which annexes East Jerusalem to Israel.



1982 4 June The Israeli army invades Lebanon to destroy the military, political, and institutional infrastructure of the PLO. Israel besieges Beirut for three months. Palestinian and Lebanese casualties were estimated at tens of thousands of people killed.
16-18 September Members of the Phalange militia massacre up to 2,000 Palestinian refugees at Sabra and Shatila camps in Beirut.



1983 14-21 February The Palestinian National Council meets in Algiers and approves the concept of a confederation between an independent Palestine and Jordan.

20 December PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat and 4,000 PLO commandos leave north Lebanon on Greek ships.



1984 28 February Palestinians from the Occupied Territories meet PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat in Amman, Jordan to urge him to accept a joint PLO and Jordanian strategy based on United Nations Security Council resolutions 242 and 338.



1985-87 The “war of the camps” in which Lebanese Amal (Shia) militias vent their hostility against PLO loyalists and Palestinian civilians, killing many refugees and destroying camps in Lebanon. The Syrian army, the deterrent force in the Lebanese civil war, looks the other way.



1985 11 February PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat and Jordan’s King Hussein agree on a formula for a joint Jordanian-Palestinian peace strategy.
19 November The PLO Executive Committee meets in Baghdad and reaffirms the PLO’s rejection of UN resolutions 242 and 338.



1986 19 February King Hussein ends joint peace efforts with the PLO.



1987 9 December The Palestinian intifada (uprising) begins in Gaza and spreads to the West Bank.



1988 16 April Khalil al-Wazir (Abu Jihad), a PLO military leader, is assassinated in his home in Tunis.
31 July King Hussein officially breaks administrative and legal ties with the West Bank and announces that he is relinquishing control to the PLO.
3 August The PLO declares full responsibility for the affairs of the West Bank and Gaza.
24 November The Palestinian National Council proclaims an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza; 55 countries including China and the Soviet Union recognize the Palestinian state.
7 December PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat declares in Stockholm that the PLO accepts Israel’s right to exist and denounces terrorism. The United States rejects the term “denounce” and insists that he “renounces” terrorism.
14 December The United States authorizes its ambassador to Tunis, Robert Pelletreau, to open a diplomatic dialogue with the PLO.



1989 12 January The UN Security Council grants the PLO the right to speak directly to the Council as “Palestine” with the same status as any UN member nation.
2 April The PLO Central Council appoints the organization’s Chairman Yasser Arafat the first President of Palestine.
20 April The UN General Assembly condemns Israeli practices in the Occupied Territories and calls on the UN Security Council to protect Palestinian civilians.



1990 9 April PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat rejects Hamas’ conditions to join the PLO. Hamas requests 40 percent of the Palestinian National Council’s seats, but Arafat rejects the request.
25 May After the United States refuses to grant Yasser Arafat a visa to enter New York to address the UN General Assembly, the General Assembly moves to Geneva where Arafat calls for deployment of UN forces into the West Bank and Gaza.



1990 17 January The United States and its allies attack Iraq, forcing Iraq to withdraw from Kuwait. In its wake, the U.S. emerges as the sole power broker in the region and plans to launch a new peace initiative in the region labeled the “peace process.”
21 July U.S. Secretary of State James Baker informs Palestinian leaders that the American initiative envisions the creation of “less than a state, and more than autonomy.”
28 August The PLO agrees, with provisions, to participate in the Middle East Peace Conference (August 28).
16 October The PLO and Jordan agree to form a joint Jordanian-Palestinian delegation to attend the forthcoming Conference in Madrid.
30 October The Madrid peace conference begins with representatives from Israel, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine.



1993 30 August The Norwegian government confirms that 14 secret rounds of talks were held in Norway between Israeli and Palestinian negotiators.
13 September Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), spokesperson for the PLO Foreign Affairs Department and member of the PLO Executive Committee, and Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres initial the Declaration of Principles (DOP). PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin sign the accords and shake hands on the lawn of the White House.
19 September The United States promises $250 million to the Palestinians to support the agreement. The Israeli Knesset approves the DOP 61 to 50.
12 October The PLO establishes the Palestinian Authority (PA) and appoints Arafat its head.



