shaybebaby:

You've got it all figured out sounds like a plan. But seeing the week May had last week is enough to put anyone off politics. That woman isn't having a good time of it, quite rightly so.

I don't even know what happened to her last week, but she's fumbled her way this far, so her political doom has always been imminent, anyway! I think the Maybot lacks much needed emotional intelligence to connect with her constituents. She's even terrible at waffling, the number one skill on every politician's CV, and not for the lack of trying!

At making sacrifices, we are in agreement. Not necessarily suspicious of those who have it all figured out. More like not taking them seriously, the only way to grow is to keep questioning what is even when there isnt any apparent flaws. It can always be improved, we can always improve.
Some groups of people come to mind

Agreed! And I know exactly what you mean

lefulefu:
let them alone.na love chemistry dey flow between dem right now ...so wich one come be ur own inside.anywhere i waka..love always enter there.

You're so wrong man!!!

Na love physics Not to be mistaken for physical love!

Moaby:
Lefulefu, you see wetin u carry come this thread abi?

That agentofallah and shaybebaby. Dem don turn this thread to academic flirting thread.

Please go comment on another thread, I'm sure they'll follow you.

Haha! I'm pleased you pinned the blame on the appropriate and sole culprit!

shaybebaby:

I can wait to use my acquaintance with you as bragging rights. " Yeah, that's my mate right there, I know him".

Hahaha...what an underwhelming source of "bragging rights" you've got. You, on the other hand, will do better to become a politician...then I can use my acquaintance with you to form bragging rights and to fund my mad "scientific" pursuits...see? Two birds, one bragging source

shaybebaby:

Words on marble @ nigerian food.

Well, I fear that level of passion for something. In order to be really dedicated, other things will suffer. You cannot say that your academic pursuits haven't come at the expense of other things.

Jesus! At the expense of so many other things, I've learned to just see them as collateral losses.

Maybe I want to have it all, just haven't figured out how; there are only 24 hours in a day afterall.

Take your time...there is no obligation on you to figure it out. In fact, I'm usually deeply suspicious of people who have figured it all out!

shaybebaby:

You say published? Congrats. Where can I find your work? I may still have access to journals online via my former institution.

See, I did remember somewhat. Shows I paid attention.

Yep, I'm proud of you!
You can find my works in many academic journals. In time, you'll see them.

shaybebaby:

You are right, whatever you find will be claimed as his work, or outright denial of its validity.

I'm trying to think about something that makes me feel the way you just described. The closest thing is when I start fantasising about nigerian food, sometimes this particular Cantonese street noodle . Makes me hop on the train to london when I cannot bear torment anymore.

Food is just as good a drive as any other, and Nigerian food is the ultimate!

On a more serious note, maybe politics. I keep toying with the idea of it, maybe running as a local councillor and then proceeding from there. But then again, I enjoy the simpler things of life, family etc.

I fear it may become all encompassing.

In the end, you'll be consumed by something, and it is either pursuing a noble goal, satisfaction from a simple life or deep regret for not executing your unique ideas! Whichever it is, you'd have made an inevitable and irreversible decision.

shaybebaby:

That just made me laugh out loud.
Tell me, what's your word count on this current one? I remember you told me what it's about, something about light and errm.. Ermmm... Let me go and revise from where you said it

About harnessing highly efficient UV light using semiconductors. I don't know my word count. I need to collate my published papers first. Presently writing two more on the same subjected, so I'll probably finish this whole project by next year.

shaybebaby:

Quite a bit of work you have ahead of you. As to your sadomasochism, I think that has been established considering the response you may have from the religious community. Depending on your findings, they won't know whether to kiss you or kill you.

Got my work cut out! I don't think it would matter much to the religious though. If all the hard scientific evidence existing today has done nothing to persuade them, what is one idiot talking about a subject as nebulous as consciousness capable of doing?

Sigh, wish I could understand that drive, that thirst. I certainly respect it Sir.

