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Religion / Re: If Adam And Eve Where Whites According To Some Books And Bibles,why Are We Black by AgentOfAllah: 1:55pm On Nov 03, 2017
Martinez19:
lol. The apes I meant were chimpanzees, gorillas, monkeys etc. grin

Haha..I know what you meant, there is just no point distinguishing between humans and apes, because it might mislead people into thinking we're separate from them... But you can distinguish between monkeys and apes because they aren't the same wink
Religion / Re: If Adam And Eve Where Whites According To Some Books And Bibles,why Are We Black by AgentOfAllah: 1:51pm On Nov 03, 2017
Jupxter:


Aha, i caught you off guard brov. Go and study granite formation
Yeah, you caught me off guard, and I'm still off guard because I really don't understand what you're trying to say.
Religion / Re: If Adam And Eve Where Whites According To Some Books And Bibles,why Are We Black by AgentOfAllah: 11:16am On Nov 03, 2017
Jupxter:


Alas !

Evolution remains, even granite is such wink
I don't follow.
Religion / Re: If Adam And Eve Where Whites According To Some Books And Bibles,why Are We Black by AgentOfAllah: 11:04am On Nov 03, 2017
Jupxter:


It's simple, it hasn't, people should buy monkeys, place them in cages, so they can turn to a cute babies. It saves the money that could have been spent on a wife and hospital bills.

But what you've described is miracle, not evolution. I agree that miracles have stopped working... To be sure, their expiry coincided with the advent of cameras. As for evolution, there is not a single claim which states that monkeys turn into humans. That's just a crass misrepresentation of facts.

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Foreign Affairs / Re: BREXIT Referendum Today, In Or Out? by AgentOfAllah: 10:57am On Nov 03, 2017
shaybebaby:

Okay, I'll keep at it, it is fascinating enough.

@your question, where is the fun in pain? My brain hurts. cry
Have you ever started solving a puzzle (like Sudoku), and then it was so addictive that you just couldn't stop, even though it hurt your brain to continue? Or gotten so high on one faithful Friday night, even when you knew you'd wake up terribly hungover on Saturday? Maybe you're an activity junkie who gets a fix from organising/participating in sports events in spite of the pain?

Don't tell me you've got no preferred masochism(s)?! wink
Religion / Re: If Adam And Eve Where Whites According To Some Books And Bibles,why Are We Black by AgentOfAllah: 10:44am On Nov 03, 2017
Jupxter:



Humans descendants of apes, why did this evolution stop so suddenly and didn't continue till this day?
Why do you think evolution has stopped?
Religion / Re: If Adam And Eve Where Whites According To Some Books And Bibles,why Are We Black by AgentOfAllah: 10:43am On Nov 03, 2017
Martinez19:
humans didn't descend from apes. Apes and humans share a common ancestor. That's evolution.

Cc. Hati13
Humans are apes
Foreign Affairs / Re: BREXIT Referendum Today, In Or Out? by AgentOfAllah: 9:59am On Nov 03, 2017
shaybebaby:

Should I just give up then?
No, of course not! On the contrary, you should ask more questions. You may yet develop a new conceptual perspective that is unbiased by the debilitating curse of experience!

Why on earth is this your choice?
But where's the fun in trying to understand something that is easily understood?
Foreign Affairs / Re: BREXIT Referendum Today, In Or Out? by AgentOfAllah: 8:17am On Nov 03, 2017
shaybebaby:

Hahaha, I'm really trying here, it's largely gobbledygook cry

Believe me when I say I feel your pain. Everybody who's ever dabbled into the subject does! It would have been discarded as gobbledygook woo woo were it not so effective at explaining quantum observations.
Religion / Re: If Adam And Eve Where Whites According To Some Books And Bibles,why Are We Black by AgentOfAllah: 8:10am On Nov 03, 2017
chibabe259:
If you're a product of SPERM, why are you not in liquid form?.
But we are in liquid form... Well, at least, 70% of our body mass is liquid.

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Foreign Affairs / Re: BREXIT Referendum Today, In Or Out? by AgentOfAllah: 7:52am On Nov 03, 2017
shaybebaby:

I like the thought of you sweating whilst trying to come up with answers. The great agent stumped momentarily? Someone get me a glass of vino and beef jerky tongue
Hahaha...then brace yourself for a salty flood!

