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saengine: us

Your small little head doesn't understand that the photo you used comes directly from this article. The article and the photo are inseparable. So once and for all, decide......either the whole article is true, or it is all lies. Meaning your photo is also lies. Here is your proof, from the mouths of our SELEKA enemies that we fought hard. Not ran away like you claim.

SA soldiers carved us up, say rebels
Stephan Hofstatter and JAMES OATWAY in Bangui | 03 April, 2013 00:44

https://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/2013/04/02/1012347_835617.jpg/ALTERNATES/crop_630x400/1012347_835617.jpg

“We fought very hard for one and a half days. They had very good weapons and very good fighters,” said corporal Mohamed Tahir of a battle in the capital Bangui that he took part in, which left 13 South African soldiers and apparently hundreds of rebels dead or wounded.

Several of those interviewed bore battle scars, including bandaged heads, feet and limbs. The rebels said the SA troops made it “very, very difficult” for them to take the town and sweep president Francoir Bozize from power. The fight put up by the SA troops was so ferocious he believed they were facing over 400 men – almost double the actual number.

“They had every kind of weapon that they were fighting against us with – heavy weapons,” said Tahir. “It was a very difficult battle. We lost more than half of the the men only in my unit of 500 men.”

Captain Amin Nodjokama described it as “big, big battle – it was very hot! It took a long time and the fighting was very heavy with a lot of dead and wounded on both sides”.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

Your Seleka boyfriend is admitting openly that he lost over 250 men in his unit ALONE. Now you still don't believe we killed hundreds of them. Hahahahahaha....again you embarrass yourself.

Msauza: Just check how the SA Boers defeated the British.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/anglo-boer-war-1-boers-defeat-british-battle-majuba

Msauza: FACT!!! Nigeria has never fought any country.

saengine: So let me just understand what you are saying. You are saying that the SELEKA commanders in that article that YOU took the picture from are lying? You're saying that those two commanders who have been mentioned by name don't exist, or they are making up the story about us fighting well. But at the same time you are willing to use the picture from the article that you claim is a lie to make your point. So everything about the article is a lie, except the part of it that you wanted to use....i.e the picture? Hahahahahaha.....what an embarrassment!! Show us a weblink of a similar picture from another source, otherwise that picture is also fake. Hahaha...wow, what a nice laugh im having

you did not pass high school final exams ? that post i made did not quote any source for the Seleka Gecko vehicle photo, how can you 'manufacture' a source for me and attach my name to it ? what kind of education do you have ? an over-rated south african school ?

Msauza: Dude, I have read on the newspaper that Bozize's government offered South African contingent military vehicles to use throughout the mission. By the way what do you call that kind of vehicle since I have never seen that in South Africa?

saengine: I told him he was incorrect. And you yourself are incorrect to say its used by special forces. It's almost exclusively used by our paratroopers to move around heavy motars.

saengine: I gave you a valid, well documented reason why SA developed the Rooivalk. Most of SA's well known weapons systems were developed because it was illegal to sell us arms. Now when you have no come back you reply with this nonsense. How sad.

saengine: Hahahahaha. What I love about this picture is that its taken from the article in which a Seleka commander cleary states we killed hundreds of their men, and fought very well. Explain that please agaugust? You claim we ran away, and yet the link you use quotes our enemy stating we fought bravely. You have shot yourself in the foot.

Msauza: Dude! You are your Pat on shoulder comes with nothing. Unfortunately, the vehicle above with Seleka rebel is not a South African military vehicle. Our Armies do not drive that nonsense.

CAMEROONPRIDE: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?121693-REQ-African-militaries/page42&highlight=bakassi

many pictures of African armies.

souldust: sorry guys for bringing this up. I just think it is insightful and we can learn one or two things from it.

The Ministry
of Culture and
National
Orientation
must mean
business.

zetdee: ....@kwame tut, a South African with a Ghanain mother.

drag_on: http://www.consultancyafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=614:south-africas-military-a-case-of-biting-off-more-than-it-can-chew&catid=57:africa-watch-discussion-papers&Itemid=263
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2129563.stm
http://www.refworld.org/docid/5126111c2.html
http://www.stratfor.com/other-voices/threat-hivaids-south-african-armed-forces
http://www.irinnews.org/report/94597/analysis-south-africa-paper-tiger-of-african-peacekeeping-operations
http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/nearly-half-of-sa-army-not-fit-for-combat-1.89664#.Ub72xqzjWko
http://www.bancabc.co.zw/news/air-force-pilot-who-%27borrowed%27-aircraft-is-charged.aspx

any answers?

saengine: And the point of this essay is what? To somehow convince yourself that the F-7 jet is not obselete by today's standards because it was made by the Chinese? If you want to live in a delusional world, then so be it. If this debate was taking place in the 1980's then you would have a fighting chance with regards to defending the honour of your F-7's. You'll be firing your missiles at who exatcly? Because any 4th and a lot of 3rd generation fighter jets would have shot you out of the sky before you even knew they were there. Buying the F-7 was the biggest mistake the NAF has ever made.

saengine: Which highly rated South African weapons were left behind in CAR? Do you know? No? I thought so.

