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BKayy:
To be very sincere, Igboid biafrarep bkayy eastisbae Eastlink Ekealterego. We need to stop behaving like this, it won't do us anygood. We should stop grabbing lands, I'm tired of grabbing lands. Let us make something useful off ourselves and develop our 5 Igbo states.
We keep living in denial, the ijaw people sold us as slaves and sent us to sugar cane farms in the Americas, but let us turn a new leaf and make something good from ourselves by ensuring we won't be slaves again.

A slave will always be a slave.

BKayy:
What if he has no idea?
We don't actually know the kind of people we engage here. Some are not exposed at all

Look at this one talking like he has something upstairs.

SlayerForever:
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I take your insults as the noise of a little boy.

Stop forcing a connection between Nembe and Ijaw people.

Go and sit-down, between you and Igboid I don't know who's more dafter.

This is the disadvantage of mkpuru'mmiri, it kills your braincells, and why normal people have billions of brain cells, yours have detoriated to 2.

OfoIgbo:
You have obviously been beaten silly in this thread and you have no other choice than to regurgitate the same thing time and time again.
You now totally ignore the account of the expedition leader, whose account is more accurate. Guess the ethnic origin of the king Pepple that Crowther was referring to. He was of Igbo origin. Case closed.

Basden has slapped you guys silly with his neighbourhood of Bonny statement and his map of Igboland

Ok Igbo slave

SlayerForever:
That man is an Izon elder. You're a Nembe Igbo boy who is an Ijaw wannabe. You can't know Izon more than the real Izon people. The elder totally rubbished the linking of Oru to Izon. There were other people who said you're writing nonsense. Stop trying too hard to force a connection to the real Izon people.

Lol mumu.
In the proper CLOSED ijaws forum not on Facebook, we know ourselves, and our history.
Many uniformed people will grow old too.

You too will grow old to be a foolish and uninformed elder.

9Pluto:
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You are the one that needs a lesson in comprehension.
You claimed ijaws are known as Ndi Oru or UMUORU by Aboh people. You then posted a European account where the author confirmed that ijaw people are known as ijo by Aboh people.

Sometimes you need to read your own trash before rushing to post them.

Like I said again, check the 5th line because I can see it isn't blindness, but also dumbness
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Actually represent a statement from someone.
Don't mention.

Ekealterego:
[s]Bro, I cannot go in circles, we have discussed and given enough information on this Bonny issue... except there is no information that you on the Ijaw got to provide[/s] 60 days after tearing you apart on three to four different threads.

[s]Stick to the topic you opened. I was even willing to pay for some books to help you with whatever wild goose chase you are on with your Ijaw-Egypt connection. I could not get the book on the Yoruba comparison studies yet but I have made progress.

Slayerforever, Igboid, I was banned by the anti-spambot, I wanted to upload the information on the Igbo maritime prowess.
Edited
@Vintagepipes, thanks for the upload. [/s]

Sorry, you tore who apart??

OfoIgbo:
Captain Crowe confirmed that both the Ubani and Kalabari royal lineages were of Igbo ancestry. That's obviously not in doubt.

Kalabari people now speak a different language. To make you happy, let's just say that Kalabari people, while no longer Igbo-speaking, are being traditionally led by a royal family of core Igbo lineage. Are you happy now? An Igbo family now leads Ijoids. Congrats

Now getting back to Basden and his account, neighborhood of Bonny doesn't mean Bonny.

Ubani remains an Igbo coastal territory. I hope the Amadabo episode of a few weeks ago, has shed enough light in this regard

Oh shit, here we go again...

SlayerForever:
Alabo7978 come here you punk. Did I not tell you here Oru is not Izon but you kept claiming the name. Can you see a real Ijaw elder explaining it out. You people in Nembe claiming Ijaw are fake. Your Ijaw traditions are fake. Fake fake fake. Oru is a foreign word in real Ijaw culture and Nembe is Igbo.

Fool, I was in that group, and when I saw my monicker, I smiled...
That's by the way.

That dude said he has never heard of it before, stop mumuing yourself...
Everybody must not know a thing.
Oru is evident in the names ijoid people bare
ORUBEBE, ORUBO, ORUIGBUJI, ORUKARI, ORUWARI, ORUANGALA, ORU-FULO, ORU-NGO, ORU-KALANGO, etc.

