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L & G,

I hope to clarify a lie this egg head it trying to sell here.

My statement about who needs each other the most? stemmed from the statement by the egghead that the arabs should be deported to their countries.

The statement warranted the basic analysis of who needs each other the most. I am not surprised that a shameless human being can twist such a clear statement into something else.

Oil shale is even enormous in the Niger Delta region (infact the name of one of the best oil shales in Nigeria is Afam Shale) so what's this nonsense about oil shales in the US and Canada.

For the benefit of others lest this egghead lead people astray, the major reasons why the US prefer to get oil from the middleast is the cost of production which is relatively very cheap in the middle east, South America and Africa.

These costs range from cost of desulferization to the cost of storage and transportation especially in extremely cold regions. Canada would not readily agree to extensive exploitation or exploration of the Alaska region based on the fishing activities that will be affected adversely.

This guy should face his studies and leave the search engines alone because the search engine will only confuse someone that does not have any knowledge of what he/she is searching for.

Otokx,

We are here to discuss on any issues that we like but in doing so we must respect the opinions of others even if we do not agree with them.

What's with this blockhead that goes about writing trash and will be the first to abuse others even when he is barely making sense?

I am neither a muslim nor an Israeli so I don't have any reason to side any of the sides in the present conflict.

What is wrong is wrong, what is right is right but above all we must state things the way they are and seek to stand by the truth at all times else we end up being at the receiving end one day.

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July 31, 2006
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Leaders of the world. I, the Prime Minister of Israel, am speaking to you from Jerusalem in the face of the terrible pictures from Kfar Kana. Any human heart, wherever it is, must sicken and recoil at the sight of such pictures. There are no words of comfort that can mitigate the enormity of this tragedy. Still, I am looking you straight in the eye and telling you that the State of Israel will continue its military campaign in Lebanon.
The Israel Defense Forces will continue to attack targets from which missiles and Katyusha rockets are fired at hospitals, old age homes and kindergartens in Israel. I have instructed the security forces and the IDF to continue to hunt for the Katyusha stockpiles and launch sites from which these savages are bombarding the State of Israel.

We will not hesitate, we will not apologize and we will not back off. If they continue to launch missiles into Israel from Kfar Kana, we will continue to bomb Kfar Kana. Today, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Here, there and everywhere. The children of Kfar Kana could now be sleeping peacefully in their homes, unmolested, had the agents of the devil not taken over their land and turned the lives of our children into hell.

Ladies and gentlemen, its time you understood: the Jewish state will no longer be trampled upon. We will no longer allow anyone to exploit population centers in order to bomb our citizens. No one will be able to hide anymore behind women and children in order to kill our women and children. This anarchy is over. You can condemn us, you can boycott us, you can stop visiting us and, if necessary, we will stop visiting you.
Today I am serving as the voice of six million bombarded Israeli citizens who serve as the voice of six million murdered Jews who were melted down to dust and ashes by savages in Europe. In both cases, those responsible for these evil acts were, and are, barbarians devoid of all humanity, who set themselves one simple goal: to wipe the Jewish race off the face of the earth, as Adolph Hitler said, or to wipe the State of Israel off the map, as Mahmoud Ahmedinjad proclaims.

And you - just as you did not take those words seriously then, you are ignoring them again now. And that, ladies and gentlemen, leaders of the world, will not happen again. Never again will we wait for bombs that never came to hit the gas chambers. Never again will we wait for salvation that never arrives. Now we have our own air force. The Jewish people are now capable of standing up to those who seek their destruction - those people will no longer be able to hide behind women and children. They will no longer be able to evade their responsibility.
Every place from which a Katyusha is fired into the State of Israel will be a legitimate target for us to attack. This must be stated clearly and publicly, once and for all. You are welcome to judge us, to ostracize us, to boycott us and to vilify us. But to kill us? Absolutely not.
Four months ago I was elected by hundreds of thousands of citizens to the office of Prime Minister of the government of Israel, on the basis of my plan for unilaterally withdrawing from 90 percent of the areas of Judea and Samaria, the birth place and cradle of the Jewish people; to end most of the occupation and to enable the Palestinian people to turn over a new leaf and to calm things down until conditions are ripe for attaining a permanent settlement between us.

The Prime Minister who preceded me, Ariel Sharon, made a full withdrawal from the Gaza Strip back to the international border, and gave the Palestinians there a chance to build a new reality for themselves. The Prime Minister who preceded him, Ehud Barak, ended the lengthy Israeli presence in Lebanon and pulled the IDF back to the international border, leaving the land of the cedars to flourish, develop and establish its democracy and its economy.

