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I was waiting for someone to make this spurious allegations. Smh

ephi123:
Thank you Ajibel. I totally see where you are coming from now. We can but only wish him success because when he succeeds, everyone will benefit from it. I will keep track on the link you shared.

It's been a great conversation. Have a good evening and a great week ahead.

Cheers

Exactly ma'am. It's our wish for him to succeed and if we are to criticise him, it should be done constructively. He is a human like us but he holds so much promise to make things better.

https://www.nairaland.com/3164383/want-nigerian-promise-fulfilled-before

I'm glad we at least agreed on something at the end. I just couldn't chicken out of the discussion



It's my pleasure discussing with you too.

Have a great week ahead ma'am

ephi123:
Not at all. I very much respect Fashola, I saw what he did in Lagos and how he transformed it. He's got what it takes to deliver, which is why I had high expectations for him when he was appointed as a Minister. Hopefully, he will come through.

Everyone had high expectations of him. Personally, I was beginning to get disappointed in him but when I started following his articles, speeches and projects via the twitter handle I shared with you, I realised he is doing so much but the media has chosen not to document it.

They'll rather carry news of him allegedly involved in contract procurement mess and all that.

He's going to deliver. I so much believe in the man and he wont let you down too.

ephi123:
You really are tenacious!!

Well, I could say the same for you too because you've also clung to your opinion and have refused to shift ground. Except maybe you have a personal beef with Fash, and you don't like him at all and that might be what the issue is. Because people wont see any good in what someone they already dislike does.

I hope it's no so ma'am please

ephi123:
I still maintain my stand but thanks for the link, I will certainly keep tabs on it.
Have a good evening.

You mean I haven't been able to convince you beyond reasonable doubts for you to shift your stand?

Good evening ma'am

ephi123:
Yep. It is futuristic until it is done.
Efforts don't count for anything unless they produce results - which in this case it is yet to.

Definitely they would produce results but the reason we had this argument was because it was unfair of you to claim Fash is overwhelmed and he is doing nothing. He is very much active in the capacity he can as a Min of Power as much as he is doing to the works Ministry.

You can follow https://twitter.com/fmpwhng for updates on what he is doing.

Thanks ma'am

Wow. From the angle of the government, this is a welcome devt.

But how would the fire fighters get there because that place is not motorable but swampy and you can only get there via boats?!

ephi123:
Lots of futuristic comments, so let's come back at the end of the year and see what has been done. Until then, as far as I am concerned, Fashola is struggling. You do not have to agree.

Futuristic?

Are you doubting that such projects are on going?

Do you want these power plants to be built in a matter of days?

I do not have to agree or you dont want to give Fash the benefit of a doubt? I am only trying to enlighten you on the activities of Fashola and his efforts at improving power supply.

ethene:
let us stop the deceit, there is no way u compare Lagos to Anambra I don't know what we gain in spreading such fallacy; u can't even compare Anambra to rivers. this is no hate but the truth which everyone knows.

I'm sorry sir. I have modified my original post. I meant to say you "cant" compare Anambra and Lagos state.

We are on the same page.

ephi123:
Sir, why are you also not answering the questions I asked?

I asked you first.

Anyway, to your question Fashola assumed office in November 2015. That's about 14 months now.

And he has made some progress. For instance two power plants Zungeru project and one other with a combined capacity of over 1000 MW would be coming on stream this year.

Also, solar panels that would generate about 1,300 MW would also come on stream before the end of the year.

So there would be improvements in electricity hopefully by the end of the year.

ephi123:
And how many months has Fash been minister?

Ma'am why are you running away from the argument/ question?

ephi123:
The excuse mantra. You guys should get ready to continue in that darkness whilst waiting. Gonna be a looong wait.

Madam, how many months do you think it takes to build a power plant of 100 MW?

ethene:
If u go through all my posts u would see that av never been biased with respect to ethnicity, religion or tribe. The truth all these awards are all political awards. For instance the 'The Sun governor of the year award' has always been a way of Orji Uzor Kalu to recognize the governors of the SE and SS geopolitical zones. The silverbird award too is another political award created by the 'Common sense senator' to ridicule his political enemies.
Truth be told, if the Sun award were to be based on merit that award should have gone to no other person other than governor Ambode. I bet u next Sun award would either go to either the governors of Enugu, Anambra(for the 2nd time), Abia, Akwaibom or wike for the 2nd time and I don't think he may want to give it to Rochas.