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9Pluto:
I just observed this your interesting contradiction. In one sentence, you claim Aboh people refer to Oru people as Ndi Oru or UMUORU. After claiming that ijaw people are Oru. Then you quoted an account of where ijaw people are known as ijo in Aboh.

Igbos could refer to anyone with the Ndi prefix, meaning people of...but you see anyone/community with the Umu prefix is as igbo as igbos can be.
You also mentioned ijaw appellations with ORU prefix after saying Oru in ijaw means fallen demon. Well, aside from Oru being a term for riverine igbos, Oru also has several other connotations in igbo language and several people have the Oru prefix e.g Orumba, Afor Oru etc

I also noticed your mischief in saying they are referred to as Oru-igbo rather than just igbo . Yet, you and your gang have always added the ijaw suffix to all the communities you keep claiming in the delta e.g Nembe ijaw, Abua ijaw, Bille ijaw, Okrika ijaw, Ndoki ijaw, ibaka ijaw, ibani ijaw,Obolo ijaw, Ogoja ijaw etc. Whoever is mixing you concoction is doing a great job.

An igbo saying goes, `Oru na igbo bu nwanne'.

Here's a map of Ijo and Oru for your viewing pleasure.[/s]

I've always known you had jaundice.
The second one was actually a quote from baikie, not MY OWN QUOTE
With 100 naira you can buy vitamin A,
A card of cord liver oil is 350

I really feel for you bro.
My condolence.

9Pluto:
Don't turn this to another Bonny thread. Enough justice has been done to that history here and never was ijo/ijaw recorded or mentioned in relation to Bonny rather the Pepple Kings all confirmed they were Igbo.

Ijaw wasn't mentioned because we only were known as ijo of recent..
We were known as the Oru people

9Pluto:
Stop being ridiculous/silly with someone trying to give an igbo identity to itachi which is a Japanese name. Igbos and Japan don't share any heritage or geographic boundary.
All the places where igbo identify with has properly documented records to support their claims as well as language and cultural uniformity(from Delta to Rivers). Rather it is ijaws who keep claiming people whose language and culture has no relevance to their own. From Warri to Brass, Abua, Bonny,Opobo,Ndoki, Andoni, Obolo, Ogoja etc The claim continues. You guys need someone to tell you the truth at all times and I am glad that there is a litany of well informed igbos who keep showing you the history you are trying to falsify.

Fool, if you don't claim, then why do you say opu is Igbo, when I clearly showed you what opu meant.
Shut up your mouth...
You were there when he was claiming the word opu to be Igbo when I told him words and spelling cut across Ethnicity, continents and yes! I said what I said!
You igbos can claim Itachi to be chetachi.
Creative liars!

If you people can say Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon was neburu'cham'bu'eze, is it Itachi that is safe in your hands?
Comon gatawt of here, I know you all.

JANK23H:
These people are the most ludicrous people I've met.If that is the case a lot of Ijo towns with Kala and Opu prefix in Bayelsa,Delta,Edo and Ondo are Igbo towns.

There stupidity is humongous.

OfoIgbo:
Well, the leader of that same expedition, Dr. Balfour Baikie, in his own official account made it clear that, Kalabari people referred to Bonny as Ibani. That Igbos referred to the same place as Ubani. This is likely to be more accurate afterall UBANI has a meaning in Igbo.
Ibani has no meaning in Igbo, so it must have been the way Kalabaris pronounced Bonny, coining their own from the original UBANI, by the Igbos.
I also know Ibani has no meaning in Kalabari, so they obviously derived that name from the original Igbo word for Bonny, which is UBANI

Okoloma is the UBANI people name for Grand Bonny, and Okoloma also exists in Ndoki-Igbo territory. There is no Okoloma in any Ijaw areas, so the Igbo ownership of this territory is not in question.

I have attached Dr. Baikie's take on this issue, and as the leader of the expedition, his account is the official account. Dr Baikie authenticated John Adam's and Crowe's account of the original people of Bonny. Igbos own it.

But I thought you and your clowns maintain kalabari to be Igbo?
If they're Igbo, why Dem come dey corrupt "UBANI" as you said??
JANK23H robbstark putindbut let's see how he answers this.
Ekealterego SlayerForever Igboid biafrarep bkayy you can also help him create A LIE out of this.