What did the State of Israel get in exchange for all of this? Did we win even one minute of quiet? Was our hand, outstretched in peace, met with a handshake of encouragement? Ehud Barak's peace initiative at Camp David let loose on us a wave of suicide bombers who smashed and blew to pieces over 1,000 citizens, men, women and children. I don't remember you being so enraged then. Maybe that happened because we did not allow TV close-ups of the dismembered body parts of the Israeli youngsters at the Dolphinarium? Or of the shattered lives of the people butchered while celebrating the Passover seder at the Park Hotel in Netanya? What can you do - that's the way we are. We don't wave body parts at the camera. We grieve quietly.

We do not dance on the roofs at the sight of the bodies of our enemy's children - we express genuine sorrow and regret. That is the monstrous behavior of our enemies. Now they have risen up against us. Tomorrow they will rise up against you. You are already familiar with the murderous taste of this terror. And you will taste more.
(In a loud and clear voice)

And Ariel Sharon's withdrawal from Gaza. What did it get us? A barrage of Kassem missiles fired at peaceful settlements and the kidnapping of soldiers. Then too, I don't recall you reacting with such alarm. And for six years, the withdrawal from Lebanon has drawn the vituperation and crimes of a dangerous, extremist Iranian agent, who took over an entire country in the name of religious fanaticism and is trying to take Israel hostage on his way to Jerusalem - and from there to Paris and London.
An enormous terrorist infrastructure has been established by Iran on our border, threatening our citizens, growing stronger before our very eyes, awaiting the moment when the land of the Ayatollahs becomes a nuclear power in order to bring us to our knees. And make no mistake - we won't go down alone. You, the leaders of the free and enlightened world, will go down along with us.

So today, here and now, I am putting an end to this parade of hypocrisy. I don't recall such a wave of reaction in the face of the 100 citizens killed every single day in Iraq. Sunnis kill Shiites who kill Sunnis, and all of them kill Americans - and the world remains silent. And I am hard pressed to recall a similar reaction when the Russians destroyed entire villages and burned down large cities in order to repress the revolt in Chechnya. And when NATO bombed Kosovo for almost three months and crushed the civilian population - then you also kept silent. What is it about us, the Jews, the minority, the persecuted, that arouses this cosmic sense of justice in you? What do we have that all the others don't?
In a loud clear voice, looking you straight in the eye, I stand before you openly and I will not apologize. I will not capitulate. I will not whine. This is a battle for our freedom. For our humanity. For the right to lead normal lives within our recognized, legitimate borders. It is also your battle. I pray and I believe that now you will understand that. Because if you don't, you may regret it later, when it's too late.

@Davidylan,

My last post to you on this thread because it is obvious you are confused. See my responses to your incoherent post below.

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Afam, you accuse me of knowing next to nothing about world affairs? How laughable because this post proves exactly the same is true of you! Dont say others know nothing simply because you yourself are ignorant (and no sir, i have not reached the zenith of knowledge, and i am not in college but grad school!!!!).
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Grad school or even primary certain makes no difference to me as far as you are concerned.

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- The issue of Isreal vs Lebanon is not about oil! What on earth is your point? To let us know you once worked in the oil and gas industry? And does that automatically give you a better view of world affairs? I think not!
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And where did you get the oil part in the Israel vs Lebanon? Who is discussing oil as the cause of the problem? Don't you have any shame? Must you even manufacture non existent issues and state them as though they existed?

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What is the correlation between OIL, USA and the present Isreal - Lebanon conflict? Is oil the reason sept 11 occured? Is oil the reason terrorists attempted to bomb several aircraft in the UK yesterday?
In case you are not aware, the US and Canada have one of the world's largest oil reserves that are presently not being tapped as at present!
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The first two lines do not deserve any response as you are desperately clutching at anything you see you make a point here.

I warned you not to venture into things you do not know before, now you have exposed your crass stupidity on this. US and Canada have one of the world's largest oil reserves? You must be a complete blockhead to even write this in the first place. Take time and learn on issues you do not understand.

Further explanation by me on the largest oil reserves, where they are located, the dirty crude vs almost sulphur free ones will expand your knowledge and certainly I will prefer you continue to display your ignorance to helping you out.

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Oh the coffee issue is stupid complaint right? It's not your fault, how can you know better when you hardly see the interior of an aircraft. only those who actually fly frequently are qualified to comment on that issue not armchair journalists.
Imagine not being able to take your laptop on carry on luggage, hand luggage has been reduced to using clear plastic bags. No toothpaste, shaving cream, make up. Absolutely nothing all because of some stupid bombers. Dont forget the long and thorough searches at airports, even before this you were required to take off shoes, belts, coats and every single thing out of your pocket, only God knows what will be done next!
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I may hardly see the interior of an aircraft but I would want to believe that you may never be able to fly as much as I have done in my lifetime even if I choose never to enter an airplane again.

I advice you to face your studies lest you fail woefully and resort to crime. Goodluck with your blind and very incoherent arguements.

