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hifaif: Oh, how interesting. So God knew everything right from the beginning. He wrote the drama, yet the actors had to write their own parts.

Mmm, what can we call such a script?

The issue here is whether God used the new testament to correct mistakes in the old and i ve tried to clear it by showing that he actually planned the old and the new together. You are just mixing up things. Lets face what the op raised first. When you try to mix up things it doesnt show sincerity of purpose.

Xcapist: This is some twisted stuff bro
I wish people would see it for what it is instead of trying so hard to explain such blatant discrepancies away in an even more confusing manner...

And i wish you will understand it the way it really is than the way you think it is.

Xcapist: So we are just acting out God's script that was written from the beginning, right?

Yea to an extent. But on the other hand we are responsible for our action, choice and its consequences.

Xcapist: Is the old testament also as relevant and accurate in its portrayal of the person of God as the new Testament?

Like I said, each of the testament projected the various ways of God's dealing with man. The old was God's dealing with man before Christ came while the new shows God's dealing with man in the era of Christ(grace).

PastorAIO: It didn't say that Jesus death was planned at the beginning. It says that it happened at the beginning.

Well the main point i was driving at was that the new testament did not come as an after thought. Its not as if God was using it to correct a mistake he made. Both the old and new were a total package from the beginning

Xcapist: I always believed that God is perfect - almighty and all knowing, and He neither lies nor errs. He is perfect and his word is true and final. But I struggled for a long time with some scriptures in the old Testament, especially ones that seem to portray God's ethical failings and the sickening gory details of some of the rites and rituals. The new Testament, though, seem to fix a lot of these initial issues.

But my question is if God is perfect, why do we need two testaments - one to fix fulfill the other?

Revelations 13;8.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The above scripture shows that the redemption plan(death of Jesus) was planned together along side with the creation plan. It then means that the old testament and the new were a total package. Its not as if it was an idea that came to God at some point in the old testament. The birth, death and resurrection of Jesus began the new testament and this was a preplanned thing from the foundation of the world.

Both the old testament and the new reflected the various sides of God and the various ways he deals with man. God deals with man in various ways. When he says he cannot change it doesnt mean that he deals with everybody in one straight jacket way. It means that none of his characteristics/attributes(love, wrath, mercy, goodness, omnipotence, omniscient, omnipresent etc) will change or cease to exist. As for the way he deals with us? It varies.

The new testament wasnt an after thought for God.

CANTICLES: ..... Really , am not suprised with ur comments , U are still among those whom have been trained to kill and torture their enemies ! Do u love ur enemies ? Certainly not ! U tink God is so shallow minded as such .... TRUTH: u dont just quote some verse blindly, u av to Be like d Apostles, Who " REASONING from the scripture" Act 17:2

Forget all your false stories bro. You are a deceiver. Stop interpreting the bible with sentiments and emotions. Only cheap minds who hates bitter truth and loves sweet falsehood will believe your gospel of deceit.

KingEbukasBlog: mr op does this post really matter ? are u giving hope to the unbelievers ? you should be more interested in making heaven than what hell has in store for unbelievers . After so much time you took to post this sef and it ends up being false . You need the Holy Spirit to guide you in sensitive issues like this and stop relying on your human intelligence for Christ's sake ! Thank you

The guy needs help.

peteregwu: O BOY, YOU MISSED ROAD, YOU NEED HELP!

Yea you are right. The guy needs help. He is teaching falsehood.

plaetton: I agree with you absolutely.
Religion is a mental illness.
Some are benign, while the majority are acute.

Yet tHere are also people who don't belong to any religion who wrecked havoc in the society, coommitted horrible crime against humanity. Its not isolated to religion alone so balance your reasoning on this.

Weah96: I haven't joined your ranks because there is no evidence of your God and I believe that the authors of the bible were intoxicated on psychedelic drugs. Otherwise, I would be a Christian or a Muslim by force, as would every other atheist.

