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nex:
@Afam


Facts are sacred and they always stand the test of time. Lies never last!


Mr. Afam, I really did not set out to oppose you and your "glaring" facts, I'm just saying that there are cases where the estimated bill is less than the actual consumption. However, now that you clearly want some opposition, I'll ask what the METER MAINTENANCE CHARGE for a 1 Phase meter is. Then what's the FIXED CHARGE for a 1 Phase meter.

Add the MMC + FC and then multiply that by your 26 months, then subtract it from N2,500. Whatever you get left, divide it by N6.50 and that will  give your consumption of power in kWh. Please let us know what that figure is. it is most likely in the negative.


Well, since you say that your current billing has been hovering around N300 and N450, that's an average of N375 per month. Multiplied by 26 month, we'll have a bill of N9,700 over the past 2 years. So how really do you manage that N2,500 over two years for your 1 Phase pre-paid meter? Enlighten us please.


By the way, when I say that people complaining about estimated bills are just helpless children, I meant those who refuse to complain and straighten out their bills, not people like you and I who are ready to take up any errors with the PHCN head on.

The accumulated meter maintenance charge for the 26 months gets paid for when recharging so I agree that the total cost which was about N5,000.00 including VAT should have been added (even though this was paid after 26 months at the point of recharging the meter) only God knows how they calculated it but since it was about what I envisaged I had no problem paying it. The important thing here remains that the actual cost of electricity during this time was less than N2,500.00.

Clarification

I live in a house and I have an office. I thought that should be clear enough considering the fact that I had written about prepaid meter (office) and regular monthly bill of about N350.00 (house). Just to clarify so that there will be no misunderstanding.

netotse:
1.your situation is the exception(heck if i didn't know of you i'd say you were lying, i still find it hard to believe). correct me if i'm wrong, you aren't using a fridge or an air conditioner, infact all you use is prolly only illumination.

What a silly conclusion. I guess I depend on you for cold drinks or you constantly supply them whenever I have any need for them. There are energy efficient freezers (not just fridges) so stop displaying this type of silly reasoning all in the name of arguing.

netotse:
2.how many nigerians are aware of the term energy efficiency not to mention practising it sef? better still, how many PHCN officials know the term?(sad abi?)

Not my business.

netotse:
3.to my knowledge, they simply cannot afford the costs associated with sucha venture, it's the same thing with the water bill, how easy do u think it is to walk up and down streets er'day? how much are they being paid sef? (is i said in a previous post, i am against estimated billing o!)

the fact is that the average nigerian is extremely wasteful when it comes to using electricity(i'm sure you agree with the foregoing) and i'm sure that's what nex had in mind. If we have to estimate, then it should be done properly, i.e. taking into cognizance the appliances the consumer has in his house, PHCN doesn't do this(frankly i think it's either because they're too lazy or it's the square pegs in round holes thingy).

Another pointless argument. PHCN actually have a unit that handles meter reading and most times they are contracted to outsiders who do the actual job or whenever convenient use estimate depending on what makes the most sense to them.

netotse:
the oga was merely conjecturing, based on past experience(which he prolly has a lot of), as i've stated before, you are an exception and if things were considered from a statistical viewpoint, then your case wouldn't matter, because it's a drop in a pond. I can only imagine what the lecture was like for him, i'm sure you've been told before sha, you have a way of making it seem like you're condescending when you argue(dont know if thats the right word) as in, at times i imagine you having a look of disdain on your face as you type.

you're right, it's wrong to compare a 3 phase bill with a single phase bill.(i'm ashamed to say i really have no idea what the diff is btw having a single phase or having 3 phases supply in your house)

I am really not interested in any silly conclusion you have about what I say or how I type. But one thing is sure, I detest idiots who rather than focus on issues would spend time focusing on personalities.

netotse:
the problem with having your meter read every month is the frequency of trips required, bringing the bills is only once a month, but having the meters read in addition to dropping bills, would require an additional trip, thus increasing the strain on the workers, which ideally should lead to an increase in pay.

PHCN's problem should not make a paying customer pay more than necessary otherwise it becomes fraud.

Learn to stick to the issues on any thread you get involved in.

Shoot2Kill:
Nairalanders are chickens, how can cowards start a political party

How many of the people here are ready to reveil their identity and criticize acting thief jonathan in public?

How many of you here can openly citicize the government?

how many of you here has the balls to threaten the government with violence?