Kaecy5,

No sir, I did not get it wrong, you are narrowing the issue of prisoner exchange to a single individual which is not correct, which infact is what I call propaganda and avoiding of the main issues.

Even if Hezbollah wants Kuntar freed, Israel will never agree to such demands and no right thinking nation will either.

It is called negotiation and in negotiations you start with the highest requests so that when compromises are reached you still get something out of it.

The crime Kuntar committed is heinous just as the Israeli killing of innocent civilians regardless of the excuses unless the killing of innocent civilians by Hezbollah can be excused as well.

The killing of innocent ones is bad regardless of the person, group or country doing it.

Take care.

@Debosky,

Sorry, I missed your post.

Hezbollah did not ask Israel to leave Lebanese lands after they killed and kidnapped 2 soldiers, they asked for prisoner exchange.

You do have thousands of Lebanese in Israeli jails and many of them have never been tried just as we have the US doing at the Cuba facility.

Now, I do not support the killing and the kidnapping of those soldiers, I am totally against the level of response by Israel.

What have they achieved now? About 7 soldiers killed and 2 abducted, today losses in Israel is over 120 and over 90 of them are soldiers, does this make sense?

@Nilla,

I once stated that you have a lot of time trying to explain things to Davidylan. He thinks he has reached the zenith of knowledge yet he is still in school, he echoes what politicians say and yet expect those statements to be statements of fact.

How someone can opine that deporting arabs will be a good thing forgetting that if arabs choose not to sell oil to the US, the US will lose more than the arabs will lose.

People are complaining about Iraq and the disregard of human life there but they have easily and conveniently forgotten that Iraq never witnessed a single suicide attack before the illegal and criminal invasion of that country by Bush & co.

I believe the world will be a better place to live in if people genuinely want to live in peace, not the double speak of the US whose foreign policy towards the Muslim world in general has even been criticized by some Christian Americans who choose to support what is right and damn what is wrong.

@Old glory & Davidylan,

This is a classical case of kettle calling pot black. What is the difference between you two and the terrorists you condemn? Nothing but for what you choose to believe in because the hate and mindsets are the same, the thoughts processes are the same, such myopic and narrow minded thinking come to the fore.

About 24 British muslims have been arrested abi? Are they all arabs?

You complain of not being able to take coffee in the plane, what stupid complaint is that? Is taking coffee more important than the injustices out there in the middle east?

Davidylan simply knows next to nothing about world affairs. Who needs each other the most?

Do you imagine that the US can do without the arabs and their oil? Put on your thinking cap.

On the other hand, the oil in the middle east can be sold to China, Japan etc and in fact if the arabs decide to turn off the tap as regards oil getting into the US, in less than 24 hours the US will be in deep trouble.

I have worked in the oil and gas industry (Exxonmobil and Shell) before so do not even attempt to bring in useless parameters about the dynamics and politics of crude oil.

Try to discuss on issues you have a clear understanding about, don't jump into anything you feel like jumping into as you may end up exposing yourself for just who you really are.

You may laugh but the bitter truth is that until Israel withdraws from seized lands there is no stopping what some of us call terrorism, I am inclined to call some of them freedom fighters or resistance organizations.

Might shouldn't translate to right.

We can have peace in the middle east if all the parties want peace or we can have war just as we have people playing politics with other peoples lives.

Give Palestinians Lebanese lands? Very intelligent and wise suggestion. Maybe someone needs to collect the computer you are using right now and give it to a mad man on the street.

What has the escalation of the conflict achieved? Nothing tangible unless for the senseless destruction of lives and properties by the 2 sides.

I am sure Israel underestimated the strenght of Hezbollah in the first place otherwise Israel would not have taken the steps it took.

It is a known fact that many civilians from Lebanon and Palestine are in Israeli jails many a times without any trials or can you arrest a suicide bomber without the person blowing himself or herself up?

Unfortunately, many have taken sides based on religion which is a shame.

Let Isreal go back to pre 1967 borders, let Palestine be granted statehood and let us hear the reasons for the so called terrorists activities in the world.

From Osama, the president of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas to even Saddam accused of paying money to the families of suicide bombers, the reasons are the same, Israeli occupation of Arab lands.

Without addressing the root causes of these issues even as early as 1900s the world will continue to watch while innocent lives are being wasted on a daily basis.

You can never have peace without justice and fairplay.

Well, as events unfold, the world will realize that force will not achieve anything regardless of the weapons used because the issues on ground are fundamental and have a lot of emotions attached to them.

You can hardly defeat a people's army in a war of any kind unless you are willing to kill everybody.

I will repeat what I have stated before, the solution to the problem is for Israel to withdraw to the pre 1967 border, grant Palestine statehood and seek to truly have peace in the middle east, not just Israel helping the US to achieve its own selfish aims and objectives in the name of spreading democracy.