I'm beginning to form a fuzzy pic in my mind, we not done yet. I'll be back with more questions.
Great..also, don't forget your life jacket tongue
Foreign Affairs / Re: BREXIT Referendum Today, In Or Out? by AgentOfAllah: 3:17am On Nov 03, 2017
shaybebaby:

Love the video, a lot more intuitive than the first one. Or maybe I like cartoons. grin
I agree with you, animations area the best! But I also have this obsession with providing the full picture, hence the other videos.

So based on the measurement device forcing the electrons to occupy a single position, my question is about having more than one device measuring the same thing, either position or momentum not both.
Would the observation change because of the greater number of observers simultaneously(will their waves interfere enough or not)?
Will the state it collapses to differ? Will the information be consistent?
This is a really good question. Let's recall the thermometer example for a moment. Remember that a thermometer works by absorbing part of the heat emitted by the target object. So I guess your question is: If I use two thermometers would I get the same result as using one?
You know what else absorbs heat? Ice cubes in a glass of ice tea. So if you put two ice cubes in ice tea, the resulting coolness is unlikely to be comparable to when you put one (I know I prefer my ice tea with two or more ice cubes). Similarly, when you increase the number of observers, you'll most likely get a different result than with one.

I don't know if you have already answered it, still ruminating so bear with me.
Good. Then you're beginning to get the picture wink

Work issue? A particle gone rogue? grin
More like a rogue reviewer of my last paper. To be fair, the person asked some legit questions, but boy are those questions difficult!

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Foreign Affairs / Re: BREXIT Referendum Today, In Or Out? by AgentOfAllah: 7:12pm On Nov 02, 2017
shaybebaby:
AgentofAllah.. Psst!! Over here..(whispers)
Where have you been lurking, haven't seen you around in a while until I saw you in the feminist thread.
Hey you! Had a work related snafu...still having it, but more under control now smiley


Question: This is about your wave particle thingies which I watched, existing in many states but collapsing into one state with observation.

What happens if you have more than observer(or ways of measurement at the same time), will the observed state be the same one or different?

Hope this makes sense.
Interesting choice of subject to bring up under a conversation about Brexit. If I didn't know better, I'd say you're trying to revive the alternate reality in which Brexit didn't happen!

Let's attempt to answer your question which is plenty sensible. Apologies for the length of my answer though. Quantum mechanics is never an easy subject to explain, mostly because no one really understands it. You will know why as you read on.

Let's start from the macroworld, and work our way down to the quantum.

Picture a thermometer. At any given time, it has its own local temperature, right? Nevertheless, when you use it to measure your body temperature, its reading changes to reflect your body's temperature...or does it? Well, not really!

The temperature your thermometer displays at any given time is a combination of a lot of things; for instance, we have the ambient temperature, humans also emit infrared heat, so the thermal reading would also depend on the number of humans in the room in which the measurement is being taken. In fact, every single material object in the universe emits heat, so your thermometer reading will also be affected by the number of things in and possibly outside the room. It doesn't end there: The material your thermometer is made of also has local variations in its temperature, and these variations will reflect in the reading too. However, compared to the heat emitted by the human body with which this thermometer is in contact, all these contributions are infinitesimal, so we can be fairly confident that the temperature value displayed is accurate to an acceptable degree of certainty. Also, a thermometer works by stealing heat from your body, right? This means, your body temperature would have dropped ever so slightly after the measurement, so that if you instantaneously bring another thermometer with exact initial state as the previous one, it will record a slightly lower temperature than the previous. Like I said though, you might not even notice this change because it will be infinitesimal.

Now, let's reduce the size of our thermometer to the smallest matter possible. For simplicity, let's say an atom. In fact, let our thermometer be a hydrogen atom. Let us now try to measure the temperature of an adjacent helium atom...ah...here, things begin to get interesting. Now, the thermometer (measuring device) is comparable in size with the object of interest (a helium atom), and we can't get it to be smaller because it's the smallest object (note that there are smaller objects than hydrogen, but I use hydrogen for simplicity and familiarity). What happens when this hydrogen thermometer comes in contact with, or close enough to the helium atom? Well, First, you must know that temperature is basically a measure of the kinetic energy of particles. The faster, the hotter; the slower, the cooler. Okay, so these two particles immediately collide and exchange energy with each other. If you could measure the speed of your hydrogen thermometer after contact, you could, in principle, tell the temperature of the helium before contact. However, after collision, the helium would have lost a significant amount of energy (to the hydrogen thermometer), so you would agree that it is practically impossible to measure it again and tell its temperature from the previous state.