Yeah i thought so,cowards!

Do not generalize as some of us here use our real names and basically everything about us are out there in the public domain.

I can state here that if you have good reasons to criticize the government based on facts that you can do so without problems, however many people think that criticizing the government is all about insults, rumors and baseless accusations.

SapeleGuy:
May their souls rest in peace.

When will this government begin to make employers provide safe systems of work for Nigerians.

As individuals we owe it to ourselves to work in a safe environment even if neither the government nor the employer wants to provide the safe working  environment. We cannot continue to blame the government for everything.

I once refused to go to an offshore platform even when I had gotten to Eket from Lagos and insisted on undergoing the water survival training (my expatriate boss wasn't happy about this due to the cost though) because I found out that there was no functional communication equipment on that  platform.

My colleagues were shocked and told me I was playing with my job and I told them that my life is 100% more important than the job as the company would have you replaced once you died out there even before announcing your obituary.

So, personal safety is our own responsibility.

nex:
When the Kanti Bello senator asked her if she had not been cooking for Turai, he didn't mean physically boiling rice or preparing peppersoup. He meant that she'd been Turai's agent.

Did Kanti Bello tell you this? It is easier to cast aspersion on someone than it is to back up anything.

sjeezy8:
udieze we know idiots like you dont use their brains and like to have wars because you cant think your way out of situations.

[size=13pt]US applauds fast Goodluck moves[/size]

Nigerian acting President Goodluck Jonathan has consolidated his grip on power, easing a political crisis that fanned fears of instability in Africa's most populous nation, a senior US official said on Friday.

Assistant Secretary of State Johnnie Carson said Washington was encouraged that Jonathan was moving on electoral reforms, anti-corruption efforts and peace outreach in the restive Niger Delta, the centre of Africa's largest energy industry.

"I think he's done a very good job of consolidating his authority and reassuring all segments of the community," Carson, the Obama administration's top diplomat for Africa, said.

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ABUJA (Reuters) – Britain and the United States offered support to Nigerian Acting President Goodluck Jonathan Friday after the return of Nigeria’s ailing leader prompted fears of a power struggle in Africa’s most populous nation.

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[size=13pt]European Union commends Jonathan [/size]

Acting President Goodluck Jonathan today received the support of the European Union which commended the way he has handled the country's affairs at a difficult period.

In a statement released in Brussels from the office of the Vice President and High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy at the EU Commission, Mr Jonathan was lauded for his efforts at fostering stability in the nation. The spokesperson, Catherine Ashton, said, "the EU encourages the efforts of Acting President, Goodluck Jonathan and the government of Nigeria to foster stability in the country and sub-region." T

The Union acknowledged the challenge and the current uncertainty in the nation's political process, and commended the will of the Nigerian democratic institutions to remain faithful to the principles of democracy, responsible governance and the rule of law.
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Real shame. So whatever the US or EU says makes more sense than what our own people say?

This is the highest level of inferiority complex being displayed by the poster. This is really disgusting.

nex:
Anybody complaining about estimated bill is just a helpless child. If you know how to read your meter, you'll know when to go to the closest PHCN Office to  their estimate. Estimation is not primarily to charge more. It is to conserve labour. I know someone whose bill has been estimated for more than 3 years, but recently his finances improved and he consumes more than 10 times the electricity he used to, but even with the estimation, once in a while, the PHCN comes around to read the meter just to make sure their estimate is not off the mark.

Your logic is fundamentally flawed for the following reasons

1. After I insisted on actual reading my monthly bill was hovering between N300.00 and N450.00 per month for years.

2. It is almost impossible for PHCN to give a customer a monthly estimated bill of N300.00 or N450.00 and as such any estimation would amount to robbery.

3. If PHCN wants to conserve labour it should not be at the detriment of the paying customer who may consistently consume far less than what they are being billed for.

So, instead of opposing things for the sake of doing so I will advice you to respect facts especially when they are glaring.

Less than 2 weeks ago I asked PHCN what it would take to convert to a 3 phase meter and I was told that I needed to pay N55,000.00 for the meter and since the meters are not readily available they will be providing estimated bill until the meter is installed.

I asked them to give me an idea of the estimated bill and the oga there said about N3,500.00 per month. I told him that the less than N2,500.00 I recharged the last time lasted for 2 years 2 months and he was like it was not possible and I took time to lecture him about the many advantages of energy efficiency.