Even the Red Cross is attacking Israel, which goes to show that Israel's strategy ain't working.

Israel through its wrong strategy quickly moved from a postion of being the attacked to being the aggressor based on the high rate of civilian deaths recorded.

Even based on statistics, about 63 out of 95 dead in Israel were soldiers but how many Hezbollah fighters have been killed when you look at over 700 deaths in Lebanon?

Decisions to end wars are usually taken on a round table (or square one sha) so why don't we sit on the table first instead of fighting?

As regards prisoner exchanges, unfortnately, those that specialize in twisting facts have narrowed it down to a single prisoner when they are asking for over a thousand prisoners, how convenient.

There can never be peace without justice and fairplay.

Let me have the questions again, I may have missed them.

As for your lies, I have lose count.

Davidylan,

I guess you are one of those people that believe that Nigerians living in Nigeria are worse off compared to some of you outside Nigeria.

Your deranged mind tells you that Nigerians watch NTA for news even with the proliferation of internet access and free to air cable antennas where any home could afford to watch satellite stations even with less than N3,500.00, one time fee.

I gueess your level of intelligence tells the whole story. Face your studies maybe when you are done things will be a bit clearer for you to understand.

By the way, your answers to my questions reminded me of Bush making a speech, repeating lies over and over again until people start believing some of them to be true.

I guess you always get to benefit more from these exchanges as you don't seem organised and yet you claim to understand what's going on.

Your response on the seizures of lands by Israel simply makes it obvious that you are a religious bigot blinded by hate.

Oh, you were and still are against the war in Iraq? Based on what? Are you protesting against Bush or what?

I find it difficult to understand how someone like you will object to the illegal invasion even though you have it on good authority that Saddam was killing, executing, using chemical weapons against his own people.

Do you really have any set of principles that guide your thought process or do you just support anything based on your mood?

What are your reasons for opposing the illegal invasion of Iraq?

Do not bother about giving reasons for supporting the on-going on in Lebanon as you are simply not making sense.

Mariory:
lol davidylan I admire your patience in this situation. I fear you are wasting your time with these so called "unbiased", "fairness wanting", "justice seeking", "peaceful" people.

I doubt if you will ever seek for justice, peace etc in your life time.

Mariory:
If the arab militants and extremists in Syria, Lebanon, Iran and the Palestinians put down their weapons, there would be no more fighting.

But for Iran, the other countries have had their lands seized by Israel and they are trying to get their lands back. Iran supports them just as the US supports Israel.

Mariory:
If the Israelis put down their weapons, there would be no more Israel.

Nobody can wipe Israel off the map, the comments of the Iranian president notwithstanding. Slowly but painfully, the major players are realizing that a political solution will be better than a military solution.

Mariory:
Another interesting fact. More people have died in Iraq from suicide bombers in the last two weeks than in Israel and Lebanon combined.

Very interesting point you raised there. Now, before the illegal invasion of Iraq by US and of course supported by Israel Iraq never witnessed a single suicide attack.

Infact, Iraq has never killed any American but for the gulf war before the illegal invasion.

Iraq had a christain (even with less than 3% of the population in Iraq) as the second most powerful man in Iraq.

So, what brought about the suicide bombings in Iraq today?

It is convenient for you to point out the suicide bombings but not convenient for you to point out what led to the carnage in that counrty today.

And why has the suicide attacks continued inspite of all the US military might in Iraq? Remember that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Maybe when the current conflict between Israel and Hezbollah goes to a very bad situation you will equally state that suicide bombers are in Lebanon without stating why the conflict got to the level it may get to then.

@Davidylan,

Thanks for posting the news item from NYT but the 2 reporters were reporting from Jerusalem and Gaza City so I would not want to believe everything they wrote as they could be feeding us with what they want us to know and not what we should know.

Always remember that "Every message has a creator and unless you understand the creator and the motive you can never understand the message"


My sincere advice to you is this - take your studies serious, make good use of the free education you currently enjoy and stop arguing as if you know it all otherwise it will be too late for you to realize this when those you try to defend will make nonsense of your arugements by stating otherwise.

Try to read more on Intellectual Stubbornness, it will help you.

@Others,

Solving the problem does not have to be from the time Hezbollah was created, we must objectively answer the following questions

1. What does Hezbollah want?

2. Whose interests do they protect?

3. How did they come into being in the first place?

4. Do we really have any reasons why they should still be in existence today?

Yesterday Israel arrested the Parliamentary Speaker of Palestine, they have arrested a lot of ministers in Palestine before now. I wonder how many people will just relax and watch when our ministers and senators are arrested by camouroon and kept in jails in Cameroun.

I wonder how many of us will relax and drink coke when our relations and friends are rotting in many Camerounian jails.