I cheated above because what I've described are both classical experiments, not quantum ones. Yet, there are still important takeaways from them: Firstly, you will note that even in classical systems, the measurement device is not independent of system being measured, and will always affect the result during and after the experiment. The second take away is that the effect of the measurement device on the object of interest becomes more and more significant as both objects become comparable in physical properties such as size.

Now, let's examine a quantum system: In the videos I shared, it was established that matter exists in a sort of particle-wave duality. To understand exactly how this might be, we may as well imagine a particle, with a wavelike nature as in the simplified figure below.



You will see that before measurement, there is a probability that this particle is in position x1, x2, x3, x4 and x5 simultaneously. This probability is given by Px1 = Px2 =Px3...and so on. This means by the true nature of this particle, you can never know its exact position.

Should you wish to know the precise momentum of this particle, you will need, according to the equations at the top, its wavelength, λ. To know its wavelength, the particle's wave has to be intact, in which case, you will never be able to know if the particle is actually in position x1 or x2 or x3 etc.

On the other hand, if you wish to know its position, your measuring device isn't actually measuring its exact position, no! Instead, your device is forcing the particle to assume a particular location by introducing new waves (the orange part of the figure). Recall that in our classical experiment, the measurement device always affects the object being measured, yes? Now, in our quantum experiment, this measurement device is also made of particles which have their own individual wave functions. So, what you have in fact, is a complex convolution of many other waves which add to and subtract from the position probabilities of your particle, eventually forcing the particle to occupy one single location by reducing the probabilities of the other locations. The more waves are added (i.e. the more precise the measuring device), the less the contributions from the other position probabilities. In this case, we confined it to position x3 in the image. In theory, you can confine your particle to a precise location in the order of an infinitesimally small length called the Planck's length so that you get a precise location. However, by eliminating the other peaks of your location probability, you also lose information on the wavelength. Therefore, you can never get the precise momentum of your particle at that instant.

You asked whether one could get all that information at the same time should they carry out multiple measurements simultaneously? Simply put, the answer is no!

If you tried, you'd just end up getting a result that is neither its original momentum nor its position. This limiting factor is called the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

The animation below does a great job of explaining the wavefunction collapse. The two slit experiment actually treated the electrons as waves, thus was capturing the full information of their momenta, hence the interference patter. Notice, however, how the electrons became particles again when the physicists tried to measure their position! That measurement device basically forced the electrons to occupy a single position by introducing its own waves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

If you've read this far, then wow! I duff my hat! I also hope you are now sufficiently confused. If you're not, then I haven't properly introduced you to the world of quantum mechanics. tongue
Religion / Re: If Adam And Eve Where Whites According To Some Books And Bibles,why Are We Black by AgentOfAllah: 3:01am On Nov 02, 2017
Me77:
Being back or white depends on the type of food we eat, it is scientifically proven; eating food containing dark/black ingredients, do darkened the spermatozoa DNA, therefore resulting to having black children.
That's the reason our Yoruba people are mostly very black, because of their high intake of Amala and black soup. They just can't avoid it.
I'm very sure our fore, forefathers, mothers are pale in complexion, but later deviate from the norm of eating the right food, and went to engineer a new concocted food with blackish ingredients.... The end result is the black race.

This comment is a remarkable homage to Poe's law. I'm unable to tell if it is genuine, or intended as a parody of dumb beliefs.

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Religion / Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by AgentOfAllah: 6:49pm On Oct 30, 2017
LordAdam16:
@KingEbukasBlog

I think the biggest issue with this thread is that you failed to give a holistic definition of what god is. If you believe in god, it shouldn't be difficult for you to define "god."

