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Gombs: It's soon gonna be a Catholic bashing thread... u just shot the first arrow!

Wait for Sal C, Chukwudi44, Ubenecdictus, fancistony... I hope you would be able to endure the soon to come insults and invectives?

And emm Catholics, Peter was not the first pope, if he were why don't popes and priests copy after him and get married? Anyways, I'm not here to drag who was or wasn't the pope or what was the first church or who compiled the Bible.... I'm here to monitor the progress of the said Grace Convention, why? Because it would be a real thread where folks would be appraised by me...what they post there would bbe compared to what they taught in other threads for consistency, and if they are not, I'd make wikileaks look like a child's play!

So, cn u please stop dragging with em Catholics? Nobody's gonna be edified by it, rather, u would get urself soiled, and ruin thus thread much further. Now, I'm not picking on you, I am writing you because u seem reasonable!

Its not even about bashing catholics. Its about stating and sticking to the words of Jesus and his definition of true worshipers. The words of Jesus is more important to us than any useless satanic fairy tales by Roman Catholic or and denomination whatsoever. I'm already done with the issue long ago. Jesus did not define true worshipers with any denomination. Infact the woman he was talking to in that scripture was placing importance on place of worship and Jesus corrected her by telling her that now it is about worshiping God in Spirit and in truth and not about place of worship. So no need of her going to Jerusalem to worship. Anybody who is telling me about the RCC useless tales of satan is wasting time. I rest my submissions here. Thanks bro.

italo: The fairytale is to claim that you were in Galilee and Jerusalem when Jesus spoke.

That is not even a fairytale. That is a manifestation of your mental problem.

You heard about Jesus from the Catholic Church.

So did the whole world.

The fairy tale still continues and remains as useless as satan himself.

italo: What you call the words of Jesus are the words that the Catholic Church told you Jesus said.

You never met Jesus.

Same RCC useless fairy tales.

italo: How can you worship in truth and spirit when you dont even know the truth?

The Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, not your millions of doctrines that contradict one another.

The Catholic Church is not a place.

Again, you fail.

italo: The Church that Jesus established in 33AD is the Catholic Church, not your millions of shops that teach contradictory doctrines.

italo: How can you worship in truth and spirit when you dont even know the truth?
The Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, not your millions of doctrines that contradict one another.
The Catholic Church is not a place.
Again, you fail.

italo: So satan used the Catholic Church to compile the Bible?
Why do you believe Satan's book then?
Besides, the apostles were Catholics.

italo: Jesus never mentioned bible.
The Catholic Church created it.
Was it through the Holy Spirit or through the evil one?
It's for you to choose.

The words of Jesus are more important to us than all these your Roman Catholic fairy tales. As far as we are concerned your RCC fairy tales are as useless as satan himself so you can continue to wallow in your deceit.

italo: Which scriptures?

The one complied by the Catholic Church in 382 under Pope Damasus?

Or are you among the iddiots that believe the bible fell from the sky?

Call me whatever you like. But the truth remains that those prophets and apostles that wrote the scriptures were not Roman catholics. Get that into your head first and stop confusing yourself. Secondly, you may have your record of those who compiled the scriptures and I have mine. The most important thing is not those who compiled the scripture rather it is what is written in the scripture that is the most important thing. Stop misplacing your priority in these things pls. It is the deceit of satan on you.

@Italo,

John 4:23

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.

In the above scripture, Jesus NEVER said that the true worshipers are those that worship in any denomination or any church building with a corporate name, rather the true worshipers are those that worship him in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.

Jesus never showed any importance to place of worship in this statement. He NEVER used place of worship to define true worshipers. Why have you people allowed the enemy to deceive you by placing place of worship so important in your heart? Reject this deceit of satan pls.

italo: I see...so since God didnt name you, your father hijacked you from God when he named you abi?

Empty head.

Empty head. The church that Jesus established is not a building with a corporate name. It is all those who worship God in spirit and in truth that are the church. True followers of Jesus are the body of Christ that make up the church. It is this glorious church without spot or wrinkle that Jesus is coming for.

He is not coming for any denomination(RCC, Deeper life, RCCG, Apostolic Faith etc) or a building with a corporate name. Stop being deceived by satan bro.

italo: "I don't want to" is not equal to "I will never"

Secondly, you have no proof that I deem him a non-entity. You only assume.