These are the reality on ground. Those currently in jail are not suicide bombersw else they would have detonated themselves at the point of capture.

The US is seeking for a cease fire now because it seems obvious that what they expected never happened. I am sure the US and Israel would have believed that a swift and quick action would have brought Hezbollah to its knees but again we have seen a group (Hezbollah) that has the support of the people and it is always very difficult to defeat the peoples' army.

On CNN, I have seen very old women carrying Hezbollah flags and shouting God bless Hezbollah, a catholic priest stated on CNN that his people do not have a choice than to rally round and defend the country, in other words, the profile of Hezbollah has risen, the encounter thus far has shown that Israel can be fought.

Do we really want peace in the middle east or are we interested in extending the double standards of the US policy to the middle east?

The truth of the matter is that a democratic middle east will be disastrous for the US and they have contributed a lot to the current hate game.

Democracy brought about the current president of Iran, the current government in Iraq, Hamas in Palestine, Hezbollah ministers in Lebanon and if elections were to hold in the next 6 months, Hezbollah will simply win just like Hamas in Palestine.

Exporting democracy to places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia will see the US lose out in its parasitic strangle hold it has in the oil producing areas of the middle east.

Let every country fashion out a way to live, this idea of the US exporting and forcing its way of lives to other nations just won't work.

The native americans were living a very peaceful life until the present occupiers came, slaughtered and took over their lands.

The aborigins in Australia were slaughtered and today we have invaders running the country (remember Cathy Freeman that won the olympics gold medal in either 100m or 200m? That is how the typical aborigin looks like but we have foreigners incharge of that country today).

They did the same thing in South Africa where less than 10% of the population (all foreigners) introduced apartheid and tried to justify it.

My dear, you can never have peace until you have justice and fairplay.

@Nilla,

News had it that Hezbollah crossed into Israel and kidnapped 2 soldiers.

However, I am waiting for Davidylan to explain what he meant by Hezbollah killing 3 soldiers when they kidnapped 2 as failure to clarify such statements would amount to a deliberate lie.

Kaecy5,

My idea of a solution in the on-going conflict? Let Israel go back to the pre 1967 borders with its neighbours, create the state of Palestine and let outsiders on both sides stop interfering with the internal affairs of Israel, Syria, Palestine and Lebanon.

Now, on Hezbollah, I think its important for us to know that with current war in Lebanon that Hezbollah's profile has risen based on the mistakes on the part of Lebanon.

Before the start of the hostilities, almost all the christians in Lebanon did not like the Hezbollah even though Hezbollah has 2 ministers in the Lebanese government which basically makes Hezbollah part of the Lebanese government with the support of the people and believe me this current war has made even those that disliked Hezbollah to now rally round them as the only ones that can save them from Israel.

What is the stand of a christain who dislikes Hezbollah but has lost friends and relations from Israeli rockets and bombardment? Get my point?

Hezbollah started the current conflit by kidnapping the 2 Israeli soldiers but Israel by its level of disproportionate force has gradually moved from being the victim which it ought to be to being the aggressor based on the level of carnage and destructions in Lebanon today.

Of what use is the sharing of flyers for civilians to flee before an area is bombarded? Flee to where and how?

Let us look at the statistics and see is progress was indeed made.

2 soldiers kidnapped and probably alive
Some prisoners asked to be released in an exchange deal
Israel prepares for major and comprehensive attack in a bid to destroy the capability of Hezbollah
Today, over 600 dead in Lebanon and over 70 dead in Israel

If wars are usually ended on a round table why go through the unnecessary deaths in the first place?

Someone stated that Hezbollah's charter officially wants the destruction of Israel but how did Hezbollah come about? Wasn't Hezbollah a direct consequence of Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982?

If you want to cut down a tree you don't cut down the branches, you go straight to the root. The same way we should expect the issues on ground to be resolved based on the root causes of the hatred that keeps increasing everyday.

The following link should help us get a somewhat information about these people in question today - http://uk.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761575008_8/Israel_(country).html

Only God knows when the current "excercise" will end.

Regardless of the justifications, innocent people are being killed and there seems to be no end in sight.

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By BENJAMIN HARVEY, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 55 minutes ago



JERUSALEM - Hezbollah's sophisticated anti-tank missiles are perhaps the guerrilla group's deadliest weapon in Lebanon fighting, with their ability to pierce Israel's most advanced tanks.

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Experts say this is further evidence that Israel is facing a well-equipped army in this war, not a ragtag militia.

Hezbollah has fired Russian-made Metis-M anti-tank missiles and owns European-made Milan missiles, the army confirmed on Friday.

In the last two days alone, these missiles have killed seven soldiers and damaged three Israeli-made Merkava tanks — mountains of steel that are vaunted as symbols of Israel's military might, the army said. Israeli media say most of the 44 soldiers killed in four weeks of fighting were hit by anti-tank missiles.