@AgentOfAllah

Riddle me this. It's entirely hypothetical. Assuming

1. there's only one universe (not a multiverse)
2. we currently have an estimate of its diameter (or at least the observable universe)
3. we know it is expanding

What could possibly exist beyond the universe? And if nothing exists beyond the universe, is the universe expanding into nothingness?
I can't say what, if anything, exists beyond the universe; or, for that matter, if 'nothing' is conceptually perceptible. However,
I have speculated in the past, but my proposition is just that: a speculation!

I'm quite familiar with the astronomical conjecture that if you travel far enough, you'll return to the same point. If you look far enough, you'll see the back of your head. Aka the edgeless universe. But an edgeless universe is not necessarily an infinite universe. It's like traveling around the world in an aircraft. If you travel far enough on a transverse plane in one direction, you'll return to the same starting point. If you started walking away from your house in one direction, you'll eventually return to your house.

The concept of infinity in nature is near non-existent. Theoretically, it exists. In nature though, its not a foregone conclusion. If the universe is in fact infinite, then it by no means has a beginning. Just like 0 is not the start of positive infinity. Negative infinity is. And negative infinity itself is an abstract concept that cannot technically be called a "beginning." In which case, it'd be technically false to say the universe was birthed with the big bang, if it is infinite. The big bang would be one of an infinite number of cataclysmic events that ushered in a new reality. A reality of stars, planets, dark matter, and the whole shebang.

The initial singularity that caused it would in fact be the preceding reality before ours. And since no one can estimate how long the initial singularity lasted, it could very well be a reality of its own or mark a transition period between two different realities. And there'd be no way to know how far back it goes. Because quite frankly, there'd be no beginning. It also means this present reality will end. Because earth will die. The sun will die. Around the universe planets and stars are going kaboom. But it also means that if the universe is infinite, then only this reality will end and a new reality would pop in its place.

-Lord
It is true that the concept of infinity is not known to have any natural equivalence. But again, the operative word here is "know". To be blunt, there's not a lot about nature that we presently know in the first place. From what we know though, the conventional scientific approach is to foist determinism upon the universe and all its governing phenomena. This is done by presupposing a closed, self-contained system. As such, every question about it is either answered by observations or through the use of theoretically satisfactory solutions in the case of astronomical scale probes that approach the boundaries of this closed system, and far exceed the limits of observational science. It is because of this disposition that we are able to reconcile the puzzling observation of the expanding universe with concepts which are theoretically sound, but conceptually bizarre, like dark energy (a type of anti-gravitational force which eludes practical demonstration but is said to be uniformly distributed across that universe)!

While a self-contained, closed universe, is a useful assumption for our approximate model of the known universe, such a universe has not yet been satisfactorily justified. To understand my meaning, picture a non-linear 2D curve like the one below. While the model that describes it is a little complicated, any two adjacent points can satisfactorily be described by a linear model. This works for predictions within the local vicinity of the three points in question, but it is a dilemma when making predictions about the behaviour of the extended curve, especially when you merely occupy a tiny spot on a tiny pixel on one of the plot points.


In short, all I'm trying to say is this: We've only been able to model the universe as far as we can see, and I have no doubt that we haven't seen very far at all to definitively say eternal processes exist or don't, as it were!

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Religion / Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by AgentOfAllah: 4:22am On Oct 30, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


But this does not imply the universe itself as a whole is eternal , does it ? Unless you are presupposing that matter is all there is wink
Like I said before, it doesn't! There's no more reason to think the universe eternal than there is to think it not! Here lies the contemporary boundary of physics as a discipline. Any affirmation of either of the positions is speculative.

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Religion / Re: Des Pensees by AgentOfAllah: 10:37pm On Oct 29, 2017
Ubenedictus:
or rather urges once fulfilled wants to be more fulfilled.

Hmmm...but if an urge wants to be 'more' fulfilled, then it is not yet fulfilled, by definition.
Religion / Re: Will Secularism Promote Religious Tolerance In Nigeria ? What's Your Opinion. by AgentOfAllah: 10:34pm On Oct 29, 2017
DeSepiero:


Insightful.
Bringing the issue back home (the Nigerian scenario) and being realistic, the enforcement like you put it wouldn't really play out as you may expect. Would it?
Looking at the bolded up there where you mentioned 'the most number of ideologies', -note the superlative "most". The case here depicts two major ideologies (Christianity and Islam), unlike in some other countries where there's a diverse array of religions practiced.