You need to sharpen your thinking skills.

Good luck.

My brother you can imagine this broad day light robbery. He wants us to consider his RCC fairy tale more authentic than what is written in the scriptures. NEVER.

italo: I see...

Jesus didn't mention "catholic" or "pope" yet you carry around the bible compiled by the Catholic church under Pope Damasus in 382.



I dont want to argue with non-entities, please.

Stop behaving like a thief and a hijacker. Jesus established his church in the scripture without giving it a name and you people hijacked it that its your Roman Catholic Church. LIARS. You people hijacked Peter whom the bible only refered to as an apostle and said he was your first pope. LIARS. You hijacked the scripture and said you compiled it. Why didn't you slot in Roman catholic church, pope and trinity in the scripture if it was from you people? Hijackers and thieves have no place in the kingdom of God. BE WARNED.

Matthew 12:14,15

14 Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him.

15 But when Jesus knew it, He withdrew from there. And great multitudes[c] followed Him, and He healed them all.

From the above scripture you can see that when the pharisees wanted to kill Jesus before God's appointed time he withdrew himself. He didn't yield because he hasn't fulfilled God's set mission for him on earth so it wasn't yet God's time for him to die. Yet when God's appointed time came later he yielded himself to them and even when peter was trying to put up a defence for him he stopped him from doing so.

I am not afraid of death by the grace of God and I believe that's the case with some christians. Yet I will not yield to death when its not yet God's time as Christ my master did not yield. I don't care at whatever age I die provided I am fit for heaven and it is God"s time.

If it is God's time for me to die today being 09/08/2014, may God make me fit for heaven and take me in JESUS name. AMEN and AMEN!

frosbel: Sorry all, work has become suddenly busy again and I have to do a few things with the kids this weekend. However I will try and complete part 4 at least on the deeperlife experience before weekend is over and perhaps start Part 5. Like I said this may take weeks to complete.

Ok hopefully before the end of today?

italo: If you were not a non-entity, you'd see from that letter of St. Ignatius that he was speaking about an institutionalized Catholic Church...with bishops and ptiests. In other writings, he talks about the pope.

You cannot provide proof of anything you say.

Carry your useless story comot here. There is nowhere in the scriptures that Jesus mentioned Roman Catholic as the church he established.

There is also no place in the scripture that Peter was called a pope. He was refered to as an Apostle, even in his own epistle.

1 Peter 1:1.

1 Peter, an APOSTLE of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Peter 1:1

1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and APOSTLE of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Stop the deceit.

shdemidemi: ^^ to some, if you ain't talking RCC and Mary, you are talking nonsense...

God's judgement isn't based on how loyal you are to your denomination o... BE AWARE!

Yeah you are right bro. God bless you.

Syncan: Why should I care what you say, when you are sure about nothing? We have scriptures yes, but your holy spirit is the one that changes...na you talk o, no be me...so why should we trust what you got from there, when it can change tomorrow? . Who knows, It might just tell the future generations of apostolic church to come to the catholic church.

Its obvious you are just making your usual noise which you use in diverting attention from the issue at hand and I don't have time for your tricks.

Since you cannot disprove what I said by showing me where Christ said in the scripture that the church he founded is called Roman Catholic Church then sorry I don't have time to waste with you.

Rich4god: Why then do you attack the RCC... And why do udeme called Jehovah Witness the anti-christ church...

You are still talking about the corporate names called church. I am talking about individuals who are true followers of Christ in every denomination making up the body of Christ. That's what make up the church. If you are a true follower of Christ you are part of the church and if I am a true follower of Christ I am part of the church. Likewise other brethren who are true followers of Christ( whether they are in RCC, JW, AF, Deeper life, RCCG etc).

Syncan: . You arent even sure of what you believe and practice, future apostolic church generations can even discover that you all headed to hell fire...na you talk o...with good intention though. . Yet you are here in your uncertainty, certain about the Catholic Church. Remind me once again, did you say some people agree to your opinions? hahahaha, hallucinated or under artificial influence? Lol . You even are not sure what i was referring to...haba! You are very funny alexleo, very funny.

