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andrewza: That does not explian how the J7 radar will find them. With out that the engament range is down to the range of the IR seeker. The rooivalk has a very small ir signute due to the placement of the exhast. By the time a J7 gets in range it is all ready under attack from the valour and the rooivalk.

Not to menstion those air seach radaers will be of littel use vs a low flying aircraft or the valour frigats, you have yet to show how the you have not shown how the shore based radar are built to do much more than look for pirats.

saengine: ...

thanks for making my point clear, i said F-7 jets were alert but no need to fly until threat appears. my combat tactics was perfect, thats what is called 'scrambling interceptors on red alert', perfect tactics anywhere in the world of air power. clap for me, salute me my boy

your helicopters are too slow speed 309km/hr and need more time to find/target my artillery, once they take off they are seen by my 600km radar, our F-7 jets are too fast climbing 600 feet per second, flying 2,00km/hr, firing many missiles with speed 4,000km/hr, more than able to handle any threat from helicopters, your helicopters get shot down in less than 1 minute, you made mistake, admit it and s.hut up.

i did not change my tactics, i was alert, and i responded to a new challenge i was alert and waiting for. you changed your ship/helicopter ground attack location/distance 3 times. admit it, stop lying, dont you ever talk honestly in south africa ?

bring your Gripen jets along to nigerian coast because your valour warship has turned to aircraft carrier by magic. you really talk like a d.ullard, anyway you can ask your enemy France for permission to forward base your Gripen jets in Cameroon's airport

DictatorZAR: ...

1 metre = 3 feet, do maths 195 metres = 640 feet. south african education is inferior to nigerian education

is south african valour frigate now become a Gripen aircraft carrier ? you drunk with beer ?

my boy come back to my classroom or i will expel you finally from my school

DictatorZAR: Fool I don't need a job I create jobs for others. I don't need to go and live 3000km away and clean toilets in a foreign country then claim I'm in the defense industry just so that my mommy won't get a heart attack from me because I took her last pension money to travel to America.

Go back to your country and help your people or are you scared another cleaning scam would unveiled.

DictatorZAR: ..

South African valour frigate has only 8 Exocet missiles standard, and maybe extra 16 i just hope, do you want to use 24 missiles to find and hit over 500 artillery guns hiding behind camouflage and obstruction structures ? do the maths.

if you waste all south african valour frigate Exocet missiles trying to hit nigerian artillery, nigerian NNS Thunder, NNS ERINMI, NNS ANYAM, etc and NNS ARADU can come out and sink your valour frigates with superior heavy guns because you wasted your Exocet missiles looking for nigerian artillery guns you will never find from distant sea, how does a sea ships's radar find and lock-on to land based artillery guns and send Exocet missiles flying and turning corners around confusing land metal clutter, houses, huge building in the city. does your own Exocet missiles move like snakes twisting about obstacles in the bush ?

you did not come to my classroom for lecture today, see how you failed now

show us your strange source of all details about current capacity and operational use of all nigerian 3 satellites as at today june 2013.

also show us source to prove that south africa has any one functioning full size modern high resolution military satellite today

Fighter Pilot: Chengdu F7-NI is always prone to crush and of 15 that Nigeria has bought, 3 have already crashed. Namibia and Zimbabwe are also using those dinosaurs.

Fighter Pilot: I pity your education. Why can't you join the army and attend military academy so that you can be properly lecture about this things. That will really help you for sure and stop all that crap you have written above.

Fighter Pilot: Mapisa-Nqakula defends SA troops killing CAR child soldiers

Thirteen South African soldiers were killed in the conflict-ridden country on March 24 after a coalition of rebel forces invaded the capital city of Bangui.

A further 27 soldiers were injured and one more soldier was reported missing. The deposed leader of the CAR Francois Bozize fled to neighbouring Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and rebel leader Michel Djotodia declared himself interim president

http://m.mg.co.za/index.php?view=article&urlid=2013-04-04-mapisa-nqakula-defends-sa-troops-killing-of-car-child-soldiers

saengine: You had said enough before you even spoke. If you want to use special forces to fight, the whole world respects and fears SA Special Forces....

saengine: And what is your point? How does your radar having a range of 600km change the point I made above? Your radar can have a range of 5000km, because you have already placed our ships at 20km off the coast. On a clear day they might be visible with the naked eye. Point is, unless your F-7 will take off on the beach sand, we can warn our pilots to come closer to our ships once we pick you up at 120km. So Rooivalk will be much much closer to our ships by the time F7 arrives.

NaijaPikinGidi: My friend Agaugust I don't think you should worry further about restating our superior military knowledge and strategy to our South African friends who adamantly remain blinded by self-delusion and a baseless sense of supremacy when it is common knowledge that their national keypoints are easily breachable by anyone, talkless of the highest bidder! The Gupta Jet landing fiasco at an Airforce base is still a recent event of great national embarrassment to all South Africans.