1994 4 May PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin sign the Gaza-Jericho Self-Rule Accord (Cairo Agreement).
11 May The Knesset approves the Gaza-Jericho Agreement by a 52-0 vote.
26 June The PA holds its first meeting in Gaza City.
1 July Arafat, followed by a large part of the PLO bureaucracy, returns to Gaza triumphantly.
26 October Israel and Jordan sign a peace treaty.
10 December Arafat, Rabin, and Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres accept the Nobel Peace Prize.



1995 13 January PA Minister of Planning and International Coordination Nabil Sha’ath announces that the PA has committed itself to peaceful resistance.
28 September PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin sign the Palestinian-Israeli Interim Agreement on the West Bank and Gaza Strip (Oslo II) at the White House.
9 November Rabin is assassinated by Israeli law student Yigal Amir.




1996 20 January Elections are held for the PA presidency and the Palestinian Legislative Council. PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat wins the presidency with 88.1 percent of the vote.
4 May Arafat and the Palestine National Council amend the PLO National Charter, removing the call for the destruction of Israel.
2 June Binyamin Netanyahu becomes Israel’s Prime Minister.



1997 15 January Israel and the PLO sign the Protocol Concerning the Redeployment in Hebron (Hebron Agreement).
21 October Israel’s former Prime Minister Shimon Peres calls for a Palestinian state.




1998 23 October Israel and the PLO sign the Wye River Memorandum.



1999 7 February King Hussein of Jordan dies.
12 May Ehud Barak is elected Prime Minister of Israel.

4 September Israel and the PLO sign the Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum (known as Wye II).
10 November Israel opens one of the “safe passage routes” along existing roads that connect the West Bank and Gaza



2000 11 July Israeli-Palestinian negotiations at Camp David begin (July 11).
28 September Extreme right-wing Israeli leader Ariel Sharon visits the Haram el-Sharif in Jerusalem, setting off the worst violent clashes (known as the “Al-Aqsa Intifada”) in Israel and the Occupied Territories since Israel was founded.



2001 6 February Sharon is elected prime minister of Israel.





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@TayoD,

Isreal is the victim but by its own very actions lost the sympathy and became the aggressor solely based on the level of disproportionate force used in response to the Hezbollah attack.

If you find the above statement one sided or biased what do you make of the Israelis that the PM fought for when 63% of them (Israelis, not Nigerians) want him to resign for the mistakes in handling the conflict? What more can one say or write for you to know that some of us that disapprove of Israel's over reaction do not hate Israel but are pointing out the actions that are not fair.

Without wasting much of your time, ok, disregard what we post hear and try to question the Israelis why they think that their PM should resign. 63% wants him to resign and only 11% said they will vote for him again and these things show that even the very people that should stand by him regardless of what happens are even deserting him. Does this not drive home the point that it is not about religion or hate or bias, it is about what is right and what is wrong.

It is the same way that the US moved from a country a lot of people sympathized with after 911 to a country that is hated by a lot of people based on many lies of Bush who consistently deceived Americans into fighting illegal wars based on pack of lies.

@Chxta,

I personally don't believe in trading insults or blaming or pointing accusing fingers when we have a lot of serious issues to discuss but when someone fails to realize where his rights stop and where the rights of others begin, it makes perfect sense to put such a person where he really belongs lest his abuses will scare others from airing their opinions.

Enjoy.

@Swine,

Let us see if you can keep to your promise of never responding to the very insults you started (I very much doubt it anyway unless something drastic happened to you in the past hour).

People have enjoyed free education without selling their souls or losing their self esteem. You can enjoy free education and still have an independent mind, it is not impossible, it is very doable.

I once stated that those who find it difficult to discuss intelligently usually take the easiest way out - start insulting others so as to ultimately deviate from the main issue.

I challenge you not to respond this as you have demonstrated to this forum that you are thoroughly confused.

@Chxta,

Thanks for pointing out who started the insults as he has been denying the fact as he denies everything and I do hope he will not label you a liar for daring to stand by the truth.

@Topic,

A poll conducted in Israel by the country's leading newspaper just stated that 63% of Israelis want the PM to resign and on another poll only 11% said they will vote for him if he ran for an election today.