Modified: I almost forgot - considering your initial personal definition of secularism, I have to agree with you smiley

Apologies for the super late reply bro...got extremely preoccupied, sotey my life dey run ahead of me.

To your question, you're correct that enforcement may not play out as expected! But recall that I emphasised that this process is painfully gradual. Even if we took Nigeria as an example, you'll see that its constitution is secular precisely because of the multiple religious and ethnic interests represented in this geographic space. However, the parts of our secular laws that are enforced are heavily skewed in favour of the major religious interests like you mentioned. I pin this on the fact that the economy of the country is fuelled by people affiliated, at least publicly, with one religious interest or the other. When other groups such as atheists, traditional diviners, animists and so on start making significant contributions to the economy, the enforcement of the law will also start to favour these groups too.

What is important to note, however, is that there's nothing presently stopping other groups from becoming major players in the economic fate of the country at any given point. Compare this to a theocracy where certain groups are actively disenfranchised so that there's no chance they'll ever be about to thrive, let alone influence policy.

In summary, the present disenfranchisement that minor religious groups feel in Nigeria is more connected to poor economic representation than to any deliberate ideological exclusion. And this will surely change as we get richer and more influential. Sadly, the attraction of government policies to economic factors is prolific. This is true anywhere in the world!

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Religion / Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by AgentOfAllah: 8:06pm On Oct 29, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
@ AgentofAllah

Correction noted but this does not suggest that matter and energy are eternal , does it ? Because we are used to the false dichotomy atheists bring up

Correct, it doesn't! Crucially, though, it does also leave open the possibility that they are!
Religion / Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by AgentOfAllah: 7:26pm On Oct 29, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


Energy was transformed into our universe ? Is that what you were being taught in school ? grin All matter and energy came into existence in the big bang . There was nothing(In material/physical sense ) prior to the existence of the universe

Fundamentally, the Big bang theory is a retropolation of the observed expansion of the known universe to a point particle, using the known laws of physics. As such, your statement is inaccurate for the the following reasons:

(1) There may yet be parts of the universe that remain unknown, which may completely falsify the big bang theory.

(2) once the universe is shrunk to a size with diameter approximately the scale of Plank's length, the known laws of physics completely breakdown, including those of quantum physics. This doesn't mean the universe ceases to exist at such scales, it just means we don't have any laws to describe anything that might exist at such a scale. Clearly, this implies that there are unknown laws of physics which haven't been accounted for. So, until we rule out all possible laws, it is flippant to claim that "all matter and energy came into existence in the big bang".

Usually, when physicists say things like the universe came into existence with the big bang, the phrase "as we know it" is always an implied preceding caveat. It is unfortunate that this point isn't usually made clear in materials dealing with the subject of the big bang, but that's just what it is. If you did read between the lines of several materials on the origin of the universe, however, this point becomes more obvious.

Take this Forbes article for example, where it is said that:

"If we were to extrapolate “infinitely” far back, we’d reach a singularity, where physics breaks down. With our modern understanding of the very early Universe, we know that an inflationary state preceded the hot, dense Big Bang, and that inflationary state was of an indeterminate duration. So when we speak of “the age of the Universe,” we’re talking about how much time has passed since the Universe could first be described by the hot Big Bang until the present day."

Or even this Hawkins article on the origin of time:

"At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down. This means that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before, because the deterministic laws that govern the universe will break down in the Big Bang. The universe will evolve from the Big Bang, completely independently of what it was like before. Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang."

Did you notice that even Steven Hawkins was careful not to rule out the existence of matter before the big bang!

Bottom line: Be circumspect about your claims!

Cc: Proudgorgeousga

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Religion / Re: Will Secularism Promote Religious Tolerance In Nigeria ? What's Your Opinion. by AgentOfAllah: 6:53pm On Oct 15, 2017
You asked:

DeSepiero:

AgentOfAllah post=61444542:
adoption of governance by rational pragmatism.
Considering the bolded, how do you react to this

shaybebaby:

I'm going to say that legislating human rights and enforcing it will solve the problem.
Secularism suggests an ideological concept which for the religious masses may be seen as trying to deliberately water down their beliefs. I believe that may further fan the flames of resistance as it would be perceived as a threat.