Your usual ranting. I ve told you that the church that Christ founded is not your Roman Catholic church or any other denomination. We all have our scriptures to see that. Its not about your usual noise making.

Rich4god: So where is the church...?

Christ did not give any corporate name to the church in the scripture(e.g. Roman Catholic, AF, CAC, RCCG, winners, Deeper life). All born again are members of the body of christ and we all are the church.

Candour: The natural man always wants to dominate and control others that's why. Its in us all and if its not curbed, it will find expression. I've always said there's something about starting a new denomination that turns men into monsters and control freaks. Check all denominations particularly those where the pastor, his wife and children are called at the same time to see how humans try to control and dominate another using christianity and the bible as tools.

Its scary and sad.

Quite sad and you dare not raise objection to doctrines of the church that is not consistent with the scripture else you attract curses from the church leadership. Nigerian congregations are not even helping matters.

Syncan: I agree that Jesus Came to Build one church, he said it in Matt 16:18, On Pentecost, this church was formed. The kingdom of heaven was not to overcome it...therefore it must have remained till today. It was to have leaders as seen in Acts 15:6, united under a leader as he wished when he told one alone "...Feed my sheep" Jn 21:17. We do not need now a sovereign religious conference, lets go back in time to seek this church, it must still exist, it must be transferring authority in apostolic succession, except we doubt the words of Christ, and fool ourselves that the church he founded is no more.

The church that Jesus founded is NOT your Roman Catholic Church (if that's what you are referring to anyway). And its not any other denomination.

Gombs: To you it's an opinion... CHOICE

To some people it could be an opinion and that's choice too. To me its his personal experience which he is free to share irrespective of our various views about it and that's choice too.

Some find it beneficial while some don't and that's choice too.

You can counter whatever you think he said that is wrong and if its convincing enough people can be redirected too

Gombs: I'm super bored with the fairytale already. Say me hi to em kids

To him its a personal experience, to some others its interesting and to you its a fairytale. CHOICE.

SalC: It was a plea not an order and I find it necessary because you are already sounding pained.

I wasn't sounding pained rather syncans post was already getting boring to me so no point commenting too much on it again. As for Gombs he made his points and I made mine and we ended it there. He ended by making an observation which I accepted because he was right( apply paragraph for easy reading) Except if he feels he was using that to attack me I didn't see any attack in his case. Generally I don't worry much about another person's counter post to mine in a thread. If its the OP of the thread then its a different case.

SalC: ....And I made mine

But its not neccessary since yours tends to stop them from excercising their right.

SalC: You and Gombs should pity Alexleo na, hia

Was Gombs attacking me? I don't see it that way except you are seeing it that way. Moreover the word "pity" has no place here pls. We all have the right to make our points.

Syncan: hahahaha what manner of man is this . You claimed people appreciated your post, while mine was "nonsensical", then i decided to check the truthfulness of your claim, then i found out seven people appreciated mine enough to like it, and none liked yours . Now you want to make me ask the name for such a claim.

May be those seven people and even more are still planning to come and like the rest of your posts. So when they come you can still go on and clap. Be looking out for them and let me know when the deed is done. Congratulations.

Gombs: Please try and employ paragraphs in your posts.....it makes reading easier

Thanks for your opinion though!

Ok sir.

Gombs: Bros, form the bold, whatsoever happened to Jesus, the same yesterday, today and forever? Do your Holy Spirit change?

All Hagin, Kenyon etc taught in ages past were consistent with the scriptures, today... and will be, ALWAYS.

And as for the enlarged... Peter was saying in his 2nd letter chapter 1 verse 21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

How did you arrive at "Yet we are doing it to the best of OUR KNOWLEDGE now. "

Bro there are some teachings of Hagin that are also not consistent with the scripture. Before his death he wrote a book(can't remember the name) to correct some of the errors. There is nothing wrong about someone receiving more light in scriptural application except you want to be hypocritical about it. That your pastor gave a scriptural interpretation hundred years ago and remain on it doesn't mean that he is right. Did you see the Bereans going back to the scripture to search if what Paul taught them was in alliance with the scripture? But the christianity of our time is the one that whatever pastor, G.O. Pope etc says you swallow it without raising objection over the annointed man of God's teaching. But again some people are begining to realise that it shouldn't be so. Your pastor remains a human, you don't even know when his preaching/teaching is propelled by the Holy Spirit and when it is propelled by his personal interest, ego, whims and caprices, greed, level of exposure etc. Hence the need to make your research too. I believe that scriptural issues shouldn't be a one man decision thing. Its something that brethren should reason together.