N3,500.00 x 26 months = N91,000.00 and yet for the same time period I spent under N2,500.00 even though it was for a single phase.

There is no justification for estimation considering the fact that it is the same distance and energy that those who bring the bills would cover by coming to read the meters.

frosbel:
The moment you mention that you are a Nigerian, by default no one trusts you.

I disagree with this. Such generalizations should not be allowed to go unchallenged.

I have companies and individuals from different parts of the world wanting to go into one form of business relationship/partnership or the other and I am not only a Nigerian I am based in Nigeria.

Over 60% of the online scams out there are being perpetrated by the Western countries and I find it hard to understand why the relevant authorities have not been able to emphasize on this fact.

frosbel:
These are the same saudis that have very close affiliation with Yaradua and family.

Saudi Arabia is a known sponsor of international and state sponsored terrorism.

Nigeria needs to be aware.

You fail to state that Saudi Arabia is a close ally of the US or doesn't it matter as long as it is the US?

slap1:
@Beaf. Noted. @Marvix. The bolded makes no sense. Why would someone pay a SUPRIZE VISIT to the PRESIDENT? the reporter's backside needs a cane.

Thank God say the journalist no claim say Soyinka just appeared and disappeared on Jonathan. A whole president? Maybe they think seeing him is as easy as knocking on the door of your flatmate.

naijamini:
@okunoba & @Afam
This thread has generated some interesting responses - for the better. I see your main points, but please also keep the following in mind:

1. Life and nation-building is not all about getting rich. Personal satisfaction is paramount. What can happen if progress is measured by how much money, by any means possible, is what we see in Nigeria today. We all know that teachers are among the least paid of all professions, yet are, perhaps, the most important to the future development of a nation. The main reason is that teachers' services are not measurable in terms of money, while taxi drivers', bankers', etc are almost immediately obvious and can be priced.

2. It is good to talk about how much taxi drivers make, but you also have to talk about their costs. For example, most of those driving taxis/buses in Nigeria do not own these vehicles and operate under very exhorbitant repayment plans. It has also been pointed out that this is a long-day and risky job, that leaves not much time for much else, unless you own your own vehicle. Start-up costs are high, and there is only so much room in the taxi-driving market.

3. You mentioned contributing to society below. Note that one of the reasons that a taxi driver gets to keep a lot of his money in Europe and America is by avoiding taxes. That is certainly not contributing to society. I am not calling taxi drivers dishonest, just pointing this out. The European and American societies in which it is possible to drive taxis or do other jobs and build a good life were built on law and citizenship.

4. Finally, it is one thing to take up taxi driving with a Masters or PhD degree due to a lack of jobs in your area of study, due to your specific circumstances, or because it is more profitable, but that is not the way it should be. Your skills should be used to build your nation up. It may be that some would contribute more through taxi driving, but if a nation is ever going to lift its people out of poverty this cannot be a general proposition.

The dignity of every legal work should be recognized, - taxi driving, doctor, teacher, banker. That is what is going to get Nigeria to the "promised" land.

Returning to the original topic of this thread, perhaps the question should have been this: Why do taxis drivers feel the need to brandish their credentials to passengers?

I am sorry but I think you are shifting the goal post here.

The main crux of this thread was to know if the claims made by most of these taxi drivers are true and I believe that quite a number of us have been able to provide information on this for the reading public to draw their conclusions.

If you are allowed to shift the goal post anytime an issue is resolved then trust me we will be on this thread answering questions till next year without any end in sight.

Ukavwe:
@Afam i don't think u are in 9jar if u are u would not oppose my point of view, and as for de meter how many times have u seen a meter reader in your area reading meters from house to house, well as for me in delta state they don't read or even check if de meter had been tempered with by an unauthorized person all they do is just come drop de bill and go most ppl don't even have meter not to talk of reading it.

I am in Nigeria and don't have any plans of leaving Nigeria for anything.

Now, it is your duty to ensure that your meter is read and if it means going to PHCN to follow up on that so be it.

It is the style of PHCN to give estimates as against actual bills because they make more money that way.

I have severally refused to pay my bills anytime they are based on estimates as I made it clear to PHCN that if they can send someone to drop the bill then they should be able to send someone to read the meter and after so many heated arguments and readiness to hurt anyone that disconnects my line they have understood my position well to the extent that at home my regular bill is about N300.00 - N400.00 and that is including the monthly meter maintenance charge.