It's same as any other drive! It keeps eating into your thoughts, increasing its mindshare in your brain, tormenting your every wakeful hour, whispering soundless words and gratifying your every hints and ideas, good or bad, with imaginary Nobel recognitions, until you yield in the belief that there's no other way to satiate or silence the drive. If you're even lucky, it just might convince you that the world would be a better place with your work...then you start to think you're not just indulging your ego, but you're also a messenger delivering something immensely bigger than yourself! And then you just do it! No choice involved, just an illusion of!

shaybebaby:

Numpty but you are a man after all. You guys can be pig headed

I bet you are still at it as we speak. (face palm)

Cheesuz! You just proved my first conclusion right in one sentence. I think my work is done here.

shaybebaby:

What methodology/branch of science do you think will be most applicable to achieve your aim?

I think it'll be a combination of physics and neuroscience. As for neuroscience, I have the benefit of absolute ignorance and naiveté going for me here, so I may have fresh perspective to offer, or I may drown in my own hubris haha! Physics will just involve mathematical modelling of our organic processes to test the predictive power of my hypothesis. By the end of my project I'd want to definitely prove two things: (i) That all living organisms, including humans, are super predictable, and (ii) Therefore, freely willed choice is an illusion.

Again, the writing involved. You must be a masochist.

Haha! I am quite! Given the goal of my study, you may now qualify my masochism with an appropriate prefix: Sadomasochist! Muahahaha

shaybebaby:

You hit the nail on the head. I wrote so much I wasn't even sure if I was coherent or if I stayed on topic.

Jeez, you've written three? Are you even human? The whole experience scarred me for life. The sole reason why I decided not to pursue any postgraduate qualification.. I hope to never have to write such a long story again.

Well, let's just say it took me three trials to come to the same realisation you arrived at in your first. I'm a slow learner! Haha

shaybebaby:

That is a fabulous idea.

I swear men! It is one of my two life projects. The other is to scientifically understand, explain, and document the meaning of consciousness. Maybe my third project would be to fully translate my thesis on consciousness to pidgin English using my standardised dictionary.

shaybebaby:

Aha, back on familiar terrain. I wish I knew you when I was writing my dissertation.
I bet you could have helped me bang out a first. As it was I only scored 65.

Where were you when I needed you?

What?? 65 is a great score for a dissertation, you perfectionist efiko! Such large documents aren't as much about your writing skill as they are about how quick you can recover from writing fatigue. I'm sure you'd have performed exceptionally if you didn't have to proof read the bible! Trust me, I've written three bibles, so I know!!

shaybebaby:

Perhaps a more scientific explanation will do, eg the scientific name for ukwu, a couple of equations wouldn't go amiss either. It's strange reading something written by you not along the lines of the former.

Ever wondered why west Africans are some of the best sprinters in spite of their formidable glutes? Maybe it isn't so much "in spite of" as it is "because of". Later, we can discuss the specific mechanical properties of our gluteus maxima, and how they are specifically adapted for sprints and quick accelerations during prey stalking.

lefulefu:
so u can even call the yansh word.and i was thinking na only me spoil for here. Abeg make angel gabriel come blow the trumpet .

Lol!!! Abro, we suppose don dey write standard Nigerian pidgin dictionary sef. I go definitely fund dat kind project.

lefulefu:
no be fight oo.was just advising op on his odd taste.why would he be looking at old wrinkled yansh when there are fwesh Fwesh ukwus around .

How another man choice of love take konsain you? Abi you wan follow am share em wife? Abeg, face your nyansh, if na nyansh you wan marry, n allow op face em own kind tin.

Evil pot ke? The pot no gree cook em food, abi wetin?

shaybebaby:
What is Haram?

lefulefu:
that's Arabic for forbidden sumpting .what op is doing is haram in his place cos they are Muslims.

shaybebaby:

Allow the geezer jor. Variety is the spice of life. We all can't like the same things.

Lefulefu, stop misleading people, you troll, you! There's nothing in Islamic doctrine that forbids attraction to older people. In fact, it is well known that Khadijah, the very first wife of Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, was about 15 years older than he was.

