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mzilakazi:
SA textbook-free and paperless classrooms. The very first in Africa.



http://www.southafrica.info/about/education/paperless-education-14115.htm

South Africans still remain the second dullest brains in the world
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NaijaPikinGidi:
Something to ponder upon and a further proof of the biased, unethical and poor ethics in journalism that is the hallmark of western/foreign news media! This is the BBC for you ... caught between a rock and a hard place trying to speak from both sides of the mouth. However, the key point here is that 2000 people didn't get killed in Baga! Impossible. In deed, this is a weak attempt by the BBC to appear to be credible ... following our NA's strong rebuttal and statement of the actual number of casualties in Baga.

#BagaTogether

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-30794829

Oga Shaun sir.

BBC has been made to look like a world class fool by Nigerian army.

Bwahahaaha

Awon oyinbo ti di olodo loju gbo gbo agbaye !
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mzilakazi:
Green berets are also known as the US special forces dummy!!!

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Australian Green Berets are always Australian. You can have Soweto Green Berets named as such if you wish, the difference is that name Australian before the words Green Berets.

Nigeria has SBS and Britain has SBS, the difference is the name of country attached to the SBS....you dummy !!

mzilakazi:
This assertion was confirmed by the chief of NAF himself. So, argue with him not me.

He said PGM you dummy, F-7 has no PGM but has AAM. I see you don't know the difference. Olodo
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MikeCZAR:
Otomat missiles expired. Aradu dead.

Citation needed urgently
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Patchesagain:
Somebody hasent heard of the french intervention in Mali

1 sentance = argument destroyed

You just proved me right, Mali tried to fight terrorism and was defeated.

France did NOT fight alone in Mali, it was French army + French air force + Chadian army +Chadian air force + Malian army + Nigerian army + Nigerian air force COMBINATION that defeated terrorists in Mali.

Your brain is short circuited
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Patchesagain:
Is the SAN only composed of frigates?

What about the subs, minesweeps, warrior class et al?

Joker

SAN will use it's only surviving submarine as OPV to run around gulf of guinea and wreck the engine with overwork? One of your submarines was dead for 7 years in dry dock just to replace battery
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RM786:
I have read them please just quickly break down or give clear answers to my questions

I should repeat the same answers to the same questions being asked by every new South African that arrives on this forum? You guys pay me for my valuable time or what?

I am NOT gonna waste my precious time to answer every new South African that comes here asking the same old 100 times repeated questions that his other Southies asked and were given detailed answers.

I have 7,000 answers/comments posted here, so click on my user name and find answers to all your questions, if you cannot find them, you are either very lazy or simply not intelligent
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RM786:
author=agaugust post=29792455]

Official numbers are official numbers.

In Nigeria it is illegal for the NA to hide casualties
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Hello there Agaugust

I haven't posted in this forum for about a year now have even forgotten my username I was using then. We were discussing capabilities wrt Otomat vs Execot and their launch platforms at the time, SAN frigates vs Nigerian frigate, but then I got ended up just going to the pub instead. I'm glad you have lost non of your passionate fire in the interim.

1. Which NAF jets are those exactly you refer to?

2. No doubt all technical performance details for the PL-9 are classified as it is with any other weapons system. The "unofficially obtained" figures of 90% successful engagement rate sure does sound impressive, but under what testing conditions how were these attained? Relying on surface controls like canards, rollerons and ailerons for stability/maneuvering (no thrust vectoring capability from exhaust nozzle) they are seriously compromised in engagements with fast moving targets able to detect them, perform evasive manouvres and deploy counter measures.

Seeing as the equivalent products produced on a relatively shoe string budget by indigenous SA companies (no need to worry about changing political climates as they have in house production capability) have demonstrated 100% success rate in internationally observed trials a claimed 90% success rate doesn't sound so good to be honest.

3. Illegal for the NA to hide causalities, so they have the same constitutional requirements of 95% of the worlds armies... do they have the same watch dogs in place to make sure they adhere to those rules? No not a chance, not even close, what would happen to a whistle blower in Nigeria that revealed something putting the authorities in a bad light and embarrassed the government?