Bro please Ambode is miles ahead of these people and for that shouldn't be given such award.

You cant compare Anambra and Lagos, whose economy is the 5th largest in Africa.

Obiano's recognition here is because with the resources of the state, he has done so much and for me, he really deserves it and deserves another term.

Congrats Obiano

ephi123:
Dude, answer the question - if Fashola has achieved all this and is not struggling, why is the country still in darkness?

I'm not interested in epistles, the reality on ground speaks for itself. Eod.

The country is still in darkness because

1. Supply of gas is not enough.

2. The Discos are in huge debt due to inability to pay the Gencos and so they dont accept power that is given to them

3. Power generation at 4,000MW over these years is just not enough

Power has never been good and Fashola's efforts cant yield results immediately because these are capital projects that take months to be completed.

Igbo and Yoruba doing great things together but here on NL

ephi123:
Masterstroke? You really must be kidding. How does it make sense to give a single individual 3 key ministries? You think running a state is the same as ministries that cut across the whole nation of 190 million +

Turning your question back at you, what has Fash achieved with Power if he is not struggling?

It's only in Nigeria people turn things upside down and expect results. You are on a long thing.

When you read up on the reasons why those ministries were merged, you'll understand. I wont do that for you ma'am.

Do you know the job of a minister ma'am?

A minister is like an administrator. To convey the visions and plans of the government to the ministry workers he is superintending.

He is there to formulate policies and give focus to those doing the actual job.

What has he achieved?

1. Power transmission projects that have been abandoned due to court cases have been settled.

2. The transmission line carrying capacity has moved up to 7,000 MW

3. Licenses have been given to investors to generate power via solar energy. The first of its kind.

4. Funds have been released to complete new power plants and transmission lines to increase power generation.

5. And many more...

ephi123:
My point is he is obviously struggling coping with 2 major ministries, which means one will suffer (Power in this case). It never made sense right from the start why he would be given multiple ministries to handle.

There are many qualified people in Nigeria, the issue is if those would be selected, especially considering this biased president who doesn't make appointments on the basis of merit.

It is laughable to say Fashola is struggling. He was a governor for 8 years and he didn't struggle before he made Lagos a dream state so what more would 3 ministries pose as a challenge?

The merging of 3 ministries was a masterstroke by the President in his bid to cut down overhead cost and size of ministries.
It didnt make sense to you because you simply didnt recognise the reasons for the merger, when you do, you'll stop complaining.

There are many qualified people is a blanket statement! Those that were employed in the past (over 7 of them), what could they achieve?

ephi123:
Anyone who is qualified and has what it takes to deliver.

And what makes Fash unqualified?

And do you think his successor would deliver?

ephi123:
Dude should be left to focus on Works while someone else faces Power. There is only so much 1 person can do.

Who should face power?

amachuk:
Story for the gods, all you do everyday is sit down and manufacture lies, born out of hatred and envy. for over 15 years, from 1991 I was resident in the street just beside the filling station "OBOLI Lane" no 9a to be precise. I met that mobil filling station there in 1991 but somebody here is telling us that peter Obi approved the construction of that station, you are a cheap propagandist from Aguleri.

Thank you jare. I lived besides the petrol station and My mum even had her hospital close to the petrol station Ajibel medical center. I wonder why this one would come here now and say it was approved by Peter Obi

nonsobaba:
A
commission of enquiry should be set up to
ascertain the remote and immediate causes
of this fire incident which destroyed
hundreds of millions of naira worth of
property and all culprits should be severely
punished. That petrol station was given
approval by former governor Peter Obi to
be built in that densely populated residential
area against every norm of city planning
and i think Peter Obi should be invited first
to answer questions. I maintain that Peter
Obi is a crooked fellow who ran Anambra
state like a crooked enterprise. Little wonder
nemesis has caught up with him and he has
been decimated politically.

Bro, but that Petrol station has been there long before Peter Obi came in even during the times of Mbadinuju.

