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KingAlabi:
So in other words LVG is a better coach than poch

Yet he didn't take us there

So why guys here think poch can

And I disagree that Giggs is better than ole

Ok

KingAlabi:
He also became an assistant manager

Are you a teenager if I may ask, you talk like a kid.

You are missing the point sha. You can't just transpose situations on each other. The Giggs situation was very different from Ole's situation.

Giggs managed for only 4 games and still got 7 points from those games. However the club wanted experience because of what Moyes had shown them so they went for LVG.
Giggs was LVG's assistant but when he was sacked the board went for another proven guy in JM.

Ole came in as the DNA candidate because by that time experienced managers had failed the club and Giggs was managing Wales already.

Ole was the only DNA candidate readily available and his early records deceived the board and many of us.

Godx:
How is giggs better than Solskjaer?

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KingAlabi:
Yeah very true
I get what your saying but ole was quite in a similar situation but prolonged and Pochettino was available at the end of the season

Different situations. Giggs was appointed 4 games to the end of the season and had 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss which was not bad. Ole was appointed midseason which enabled him to compile a good record over a number of months.

Also, after the Moyes debacle which was at least partially due to his inexperience managing a big club nobody wanted to risk an inexperienced manager like Giggs when LVG was available.

Lastly, Pochettino is not LVG.

KingAlabi:
But giggs managed man utd at a point but wasn't made permanent manager ??
Ole wasn't brought in permanently either initially.

You didn't understand what i typed. Giggs managed for just a couple of games at the end of the season.
The season ended and a legendary manager like LVG was available after performing wonders at the World Cup with a mediocre Dutch side.

Of course it was understandable that the board chose LVG.

KingAlabi:
And why wasn't he made permanent manager

LVG had just performed his World Cup master class and with his pedigree the board felt he was a better choice than an inexperienced Giggs.

It was the failed LVG and JM appointments that made the board decide it was not just about pedigree and CV and they decided to go with DNA instead.

It was all about timing and availability. Ole was available at the right time.

KingAlabi:
Some people they mention giggs, una don forget he once coached us

Giggs is better than Solskjaer but that is not even the point. It is not about getting any manager that is better than Solskjaer but about getting a manager that will take us back to the top.

You can get another average manager who is just a little better than Solskjaer and nothing will change. We need a really good manager and not just anybody better than Solskjaer. If not we will be wasting another 2-3 years only to get back to the same position.

Joezinho:
I said it before and I will still say it again. Most of the dudes here are modafvcking hypocrites!!!

Once you criticise the coach, the likes of doc and co will criticise you and call u anti United fan.

Nitrogen has been the only one criticizing this Scandinavian fraudster but they always come for his head.. Make una shut up abeg.

Since nobody can criticize pogba, martial, rashford and the other dumb mofos in the team without you guys acting like say una even get 0 shares for the club.

All of us will suffer this heartache together na. Stop the wailing and enjoy what you hyped!!!

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raumdeuter:
My main point is that any party in power can just change the rule anyway they want

The electoral college is based on human population, what if the republicans having a majority decide its going to be by land mass and Give Alaska more and New York less. Or even decide it will be by number of cattles

It is not that way. Electoral college is based on articles of the constitution as well as constitutional ammendments.

Changing such a constitutional product as the electoral college would require 2/3 of both Senate and House of Rep AS WELL AS ratification by 3/4 of all the states.

You now see how hard it is to change ?

raumdeuter:
That will be a dangerous path to tow. So you change long standing tradition to favor you? Then anytime the republicans get the majority in the future they also increase it to 15, next democrats increase to 19 next republicans to 23. Is that not an invitation to anarchy?

If that is the way you think they will approach it, then senate currently seeing that republicans will lose California state can reduce California electoral college point and increase Alabama to 70 electoral college point

You see where I am going. If every party start changing laws because it doesn't favor them

They can’t change electoral votes that way. It is based on population and entrenched in the constitution. No way can they give Alabama more votes than California.

donjazet:
You both still don't get my point.
The number of Supreme Court justices being only 9 is not a constitutional law but simply a tradition. One that can simply be altered by congress. As a matter of fact, there were once 10 Supreme Court justices in the 1800's. If the republicans ditch their honor and pick a conservative justice to replace RBJ, nothing will stop the democrats from increasing adding at least two Supreme Court justices to the bench to make it 11 once they regain the majority

I get your point. But they are not going to try that.