PastorAIO:


You're getting there but I believe that you have a quite some way to go before you become as stark raving mad as I am.

Then like you, I shall embrace the maddest of all madnesses...seeking method to one's madness!

What if that thing that could quell your other urges was itself an urge whereby you won't feel contentment until you connect with it. Yet once you do all your other urges like a wild beast that has been tamed will become like plasticene in your hands. To shape and do with as you will.

From experience, every urge, once fulfilled, comes to a natural state of tameness. So, I say, may the fittest urge plasticinise first!

Proudgorgeousga:


what shame there is nothing shameful about ivf a lot of people do it and go to church and claim miracle. also baby mamas kids thrive w/o knowing their fathers so...

Haha. This person is just throwing random shurikens at an idea they find inexplicably upsetting to their worldview.

PastorAIO:
Is there a course that we can pursue that can put all these raging Urges to rest? Something that can say to the Storm, ‘Peace, Be Still’, and all the turmoil will come to rest. Is there something within us that is lying dormant, that we can awaken. ‘Wake up na, Can you not see that we are perishing?’, and when it awakens it puts an harness on all the turbulent Urges that batter us from all sides?

Lobotomise?
A while back, someone started a thread extolling the excellent qualities of paradise that good Christians should look forward to. Some of these ranged from the ridiculously ostentatious, like single dweller mansions bigger than the most opulent mansion on earth (who needs that?), to the simply ridiculous, like roads made of gold (how will golden roads enhance movement, especially since dwellers will presumably acquire the gift of flight/teleportation?). Anyway, what really did catch my attention was the person's claim that all our needs, in other words, urges, will be spontaneously granted, with the exception of sex because we wouldn't even possess such an urge anymore. Though I fail to recall the person mentioning these, I assume also, that dwellers would lose their urges to s.hit, p.iss, sneeze and what not...but anyway, I digress!

The person claimed thus; that dwellers will always feel fully gratified in paradise, even though god has effectively eliminated some of the fantastically gratifying urges of their yesterlives. They will be in a state of perpetual equanimity, if you will! The insight I got from this 'eye witness' account of heaven was revolting. It seemed less like a gratification of urges and more, a maleficent zombification of devotees. This person's god would effectively perform partial lobotomy on its believers in order to keep them fully gratified. I don't know about the lucky inhabitants of that heaven, but I know earthly human nature tends towards more, not less experiences. If there were something within me that could perish my many urges, even the mutually antagonistic ones, I'd kill that thing before it kills my urges. In a sense, aren't we defined by these peculiar urges? I only draw a line at the ones that are evidently harmful to myself and other people. I don't want my many urges on a leash ever, but maybe mine is just the rambling of a man content in his storm...turmoil...turbulence...madness?

At any rate, lobotomy seems a perfectly capable means through which perpetual equanimity may be attained, this mad man thinks. Then, you can really say your urges are restrained...that is, if you even feel the urge to say anything afterwards!

Am I mad, Pastor?

adjoviomole:




As usual you just rant and pick on the op... Yet you got nothing to say about the points up there. Your so called chronological order is not the same in some places and I have listed this countries for you.... If your so called chronological order is false then whatever you may come up with is also false.

It is not clear what gives you the impression that any random claim you make should be taken as a matter of fact, or seriously for that matter. You're right, I've got nothing to say about your point because you haven't made any! Go pick up a biology textbook if you want to make a point about evolution, not a misquoted statement from an 18th century geologist who didn't know any better.

Well, good for him that his life saving god decided to allow dozens of people perish so that he may be convinced of its existence.

You sound like someone who's just awoken from a 120 year hibernation, and as a result, has missed the Discovery of DNA, advent of microbiology, discovery of many ancient fossils, is out of touch with current trends in science; but decides to (mis)quote the anachronistic opinion of an 18th century geologist as some kind of authority on a theory that has waxed stronger over the centuries...

Well then, welcome to the 21st century beloved ancient one. You may have learned how to use the internet, but there's still much to catch up to. Yet, if you've survived this long, I trust a few more years of high school and undergrad biology courses will not amount to much for you. Good luck in your quest for modern knowledge!