"They (Hezbollah guerrillas) have some of the most advanced anti-tank missiles in the world," said Yossi Kuperwasser, a senior military intelligence officer who retired earlier this summer.

"This is not a militia, it's an infantry brigade with all the support units," Kuperwasser said.

Israel contends that Hezbollah gets almost all of its weaponry from Syria and by extension Iran, including its anti-tank missiles.

That's why cutting off the supply chain is essential — and why fighting Hezbollah after it has spent six years building up its arsenal is proving so painful to Israel, officials say.

Israel's Merkava tanks boast massive amounts of armor and lumber and resemble fortresses on tracks. They are built for crew survival, according to Globalsecurity.org, a Washington-based military think tank.

Hezbollah celebrates when it destroys one.

"A Zionist armored force tried to advance toward the village of Chihine. The holy warriors confronted it and destroyed two Merkava tanks," the group proclaimed on television Thursday.

The Israeli army confirmed two attacks on Merkava tanks that day — one that killed three soldiers and the other killing one. The three soldiers who were killed on Friday were also killed by anti-tank missiles, the army said.

It would not say whether the missiles disabled the tanks.

"To the best of my understanding, they (Hezbollah) are as well-equipped as any standing unit in the Syrian or Iranian armies," said Eran Lerman, a retired army colonel and now director of the Israel/Middle East office of the American Jewish Committee. "This is not a rat-pack guerrilla, this is an organized militia."

Besides the anti-tank missiles, Hezbollah is also known to have a powerful rocket-propelled grenade known as the RPG29. These weapons are also smuggled through Syria, an Israeli security official said, and were previously used by Palestinian militants in Gaza to damage tanks.

On Friday, Jane's Defense Weekly, a defense industry magazine, reported that Hezbollah asked Iran for "a constant supply of weapons" to support its operations against Israel.

The report cited Western diplomatic sources as saying that Iranian authorities promised Hezbollah a steady supply of weapons "for the next stage of the confrontation."

Top Israeli intelligence officials say they have seen Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers on the ground with Hezbollah troops. They say that permission to fire Hezbollah's longer-range missiles, such as those could reach Tel Aviv, would likely require Iranian go-ahead.

@Debosky and other people that have complained about name calling

I wish to point out to Debosky & co (especially those that asked Afam to stop the name calling) that what they have done in asking me to stop the name calling is basically the cause of the problem in the world today - double standards and hypocrisy.

Instead of apportioning blame to those that started the name calling it becomes very convenient to ask the person that responds to direct personal attacks to stop, how simplistic.

Go back to the root of the name calling and point out where I abused anyone if not in direct response to a personal abuse.

Make no mistake about it, there are people in this world that do not take prisoners, they pay back in kind and in full.

There are a lot of important issues to discuss as against name calling but that does not deny me the right to respond to anyone that abuses me all in the name of maintaining sanity here.

I am sure my name calling can be narrowed down to davidylan and Mariory but it is equally important to point out who started the name calling.

You can never have peace without justice and fairplay.

A better approach would have been for you guys to ask those that started the name calling to stop not asking those that responded to stop.

@Davidylan,

Common sense they say is not common. What's your point? Did I touch something that hurt you?

So it is all about selfishness? So, because you wait hours at train stations other innocent people can be blown away to pieces?

You are a total waste of resources, any money spent in training you should have been used to feed a monkey in any zoo.

Yes, I am in support of MEND acquiring any weapons as long as they are fighting a just fight. It is people like you that do not see anything wrong in anything unless you are directly affected by such things.

I am on my knees begging you, stop exposing your low level of reasoning. So, you believe Qana is collateral damage and WTC is not? Let me have your reasons (if any).

That I should say that to the American? What for? I care less if you sweep their roads or wash their plates over there, I am discussing issues that cut across regions, countries, religions etc.

Me? Go back to check your posts? I am not that crazy. I simply saw the one I referenced because the post was short.

The last time I read a long post by you, I nearly cried for you for displaying such a low level of understanding of the issues on ground.

I will rather count the number of white vehicles that pass the road than go search for something you claimed you had stated earlier.

I am sure you won't be able to find what you claimed you stated if asked to do so because you have stated a lot of rubbish on this forum that you will find it difficult to even recall your own statements.

What really amounts to collateral damage?

I needed to bring this issue up again as it seems the killing of innocent civilians now amounts to collateral damage.

But my question is this, would the world accept that those killed by suicide bombers are as a result of collateral damage since it could be argued that the suicide bombers do not know the targets one on one and that they were interested in destroying say the supermarket, the bus or a market?

Infact, the 911 incident comes to mind in this regard. Plane hijackers seized and flew airplanes into the WTC, Pentagon and an ill fated one headed for the White House.