Yet, Nigerians are here abusing one another even when the people of Israel disapprove of the war in Lebanon. What more can I say when the very people you may be ignorantly defending makes it clear that their leader was doing badly.

The twin objectives of starting the war were never realized - crush Hezbollah and secure the kidnapped soldiers even with about 1000 dead, mostly civilians, especially women and children.

Again, the US said it is investigating Israel for using cluster bombs as some of the shells were recovered at some sites and the US made it clear that the bi-lateral agreement with Israel clearly specified when such cluster bombs could be used, obviously, even the US don't approve of the use in the last conflict.

My people, truth is bitter, however we will never stop telling it, regardless of what people think.

Some of us have maintained a principled stand on this issue from day one and events unfolding today proves that we were right while the religous bigots were wrong.

I remain a practicing christain, not a religous bigot and I have respect for people regardless of race, gender or religion.

I can raise my head high based on my stand but some of us can only raise their voices in abuses as they lost in the discussion, at least the Israelis have done an honest assessment of the last conflict.

I rest my case and do hope that we learn how to agree or disagree on issues without resorting to insults and abuses.

However, advocating for peace does not mean that we are afraid of war.

Are we going to pray for

1. the senator to stop looting?

2. the politician to stop trying to get there at all cost?

3. the police to stop taking bribe?

4. the nigerian to stop offering bribe?

Prayers without action is a waste of time and the prayer of the wicked never gets beyond the ceiling (assuming the ceiling is a reference point)

The same people that will dine with the devil at night will want the world to believe they are God-like, babalawo for night - church for morning.

Our problems in Nigeria lie within our own very immediate environments, from our friends, fathers, uncles, mothers, sisters, brothers, sons etc.

Prayer is good but purposeless prayer is a waste of time. i believe Nigeria is the most religious nation in the world so it is not a question of prayer as we have more than enough prayer warriors, unfortunately I don't believe we have more than a handful of good people around.

Hmm!!! I sense desperation here. Ok, the man, not the boy. And the grammar keeps coming, toss the dictionary aside and use your brain to process information and make your positions known.

Posting is not by force and you can never force people to accept your incoherent posts are facts, better still face your studies for the time being so you don't fail your exams.

I think its people like you that accuse lecturers of failing them because they did not "settle them".

No add blindness join the low level of reasoning that you currently display here, the post on Israel buying 2 nuclear capable submarines isn't just about the swine, was it?

@Kabiyesi,

I hope he comes to his senses sooner than later. I sometimes feel bad to know that we have Nigerians like him calling themselves Nigerians because other people may incorrectly use his level of reasoning to generalize on Nigerians as a whole and you know how terrible such wrong generalization is.

Otokx,

Isreal just bought 2 nuclear capable submarines as I write this.

We keep asking some countries not to acquire nuclear technology or nuclear energy, yet other countries are free to build them, buy them, use them. You see why peace cannot reign in an unjust and unfair world.

It is either all countries are allowed to own nuclear weapons or no country is allowed to own it, anything other than this is just an invitation to what we are currently experiencing.

Why is the US toning down on North Korea of late?

But http://weddingannouncer.com/ - the main website offers the service for free, so what's the cheap part?

Na wah.

So this boy now talks about why "we are this, we are that" so he is now part of the administration, can someone remind him that no matter what he does especially support for wrong policies he will forever remain a Nigerian, citizenship rights (if applicable) not withstanding?

Maybe we need to give this boy a break so he can settle down with his studies. Education does not equal knowledge and in him I have seen a real life example. In fact, I know point people to this thread to show that some people believe they know what they know nothing about.

I believe almost all the facts concerning the problems in the middle east have been stated here, I guess the problem now is that some of us are so hung on our views that all we come here to do is force people to believe our own versions or else they become enemies.

I believe an examination is certainly not a true test of knowledge but a necessary step anyway in sieving the chaff from the grains.

I do hope that Mr Perfert will answer the following questions rather than vague or open ended accusations

1. What was Afam's original position?

2. What is Afam's position now?

3. When did Afam attempt to retreat and retreat from what?

4. What constitutes neutrality in this case as it is pointless for one to be neutral in an arguement unless the person is a clown, what is needed is objectivity and for Christ's sake objectivity and neutrality are not the same (?).