I would say that the adoption and enforcement of human rights laws is pragmatic! And yes, there would certainly be resistance from those who are ideologically opposed to the concept of secularism. But that's the point, isn't it? It's ultimately a war of principles and one is bound to win eventually; that is, the one with the numbers. If I were to wager on which principle that would be, I would put all my money and chips on secularism. My reason being that while other ideologies are usually exclusive and have a tendency to obliterate competitors, secularism is mostly inclusive, so it will always accommodate the most the number of ideologies; thus the most number of supporters. Departing from abstraction, we may examine the trends in some of the world's strictest 'ideolocracies', such as Saudi Arabia and and Iran, and we will see a clear proclivity towards secularism. The persuasive power of this principle, while painfully gradual, shouldn't be underestimated.

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Religion / Re: Will Secularism Promote Religious Tolerance In Nigeria ? What's Your Opinion. by AgentOfAllah: 2:39pm On Oct 15, 2017
Although, secularism is widely seen as separation of religion and state. However, I'd like to broaden the definition for my purpose to include separation of state and ideology in general. By so doing, my advocacy for secularism makes sense to me. Since it would necessitate the adoption of governance by rational pragmatism. I use a redefined "secularism" because I don't know of any coinage that satisfactorily describes my meaning presently. Maybe I will make one up, in order to avoid confounding the widely accepted meaning of secularism with mine. So yes, given my definition, I do think it will ultimately promote religious tolerance provided it is not just promoted, but enforced.

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Religion / Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by AgentOfAllah: 12:34pm On Oct 15, 2017
supersystemsnig:

Lets start from the beginning, scientific evidence proved that millions of years back, shortly before/after the world was formed, what was prevalent was just two key elements, Hydrogen 92%, and Helium 8%...But Why these two? By understanding the products of the reaction,we can illustrate the events that took place...and why i say it all began with Hydrogen, as simplistic as it may seem...but there are characteristics of this element that shares oneness with a being, which is the number 1, the number of proton, neutron,electron, the " ONE " in Hydrogen should be examined closely and from here we can continue our probe, i'll like to continue, but want us to stay on this for a while before we continue...
I think the real ratio of Hydrogen:Helium is actually ~75%:~25%. But onto the main point, there are other isotopes of hydrogen that defy your "oneness" notion; of which the most stable are deuterium (2H) and tritium (3H). The role of these isotopes may seem insignificant because they are less than 1% of existing hydrogen atoms, but note that they were pivotal in the synthesis of other elements. Simply put, no other element would exist without these other isotopes.

Now i started with hydrogen because it is extremely chemically stable, in chemistry, we'll understand that because of the relative stability of the nuclei of this element, it would require extreme force to set the nuclei apart and once this is achieved, it creates a series of spontaneous and continuous chain reactions that sets off other products that continue to react with themselves and this continuous and massive reactions was the beginning of all things...

But why Hydrogen? Hydrogen is so chemically stable as my fellow scientists will agree that breaking or infusing its sub-components to become one, requires what in science is called the energy of the sun...
Hydrogen is actually the exact opposite of chemically stable, and it is not really correct that its nuclei is set apart. Note that hydrogen starts off as protium, which is a single nucleus with nothing to split into. What actually happens isn't splitting (fission) but combination (fusion) of proton and neutron. After fusion, the protium becomes deuterium and then further reaction with another protium/deutorium may form helium, Now because the energy of the product is usually lower than that of the reactants, excess energy is given off, by ejecting high energy gamma ray/neutron. This high kinetic energy neutron then goes on to react with another protium, starting the cycle again. Hence the chain reaction.
I have never personally heard the term "energy of the sun", but if it means anything, it is probably just a reference to the process by which the sun radiates, which is, through hydrogen fusion.

It is too difficult to do that over 60 years of scientific research has not been able to fuse.. Look to the stars, planetary bodies, planetary formation, this same reactions is producing new plants, galaxies, and guess what the dominant element that has been observed in them is? Hydrogen....So, on paper research scitentist will tell you just like i am how by reacting, either breaking or combining its sub atomic parties can create atleast 80% of the elements in the world today, look for a radioactive delay illustration of Hydrogen for reference
It is not that difficult to fuse hydrogen, actually. Hydrogen fusion is exactly the operational principle of a thermonuclear bomb. It is in fact, done in labs all the time, using particle accelerators. Actually, only 25% of elements were created by hydrogen fusion. The remain 75% are ionic protiums (bachelor hydrogen atoms) desperate for electronic mates.