EmperorTech:
And I would have given you a dirty slap for this rubbish if this wasn't happening online. Before you start been stvpid here, should we please post their both personal achievements before they became govs. Before you do, its imperative I bring to your notice that Afrinvest is regarded as one of the first and biggest privately owned financial consulting firm in Nigeria and west Africa sub region, and to further inform you that Godwin Obaseki owns it. So boy, spill your trash.

What has their achievement before becoming a governor has to do with what they can achieve as a governor?

Have you even seen Ambode's intimidating CV when he was campaigning?

That shouldnt even be a subject to discuss about. Both governors despite being in the same party are far apart. Besides, it is even more silly of you to even compare an Ambode of two years to an Obaseki that just came in.

Even if Ambode spends just four years and Obaseki does an eight years, Ambode's achievements would surpass that of Obaseki.

There is no basis for comparing both here Mr.

I know you might be someone paid or employed to defend your boss online but you're making a big mistake in comparing him with Ambo.

That's my own for you.

EmperorTech:
FACT! Both in personal achievements before becoming govs of their various states and how good they have done, Ambode is nowhere near Godwin Nogheghase Obaseki.

Imagine this kind of stupid talk I am seeing this early morning. If you mention this trash in the presence of Obaseki, he'll slap the devil out of you.

ayobamiakinrind:
Let someone insert cocaine into your bag, then tell NDLEA that it's not yours. Some people are just so gullible, who's the principal accountant of the ministry? Who's the overseer?

You are comparing two different things here sir.

If someone inserts cocaine into my bag, it is either I am aware or careless to have let my bags be tampered with. But there could be an evidence to show that I wasnt the one who inserted the cocaine if there is a CCTV camera.

In this case of Fash, he prepared a budget for his ministry, he sends it to the budget office who now makes the final preparations and hand it over to the President for onward presentation to the NASS. Once the minister sends his budget proposal to the budget office, it doesnt return to him for another cross-check. Therefore, the budget office or finance ministry might have done the insertion without the consent of the Minister. Good a thing there is an opportunity to call on the Finance office to explain the insertions.

Thanks sir.

refreshrate:
Sebi they've written letter to invite finance minister ?

Let's wait oga.

I will remind you then.
Till then let's just chill biko, time has already gone

Yup they have and I am expecting their defense. It's what I was waiting for because I wanted to hear from both sides before commenting but I had to set things straight because NLers can be misled with few mis-information posted here.

Dont be surprised if the Finance minister's defense doesnt get much media attention.

Do you remember when Premium times accused Fash of illegally awarding contracts to the tune of #150 billion or so? The news trended and many blasted Fash as corrupt.

Fash wrote a letter and defended himself but did that make the headlines? No

Point is, whatever paints this government in bad light grabs more attention and feedbacks.

refreshrate:
Yes it's true

Even the 78 million for website the other time no be him do am

It's okay if you dont like Fashola. Pick and feed and recycle his flaws all the time, the man is doing his best for the country. That's why the NASS is there to make changes and point out things like this.

What would you or I have done if the matter was swept under the carpet?

Just give credit that this government and the legislature has raised the bar in budget defense and process and stop going back to the past.

Good night sir.

allrightsir:
Please stop making excuses for mediocrity.

You submit a document to the budget office. You KNOW that even in a non fraudulent exercise, in the normal course of business the Budget office WILL work on your submission...that's their job. So won't you check to make sure the budget you are defending is the budget you submitted? How much more after the padding fiasco of the last budget.


I'm sorry we need to stop making excuses or we will never get anywhere as a country. Fashola is a Lawyer, he relies on associates to do the dirty work. If Fashola employed a lawyer who didn't check his work properly before going to court leading to embarrassment at the court, that lawyer will be sacked!!! I dont think he became a SAN by not being thorough or employing people who are not thorough. What is the benefit of having people with private sector experience in govt if they get to govt and behave like anything goes sloppy civil servants? He didn't have to check it himself, he could have detailed someone he trusts to go over what he submitted and what was sent to the National Assembly before embarrassing himself.


If you want to defend (or are ok with) mediocrity, feel free it's your perogative...but don't complain that nothing works in your country. The new administration already had an embarrassing episode with padding, your govt came to pwer on the mantra of sweeping out corruption, it behoves him to check what he submitted is what he is defending before going to the NA to embarrass himself.