I hope he answers the questions (that is if he understands them anyway).

The greatest fool is that person that believes he/she is incapable of making mistakes and yet makes them quite often without realizing.

@Nilla,

Ok, the advice starts coming. Don't rely on wikipedia only as there are other reliable sources like George Bush, Tony Blair, Olmert, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld etc.

@Adviser,

You can never understand a message until you understand the creator of the message and the motive behind the message.

Repeating what some liars feed you on daily basis on a discussion forum does not make you knowledgeable, I expect you to think, reason and analyse the issues based on facts and logic not based on insults and ignorance which you have showed to a very large extent.

I hope this brat/swine understands that I do not have time for his inconsistent and sometimes senseless comments.

Try as hard as he may, I don't think he can reason more than what he has been putting down here, it's an inherent limitation which may be overcome as time goes on with age, exposure, knowledge and the willingness to learn.

@ Niffa & Brown eyes,

One fact remains clear, no matter what you put down here it will not make a different to those that believe they know it all. I can tolerate arrogant people that are intelligent but when you mix arrogance with stupidity then you have a time bomb.

Allow this boy to continue to display his ignorance and lack of understanding of what happens around him even in the same country he is currently enjoying free education (maybe blind support is the real prize for the free education anyway).

People talk of proof and none has been presented by the US to show that Iran wants to develop war heads that are capable of reaching Israel yet some senseless people will follow the same line of lies that Bush used in Iraq and defend same as though they were true.

@Kabiyesi,

I only hope that countries stand up to what is right and do what is best for their people. If most countries of the world today decide to put their own people first, the parasitic nature of the US will end as from the foundation of the US the country has survived on the blood and sweat of other people. And these are facts before our school boy starts looking for them.

Enjoy!

Ladenz,

You don't think so, what exactly don't you agree with and why. I am eager to learn from you anyway as I have just stated my opinion.

@Ladenz,

Windows based platforms are generally and usually more expensive when compared to open source platforms, largely due to licencing costs.

Again, bear in mind that anyone can setup a server even at home so the job of knowing where to host or who to host becomes a bit difficult until you try the plan yourself unless you are lucky to get satisfied customers tell you the real story.

Just thinking - do you have asp based applications that cannot be developed using open source?

No doubt the internet offers anyone the opportunity to become a publisher as all it takes is some web space somewhere. This means that we can never exhaust content for or against any position on any issue for that matter.

What we need is to think as against believing whatever a source we like says, reason as against allowing others to do that for us and make up our minds without fear or favour on what is right or wrong.

Did I hear Israel for the first time claim that targets in Lebanon that killed innocen civilians were highly regretable mistakes? I heard this on CNN as response to a question regarding war crime charges.

An interesting post by someone on the claim to the lands in dispute is reproduced (without permission) below

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Quote from: E.BEN on August 20, 2006, 02:04:37 PM
YES , YES AND YES, there is no civilization,people,nation or culture known as PALESTINE. Emperor  Hadrian   changed the land of Israel to "palestine" and renamed JERUSALEM to AELIA CAPITOLINA, This was during the 2nd century a period of about AD 125-170, after the REBELLION OF BAR KOBA{BER KHOBA}  Later subsequent  administrators of the land of Israel begin to refer to the area as PALESTINE.


I beg to strongly disagree with your assertion as it fails to take into consideration the very meaning or essence of "people", "nation" or "culture". If the Arab Palestinians' claims to nationhood, with their roots and BIRTHPLACE stemming from the geographical location popularly called Palestine, can be casually dismissed with the above comments, then I want to know what under the earth qualifies Zionist Israel, that by all historical and biblical accounts fought inhabitants of the Land of Canaan to forcefully occupy their lands, to be accorded nationhood status? What even qualifies the U.S, a country with the most diversified ethnic constitution for that matter, to be called a nation with it's roots stained in deliberate massacres and genocide of the rightful inhabitants of Northern America? Does America have a more distinctive "people", "culture" or history than the Arab Palestinians? Britain and it's neighbors were all conquered by the Roman empire at some point, does that rob them of their distinctive rights to nationhood, territorial integrity and autonomy?