Mr ManTiger,
It's a great innovative and industrious spirit you embody, and I'm pleased to hear you're still trying your hands on many other things.
That said, do you think DSTv may have had other reasons, besides being anti-innovation, to reject your proposal? Think of it: The satellite which they use to broadcast their services across Africa doesn't belong to them, so they have to purchase a bulk but finite amount of bandwidth transponders from the owners, maybe a few 100s of Mbits/s. They would also have had to state the specific service for which that bandwidth was purchased. Now, given your technology was only yours at the time, and you say you were browsing at 4mbps, maybe that amount of bandwidth would go unnoticed if it's coming from a handful of users, but imagine they added this new service to their offering then:

(1) They'd either be using the bandwidth allocated to them for an illegal activity.
(2) Or they may manage to renegotiate the deal to include internet services, but their bandwidth will become significantly insufficient for all their customers, and each person would barely be able to browse at 1KB/s. This would also detrimentally affect their core product (DTH Tv).
(3) They'd then have to purchase significantly more bandwidth to service their internet offering. You may not know this, but renting satellite transponders is extremely expensive. A 40mbps transponder may cost $1.8 million per year, so it would take just 10 of you to exhaust one full transponder for 4mb/s internet services. Now try and picture how many of those they'd have to rent to service their millions of customers, and the astronomical amount they'd have to pay for poor fidelity service. In 2010, people could already get faster and significantly cheaper internet services in Nigeria.

So they made an economic decision that was very much in their interest. For the same reasons, I don't believe TSTv is using the same technology you developed for their internet service. They're probably using the more robust and cheaper HSPA and LTE networks presently available from mobile service providers. If you wanna patent your technology, you probably still can, I hear Google is initiating a low orbit satellite project to provide free internet to the rest of the world, so keep your dream alive....it may yet prove useful for the future of the internet...who knows?

johnydon22:
well maybe this universe is actually an assignment of one little extra dimensional child as a school project... just maybe, who knows?

You darkmatter2525 addict, you!

johnydon22:


Let me explain then.

Spatial dimensions XYZ + T must equal the speed of light as a constant.

This simple mathematics is the mechanism behind relativity.

XYZ+T=C

The faster you go on XYZ, T must adjust to still sum the total to C

So the faster you go on XYZ, the slow T becomes so the sum will equal C.

That is why in relativity time slows down the faster you go

I hope you understand its application to known laws of physics now.

Oh, I see! Your words describe the time dilation implication of relativity. My bad, your mathematical representation of it threw me off. To preserve the integrity of physical units, it is more appropriately: X² + Y² + Z² = c²dt².

You have steered away from my original analogy, my analogy on the OP referred to already released movie and in particular one that you are watching on your device.

So for we to assume a pre-released still under production then we are into a different assumptive premise all together than becomes non-sequitor to the original analogy.

If you are watching Hobbit on your phone and I am also watching Hobbit on mine. Its different plains (universes) we both are holding different dimensional plains in our hands, different universes.

I understand that I steered away from your original analogy, but I don't think I have digressed from your conclusion, which was that we cannot interfere with the fate of our 2D subjects. The new premise is supposed to demonstrate a different path through which interference can be achieved, so as far as your conclusion is concerned, it is very sequitur! Potentially, this transcendental god may also be able to change our fates without having to personally interact with us.

Presently, your argument is essentially of the form:
A (3D observer of widely circulated 2D videos) ⇒ B (3D observer transcendent of 2D world)
&
A (3D observer of widely circulated 2D videos) ⇒ C (3D Cannot interfere with 2D world)
∴ Conclusion 1
B (3D observer transcendent of 2D world) ⇒ C (3D Cannot interfere with 2D world)

And my argument is of the form:
D (3D observer of one copy 2D videos) ⇒ B (3D observer transcendent of 2D world)
&
D (3D observer of one copy 2D videos) ¬ C (3D Cannot interfere with 2D world)
∴ Conclusion 2
B (3D observer transcendent of 2D world) ¬ C (3D Cannot interfere with 2D world)

The problem is conclusions 1 and 2 cannot both be correct because they contradict each other.