I'll complement Agaugust's simulation by saying ... without pilots ... there is no air power. Nigeria actually will not wait for Gripen planes to be deployed out of 2 Squadron Makhado Air Force Base in Limpopo. The Gripens and their pilots will never be able to take the the skies!! All that needs to be done is to have Nigerian Army SF commandos infiltrate the porous Makhado Base on a red mission to recee, secure, capture and take out your Gripen pilots. Of course we are capable!! And without a doubt the war would have been lost by SA before it ever begins. We know all of SA's national key points and we know what to do when the time comes. The Nigerian Armed Forces are supremely advantaged in the current situation where it's strike capacity and capabilities in modern warfare are underestimated by South Africa especially. Save for my sharing this strategy, there would be no way of countering such a surprise move by the NA SFs.

To our friends in South Africa, the Nigerian Army is in your bare face! The Nigerian Military forces' brains and brawns combine better than your mere brawns. So let things be. Shiny weapons and loud mouths will not hold ground against a Nigerian Armed Forces -- highly potent in war intel, and tactics than what the world knows or can truthfully acknowledge.

But thanks, Messrs Agaugust, Henry120, Donian, et al, for sustaining this thread and forcing our SA friends to learn a thing or two and to acknowledge fellow Africans in a more respectful way.

To the mouthy Kwames, AwoduaGyans, and Mbuisis on this thread, you all are at liberty to continue in your sustained efforts to slander Nigeria. Nigeria isn't Ghana or Kenya. We talk for truth to strength for ourselves come rain or shine! Isn't it shameful that you Ghanaians find it comfortable basking in false satisfaction derived from the crumbs of your SA masters/benefactors whereas your countries of origin remain spineless entities in Africa's scheme of affairs.

Enough said!

QED

andrewza: With 8 hard points a gripen could carry 4 drop tanks, 2 PGM and 2 AAMs with one in the group carring a targeting pod in liue of a bomb. This is not a normal load out and would push change the combat raidiacy.

andrewza: Austrila and sweden have both done tested and found the gripen out perfomce the F35.

saengine: I said our frigates have radar with a range of 120km. So when your F-7 jets take off and head towards us, our Rooivalk helicopters would have been given a warning long in advance, and move closer towards the warships. Unless your F-7 are going to take off from the sand on the beach.

andrewza: You still have not explianed how the J7 radar will find the rooivalk. Where thanks to the valour the rooivalk will know about the J7.

DictatorZAR: Go find a real job, because judging by your reasoning skills you don't work in any military field, you can go count goats please

DictatorZAR: Now boy let me take you on a tour bus back to the real world and not some made up dream your hallucinatory mind constantly feeds you. I will teach you what combat and ferry range means and squash your 15min gripen dream.

Jas-39C/D
-BVR 85%
-Arms 7.7/10
-Tech. 7.5/10
-Avionics 8.1/10
-Maneuverability 9.2/10
-Speed 2.07 Mach
-Fuel 1.06km/ -2.49nm gallon [b]( now do the math and tell me how this constitutes 15min in combat mode)

Su-27/30MK fl

Conclusion
-Sukhoi is faster
-JAS is better Armed

andrewza: You have not showen how the F7 will raddar lock on the rooivalk meaning it will have to come in close. Speed will have littel to do with this fight. It will be who can shoot who first. The rooivalk has a great off boer site attack ablietty. Down low the jet's speed will not be of that much use.

It was found during a red flag exersize that if the jet is force in to a low alltiued manvoubilty fight the helicopter can get the jet in it's it's gun.

saengine: This was my original post. If you can't read, then that your problem.

"Carrying a maximum load of 16 Mokopa missiles (8 under each wing), our pilots go on the hunt for your artillery at night. To get the maximum range from your artillery, you place them near your coast and not far inland. At 6 km from your coast, we can pick your artillery off one by one. One sortie of 3 Rooivalk will destroy half of your arsenal. At 6km from your coast we are also far enough from any Roland surface to air missiles you might have near by, and also close enough to our frigates in order for them to provide point defence with Umkhonto SAM. Your artillery will be nothing but sitting ducks. Each frigate would carry enough Mokopa missiles to destroy your artillery. "

At what range to you think we will know your F-7 are in the air? Do you think the Rooivalk will still be at 14km from our ships when you fire? We will pick your cardboard box with wings 120km away from us. By the time you get within 20km of us, our Rooivalk will be safely inside the cone, not at the outer edge. So our Rooivalk will be protected. And don't lie, top speed of Rooivalk is 309km/h. And even if one of your rust missiles makes it through, South Africa produces some of the best counter-measure systems in the world. Your rusty missiles will be so terribly confused by our superior counter-measures they will just blow themselves up, or turn around and attack you

saengine:
Do this calculation for us please. A Rooivalk helicopter is 8km off the Nigerian coast, firing missiles with range of 10km on coastal targets. That same helicopter is 14km away from a South African warship protecting it under a 15km Umkhonto suface to air cone. How many kilometers is the South African warship from the Nigerian coast? I'll give you a few days to solve this....I'm in no rush.

andrewza: Since when have techncal detials been released on the net. Now show me proof they even have any ECM/EW/ECCM extra on those sytems bought to watch the coast for pirats and thiefs.