4. Only 1 frigate working? Last time I checked 1 was in refit, 2 operational- ie either on patrol or ready for immediate deployment at full operational capability, the other ready to be deployed at full operational level on short notice if required.

5. I have to take my hat off and express genuine admiration and respect for Nigeria with how they handled the Biafra situation and despite America's best efforts to manipulate things to suit their agenda of expanding their empire (using many "humanitarian NGO's" yeah right, they were sneaky bastards) you guys did well there, well done. It wasn't portrayed in a popular light by the western propoganda/media at the time but it was the necessary evil required to achieve the greater good. So don't buy Chinese hardware(missiles, ships, whatever)! Why do you think SA turned down USA's offer of F-16s- way too many strings attached.

6. Not good form to criticize RSA for helping in CAR. At least they tried to help and actually did contribute something positive towards the well being of the local populace. Nigeria did nothing and they are right next door!

If you can read back pages of this forum from June 2014 to January 2015, you will find answers to all your questions
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patches689:
And the difference between your war and the ones you listed above - in those wars the insurgents didnt hold towns and cities, they didnt move around in massive formations, they didnt have APC's and such. The COIN war is over - the low intensity conventional war has begun

If France becomes surrounded by Islamic nations like Chad , Niger Republic and North Cameroon, and when France has has 90 million Muslim citizens like Nigeria, they will find 1,000 radicals that will hold a town by mixing up with civilians, then the French army will not able to use force or raw air power so as not to kill the innocent civilians mixed with terrorists.

Show me any country in this world with Nigeria's Muslim population and neighborhood fighting terrorism and doing better than Nigeria in war !

Mumu Domingo, brain empty of simple logic
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patches689:
face it, we will be coming to save you just like our navy will be patrolling your waters.

With ONLY ONE frigate, one same solo ship protecting South Africa's 3,200 km coast, at the same time patrolling Mozambique channel, patrolling Angola to Nigeria, and up to Ghana, covering the whole Gulf Of Guinea....LOL
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patches689:
no, there is no Australian unit with that name you child

Foolish old man, that is their nickname, Green Berets....

"Australian Commando berets are known as being "Sherwood Green" in colour. The corps badge on the beret is a black background and a gold combat dagger with the moto “Strike Swiftly" underneath the dagger.[4] The green beret is only awarded to a soldier upon becoming qualified as a Commando in either of the below Regiments.

1st Commando Regiment
2nd Commando Regiment. Formerly 4th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, a special forces unit of the Australian Army"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_beret#Australian_commandos
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MikeCZAR:
Do you know how fighter aircraft attack ships?

If needed you know, all your jets will be shot down.

I am the one who posted the last modern day jet vs ship war here from Falklands war records of casualties and losses.

Old school Skyhawk jets of Argentina sank British warships in a fleet that has SAM air defense.

When a navy has no air force protection it becomes a fat helpless sitting duck. NAF will sink SANs lone ranger frigate in 5 minutes and Mandela will have no navy anymore
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MikeCZAR:
Your Otomat missiles have long expired, besides you have no launch platforms.
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Citation needed
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patches689:
First, there is no such thing as the "australian green beret desert special forces", you child. And further - the west never offered intervention forces only assistance.

Second, yes then Cameroon will get help and the people of Cameroon will be safe - while your country burns.

This post by augubugug shows how overly emotional nigerians are - they have no sense, no logic. Did the English turn down American help during the war? Did Vietnam or North Korea turn down Russia? Did Angola turn down Cuba?

You are losing a war and you turn down help?

Fools.

Green berets is the common nickname for Australian special forcee you dummy.

Nobody helped Nigeria defeat Biafra, nobody is needed to defeat Boko Haram, American help did not defeat Taliban in Afghanistan after 11 years of NATO power show.

We are not losing any war with Boko Haram, Great Britain fought 27 long war with IRA terrorists, so 4 years against Bokos is nothing to worry about.

Nobody helped Algeria to defeat terrorists in an 11 year war and 150,000 Algerians died.

Nigeria needs NO foreign soldiers, we will continue to do things our own way.