ThickSharon123:
No European called you Oru, stop lying. Give us the reference. You were rightly called Jo men, the Europeans weren't blind and they observed you people well enough and said the Jo men were lost and had no history whatsoever.

Ok

OfoIgbo:
They will soon drag out Alagoa's fake reports, to challenge ancient records put down by neutral observers.

Igbos have never denied that perhaps the majority of the slave population in Ubani were Igbos.

All we are saying is that alongside the slaves of Bonny, the ruling dynasty was/is Igbo and a great majority of the non-slave indigenes of Bonny. Captain Crowe bore witness to this, from his observations that took place from 1790. The book was published after his demise in 1830.

So basically Bonny is totally Igbo.

It's funny Basden did not mention the ethnic group of the ruling family of Bonny, as provided by the Bonny monarch.

Where are our Ijaw brothers that are seeking solace in Basden? Please try and explain away the map of Igboland. He drew it. Not me.

This should clarify you.
Read carefully...

Eastlink:
Concerning that statue. Hope they can see the name of that dude at the bottom. When we told those clowns that Oputaibeya was Igbo name they doubted it. I told Alabo that Opu is Okpu in Igbo Izugbe. All the Opu such as Opusenibo etc are extracts of Okpu. A cap which signifies a title etc.

Oputaibeya is still bore in the South-East as a name by familiies. Chukukibie means that God is greater than his mates. Chukwu ka ibie or ibeya. Alabo could remember my second explanation of the name Oputibeya or Oputabie (A person who comes out to help his mates) it falls similar to the suffix in Chukukibie.

But guy you are dull
You pronounce cap as okpu.
That's by the way.


The opu you talk about means BIG
The ijoid people normally name this names to two brothers.
For instance;
Opu'ekule
Kala'ekule

Meaning senior ekule and junior ekule or big ekule and small ekule.
Try get sense for once in your life!
Words or spellings cut across tribes, nations, even continents.
So with this your stupidity, the Japanese footballer known as Itachi will be doctored by you to be Igbo.
I can imagine Ekealterego and ofoigbo saying Itachi is a corruption of chetachi or kachi.
Grow brains!
Grow sense!
Opu in ijoid tribes is big.
E.g Opu-alabo, opu-senibo, Opubo, opubigamabiri etc.
Try get sense.

Igboid:
What about Talbot, Glynn or Baike?

Baikie's later works was clarified by him. I quoted it on this article.
See listen, you all should be asking yourselves why your favorite journal isn't found in the largest information repositories in the world like CDER library, library of Congress E-site/shelve, encyclopedia Brittanica etc.
Or will you say ijaw people own those repositories?
Brother man work to have a meaningful relationship with your neighbors and not to own them. You will end up making them to despise you.
I'll advice you people as friends because I have so many eastern friends even more than my ethnic friends, Dem no dey do like una.
You all are just fighting a lost cause and at the same time bringing hate on yourselves. Reason the country doesn't trust you with the number one office in the country because of your wawaness.
Stop being cunning and crafty. This advice is coming from the depth of my heart. Stop trying to claim everywhere for your own.
There's one pastor who a man gave land to start a ministry temporaly, to be paying. That man had a brother who stood as a witness.
Do you know that when the owner of the land died, and the brother started asking for rent, this pastor said he should get out and go and call the owner of the land. Igbo man o, na so e dn claim that land. Things like this happen everywhere.
I travel alot, and I must be honest I have never seen any body as Wawa as the average Igbo man. A showfer, and an arrogant person. They don't even trust themselves because they know they are to wawaish. So please brother man, you and your cohorts should turn a new leaf.
You are the only Igbo people I've come across that does this, and since I came across you all, I've on several occasions subtly chip in this topic with many Igbo people I'm close to (my grandfather, colleagues, business partners, etc) they tell me that you all are nuisance and are the people bringing bad name to the Igbo people, so please brother man, repent from your ways e'jim chineke'ke'eligwe n'uwa, biko, a'na'ma yio'unu.
Udo.

Igboid:
Through the memoirs of Captain Crow, we know that Aros not only conducted the Efik founders of New Calabar, but settled among them and ruled them as kings.
See receipt below. Captain Crow noted that the majority of the inhabitants of New Calabar and Bonny as of that point in time were on the majority Igbos, the kings of Bonny and New Calabar were of Igbo origin too.