How may I ask is the Arab Palestinian case different? The facts according to even the bible show that Israelites fought the original inhabitants of Canaan- the Canaanites, Hittites, Ammonites and so on to lay claims to the land. That is not to be interpreted as a judgemental position as I will not question divine injunctions. However, why is it difficult to accept Arab Palestinians claims to the same piece of land based on the fact that Palestine became a province under the Arab-Islamic Umayyad Dynasty in the 7th century or even based on their common Abrahamic pedigree with the Jews?

Bear in mind that at the beginning of the 20th century the British guaranteed 'Arab' independence in return for the Arab revolt against the Ottomans simply because the Arabs were the dominant group living in Palestine at the time. In fact, Jews constituted less than 10%(not my idea of a sizable population as you suggested) of the over 500,000 inhabitants prior to the immigration of Zionist Jews to Palestine in the early part of the 20th century.

The plain truth is that modern Israel at the time of it's creation was an imported nation craved out of land belonging to other dwellers, mostly Arabs. The wise thing to have done at the time, which was not done, was to establish a two-state solution to the crisis, which is why the Western powers, especially Britain that had the mandate over the region at the time, is partly to be blamed for the Middle East crisis. They were biased against the Arabs from the beginning, which explains why Israel's declaration was immediately accepted at the expense of the dominant group- the Arab Palestinians! The Arabs resisted the two-state solution initially because of the unfavorable boundaries suggested but that could have been peacefully negotiated before Israel declared itself a sovereign state and subjected the dominant Arab group to years of hopelessness as a people.

The Arab settlers that make up Palestine today were mostly born on that same land and so were their Arab ancestors, so it is wrong to say they migrated from the rest of the Arab world as though the land of Palestine was barren of human life before the influx of the Zionist from Eastern Europe in the early 1900s. Kind of reminds me of S. African whites' bogus claim that South Africa was devoid of black when they set foot there.

Nations come and go. Non-Semitic Canaanites were dislodged by the nation of Israel once, then the Jews were overthrown by the Romans. Since then there have been the Byzantine, Arab Islamic, and Ottoman empires occupying the region, so if you are going to argue for Israel's supremacy based on who got there first, then the land obviously will not go to Israel as they forcefully took over the land from the Canaanites.

In the end, we will not solve the Middle East crisis on this forum but in fairness to the Palestinians, they have been dealt a bad deal by the West and Israel since 1948. Immediately the Zionists proclaimed the establishment of the state of Israel, the U.S. extended full diplomatic recognition to Israel without minding that such an act was in violation of the UN resolution 181 that recommended the partitioning of Palestine into an Arab state and a Jewish state, and that Jerusalem be internationalized. As though that was not bad enough, Israel went on to occupy more Arab land in the 1967 war.

No wonder just recently, Bush has accepted that the Palestinians should have a home state of their own as they are a people with a distinctive cultural identity and national aspirations. I can't figure how a fair-minded objective observer can not see that peace in the Middle East will only be achieved when that fundamental error of judgement is redressed.

Zionist Israel's overbearing posture is the reason for the circle of hate and violence in the Middle East. Since they will always have their godfather, the U.S, selling military warheads and bombs to them for the purposes of conducting air raids against their Arab neighbours, other Arab nations will continue to see the sense in sponsoring resistance movements like Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel will be deceiving itself to think that they can ever crush the resistance by force. These religious radicals are motivated by what they view as a just cause of ridding their lands of Zionist occupiers, who have shown little respect for their religion, humanity and political aspirations as a people.

To date, 9,000 Palestinians are in Israeli jails on the presumption that they may be terrorists. Israeli army through very undemocratic means moves into Palestine and Lebanon at will to capture prisoners, yet they cry the loudest when their soldiers, some of whom are terrorists by all standard definitions, are captured or killed by the other side. What makes an Israeli's life more precious than that of an Arab?