Note my statement. You cannot exist or act as a person within a time and space you transcend.

Keyword: Person.

You may pause, fast forward and rewind a movie but you sitting on that couch cannot be a person inside that movie even if you are watching a movie you are part of .

Yes, I agree that you cannot exist as a person in the lower dimensional world. But your initial statement that god cannot intervene in our time is what I was challenging. I was showing that it may be possible that a transcendental god can, in fact, edit our time and fate at will, without us noticing.

johnydon22:


it's just a mathematical projection of dimensions plus time in relativistic term which must equal to universal constant of (c) the speed of light.

I understood its implication, I just don't understand why or how such a mathematical formalism is applicable to the known laws of Physics.

there are two ways i can answer this.

1. Someone making a movie can do this, once the movie is released to the public you may change things in the movie but the pre-released movies cannot change anymore. take the extended versions of movies for example, the extended versions are just alternate versions of the first release. If you have the normal cut and extended version of Lord of the rings.
when you are watching the normal cut, things on the extended version won't appear but both are different universes therefore cannot affect each other.

so whatever version of one movie you are watching is just like an alternate universe.

2. Open any movie right now on your phone, then try changing what is happening there by plucking one out, killing someone inside the movie.

Fair enough! But your explanation only applies to post-release movies with multiple versions. Now let's suppose the movie only exists on some form of editable physical media or another, and there is only one copy of that media available (precluding possibilities of alternate universes), such that if the movie were edited in the way I previously described, there would still remain just one copy. Now, splicing new sections in the timeline of the movie will surely alter the fate of the characters, even if they (assuming they are sentient) don't realise this themselves.

You quite did not understand the analogy: let me try and see if i can break it down further. You are watching Lord of the rings, you phone, laptop or tv any device you are watching it with is a 2d projector. So this movie you are watching is on a 2d universe, you are on your couch with pop corn and you are outside that 2d universe and is in your 3d universe.

No matter what you do, it does not affect the movie, you as a person cannot perform actions within that 2d universe. Like say "tell frodo and sam to hide" and they hear you, match into the tv and assist them in a fight or pluck sauron out directly from your couch.

there is no way for you to get up from your couch and enter into that 2d dimension, and if you are peter jackson who made Lord of rings, what ever you add or remove from the already released movie can only make an alternate movie

Ultimately lead to an alternate universe like the extended version of Lord of the rings.

Yes, again, let's assume there can only be one copy of this movie on a single storage media in my possession. I agree that I can't directly tell Frodo and Sam to hide, but there are other ways I can interfere with their fate, like shooting a new scene with their characters doing what I want and then splicing this new scene into the single version I have. Even suppose we go with your multiverse solution, it's still an interference, albeit an imperceptible one, no? I've intentionally changed the unwinding of their timelines from a single possible outcome to a superposition of equally probable outcomes. They don't have to perceive such an interference themselves for it to occur!

You can interfere in a movie by pausing the time, hastening it, running the time backward but only you notices these changes, characters within your TV do not, but that is by the way.

The implications i tried to highlight was: a transcendent entity (you) cannot perform actions within a time and space it transcends (inside your tv)

Yes, the types of interference you've listed wouldn't affect the characters' lives, nor would they affect the the time and space in their universe. However, splicing new scenes will clearly affect the time and space of the characters in the movie, even if they don't notice. So, my thinking is, maybe this extradimensional god cannot directly interact with us as we interact with each other in our own dimension, but if this god were watching us like the unwinding of videos, then they can potentially effect changes in our own time, space and fate without us noticing.

UncleSnr:
It won't overshadow Wi-Fi anytime soon...

https://talkroute.com/why-li-fi-wont-replace-your-wi-fi-router-any-time-soon/

And for those saying China introduced it, it is false...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Fi

The innovation here isn't LiFi, it is the synthesis method for the F-CD devices that is Chinese. Below is the abstract from the peer-review publication


Here, they demonstrate the optical range of their device by secondarily exciting their carbon quantum dots using violet light emitting semiconductor (wavelength = 395 nm) based on InGaN (Indium gallium nitride) alloys, to produce white light.