Many Nigerians do not know their rights and majority of those that know their rights are not ready to enforce them that is why PHCN or pilicemen believe they have a right to intimidate you or make money from you.

My dear, it is your choice. Insist on the correct thing or continue to dash them money.

Afam:
Hmm, interesting thread.

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Ukavwe:
All of una no well, u guys don't even thinking of other citizen who are on minimum wage that take just #12k home a month u ppl are talking of business and other person who use generator, this is some of de reason while civil servant are corrupt today cos of ppl like u guys who don't care whether they live or die.

That person earning N12k a month could probably make more by farming or doing a laundry business or even selling recharge cards.

While you are at it why are you comfortable browsing the net when you could have given that money to someone who is poor? Are you really selfish?

dayokanu:
Afam, You dont need to say more than this.

I tell you ppl in the informal sector e.g Danfo drivers in Nigeria make more money than Bank Managers.

See their spending pattern at nights, weekends and for their concubines and any Bank worker who tries it would be a guest of EFCC

A decent tie wearing job that pays you #40,000 a month while a driver spends that on one night or weekend

When I tell people you can only get as rich as you want when you start or own a business and make money from it as you can make in an hour what you get paid every month as a salary earner they think I am joking.

I think the major problem is that some of us would rather believe certain things just to feel cool or justify our present positions.

Name any rich man in the world today and I will tell you that the money came from providing solutions to problems and in Nigeria we have many problems that could bring in massive money once you can provide solutions for them.

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debosky:
All these are good points, but you miss the prime point. Until we stop the MASSIVE WASTE of resources on self generating power, you cannot have meaningful economic growth in Nigeria.

Take Oyb for instance - if he has an extra 20k per month to spend on shoes, bags, etc, do you know how much economic growth that can spur if you multiply that across the board? There are millions of people like oyb spending 30k or more on fuel for generators in Lagos alone.

Una dey try with that type of wastage. I used generator for just one year to support my business (software & web development) when I realized that I may as well be working for the fuel stations as you simple take funds meant for the business and transfer same to the fuel stations.

I sought for alternatives and ended up building an inverter locally to solve my problem. That was over 6 years ago and the last time I used a generator in my office was somewhere between 2004/2005 and the cost of setting up the system including replacing the wet cell batteries before switching to deep cycle batteries comes to about N30,000.00 per year to provide electricity backup.

Anyone that can comfortably run generators year in year out in Nigeria has more than enough to setup a reliable inverter backup system.

Anyone interested in learning more may see www.justalternativepower.com

The major reason why we have a lot of graduates roaming the streets in Nigeria looking for jobs is because a lot of Nigerians believe that white collar jobs are the way out and in the process ignore many small scale businesses they can get into even with very small amount of money.

The average bus driver in Lagos has built a house and those that are not very organize spend a lot of money on drinks, parties, women etc. And these bus drivers make sometimes more than 4 times what a typical banker makes and yet works at his own pace and can afford to take a day off unlike the office worker who can only do so when his/her boss says ok.

It seems that some of us are living in denial and find it supremely difficult to realize that those we look down upon may be earning what we may never be able to earn at the moment, this is understandable but will certainly not change the facts on ground.

You can make enough money by providing services to people around you and trust me in Nigeria every single problem is an opportunity to provide a solution and in the process make money.

~Bluetooth:
the agreement will be in the interest of one nigeria and not to favor a tribe against another which aburi was never about

And those that signed the Aburi Accord were stupid or what? Is it not ridiculous to note that most of the issues discussed, debated and signed at Aburi are still being discussed today only this time by people that opposed the position of the then Eastern region?

In any case, the point being made here was to demonstrate that a signed document is 100% better than a blank one considering the past experiences.

ezioyi:
Babatope that price is outrageous one Afam posted far lesser price 4 the inverter and the batteries .I prefer to deal with a person in PH,i could get in touch with him in case i run into difficulties,however if u are ready to bring it down to a reasonable price i may consider doing business with u

I don't know if the Afam referenced in the post above refers to me because if that is the case then the information provided does not reflect the fact on ground.

Our 5KVA inverter starts from N220,000.00 for the manual and N260,000.00 for the automatic.

The cost of deep cycle batteries we recommend to our client goes for N52,000.00 for a typical 12V 200Ah.