If FDR who was arguably the most popular President at that time and was doing it for a worthy cause (I.e push his New Deal reforms through the courts) could not succeed in increasing the number of justices what makes you think anybody would succeed now?

Then there is the problem of ever increasing number of justices as each party increases the number once it is in power. Before you know it there are 863 Supreme Court Justices. Lol

timay:
Na Tuanzebe own vex me pass, his last injury was gotten on a pre match warm up. He hasn't come back till then. Las las, they won't renew his contract , and they will free him by 2022.

I suspect Mengi has surpassed Tuanzebe in Solskjaer’s thinking.

Oasis007:


Dr. Jones sha..... LMAO! No sane Club would bid for him.

Someone that should be writing JAMB to finally go and formally study his medical degree.

Nezzjnr:
Please link abeg

MUTV

Under-18 about to play. Would be interesting to see who gets the nod out of all the attacking players in the squad.

Skimpledawg:
Baba, ignore them.

My only sincere concern is how my Edo brother joined the experts in foolishness.

Some of your guys bitch too much.

If you don’t like a style of trolling just ignore it instead of lamenting all over the place like an egbere on heat.

Nobody here has done half of what Taofeek, Sege, or your transgender friend have done on our thread.

I generally ignore them instead of crying about it like many of your peeps are doing here.

Expert17:
Egungun be careful.

Quality intellectual discourse that will lead to dragging of family.

Kwantinue

Hehehehe.

donjazet:
I know that the president makes the nominations. I'm saying that if the democrats win both the presidency and the majority on both houses, they can increase the number of supreme court justices from only 9. the last president who attempted this was FDR. If moscow mitch succeeds in making it a 6-3 conservative court, democrats will have little choice but to increase the number of supreme court justices when they win the majority.

If a god-like figure like FDR couldn’t succeed in doing it despite a rallying cry of social reform you think any Democrat would attempt it now?

It would be an obvious case of trying to stack the court and the public backlash would ensure its failure.



Not going to happen.

donjazet:
If the republicans do this now, nothing will stop the democrats from flooding the supreme court benches when they win the majority. That will be the only way forward for them.

That is not how it works. The Senate Majority can’t just flood the Supreme Court when they choose. The power to influence the composition of the court lies with the President.

The President makes the nomination. You can’t confirm someone not nominated by the President.

And he can only make a nomination if a justice dies or resigns.

No matter the majority a Republican President would just keep on nominating conservatives until one is confirmed and a Democrat would keep on nominating liberals until one is confirmed.

So a majority is not as significant as you would think.

Roland17:
You are right on the money..It’s funny because Mitch said the direct opposite when Scalia passed and election was around the corner. Infact, Schumer used his direct words against him.
The Supreme Court is already tilted towards the conservative ideology with the recent appointments of Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

The Republicans apart from being lucky to have had more Presidents than the Democrats in recent history (hence more Supreme Court appointments) have also appeared to play the Supreme Court game better.

They will definitely try to push a nomination through before the election.........just in case Trump loses. That would be crazy cos it would mean Trump would have appointed 3 justices in 4 years.

Leyqute:
Liverpool didn’t sign Jota to be a starter. If United just won the league, has all positions filled, and then signs players like Jota no one would bat an eyelid.

Thank you. People are not thinking critically.

The needs of Liverpool as a defending EPL winner and recent UCL winner with an established starting front 3 are different from the needs of United as a struggling Top 4 team with a poor goal scoring record and no RW in the team.

Liverpool needed a rotation attacking player, we need a starting RW player.

eph12:
How many metrics did Rashford, AWB and Martial top?

If you lead significant stats like goals and assists that has more weight than the obscure stats Fred was leading in.

The same way all heads are not equal all stats are not equal.

Rashford led in goals and assists. Martial was joint top in goals and 3rd in assists.

Fred was the only only non-defender to end with 0 goal and 0 assist.

Unless you are Xavi Hernandez making 95 passes per game with 95% pass accuracy you can't be a serious midfielder and end up with 0 goal and 0 assist.

It is what it is.

weedtaker:
With the above, and the way I understand your post. I can now say that Herrera (2016/17) was better than Kante (2016/17) .

Ok.

weedtaker:
Your use of whoscored and stats overall in your ratings.

you think Herrera is average and not good enough but think Kante is world class.

especially 2016/17 season. you were of the opinion that kante was several levels above Herrera despite the stats and who scored proving otherwise.

Okay let me humor you.

Application of stats in comparing players requires a good level of understanding.

If you want to use stats to compare a midfielder to another midfielder you are able to use detailed stats such as tackles, interceptions, average passes, pass accuracy, assists e.t.c to get a more accurate assessment.