Is it not correct to say that all those that died on that day were victims of circumstances and that the hijackers were only interested in destroying the structures and not killing the people. In fact they may only be guilty of taking their own lives and those on the airplanes they hijacked.

Trying to see if theories that are applied when arab targets are the issues will readily be applied when Western or Israeli targets are the issues.

NB. Those that cannot think critically or see in 3 dimensions should please read and move on rather than attempt to muddle things up on the issues raised as regards collateral damage, thank you.

The chicken is surely coming home to roost.

First, Davidylan stated that he does not support the killing of innocent ones. A statement that is confusing coming from someone that states he does not care if Israel blows Lebanon away.

Second, Mariory now admits that we have extremists everywhere while trying to justify a statement about Israel not giving a damn about civilian targets.

Common sense should have made it clear to the writer that in the same vein it is not everyone in Iran (even with the statement the president made) that wants Israel wiped out just as it is not everyone in Israel that agrees that civilians are legitimate targets.

If only people would have the patience to think through their positions without rushing to the keyboard.

This thread is really worth the time spent on it as it has shown us what the typical Nigerian can do in any given circumstance.

He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool but he who knows not but knows that he knows not is a wise man.

Davidylan and Mariory, it is not too late to stand by the truth, stop playing politics with other peoples lives based on their race and religion.

I hope you two get to learn a thing or two from your participation here.

@Nilla & Medube,

Honestly, you are wasting your time arguing with Davidylan and Mariory because they will never allow the hate they have for muslims and blind and total support for US and Israel to see things the way they really are.

I believe every country should be allowed to own weapons including weapons of mass destructions if a single country thinks it has the right to own one.

Either the whole world rid itself of nuclear weapons or let countries acquire them, at least that is why we have seen relative peace between India and Pakistan since they both joined the nuclear race in less than 2 weeks sometime in 2000.

As for the Palestinian Israeli issue, the problem will reduce when Palestine is granted statehood and then they will have the right to acquire weapons legally and if they choose to fight it will be a fair fight, not suicide bombers vs well equipped army.

You can never have peace without justice and fairplay.

@Nilla,

If well meaning people leave the thread in the hands of peddlers of hate ideology and truth twisters, the situation will be worse off.

Ultimately, truth shall prevail. Just some couple of minutes ago an inquiry set up in Israel to investigate the qana bombing stated Israel thought the building was used by Hezbollah, a building that housed refuges. This is coming from Israel and here you have shameless liars trying to twist issues.

Trying to explain the obvious (as regards what brought about Hezbollah) to Mariory is a hard one in my opinion as I see a totally brainwashed human being using this forum here.

@Mariory & Davidylan,

While I agree that discussion forums offer a good opportunity for sharing of information I hope you realize that a discussion forum can never be a substitute for real education.

Keep exposing your level of reasoning which in fairness to you is ok sha.

Davidylan,

And the Western nations that are against cease fire are? Name them if you have the guts. Name the countries that have objected to the ceasefire.

It seems you don't have a mind of your own, you swallow anything you hear from CNN.

Coolmanlg has posted an article but instead of you to read and digest you start displaying your ignorance yet again.

So, they released videos of the planning of the attack on 911? Na wah, and the locations on the videos are, ? Iraq, Saudi Arabia, US? My friend stop wasting the energy that God gave to you.

I am sure if Bush annouced that Hitler is still alive you will swallow it and defend it like you are busy defending statements that are hollow.

Have you wondered why no single jew was at the WTC on 911 even when a lot of them worked there? Who am I kidding? Asking you such a question will amount to waiting for water to naturally go uphill.

Please, learn to your use brain to critically analyse issue before commenting on them.

So that is why the US is after Osama, where is Osama today? Alive or dead? So, after 5 solid years Osama could not be dealt with but countless number of lives have been wasted and are still being wasted all in the name of fighting terrorism.

I would have raised a lot of issues but when I remember you won't understand it does not make sense.

@Mariory,

The issue is not Iran, you may choose to clutch at anything to hang on to your warped sense of judgement but it won't help as you desperately trying to bring in any parameter you can lay your hands on to make a single valid point in a straightforward issue.

Lies often require many lies to keep them alive but truth comes like a solid rock and does not need so many supporters for it to stand.

Davidylan,

Keep changing the goal post.

For starters, I never would want to be where you are today or even in the next hundred years.

So you know how importatnt it is to focus on issues and not personalities? Wonders shall never end.

Doubt if I am christain, I care less what you think because going by your statements I am not even sure you know what to believe.

You are interested in the explanation or justification for taking innocent lives, I am not.

It is bad for any innocent person to die for what he or she does not hand a hand in.

If you agree that the killing of innocent ones is bad, what then have you been arguing all along?