You may visit the website for more information at www.justalternativepower.com and reading some of the articles written on that website would help provide answers to some questions as well as ways to resolve issues that may most likely come up based on over 6 years relevant experience and 100% successful deployments of our locally built inverters - we don't deal on imported inverters.

mikeansy:
Does that not make it a potential scam?

Because Geo-Political zones after benefiting from it can simply opt out by dumping the PDP. Do you honestly believe that an agreement that more than anything may decide the future of 150million people should have no legal backing? Unexistent on paper.


That I think is a recipe for dissaster

By the way who and who reached that gentleman agreement and what were the provisions?

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And your claim of superior voting power for the North does not add up because as we have come to find out the minorities in the North and North Eastern states want to be heard too. They too can reach deals with geopolitical South to save their own interests. So politics is not predictable as you think.

Jonathan should send a bill on Rotational Presidency to NASS. If the NASS reject it, then PDP have no choice than to kiss the ridiculous policy goodbye.

While I support the rotational presidency thing I agree with the post above that for it to be respected that it should be enshrined in the constitution because anyone can discard it when it suits him/her.

Even Aburi Accord that was signed by all parties was discarded by Gowon let alone an unwritten gentleman's agreement.

The current tariff that my last payment was based on was N7.40.

Well, as long as you are using prepaid meter or that you insist on paying for actual there is no wahala as you get to pay for what you use.

The last time I paid before last week was Jan 16 2008 and during that time I had running battles with PHCN at different times who questioned the rational for not recharging often and I repeatedly told them that most of them are daft as their job was limited to making sure that the meter was not tampered with and that I was not using light illegally. I made it clear that with proper implementation of energy efficiency that even N10,000.00 worth of units could last for 6 years.

If care is not taken the next time I will be recharging may be in about 10 years time while they get to bill me for the monthly access charge.

If Nigerians were serious and took energy efficiency serious by now PHCN would have done more to generate more power as their revenues would have done down real good.

Why pay about N2,000.00 per month when you can crash your load and be paying say N300.00 to N500.00 per month?

naija_guy:


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bug24:
Mehn, i see dis prices and i wonda wot y'all say if u see wot dis guys in PH are charging 4 web designs. they hav spoilt d market here. placing large banners here & there WEB HOSTING/DESIGN = N15,000.00 guys, i'm tired of dis cheap spoilers.

The easiest way to run into trouble in business is to focus on price wars instead of delivering quality services.

Even though clients would want the cheapest solutions just remember that most times the quality of projects suffer and before you know it the same client that was looking for the lowest cost would not mind paying a lot more as long as he/she is assured of quality.

You don't have control over what others will charge (whether higher or lower) but you have control over the quality of projects you deliver. Focus on this and you will not be making a mistake.

Sky Blue:
If we can't rotate properly then why rotate at all? How would have measures promote better equity and justice? We could push for a more credible and thorough electoral process which enables the best man for the job to rise to the top, but rotation would be a better option? Why exactly do we need to rotate if we can't rotate properly? To satisfy who exactly?

Why stop at 250 ethnic nationalities? Why not propose every single clan or even nuclear family?

Why must we reduce serious issues to unworkable or impossible options just because we disagree with a position?

Rotational presidency remains the only workable solution today until we are able to resolve most of the problems that fuel the suspicion, distrust and desperation to hold on to power because it guarantees that no single region will hold on to power at the highest level for so long.

dem_people:
Lets not pay attention to those wimps. Left for me, the south should move on with the presidency till thy kingdom come and, it should be rotated between the Ndiigbo, Yoruba and Ijaw. I really don't know why people are sort of afraid of these Almajiris. Nonsense. People who have continually kept us in perpetual under-development for so many years.

Thanks for your response. It shows the major problem we have.

1. No one is afraid of anyone. We are just hoping that no crisis or war comes up.

2. Your post is the reason some of us claim that those who talk about wars or make suggestions that could cause crisis are usually those outside the country like you because in the real sense you will be insulated from the crisis when it comes.

Taxi drivers in the US make a lot of money and mind you they have access to real cash most of the time not credit card payments and lazy people of course cannot do that. There are people I know that work for at least 18 hours in a day and they are very comfortable.

Even in Nigeria, taxi drivers and bus drivers make so much money that most of them own their own houses and send their kids to good schools.

It is not about perception, it is about reality.