If you want to compare defender to defender you can also use tackles, clearances, interceptions, blocks e.t.c

However if you are comparing a full back for instance to an attacking midfielder or a striker using stats it becomes difficult and the only stat you can use is the average score because the parameters used to assess them would not be identical i.e you can't compare the goals and assist numbers of a striker to that of a full back.

eph12:
Defenders and players sitting in front of the defenders are expected to have more passes and better accuracy for obvious reasons.

And no, Matic didn't have a better pass accuracy than Fred in the league. In fact nobody with more appearances than Fred had a better pass accuracy. In case that's still not clear, not even the defenders

So after going through about 20 stats Fred tops 1 or 2 of them and automatically he should have been player of the season?

Rashford's goals kept us from sinking before Bruno came. Bruno came and took over.

IMO AWB shutting down one side of the defence had a significant impact on our improved defensive record. There was a spell in which teams just stopped attacking down our right side.
The guy is ugly on the ball but 1v1 i gats salute.

Fred is just the latest in a long line of overrated United players like Herrera, Rojo IMO.
I remember when some here were calling for Rojo's inclusion just because he gave them 2 months of eye service.

After Fred plays 1 full season of decent football i will believe in him. He is not Pogba or Martial that can correct 4 months of mediocre football with 4 months of world class performances.

weedtaker:
Herrera vs Kante 2016/17 sir.

How relevant is this to our debate about our player of the season?

eph12:
I mean there are so many other things to look at, but what purpose will that serve? Apparently only those scoring the goals or doing the assists are relevant today. I shouldn't forget the tackles too.

But, only AWB and Matic has more tackles than him in the team and Matic played more less football than him. Should we talk about the interceptions too?

Matic made more passes, had a higher passing accuracy, was dispossessed less, and had more assists.

Matic also had more tackles, clearances, blocks, and was dribbled FAR LESS.


Try again.

eph12:
In the whole team, Fred was top 5 in average passes and successful passes. If we remove the defenders, he's easily top 2. Key pass he's top 4. Fouled, aside the attackers, he's top 2. Bruno, Rashford, Martial all have more bad touches than Fred. Surprisingly all the said top performers are more dispossessed than Fred per game according to whoscored. I'll just stop here

In the EPL Matic averaged more passes than Fred, averaged a higher pass accuracy than Fred, was dispossessed fewer times than Fred, and had 2 assists to Fred's 0 assists.

Try again.

weedtaker:
you were talking goals and assists na. I'm not comparing Fred with anyone, you were talking about goals and assist that was why I mentioned Kante.

The Fred I saw with my eyes was one of the best midfielders in the league before lockdown, and mostly everyone agreed with that.

I asked that what is Fred good at that should make him get higher ratings than players that do the most difficult thing in football i.e score and create goals.

If he is not scoring or creating goals at least he should be winning tackles or making interceptions like Kante and Ndidi.

Or he should be controlling game with 90 passes and 90 percent pass accuracy like Xavi.

Or at least he should be press resistant and able to pick the ball off his CBs while facing his goal and initiate play like Thiago.

What special skill does Fred have to make him win awards meant for players that actually make significant contributions to the team.

Expert17:
-Fred and Rashford season ended early(in terms of performance ) around January.

- AWB DEFENSIVE performance throughout the season was great.

Simple. I am not an AWB fan but he maintained his defensive performance for much longer than Fred.

Immediately Bruno came in January and Matic regained fitness Fred just fizzled out.

AWB maintained good defensive form until the last 4-5 games of the season.

eph12:
So we'll say though he was one of the top 4 performers, his performance prevented some of the others from outperforming him?

He is a defensive full back. There is little or no room for such in modern football. especially with the way wing forwards are meant to play. That is the point.

The team would play better as a whole with an attacking RB who even though he might be inferior individually to AWB would fit the system and improve our balance of play better. That is the point.
If you can't understand this then i can't help you.

weedtaker:
And yet you the champion Kante lol.

Let us compare Fred's tackles per game at his best to Kante's tackles per game at his best.

After that let us compare Fred's interceptions per game at his best to Kante's interceptions per game at his best.

Players who run around like Fred e.g Kante, Ndidi, Gueye were topping the league in tackles and interceptions, Fred was topping the league in dribbled past per game.

It is just that i am in a good mood. I would have said Fred was the Hidden Hazard of central midfielders. All shakushaku no action.

But i am in a good mood so i won't say it.