The world agrees and have made their positions clear that Israel is using disproportionate force, in other words, killing over 600 people majority of them civilians in response to the Hezbollah attack where some Israelis were killed and 2 soldiers kidnapped is just not right. Only Israel, US and I think one other country thinks otherwise.

As for every christain praying for Israel right now, I am not blinded by such blanket commendation of heinous crimes against innocent ones by Israel to overlook the excesses we are witnessing today.

Learn to call a spade by its real name and it will be well with you.

Davidylan,

I keep maintaining that half knowledge is very dangerous, keep exposing yourself.

Unless you are both blind and stupid I wonder how you missed my position which I have stated over 5 times on this thread that the killing of innocent ones by any person, group or country is wrong.

Maybe your minset has tuned your thoroughly biased system to believe that any comment against the level of response (which by the way resulted in a lot of civilian casualties) by Israel, means support for Hezbollah.

I really pity your level of comprehension.

@Mariory,

In your lifetime there is just one thing you will not be capable of doing - rising above religious bigotry.

The death of anyone should not bring smiles to anyone's face, maybe it does to you but it is understandable.

Fundamentalist? I knew that would be your conclusion because anyone that does not agree to your hate idealogy becomes a pro Hamas or pro Hezbollah.

FYI, I am a practicing christian, not the type you may claim to be because we do see people everyday that dine with the devil at night only to claim christianity in the morning.

@Mariory,

Go ahead and discuss Hezbollah and Hamas as it is very clear that your defence of the killing of innocent ones in Lebanon is just lame and silly.

You don't set the premise for any discussions, it is not about what you want to discuss, it is about what is worth discussing.

I honestly believe that you are a religious bigot and the only difference between you and a terrorist is what you believe in, not how you arrive at what you believe in because it's basically the same thought process.

@Mariory,

Unless the meaning of hypocrisy has changed, I wonder what you are talking about here.

Why would I not expect israel to fight? That is the problem with people like you, as long as one disagrees with a single point you go ahead and assume anything you want to assume.

Israel reserves the full rights to fight back especially against those that do not want them to exist, but in doing so, the onus lies on them to attack, maim or kill the enemies, not innocent civilians.

If you find the statements above difficult to comprehend, that's your own kettle of fish.

What's your two previous posts about? Do you imagine I go through everyone's posts here? Once I notice that someone is making baseless claims and discussing off point I don't waste my time on such posts.

I do not support the killing of innocent ones by any group.

@Emeka83,

Those that talk about disproportionate response may be scumbags but believe me they have minds that are better and more organised than your thoroughly confused rantings here.

Making contributions on a discussion forum is not by force, you can read and learn if you have nothing to contribute.

Funny enough in reality it is people like you that will faint when you hear the sound of a gun let alone fight when it makes sense to do so.

@Kaecy5,

Thanks for your post. Honestly, it is very hard discussing politics or issues bordering on religion or race without being sentimental, subjective or totally biased.

I hardly engage people on such issues because you can correctly predict the direction the arguement will go just by knowing the person's name or his/her religion.

It is also sad that those of us that believe that Israel is wrong in killing innocent people are now seen as supporting Hezbollah. How stupid and simplistic that some people can be.

Only shameless liars will not condemn the killing of innocent ones by both sides. It is even bad when Israel is more or less waging war on a country (Lebanon) when they tell the world that they are after Hezbollah, what manner of explanation is that?

For sustainable peace to be achieved, we need to see genuine concern by spectators and sinserity of purpose by the active players.

Let Israel release the lands it seized in 1967 and then let the world see the next excuses for resistance groups (I refuse to call them terrorists because one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter) to attack Israel.

Or, let the Palestine be granted statehood just as Israel is. At least with Palestine as a nation, they will have the right to import arms just like any other country is doing, then if the 2 nations decide to fight let them do so soldier to soldier, enough of the disproportionate use of force in the middle east.

I do not believe in peace at all cost because I always fight for my right. Those who make peaceful change impossible will surely make violent change inevitable.

Take care.

@Davidylan,

You are simply intelectually stubborn and believe me, half knowledge is very very dangerous.

I have seen many in my lifetime that feel they know better than the rest but when put to test they don't can't find their bearing.

This is a discussion forum where we share ideas, discuss issues, agree or disagree with people.

The moment you feel you know it all, want everyone to agree with you, disagree with anyone that does not is the day you start showing the world how empty you really are.

Again I maintain, the killing of innocent ones by any one, group or country is wrong and should be condemned. We do not need justifications for qwrong doing, we want people to avoid doing the wrong thing rather than doing and later justifying or apologising.

@Davidylan,

There is a saying in my place that "if you know where you took your bath, you should look for your towel there"

I will not slit your skull and put my words into your head for you to understand straightforward and clear statements.

Conitnue to wallow in self deceit and politics.