Show me a Nigerian data link or there own encripted home grown radios, EW sytems, fire control sytems or anything newer than 1980 tech.

And the MPA are all following one of the frigats watching it with there opitcs or more likly in maintance because they flew to hard. The shore radar are being jamed. And that will help you how. I siad find it with your radar. Flying like that will make it even harder for the J7. So if that is your plan go ahead only know that in that world the helcopter is king and intergrating the A-darter on the rooivalk is all so a optsion both where built for each other and the SANDF do plan on carring A-darta AAMs on the rooivalk or useing the 20mm. A jet pilot flying like that has to focuse on not dieing more than shoot or even looking for a enemy.

And a radar(not even a big one) built for the skies will pick up a target flying low among the clutter that is the oceaon. The F7s radar is a joke.

Where they not watching the ship. And what they going to do. Even if the J7 pilots knows the rhough locastion if it can not pick it up on radar it will need to get in close where it will be at risk from the rooivalk anf valour. Not to menstion time or weather is on our side. Thick cload cover will be our signal to attack.

But I don't need to hit them since I can intercept ships that leav or are going to them from while out of the rand of the guns. And I would love to be there with all the guns, vechiles towing the guns, carring ammunstion, people, food, supplys extra extra. Will be great for me the entrie place would basicaly be full of vechiles. Try geting any thing done.

One knot is 1.8kph so at a max speed of 31knts it will be faster than 50kph. Now why did you not look at the vedios of frigats do sharp turns at sea. You must of got your knot speed the same place you got your T-craft facts.

And how have you stoped us stopeing them? Hell we don't need to come close to coast to stope them.

andrewza: Is it me or are nigerians really unable to see they have problems. Do they think every thing in nigeria is peachy perfect.

saengine: And you ignored the part where I wrote in plain simple English that SA helicopters would stay close enough to our warships to be protected by Umkhonto surface to air missiles (15km arc), while still having the range to fire Mokopa missiles (10km range) on Nigerias coastal targets. Just like how your fingers are ignoring the logical part of your brain before typing nonsense.

DictatorZAR: Now fool this comment shows you not in the military. What is combat range and what we call ferry range.
15min as you claim. The gripens has over 3000km ferry range yet you claim it can only stay in the air for 15min. What the hell are you smoking

south africa and nigeria both have NO military capacity to attack each other

Fighter Pilot: South Africas SUNSAT was launched in 1999 and ten years later second satellite (Sumbandila Sat) was launched.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_National_Space_Agency

Fighter Pilot: Saengine you are very brilliant.

Fighter Pilot: South Africas SUNSAT was launched in 1999 and ten years later second satellite (Sumbandila Sat) was launched.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_National_Space_Agency

Augustine Again: i only helped you by assuming your south african valour frigates dont fire their few tiny total of 4 main guns/artillery at nigeria because the guns have range of 16km. if you want to use it you get closer into range of many more hundreds nigerian artillery including the bigger and longer range deadly guns of NNS ARADU from their safe inshore postition.

i was honest with my simulation, i always do my best to be honest, if i make any mistake, i am only human.

i never go to battle assuming that my enemy will make a small or big mistake the way andrewza likes to assume that enemy has error margin. what if he does not err ?

never underestimate the enemy in war, i don't do that careless thinking.

andrewza: Nigeria received there last roland missiel in 1985 and have only 300. I doubt most are servisbil. Probally will have many falure to lanch, lock or explsion in the tubes.

andrewza: come on why don't you address the many points made. in both the naval and air force one please do try. o and on the naval one here is one for you. put a G5 on the drakensberg now what you going to do.

i would also like for you to please show proof nigeria has the archer arty system.

show proof nigeria uses GPS guided, base bleed, V-Lap, or any other advanced arty rounds. show how a GPS guided shell works on a moving ship.

Show you source on the SAN aluminum T-craft

and answer the different points made of your doggie roland argument

Fighter Pilot: This put it otherwise http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/boko-haram-were-winning-nigeria-war-2664816.html

andrewza: accuracy can be achieved with pen and paper but not has fast, this system allows the user to fire at long range accurately and quickly. This is all so increase the response time in shoot and skoot style warfare.

And then that one computer now must control all the guns, what if it breaks, or yo have 5 different high value targets, extra.

Arguing that this system is not a 1000000000% better than a pen and paper method is just messed up and shows how both of you should stop embarrassing your self