That means you are wrong in your claim that God is forcing you to serve him. As long as you are not serving him, you and your fellow atheists remain part of the many proof across the globe that God does not force us to serve him.

qstar: Thank goodness that you're beginning to consider the possibility of god's non-existence.

Again our opinion about God does not change him from who is.

Weah96: Presenting a choice between death and allegiance is not called FORCE again? LOL.

ISIS is beheading non Muslims after offering them the CHOICE to convert. Are they not forcing people to choose Islam?

The ISIS thing you are presenting is a different thing pls.

When you are asked to study and pass your exam or don't study and fail, is it force?

Same thing here- follow the good way that leads to eternal life or the bad way that leads to eternal damnation.
Billions are not choosing the way to eternal life(including you), who is forcing you?
If it is force why are you and the billions of others not in the way to eternal life yet?

qstar: @alexleo

The way you and someother Christians on this board go about exposing your avalanche of fear, as regards "the hell-doctrine/eternal damnation", makes one wonder the actual veracity of your morality.

Similar to me being faithful to my partner because i fear that Santa would flog me if i didn't.

Bro there is no fear.

There is nothing wrong in telling someone that if he touches a live high tension wire he will be shocked to death.

There is nothing wrong in warning someone about danger that is ahead.

Even on the express road you ll see warning signs such as- 'danger ahead'. Nothing wrong about it bro. Its the same thing that we are doing.

ericessien24: I no see her face oh,and its not about getting married BUT STAYING married

Exactly. I'm not tripped by these kind of things anyway.

qstar: Neither can your opinion change anything bro. God's probable non-existence cannot be influenced by your assertions.

Of course non of us can change anything concerning whether God exists or not. The more reason why you should be careful because if at the end of the day when you die you discover that he truly exists and you are faced with his eternal damnation, its not gonna be funny you know.

qstar: Your kind of Christianity is hard to find. Is this what all Christians believe? When you embark on a task and fail, who do you blame?

Quick question... let me understand your stance first

If you were given three objects, "X", "Y" and "Z" to choose from, what would be God's bearing on that?

a) God doesn't interfere. ( )

b) There's no God involved. ( )

c) God knows the object you are gonna choose. ( )

The above does not represent the issue we are discussing. The issue here is that God has set two ways before us. The narrow way that leads to eternal life and the broadway that leads to eternal damnation. He made provision for us how we can obtain the salvation which is the key to the narrow way. Its left for you to choose the way to follow. God does not force people to follow the way of eternal life.

qstar: You do know the implication of what you are saying, right?

As an unbeliever, i know i am responsible for my own choices, no god, no devil.

Your opinion cannot change anything about God bro. Whether you are a believer or not does not remove anything from whom God is. I pray you don't realize your error late.

qstar: But, you, a beiever in God, ain't God supposed to influence your choice(s) in life?

God does not influence our choices except you ask him as a believer to guide you in your choices. Even at that, he wont still force you to do what he is saying. The choice still remains yours.

chibwike: am really confused about this..buh i know God is a merciful God

Bro there is nothing confusing there. It is a matter of choice. The mercy of God reaches to everyone. There is no man on earth that does not receive warning about his sin or evil act. It can come through a sermon in a church, through a book or magazine, through a message playing in your neighbours house or on the street on in the public transport you entered. Some warnings can just come through what is written on the body of the car in front of you while some can come directly in our hearts. if we choose to make good use of this warning thats good but when one rejects or keeps rejecting, when death comes, any choice he meets the person with then thats it.

Two thieves were at the cross with Jesus, face to face with death, one repented while the other chose not to. Even when this one that repented tried to caution him(which is also an avenue of God's warning) yet he refused to listen. CHOICE.

onetrack: So let me try to understand with an example:

A man rap.es and kills a pros.titute. She did not have time to repent and she died a sinner. She goes to hell.