Also, Asari Dokubo admitted that his great grandfather was of Abam( Aro) origin and ruled Buguma!

You and crow's disasterpieace again.

You too like weeded, fallacious and obsolete works.

JANK23H:
That map showed where Igbos are located which included Bonny.Before then however,he had introduced a caveat that Igbos weren't indigenous to Bonny.I saw the map,so what's there to cry about?

wonderful snippets.
That's what I've always said...after the subsequent expeditions during missionary journeys, the fact was unraveling that the igbos who were at the Delta's were slaves, and as Ekealterego said, the delta was filled with disease and less habitable.

Thank you once again JANK23H

Igboid:
Yet you rushed to quote Talbot who only made a guess using "Perhaps" on the antiquity of Ijaw, while directly quoting same Captain Crow you don't take serious on the Igbo origin of Bonny!

You don't take Captain Crow serious, but you quote a book written by a man who took him serious enough to quote him.

so someone quote him, e mean say e quote him entire writing?
Don't you know what quote means?

OfoIgbo:
I will be happy for you to also attach the map of Igboland that Basden drew. That will make you cry.

Igboid take note. Basden killed Ijaws with the map of Igboland that he sketched in his book

Sigismund Koelle's map was the most accurate in the 1800s and early 1900s

nuelleoz:
There is also another version of Israel being of the tribe of Naphtali

Yes,
Izon was a strong city in naphtali, a war broke out and after it was destroyed, they journeyed.
There could also be a migration from them, hence this name.
Izon.

Igboid:
I don't think the Krus are too small to have given birth to Ijaws when we think about it.
Krus number just about 1.1million people which is just about same population of real Ijaw of 4 LGAs in Bayelsa State and few more in Delta State.

Please there were never a navigable route from Nigeria to Arabia by sea or any water body at any point in time in history.

Ijaws are obviously late migrants to the South of the Igbo and Ibibio country from Western (Sierra Leone, Liberia, Togo, Ghana) direction.

And speak the truth bro.
The 1.1 million Krus spread across Liberia, ivory coast and sierraleon.
3 countries!
You're trying to make it seem like it's one.
The ijaws
Are close to 20million in Nigeriaaking them the 4th largest Ethnicity in the country.

Igboid:
I don't think the Krus are too small to have given birth to Ijaws when we think about it.
Krus number just about 1.1million people which is just about same population of real Ijaw of 4 LGAs in Bayelsa State and few more in Delta State.

Please there were never a navigable route from Nigeria to Arabia by sea or any water body at any point in time in history.

Ijaws are obviously late migrants to the South of the Igbo and Ibibio country from Western (Sierra Leone, Liberia, Togo, Ghana) direction.

No one said there is a route to Arabia by sea, I was just portraying an instance how people migrate to long distance in those days

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BKayy:
You just like writing nonsense.
When did Kalabari turn to Ijaw? Have you forgotten Boma of BBNaija that also confirmed that Kalabari being referred to as Ijaw is fallacy on national TV?

Maybe your stupidity is not yet cleared because you still call the place "Kalabari" which is a corrupted form of "New Calabar".
The real name of the place is "BOM" go and ask their Elders.

I am happy that you are the one that decided to expose the alien nature of Ijaw in between one Igbo clan of Oguta (Ugwu-nta) , Kalabari (Bom) etc.
I remember when we showed you people "Ụmụ Okirika" in Imo State and you were shocked. Atleast the breeze of truth now blows from all sides including you aliens.

cc SlayerForever, Ekealterego, Igboid[/s]

You have always been the most dumbest amongst your comrades.

Ekealterego:
Vikings had great blacksmiths, arts, philosophies and conquered vast territories and also kings on lands. Vikings were not doing rudimentary Stoneage fishing. There were Igbo kingdoms that were famed for their ability on the waters. Laird and Oldfield in the 1830s commented on the commercial and agricultural power of the Igbos in the Rivers.
Again, in those days, those creeks were less desired and almost inhabitable. That is why the population of the creeks are still scanty even today.

And for this topic, if you added a reference and compare arts and archaeology, it will help your hypothesis further.

Did the Ijaws migrate through the Nile River? How did they jump all the way from Egypt straight to the southernmost tips of Western Africa? If i am to guess, the Ijaws were more from the West, from around Sierra-Leone. They have similar culture to the Kru people.