Their presentation is simply elegant!

One thing you will notice about their experimental precursors and materials is that most of them were sourced from Chinese companies (probably at heavily discounted rates too)! This is a great example of the mutually reinforcing cycle between innovation and commerce. Probably also the reason research in Nigeria isn't thriving! You can bet that if/when this technology proves commercially scalable, a Chinese company will be at the forefront of promoting it to the rest of the world.


Bottom line: Underestimate the Chinese at your own peril.

Johnydon22, this is a thought provoking proposition. I especially like your projection unto a 2D realm that is familiar to us all. My best teachers were always the ones with the remarkable ability to create mental images using mere words! Maybe consider becoming a part time, pro bono lecturer of philosophy in a school nearby.

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That said, I didn't quite understand your XYZ+T=c formalism, so hope you clarify it later on.

I understand the rest of your argument, but think there are simple caveats that may yet clog the wheels of your conclusion.

Now, consider this scenario in your 2D movie analogy:

I, the transcendent observer, am not too pleased with the fate of some of the characters in the movie at some specific time signature. Can I not potentially change the fate, 're-shoot', as it were, a different scene of the same characters and then splice and fuse said scene at the time signature of my choosing, thereby, prolonging/hastening/rearranging the fated timeline of said characters?

In this scenario, does my interference not contradict your deduction that we "cannot perform actions within that 2D space and time"? If it does, then can't a god that resides in an extradimensional realm potentially also splice, fuse and rearrange our fates at will.

Although, I easily concede that no matter how many new scenes I add to the movie, the 2D characters will never be able to perceive my interference because they will never be able to foresee their yet to be unwound fates which occupy a future timeline in the movie. Likewise, we may not be able to perceive the interference of this extradimensional god with our fates, but don't you think there is still a possibility that it exists and it interferes nonetheless?

Cc: Deicide

Firstly, let me clarify that I hold no opinion as to what man is. I'm a person of science first and foremost, so I strictly hold all opinions irrelevant on matters already settled by science. As such I feel no inclination to bicker over the biological nature of man. I'm just here to complete what was started in my name, just so everyone can have a clearer picture of the exchange

butterflyl1on:
Anyway his comment

Mr butterfly didn't give the full trail of our correspondence, so I've included them below, along with links:
After my last response, he alleged I misunderstood his comment:

butterflyl1on:

Read my comment again

If the barbaric nature of an animal is to take by force or cunning what is not his and still feel good about it how then do you talk about consent? As animals whom you say we are then it shouldn't matter to you if consent is given/gotten or not

AgentOfAllah:

You read my response again...not all animals are the same! So which kind of animal are you referring to in your hypothetical? I am a human animal, and human animals have a strong sense of empathy; thus rape is a no no in my philosophy.

butterflyl1on:


You said

Speaking of animal consent, what do you think many animals do when they start their elaborate courtship rituals? Rape?

You said many an not all animals. So those who do not offer Consent are raped. We cannot be human and animals at the same time so saying we are human animals doesn't work .

If the animals who rape others are Okay after doing it why then is consent so important to you as an animal as well? Should it really matter?

AgentOfAllah:


A dog is a dog and an animal at the same time, a bonobo is a bonobo and an animal at the same time, a fish is a fish and an animal at the same time, but a dog does not behave like a fish and a bonobo certainly doesn't behave like a dog. You can dispute this all you want, if it makes you feel good, but biology says we are human animals, and human animals we are!

butterflyl1on:


Well God says I am not an animal but a special breed of creation who can only act and think like an animal when I forsake my maker.

AgentOfAllah:

God should open its biology textbooks.

butterflyl1on:


Everything does not begin and end with biology

End

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So if you're willing to defecate all over science with shitty opinions you're entitled to, but it is clear from our exchange that my claim was predicated on science all along.