Even within Israel, reasonable moderates like former PM Simone Peres recognise that the only route to peace is for Israel to make meaningful concessions as only then will extremist groups lose their reason for existing as well as their widespread appeal. Sharon was equally coming close to that realisation before his demise. Israel's oppression and suppression of Palestinians and other Arabs in the regions is the nucleus of the crisis in a nutshell. Remove the deprivations, harassment of the Palestinians and recognise their rights to territorial integrity and the Middle East will return the the peaceful place it was before the influx of Zionists occupiers in the early 1900. Before then, the Muslims, Christians and few Jews lived peacefully under the Ottoman government.

Let me iterate that I am not disputing Israel's rights to nationhood as there's strong historical basis for their claims, but the same or even greater arguments can be fielded for the establishment of a Palestinian nation today. For the international community to recognise Israel's rights to nationhood and fail to forcefully negotiate the same for Arab Palestinians remains one of the greatest failures of our generation. The problems created by that error of judgement will continue to be the greatest challenge of our age, i.e. terrorism.

Israel could have been forced to negotiate a meaningful peace deal if the world collectively sent a message that their highhandedness and high-mindedness will alienate them from the rest of the world and perhaps bring about serious economic consequences. See how quickly the West withdrew financial aid from Palestine, yet looks the other way while Israel continues it's psychological torture of that population of people. What is the sense in the US insisting on not negotiating actively with Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran in bringing an end to the crisis when these are some of the major actors in the Middle East crisis? Sometimes, I tend to feel that maybe the enmity between the Jews and Arabs will remain a constant until the close of this age, if things continue the way they are going. Nonetheless, I hope for a peaceful resolution.
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@Nilla,

Welldone with your style of presenting facts to substantiate claims not some vague statements that cannot be substantiated.

Have you noticed how Bush and the US never talks about Nuclear Technology in Iran but Nuclear weapons even when Iran has never stated that it is developing Nuclear Weapon?

That is how liars behave, they keep telling a particular lie until people get to believe such as true.

Before the illegal Iraqi invasion Bush kept repeating Weapons of Mass Destruction to the extent that people believed that Iraq was a real threat to world peace, today we know better.

Enjoy!

@Brown -eyes,

They are not being difficult, they have already come to a conclusion about the issue (unfortunately based on religion) and are only trying to force any information or discussion towards their own conclusions.

It's like the Nigeria Police that declares suspects guilty until proven innocent.

Even the Israeli PM agreed that the war strategy was not as it should have been, a panel of inquiry has been setup and yet we have Nigerians claiming that everything they did was right. I wonder how they now react to comments coming from those they have blindly and religiously supported.

The issue is not France, the issue is not the clean up of the mess created by US watching and Israel bombing, the issue is many careless mistakes, lies and miscalculations of the West in trying to create a new middle east that will suit its purpose regardless of the consequences.

At least France was right on Iraq and US was flat wrong.

France was right about an immediate cease fire in the last conflict and the US supported an elongated war.

Might is not right and the current happenings in the middle east will prove that to the US.

The truth of the matter being that a completely democratic and free middle east will simply spell disaster for the US as the US has created more enemies than friends based on its lies, support for even wicked regimes as long as the prize was right.

@Kabiyesi,

Education does not equal knowledge so do not bother about comments being made by a lot of educated people especially when you find a huge disconnect between what they say and what is on ground.

@Zebudaya,

Israel failed to achieve its twin objectives in the war whereas on the other hand, the status of Hezbollah has risen and as we write today the leadership in Israel agreed they did not meet the set objectives and former PM of Israel Netenyanhu is cashing in on the disappointment.

War never solves any problem, they either confirm a form of military supremacy or expose a military weakness that may not augur well for the supposedly strong nation.

Brown-Eyes,

You are a very patient person, keep educating or informing people that are blinded by hate and religious bigotry, they don't give a damn about any injustices, lies, wickedness that helpless and innocent civilians face, all that matters is that the US and Israel are always right regardless of what they do.

I also believe that such rigid standpoints are basically the same with the so called terrorists and suicide bombers.

Real shame.

Why phone call? Can you handle 1000 calls in a day? Do you know how much money that will be spent in calling you not to talk about your cell phone battery going down?

How cheap? And a website where one can see your work will help.