Anybody with intervention desires can try his luck with Cameroon. Period !
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MikeCZAR:
1. Pakistan is no world power.

2. No French territory is in enemy hands.

3. BH isn't launching small scale 4 men attacks, they're openly attacking your army and defeating them.

Capturing your land.

4. Poachers are not fighting SA soldiers.

Pakistan is a nuclear power and world power.

France had it's capital Paris held to ransom and locked down by only 2 terrorists for several days.

Let 1,000 terrorists mixed among civilians rise up with RPG and heavy machine guns inside Paris and let's see French army compared to Nigeria.

France is a Christian nation and does not face Nigeria's threat level.

Poachers have been sitting down on SANDF owned portion of South African land allocated and gifted to your army by ANC government, the poachers don't even fear your army, they are freeling robbing and stealing and breaking law on army land

Your helpless army is busy with HIV treatment and cannot recapture their land from local hunter poachers.

patches689:
Eye witnesses say that there are 1000's of body's there, CNN, WSJ, BBC, AJ and RT are all carrying that story and running those numbers- so i believe them

With regards to 50 dead, Reuters also said 6 dead

"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all been shot. Their vehicles were also destroyed. Other South African soldiers came to recover the bodies," the witness told Reuters.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2013/03/24/six-south-african-soldiers-dead-in-central-african-republic-witness

The loss of 13 men in CAR is undisputed, their names and ranks have been released and no one disputes the number except one journalist whom ruined his career by sending dispatches with incorrect information.

You said you are quoting Retuers news of France, but your web link source is Times news of South Africa, are you craaaaaazy!
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patches689:
Official numbers are official numbers.

In South Africa it is illegal for the SANDF to hide casualties,

Official numbers are official numbers.

In Nigeria it is illegal for the NA to hide casualties
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patches689:
A sane human being would be thankfull that other nations are coming to his assistance.

But this fvcking ape still has the gall to spew his filth upon this forum?

Soon we will be patrolling their waters AND showing them how to fight wars

Get the gin and tonic ready, boy, your colonial masters will be taking up residence soon.

#SANDFIsComingToSaveTheHegemony

SANDF has 30 battalions of HIV Infected half dead soldiers, try save your dying army first
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MikeCZAR:
Your officers will get into the sea launch those missiles and torpedoes?

Your missiles are expired and have no launch platforms. Aradu is a rusty fish tank.

If two strike craft vessels backed 1 frigate and a replishment ship turned up in your waters, Nigerian navy Chief of stuff would be slapped by Badeh as your oil installations while oil installations are destroyed.

You navy Chief of stuff has no combat capable ships under his combat.

I proved other navies that bought Otomat same time with Nigeria are still firing their missiles to show the world they are not expired, I posted a Latino navy doing it here.

NAF jets will sink the whole fleet of SAN within 15 minutes and you have no navy from that moment.

1 frigate, no diesel, double trouble for SAN
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MikeCZAR:


You know engaging always leads to this.

Nigeria navy: ZERO frigates

SA Navy: 3 Frigates ready at any given time.

SAN has ONLY 1 Frigate alive, 3 are dead
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patches689:
If memory serves me right, your missile has an inferior seeker, is less maneuverable and is more susceptible to counter-measures. All these critierions combine to make ours superior.

Not to mention that ours also outranges yours.

And we arent even talking about the A-darter yet.

As I have said, the missiles have been compared, yours is inferior.

Memory serves you wrong unfortunately. Most technical performance details of PL-9C missile are classified by China, but the bottom line is that it's successful hit on target is 90%
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patches689:
And we completed the training and formation of our intervention brigade just in time too!!

Nigeria rejected intervention forces from world super powers including America, then Britain and the great Australian green beret desert special forces. so AU can go intervene in Cameroon that is begging for foreign help, they may accept HIV sick South African soldiers in Paul Biyas homeland
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mzilakazi:
DA calls for military intervention in Nigeria to help the weak Nigerian military.


http://m.news24.com/nigeria/World/News/SA-opposition-calls-for-AU-military-action-against-terrorists-20150114

Who will invite your HIV infected army to come pollute his own land with your incurable virus?