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Religion / Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by AgentOfAllah: 11:43am On Oct 15, 2017
shaybebaby:


After generation Z, what's the next one to be called? We've reached the end of the alphabets.

It is appropriate that the Donald came right in the nick of time then, coz his impending nuclear apocalypse will spare us the need to invent a new letter for the generational alphabet, so sleep easy...or don't (not sure which one bothers you more)! tongue wink

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Religion / Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by AgentOfAllah: 11:31am On Oct 15, 2017
shaybebaby:

Talking about grounded, the said person keeps My education well rounded.
Here is what has been dug up on you tube and being digested as a little morning pick me up before heading out on his daily adventures.
I kind of think it has a certain relevance to this discussion. Kind of brings into perspective when people say "I believe" how insignificant that belief is in the face of what is shown to exist and the vastness of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isppUA0MZmw
Nothing like a dose of perspective to put us in our non-place!

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Religion / Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by AgentOfAllah: 10:08am On Oct 15, 2017
shaybebaby:

Red was the only one who questioned why the bad piggies left their home to come party with the birds. But he was kind of like an outsider because he was prone to anger and the other birds didn't think it was normal to angry. Made them gullible.
So you, clever with a temper just like red. grin
Wow! That's a formidable reputation to carry...I mean, this guy has a billion dollar franchise created just for him! I wish to someday be just like him!

And yeah, that's the movie...stupid me, asking for the title. Duh!!
grin grin Your overexposure to Generation Z craze is making you forget yua roots!

If you enjoyed that, then you should see Hitman's Bodyguard(Ryan Reynolds and Samuel L Jackson) and also Kingsman and the sequel Kingsman Golden Circle (and no, not the condom before you go there tongue).
Thanks for the recommendations. Seen Hitman's bodyguard and Kingsman...although, didn't know that latter has a sequel, so added on my to-watch list.
That Golden Circle reference though, wicked! At the peak of its popularity on TV ads, I saw it as nothing more than discoloured balloon, so thank you very much for ruining my childhood memories. tongue

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Religion / Re: Would Eliminating Religion Improve The World Or Worsen It? by AgentOfAllah: 8:58am On Oct 15, 2017
Samsimple:
Agentofallah the summary of what you are saying is man can't do without religion and vice versa
Not quite! Man certainly can do without religion. I have done without it for years. But it is not really important that he does! What's important is to vest the collective authority, not in religion, but in secular principles.
Religion / Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by AgentOfAllah: 8:42am On Oct 15, 2017
shaybebaby:

Ha, now why does that ring a bell.. I think that's from a Bruce's Willis movie, help me with the title.
Lol exactly! The movie's title is exactly that: Retired and Extremely Dangerous (RED)

And no, I mean Red from angry Birds. Mighty Eagle may suit other persons better wink
Phew! Most times, these generation Z cultural references just fly over my head! You're lucky you have someone to keep you well informed and grounded. At the risk of spoiling the reference, I'm really curious to know the characteristics I share with Red? cheesy

Hahaha @ Mighty Eagle persons.

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Religion / Re: Would Eliminating Religion Improve The World Or Worsen It? by AgentOfAllah: 8:29am On Oct 15, 2017
ebenice:
so if elimination of religion has no bearing on how the world turns out help me analyse this scenario
Israel vs her neighbours
Majority of Israelis are Jews, practicing Judaism..then the largely minority Muslims and christians. Now..if this wasn't the case..supposing Israel is a muslim caliphate like Iran Iraq Saudi Arabia Yemen and the others who are 90+% Muslims,

1- do u think there would have been regular conflicts? Viz avis Gaza, west bank etc which has been the mask behind the regular conflicting views in the region?