People go to hell because they did not make good use of whatever time they spent on earth to repent. Not because of who killed them and when they were killed. If she made good use of her time she wouldnt have died as a prostitute. If she had repented before that action she wouldnt have died a prostitute.

onetrack: So let me try to understand with an example:
The man is never caught by police and he lives the rest of his live normally. As death approaches, he begs for forgiveness from God in the name of Jesus. He then is pardoned and goes to heaven. Is that how it works? ?

You think its easy just like that? Its on very rare occasions that you see such. Same way some prostitutes will finish their business in the night, stumble on a preacher or a gospel magazine the next day and after hearing the word of God, repents not knowing that they are spending their last day on earth. Before the end of that day she dies(either by accident, bomb, whatever) and she escapes hell. Death can come through any means and at any time thats why we should always ask God to make us fit for his kingdom at all times.

onetrack: So let me try to understand with an example:
He is neither punished on this earth or in the afterlife, while the woman he rap.ed and murdered is in hell. Is this god's justice?

Who told you the man is not punished? Infact most times it is even the severe punishment they are receiving in life for their evil deeds that draws them to the repentance when they see it has gotten to a stage where the hope of life beyond the next minute is out of sight for them.

qstar: I don't get the bolded... You mean, we own our "choices"? What of the almighty god and his bro- Lucifer?

Are you created a robot? No. You make choices or dont you? For your eternal destiny you have two options- To be with the almighty God in heaven or to be tormented with satan in the lake of fire. Choose God for your own good.

Liveair: Its in your bible.

Everything about the mission of Christ was summarised in John 3:16.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only beggoten son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE".

Jesus did not come to force you to believe in him hence the term "whosoever". Its your choice that determines.

sample042: Not at all BROTHER!
Am dis type dat hates pretenders and I know it's a deep menace in d body of Christ Today.

Yes, i dnt knw U bt u sound like our 9ja pastors dat do not practice what dey preach.

Coming to d aspect of evangelism... Doz whites men dat was slained in d dark age at d expense of bringn d gospel 2 U, they are d only ones dt are been led by d spirit. Our 9ja clergies and Imams are only led to kul cities and towns where dey milk d naive and vulnerable ones. smh...

U'r tryn to mk me understand dt u aint afraid 2 die where as dia's no single proof to back such claim. Despite d thousands of ILLS within ur immediate environment u'v nt been able to tackle one. Yet u want me to believe dat u r ready to die and mk heaven.

Pls, set a pace for odas to follow...biko!

Again like I said, whatever conclusion that pleases you pls carry on.

I just want to make one correction- I AM NOT A PASTOR.

sample042: Bro, i cant judge U cos u may be ryt in ur own way but u dnt hv 2 generalise by sayn dt MOST xtains are not afraid 2 die.

I know lots n lots of xtains(pastors n followers, imams n...) dt can gv anytn in exchange 4 dia life if possible.
Nevertheless, scripture says... Preach d gospel 2 all creatures. was dis restricted to d URBAN areas alone I guess NO! Moreover, u'r tryn 2 misunderstand my thread else u r suppose 2 know dat virtually all xtains in NIGERIA are afraid to die. If u can leave ur life 2 what u preach in Nigeria, am sure u r nt suppose 2 live till date(let's call a spade a spade).

Why don't U preach d gospel in places like NORTH East 9ja, MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES, LIBYA, CHINA, AMAZON, RUSSIA and oda parts of d earth where xtainity is seen as abomination since u aint afraid 2 DIE. Do dis and await ur blessings in heaven. Am sure dt d crown d bible promised us will surely be multiplied for U.

If u truly say u r ready to die anytym, dt means u r a 9ja GENIUS without nothn 2 show as a legacy/proof.

We xtains, we like pretending a lot. I don't know Y...

It seems you read my post with a biased mind. Did you see where I said God's time is the best?

I don't need to tell you long stories.

May be you are the type that thinks that evangelism is just picking your bible and jumping into any village or area to preach. Its not it bro. You must go along with Christ and WHEREVER HE LEADS YOU GO. You don't just jump into the field anyhow and start evangelizing. I know that's what most churches preach but its wrong. Check the apostles, they were led.