There is a textbook written about the Yorubas linking them to ancient Egypt. The author made a compelling submission by comparing Yoruba old arts with ancient Egyptian arts. A very compelling book. However, I read this book in a library like 7 years ago and I do not know if they have an electronic version and I cannot remember the name of the book exactly.
When I see it, I will recommend that you pursue this comparison system to find answers, it will somewhat solidify your postulations.

The first BOLDED part very rightly explains why the creeks belonged to the ijaws alone, it was very undesirable for habitation due to the disease and death in it. That was why we had to use our trading canoes to go upstream to azumini blue river(the center of commerce then) to batter our salt, dried fish, perriwinkles, snails etc for yams, oil, maize.
We also traded with the Benins who like the hinterlands didn't see any good in coming down to the creeks. It was during the palm oil trade that things changed.
You just said exactly what I've been saying all along.

They didn't jump.
Those days, there were navigable route to even Arabia from Nigeria, so there was a long hike through trading route. They were most probably fleeing an invasion.

The sierraleonean kru are too small to have had ijaws come from there.
The kru people you know were fishermen who got lost during fishing expedition, I also had a cousin who got lost one early morning back from fishing, he was returning from camp and the fog was too much and when it cleared, he found himself at Kula.
Ijaw men who go on long fishing expedition on the coast get lost, some never came back again and it is a well known tale from those days.

The comparison with the Vikings were based on commanding a water vessel, and yes I know of that book by the Yoruba guy. In one page he made mention of the ijaws too.
I could research and write a thesis on it but that's not my calling.

nuelleoz:
To be honest. I dispute this history, As a Izon man, it is contrary to what I know and also contrary to two other accounts of the ancestry of the Ijaw people.

There were different migration patterns.
Some people also came from iselema-warri, some Benin. One particular people didn't form the ijaw Nation, so there is every pointer that we had a batch from Egypt.

But feel free to tell me the one you buy.

SlayerForever:
Mindi is a purely Igbo word.

Lol, I see...

So which other Igbo clan uses mindi?
Don't lie o, I Sabi Igbo pass your papa sef.
I'm waiting.

JANK23H:
Alabo7978 you can do a thorough work on the Oru-Igbo and Ijo connection.I'll do same.

Your hypothesis may be correct considering the typical Ijo migration pattern.

Who knows if the original occupants of Onitsha and some riverine communities in Imo are Ijos.It will be fantastic to know.With their fixation on Ijo history, Igboid, Slayerforever and other goons might have Ijo connection sef

You're right owei...

It is very known that wherever there is a river, an ijaw Man isn't far off at all.
The greatest ever sailors and navigators of all the water bodies even as far as Liberia and beyond. We are definetly the Vikings of Africa.
The igbos stayed far off from the river and did more agriculture, but Ekealterego SlayerForever Igboid biafrarep bkayy eastisbae Eastlink want us to believe the igbos are affiliated to the water bodies.
If not tell me why the Oguta people ALWAYS call on ijaw people of kalabari to come and settle land dispute and overlooking their nearest neighbors?
Orlu might also be Oru who knows?

Parachoko:
Don't you get tired in partaking in this kind of senseless thread?

Swerve...

Igboid:
Alua, nua, etc, are Igbo greetings Ijaw copied.
These greetings are used as far as Nsukka at the border of Igbo and Igala.
And the Ika at the border of Igbo and Bini/Esan.

They have nothing to do with Ijaws, rather the Ijaws copied them from their Oru/Olu Igbo neighbors, some of who they have assimilated and Ijawnized.

Anyone that grew up in Enugu in the early 2000s will know of a radio program on ESBS Enugu by Nsukka people called "Nsukka Alua".

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281498706_Local_Dialect_Radio_Programmes_Rural_Development_and_Social_Integration_The_Case_of_Nsukka_Alua_Radio_Nigeria_Enugu_Programme

Kai!
Blood of Jesus.
Comon gatawt with your lie!
Oru-igbos which aren't big influenced ijaws whom are quite large, but this Oru-igbo you talk about couldn't influence the igbos and the Igbos couldn't influence them either.
How does this explanation sit well?
Ogbeni tell me how?

You Igboid you are too much! I hail you! I fear you!
Mua Alabo George na tu'gi'egwu.