Let me make it clear i am not accusing him of sharp practice, ,my charge is sloppyness

You see sir, it is very easy to criticise because it cost less to criticise than make research on how things are done. It is obvious most of us dont know how budget processes works and I would blame the FG for not educating the masses that's why most of us argue and criticise out of ignorance.

I have already explained how it works and what might have led Fashola to be unaware of the insertion. But well, you can choose to hold onto your criticisms because it's more convenient for you to.

Thank you sir.

jahsson:
bros if u are correct .. Then the budget/finance minister should be up there defending the budget...

but on d contrary .. The Minister Fashola who is solely responsible for everything that happens in the ministry is there to defend the budget of his ministry...

now if anything was added.. Firstly he would've cross-checked to make sure his reputation is not tarnished....

also on another note... Probably he was told about the inclusion and refused it ... But as Nigerians ... Theyl tell him .. "ah .. Oga leave am... Dem nogo talk... If them talk .. We go defend am.."...

hence, the reason he said to call the minister of finance to come and defend the inclusion in the budget...

All in all ... There is no excuse for ignorance... I don't know how it got there is not an excuse when u endorsed the budget...

N2bn is not an oversight... A couple of thousands here and there, yes.... Not N2bn...

not saying the man is a thief oooo .. But ave always thought something was fishy about that man when i heard him say .. He doesn't sign cheques ...so he only deals with cash abi...??...

Funny thing was everybody just took it lightly ..laughed over it n that was the end of the story...

if things continue like dis.. "flimsy oversights"... It is our children that will suffer...

as u see them sooo... These ppl u r defending ave already laid up riches for generations to come.... They don't care about the welfare of the people...

okay oooo... #wearewatching...

The budget/ finance minister isn't there to defend the budget because it is the budget of Fashola's ministry and he is the one to be there to defend it.

Here is what you dont understand sir from what I learnt about budget preparations, the Minister in this case prepares his ministries budget, goes through it and if satisfied then submits it to the Budget ministry for onward preparations. After the minister has submitted the budget proposal of his ministry, it wont be returned to him to do any further cross-check if anything was added at the budget office or finance ministry therefore, he wont be able to defend whatever has been inserted because the insertions are not there for him to cross-check.

Personally, I would wonder why they didnt communicate with him about the insertions because from the article, it was obvious Fashola wasnt aware of what the line item is about.

Bro, one question for you. When Fashola says he doesnt sign cheques, has anyone even from the opposition come out to say he is lying? Have you ever worked in the government to know how contracts are awarded and who signs cheques?

Fashola is the face of APC. Dont you think PDP would have capitalised on that statement to rubbish him. Let's not argue on what we dont know about. It is possible, he doesnt sign cheques. That's not the issue here though.

It is my responsibility to know how these thigns wrok because I may find myself there or you may or any of your relative. So it's better to understand before criticising sir.

I hope I have done justice to your comments.

Love Machine:
Human want is insatiable.

Are you saying if you are in Fashola's shoes, despite your success and achievements in office, you'll still involve yourself in scandals because "human wants are insatiable"?

Love Machine:
Fashola may not be the one who insert it but he will sure get his cut from it after the illicit deal is accomplished.

1. It is not an illicit deal because there is a purpose for the fund only that it is not coming from the ministry.

2. Fashola was a governor in Lagos state and enjoys pensions and is currently a minister with a good pay so he's never in any way going to enrich himself via inflated contracts. With the positions he has found himself in, he is highly contented.

allrightsir:
Doesn't Fashola know what is in his budget, how do you present a budget you know nothing about? Does that make sense to you? Stop hiding behind budgeting process that you obviously know nothing about.

When a ministry prepares it's budget, it is vetted by the Minister and then passed on to the Budget / Finance office who now prepares the final document which the president presents to NASS.

After the budget proposal has left a ministry, it can be tampered with by the Budget or Finance ministry. That's what happened in this case sir.

Icon79:
So how did that line item: FMOW99934089, got into the budget without Fashola's approval? Didn't he read the budget before signing off on it?

Just a gang of thieves operating amongst the den of robbers

They have turned Nigeria into a failed state.


O pari

The line item was inserted by the Min of Finance after Fash has submitted the budget to them. He doesnt know much about it.