I will rather have Boko Haram menace than HIV and AIDS disease imported from South Africa in broad daylight
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mzilakazi:
NAF-7 cannot discharge any missiles as confirmed by the Chief of NAF.

You ever seen a missile armed interceptor that does not fire missiles? It is SAAF Gripen jet, it cannot fire it's missiles
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mzilakazi:
Nigerian Army is not even older than my grandfather.

Nigerian army is older than South African army, that's good enough, never mind your grandfather, don't mess up your family on nairaland
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patches689:
Because South Africa is a free and open country and international new agencies revised their numbers down to 13 once the SANDF (who they trust) released the names and ranks of the deceased.

This is another topic that is not up for debate - all reputable sources state that the casualties are in the 1000's

Reputable sources hiding in American and Europe cannot produce reputable data or information in a war zone 10,000 km away in Nigeria.

Since ISIS has been beheading white men journalists, which foreign media has ventured into terrorist battle zones?

150 people including Boko fighters died in Baga, that remains the ONLY reputable information from a reputable source from the battlefield, and that is NA DHQ.

Reuters is a reputable international European source and their journalist was on the battlefield of Bangui up to the airport where he counted body bags of 50 SANDF killed by Seleka, Reuters NEVER revised the numbers till today, rather they challenge SANDF report of 13 dead.

Bags death toll is 150 and no other reputable source exists with boots and legs inside the battle field.

CASE CLOSED !
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MikeCZAR:


Your military is failing to use conventional tactics pushed and smash BH in Baga?

Inside your land?

Pakistan is a world power and gets terror attack in Pakistani land.

France is NATO big power and gets terror attacks in Paris on French land.

Where do you think terrorists attack people, outer space or on the moon?

Rhino poachers are having fun on SANDF's specially owned lands not just the generally tormented Kruger park, the special lands strictly allocated to SANDF has become a playground for rampaging illiterate Rhino poachers and your fvcking army and air force CANNOT stop them.
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patches689:
Nope - its propaganda

NA said their figure is based on photo recon by aircraft, yet they refuse to release the photo's

International Media and NGO figures are based on eye-witness accounts from soldiers and civilians whom were present
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/13/opinion/boko-haram-7-questions/index.html#


Thus, until concrete proof is give, eye witness accounts remain the strongest indication of the number of casualties - it may not be exact, but it is certainly in the 1000's

I remind you again - this all resulted from your FOB being over-run - you told us it was insignificant, it was in empty desert, so you did not need to hold it. You said it was strategy and tactics - but the fact of the matter is that the FOB was a VITAL instillation protecting a major town and strategic point and you allowed it to be over-run with ease which resulted in the death of THOUSANDS of civilains and the destruction of over a dozen villages and towns!! There is no clearer proof of your military's ineptitude and incompetence - not to mention cowardice - than this entire saga

Tell us the names of the eyewitnesses and prove they were in Baga during the war to count dead bodies spread all over a whole town because Baga is not one street, it is a town.

In your South African university educational system, when you write a research paper for academic reckoning, anonymous and unidentifiable sources are superior to official reports from world recognized established institutions like Nigerian army and national defense headquarters, right?

Eyewitness report says 50 SANDF died in Seleka battle, yet you say only 13 died because that is the report by SANDF.

So how does SANDF report become authority but NA report is not?
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Patchesagain:
I have allready compared the missiles

Yours were found to be massivly inferior

Our missile is even faster than yours, vital in close combat WVR, your missiles are damn inferior
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Patchesagain:
Actually 2 if needed

And thats 2 frigates and one sub more than you

We have a navy

You have a coast guard

Nope, we have a navy doing coast guard duties because there is no conventional sea war in Nigeria.

No coast guard carries Otomat, Aspide misssiles, and torpedoes on ships, that is a navy
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Patchesagain:
[citation needed]

No need of citation, its all over this forum and Henrys photo thread splashed everywhere...2 stealth OPVs, 2 stealth MPVs , 60 stealth IPVs, many Shaldags, OCEAs, and the hundreds of Nigerian navy smaller boats all brand new.

Only a fool needs citation to prove that.