Like I said, I don't need to tell you stories about myself. Whatever conclusion that pleases you about me pls carry on with it.

Liveair: In that case has Jesus' supposed mission on earth been a success?

I didn't want to respond to this thread because of the sarcasm going on here which I consider useless for me to respond to.

However, this statement of yours caught my interest. And I ask- pls what's the mission of Jesus on earth?

Ramon92: thanks bro..may what you serve continue to bless you...

Thanks. I serve the almighty God.

James 4;17- Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

sample042: Greetings to my dear intellects.

It's very obvious that all religion have a promising safe place known as HEAVEN. This has been a great regulator/guide to human behaviour especially to those of us ''the believers'' bt am so worried that pastors, imams, zoroist, budhist even myself, do not wish to DIE to hasten up my eternal enjoyment in Heaven.

I believe if we can remove d fear of death and face injustice, moral decadence n all vices mitigating against humanity the earth will in no long tym become a paradise bt why are we afraid to die when we already know that a paradise is waiting for us

NOTE: Am a real xtain who is just eager to learn new things, perhaps i know that some may cosider this as an atheist thread bt believe me its far from ur thought. Jst ask yourself... Y am I afraid to die when Heaven is waiting for Me.

For me, i think it should be ideal we die when we are righteous to avoid temptations that could possibly lead one to the fiery hell!
You don't talk about death in mosque or church cos it's like a taboo/sacrilege where as we preach Heaven.

Why NOBODY wan DIE buh everybody wan go HEAVEN

Am waiting anxiously!

Bro I am not afraid to die. What i'm more concerned about is to be fit for heaven when i leave this world. This is also the heart desire of most christians. I want to go to heaven even this night if my time is up. But when one's time is not up then you keep doing what God sent you to do on earth. You are not the owner of your life so you cant kill yourself. If you do, you are a child of hell fire.

God"s time is the best.

@Uyi,

Experience remains the best teacher. What you experienced can only be best understood by you so asking atheists to advice you is not necessary. Each of us came into this life on different days, from different angles and we are going back differently. Whatever you choose to believe thats left for you.

What if God used the dream of your mum to speak to you knowing that she is the one that can best communicate with you in a way you will understand?

You cant tell the mysteries behind your birth more than your mum. You dont even know her dialogue with God concerning the kind of child she wants before you were born. You dont know whether she made a covenant with God before you were born. What if God is trying to honour the agreement by sending you the warnings in dreams and events surrounding it? I believe your mum has done her best in putting you on this track, the rest is left for you. God help you my brother.

dhammyg: THERE ARE MANY MALE ATHEISTS OUT THERE. I CAN'T MARRY SOMEONE WHO DOSEN'T UNDERSTAND ME

ok. Hope say you no go change this your stand when you see say the atheists no dey come and time dey go.

dhammyg: NA COURT MARRIAGE

So if a christian comes to you then you won't marry him, right?

Ramon92: is that supposed to be an excuse?? Christ surely won't be pleased with you.. Love is supposed to be shown more to an unbeliever like me.. So surprise me...

I'm already playing my part in my little corner by the grace of God. Christ did not say it is you in particular that I must do it to. Those other people are human beings in need too.

How many people have you ever shared the little one you had with? Its an all encompassing instruction not isalated to one set of people.

Your mockery gives you joy and satisfaction so continue with it.

Liveair: In that case can we also say the same for the entire bible?

sistar007: Yeah

No. Some of the historical events that took place in the bible are not hidden to us today. They were live events and not vision. Again The new testament gospels were not visions. Paul and the other apostles taught what Christ taught them in the new testament.

The point you are making about seeing God in a vision is a different case because the bible said that no ,man has seen God. So you may be right that the vision may not have given the exact and complete appearance of God but you cant use it to generalize other vision in the bible. There are visions that God showed that later came to pass as shown.

Saul in his conversion was shown a vision and it later happened as shown
Nebuchadnezzar vision came in a different way too, also that of Joseph.