The funny thing is that human beings are usually looking for money where the competition is stiff while overlooking good money making opportunities around them.

They are not fabricating anything, a lot of them make a lot of money.

jookco:
Having leaved in Nigeria for more than 17 Years I have never been to the Northern side, but I know for sure that the South Have a bigger purpulation while the north   is biger only in Land or poverty.

If you have never been to the North as you claimed how did you then arrive at your conclusion?

mikeansy:
Iwu's removal NOT equal to electoral reform.

By the way, I don't know whether by Law the President can by executive power simply stroke out the INEC Chairman.

Nigerians should learn to be patient and prioritize so that we can learn from the past.
Iwu does not have control of all the thugs who misbehave on election day, its the politicains and ordininary Nigerians who make themselves available we must blame. Iwu does not have control of the police who choose to most times become complicit and favour the most connected and most money bag.

Nigerians around the country must be ready and learn to queue up patiently and vote just like the Anambra People did recently. These are things no INEC chairman will have control over. Nobody can claim to have the capacity to teleguide every Nigerian. Its up to us as Nigerians (whether you are an ordinary voter, a soldier, police, Judge, INEC official, corps member) to understand that the electoral process must be treated with the civility it deserves.

Has Iwu being a very wonderful public officer? NO

But let us not over simplify and trivialise a very serious issue. Removing the INEC Chairman alone is not enough to change our electoral fortunes. Our problems are more fundamental than that. We can hold Iwu to task and demand that he learns from his mistakes.

Well stated especially the last paragraph. I believe our major problem is that we often look at issues from the surface without doing any sort of critical analysis and thinking devoid of sentiments.

Sky Blue:
Correct me if I am wrong, but the bottomline of your post is rotational presidency should continue because it is the only way power would ever leave the north? I would politely disagree, I would say thesame effect can be obtained if the elections begin to shift from mere superficial noise making, to actual debates on the issues. How many people actually voted in the last gubernatorial elections in Anambra? Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the number in the few thousands? So we have an electoral process in which candidates don't debate or face the public, make vague promises like "i will give you light" without being challenged in an open debate, or any other forum that could actually test their convictions or the soundness of their strategy to move the nation forward; and on the other hand we have a populace that do not exercise their right to vote and then complain about the leaders selected when the process is all over, how on earth would that produce a more promising candidate? Rotation does not solve the problem which I assume most people at the end of the day really cares about (good governance that touches the life of citizens in every part of Nigeria). Rotation is a weak foundation and if it is to be done, why don't we do it properly and discard WAZOBIA politics? Why don't we rotate among the 250+ different ethnic groups? If the worst candidates seem to rise to the top every time, would it be illogical to propose revising the selection process?

As a realist I will continue to advocate for rotational presidency for now until we put a few important things in place.

Have you ever wondered why a simple task like population census cannot be sorted out without complaints where a lot of people from different parts of the country disagree with the results?

I don't know about it being the only way out but for now I think it is the only one that guarantees that no region will monopolize power based on the official census result and make up of the legislative arm at the federal level (both house of Reps and the Senate).

Let us leave idealism out of this for now because even in the US people tend to be realistic. Obama just signed the health bill that people ordinarily thought would have been passed long ago.

Tippy Top:
Iwu has lost the confidence of the Nigerian population.
He's got to go.

I personally don't like him but we must begin to focus on results now otherwise we may continue to change people for the sake of changing them while the issues we want changed may never be changed.

An Iwu that will announce election results at the pooling booths will be 100% better than someone we don't know who may want to try out his/her own idea that may even bring about worse elections.

I believe in results not excuses and since he has started to deliver them I hope he continues.

Just like poverty, the hungry man in Sokoto is facing the same wahala with a hungry man in Enugu regardless of who the respective governors are or who the president is.

Likewise, these hungry men would not bother with the person in charge of their affairs as long as things are ok with them.

asha 80:
you honestly think the population of geographical north is larger than the population of geographical south?

In my opinion I don't think so but as at today we have an official census result and the number of elected representatives at all levels goes a long way to give an idea how any thing that is put to a vote will pan out in real life.

There are urgent issues we need to tackle like census figures, including ethnicity in the census etc before attempting to grab power that once it goes back may never come back as long as these basic issues are left unresolved.

Anyone advising Jonathan to run for president in 2011 will be doing the South a great disservice and maybe when that time comes we will begin to blame every other person but ourselves.