NaijaPikinGidi: what will the AU's function be in an extreme situation whereby the Egypt vs. Ethiopia spat degenerates into a full blown war? Can the much talked about African Standby Intervention Force be drawn into taking sides in the conflict or being a third party altogether in the matter?

What could be the possible scenarios in the matter ... viewed along sub-regional lines or military alliances? How will continental counter-forces be aligned in order to inflame or douse the potentials of war?

NaijaPikinGidi: CraigB will call Chinese products substandard yet close to 85% of finished products in South Africa are sourced from or made in China. To Mr. SAEngine and CraigB ... stupid talk is cheap ... use the links below to see what China is to South Africa. Uninformed South Africans like CraigB continues to despise China yet he fails to understand that South Africa can't do without China ...

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-06-14-00-patel-makes-sense-of-chinese-rands
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/788287.shtml#.UcAvjJx5eIg
http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/jun/hisense-south-africa.cfm

I don't have to remind you that China is the big "C" in BRICS that SA recently became a member of. China was instrumental in the critical military supplies to ANC fighters during the Aparthied era. Just like South Africa's Indians.

My point is ... don't for any reason try to give China a second-class position when they are globally by far more advanced economically, technologically and militarily than most of Africa combined. Nigeria recognises the importance of bilateral partnerships and understands military economics better, hence we know what we need and from who to get our needs -- based on long or short term threats or national expediencies. When a rated missile from any Chinese made platform is unleashed ... may the heavens help any obstacle on its path.

CraigB ... I am terribly amazed at your empty comments here and I have every reason to believe that Mr. AndrewZA is a fairly better proposition for a South African debater on military issues.

To conlude ... PS:: Please check out the inner label on whatever you are wearing now and stop being in your stupid state of denial.

kwame tut: @Patriot4
ROTTEN ENGLISH AS USUAL, Spelling check "Bloody AGBERO/WHEELBARROW PUSHER from Lagos" this is a wrong spelling. Nigerian education system is producing dullards like u "dr Aparently".

Switch on the lights I can't see you PITCH BLACK AGBERO.

Hezron Lorraine: again.its either a win-win or a no-no on both sides.

saengine: Fool. Do you realise the Rooivalk was developed when South Africa was facing an arms embargo? We were not allowed to buy military equipment from America or Europe or anyone, so we had no choice to make it ourselves. And now it doesn't make any sense to buy a foreign attack helicopter, since our infrastructure to make more Rooivalk is available.

CraigB: Aaah! Nice revelation. So, in other words, the Russian AK47 story is Bolluks? Wow, thank you Donian007 for further discrediting your researcher.

If you go back a few posts, you'll see why he was told to go to sleep . He'd said the Russian AK47 and Rs are copies of each other. Lovely and thank you.

Now, he also said the Rs are being made without "copyright" (he said) - confusing copyright and patent law (some researcher in the land of "intelligent" people)

Now, your lovely "revelation" leads to a sweet little read about modified weapons that are manufactured under licence. What might those weapons be?

Thank you very much, Donian. I did say your fake researcher got his degree from a Naai-gerian university.

You, on the other hand have just become the hapless chap who's given the family jewels away. You proved your fake researcher wrong on all three counts.

What is it with Naai-gerians and fake credentials anyway? Fake credentials. Fake intelligence (proof being you right now). Fake achievements.



Oh before we forget, we haven't forgotten about the hapless Chinese jets that Naai-geria bought, which started the whole discussion in the first place. I see the boast around the jets has been abandoned. Rightly so, I say.

Hezron Lorraine: let's make use of what we have on ground now.let's say the invasion of SA waters is tomao.we should see how our system can fight back.

Donian007:
REVELATION! THE "R4, R5 AND R6 RIFLE"(SOUTH AFRICA) IS A DIRECT MODIFIED "IMI GALIL" RIFLE(ISRAEL). SOURCE: WORLD GUNS: ......

The slightly modified Galil rifle is manufactured by the South African Vektor Company, a division of the DENEL. Those models include the R-4(Galil AR), R-5(Galil SAR), R-6(Galil MAR) assault rifles, and are used by the South African Military.

Weblink: www.world.guns.ru/assault/isr/galil-e.html

saengine: Have you heard of economies of scale? Just because you can do it, it is still too expensive to make it locally (unless you had no choice to do so). Otherwise every country would be making their own products and there would be little trade. So you only manufacture products that you can produce cheaper than your competition and buy the rest.

so what economies of scale made south africa develop and manufacture for its own air force use a tiny fleet of 11 Rooivalk helicopters instead of buying from America or Europe ? and DENEL ran into heavy debt because of it

saengine: Many many countries have the ability to build ships.

saengine: You just keep disappointing people really. Many many countries have the ability to build ships, but don't have the ability to develop jet engines. You clearly don't have any engineering background at all.

CraigB: Do you even know what the difference is between a copy and a derivative?

CraigB: So, let's see:

Because both these rifles have a nozzle and a trigger, they've gotta be the same. Influence, yes. Copied, no.

Ok. I'm firing you from your place of employment as a researcher - this being my favour to your colleagues