2- would US have made an Ally out of Israel pouring billions ? The US know exactly why it us doing all that

Truth is religious views indeed shape the world.
Valid points! Religious views presently shape the world, no doubt. However, my argument stems from the conviction that pretty much all global conflicts, historical and modern, are for the control of resources. Religion has merely served as the rallying cry that masks that stark reality. So, what I meant by my statement is that forcing people to eschew religion wouldn't do anything to address the elementary cause of crises because we'd probably just find new masks (such as tribe, skin colour, social class, etc) to fight the same old wars. As such, eliminating religion or any other rallying ideology wouldn't change the world as it is, however, embracing secular principles will unmask our true nature, maybe humble us, and then shame us into negotiating with each other based, not on silly ideologies and false senses of entitlement, but, on rational pragmatism.

Another fact. The big bang theory and other scientific research couldn't give a vivid and accurate detail about how life started..but religion like Judaism, Christianity Islam brought a more thorough detail " creation" which till date have not been totally disrepute no matter how science tried
Vividness or thoroughness do not independently translate to accuracy. Game of Thrones is a very vivid and thorough story. That doesn't make it factual. So, even if religious accounts were thorough - a claim which I vehemently dispute, considering the staggering amount of errors, illogicalities and contradictions they promote - I don't know that they are accurate. Thus, I do not feel a need to disprove them. Only proven things can be disproved!

Ofcos just like all other theories..economic,political and what have you had their own short comings, Religion has equally had it own fair share..
Yes it does!

And in saying religious laws doesn't evolve with the times...well it may be true..as No "God" would want to see His laws changed..it will be term rebellion..but neither would our secular laws be treated with levity if broken.
Why not? It wouldn't be rebellion if the "god" changed its own laws to adapt to present human situation, would it?

The LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF is forever the best suitable law of all times
It's a stupid and unrealistic law! No one has ever, and will ever love their neighbours as themselves. If so, you'd gift to your neighbour everything you acquire for yourself out of self love. If you can convince me that your neighbour drives the same car as you, lives in the same house as you, eats the same food as you, and gets half of your income, then I am willing to relent on my scepticism.

But I believe more blame lies in us human and not religion...the Animal kingdom don't do religion yet they have been existing till date..it is we humans that keep interfering in their affairs.
Yes, I agree with you. Maybe even go one step further and not blame religion at all! War is human nature, but so is peace, shame, love, happiness, sadness and all attendant complexities ever expressed by humans. Once we identify our admirable and despicable traits, maximising our admirable ones and minimizing our despicable ones becomes a little bit easier.

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Religion / Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by AgentOfAllah: 4:21am On Oct 15, 2017
supersystemsnig:




We are brothers and comrades, no enemity,,, i like the interactions we shared, and we should do this once in a while..we both should do this..I appreciate everytime we both put into this...You mde my day brov..gotta sleep..chao
Cheers bro. Yes, let's do this more. I'm sure there's much to learn from each other if we listen more. smiley
Religion / Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by AgentOfAllah: 11:22pm On Oct 14, 2017
shaybebaby:

I'm going to call you Red from now on.
Haha! I'm retired and extremely dangerous? grin grin
Religion / Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by AgentOfAllah: 11:15pm On Oct 14, 2017
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butterflyl1on:


Why are you getting worked up all of a sudden? In your egotistical way you talk down and insult peoples posts at will and I know because you have done it to me often. I never knew you couldn't take what you dish out.

Knowledge is not your exclusive right and I am sure this awakening suddenly made you irritable and instead of speaking properly and intelligently towards supersystemsnig you simply want to attack his person which is totally horrible.

You can now retort in your usual egotistical rude manner. Nothing new there.
Oga butterfly, aka ngor1, aka ngor2, I know say you don save me for mind since d day wey I gang with the others to expose your wayowayo likes and shares for Nairaland.
But anyway, your points are well received!


Firstly, thanks for reminding me that knowledge is not my exclusive preserve! I couldn't agree more with you on that point. As a matter of fact, I have only become acutely aware of my colossal ignorance with time.
To keep your restless mind at rest sir, I apologise to you if I've ever conveyed the impression that knowledge is my personal property. That has never been my intention. If anything, I should like that everybody knows more than me so that I never run out of things to learn. I also apologise for all the alleged "talkdowns" and "insults" you claim I have meted on you. I try to be courteous in my conversations, as a matter of course, but I'm not infallible, so I may occasionally depart from this course. I regret all of that, if you've been at the receiving end of my moments of madness. However, the one thing I do not regret is exposing your b4 wayowayo arse. That has hopefully made you a better person.

Love you bro! kiss kiss kiss

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