Syncan: Haba na . I wasn't the one that gave it the name "Hypocrisy" which it truly is, more so, going by the only evidence before us, I got 7 likes and still counting on that post of mine, you got none on yours, what then informs this bogus claim of yours? Now that I've told you, you can go get your Yard church people to like your post

Ohhh you are even checking how many likes you get? I didn't notice you have 7 likes. I was even talikng about a post in response to what I wrote and any other person who may not see it the way you see it. Oya clap for yourself.

Syncan: hahahahaha. Yes you have a right to make an imput no doubt, just as I have the right to take you up on it. Surely you don't make blind arguments and worthless defense, you only make hypocritical ones. Its a fact that the Catholic church is the most attacked on NL, many can attest to it even if your hypocrisy wont allow you. So if i take you up on any aspect of your post, it is on its merit alone, and not on any bloated importance you attach to your opinion, who cares about that. Protecting frosbel's thread does not mean you shouldn't respond, but your responses has evoked my reaction because of its hypocritical content, which wanted to sour the story for me. I am waiting for you to wriggle yourself out of the drug ish on your church. We know who is wailing.

To some persons, its an honest presentation that I made and to you its hypocritical just as yours is nonsensical and worthless to me.

frosbel: Part 3

( I have added a few bits to Part 2 this evening , so you may want to read the last 3 paragraphs ).

2 events happened that rocked my faith and led to my leaving the church within less than a year. You see when they talked about the evils of medicine at church and the need for faith to heal , as a young gullible fool that I was, I bought into this doctrine hook line and sinker. I remember my sister ( the one I was close to ) tell me time and time again that the snake logo for medicine was occultic and of the devil. This scared me no joke.

Example :

https://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/048/412/i02/medical-caduceus-02.jpg?1324346992

The first event happened in the library when I was preparing for my exams. I will admit that I swore at God for some problem I was going through at the time and for which there did not seem to be an immediate remedy. As I slept in the library after a few minutes of study , it suddenly felt like I was descending downwards through a black tunnel and being dragged forcefully by unseen hands. I desperately fought like a mad dog but was unable to overcome whatever this strange phenomenon was. Then I remembered to shout the name of Jesus and a few cries later I woke up with a jolt , sweating profusely and wondering why no one in the library heard my screams. I thanked God all the same but was severely shaken by that event.

The second event

I started the day as usual cleaning my room and helping with the house chores and forgot about the event. A few hours later I started to feel the early signs of malaria and as the hours progressed and became days I fell seriously ill. I called for the elders of the Apostolic Faith church to pray for me and they encouraged me in my faith not to take any medicine. Despite all their prayers and mine of course my sickness became worse till I stopped eating and was beginning to vomit green bile. This was almost a week after the illness started and still the church elders never once advised me to go to see a doctor or chemist.

My uncle heard about my situation and stubbornness in rejecting medicine and came to see me in a hurry ( my Dad was still in Lagos at this time ). By this time I was 80% dead, as thin as a skeleton and almost going into hallucination mode. After my uncle's pleas I agreed to go to hospital , he brought me some food which I ate and vomited almost immediately. When I got the the hospital my condition was so critical that they rushed me to the emergency section for immediate treatment. The doctor was shocked at what he saw and told my relatives that I would have had only a short time to live if they had not brought me that same day. I was given multiple injections and drip and wheeled into the ward were I was admitted for a week. My relatives who came to see me were distraught at my state and were even more worried because I could not talk but stare into space in a gaze like fashion.

When my Dad returned from his business trip and heard what happened, he went into a fit, tantrum, mad rant and was so angry he arranged to have the pastors arrested and swore to disown me forever ( of course he did not mean it ). In the hospital I could barely bring myself to read any apostolic faith magazines as it seemed that this was the poison that almost caused my death. After a week of release , I felt faintly better and was discharged back home to the joy of my beloved dad. I vowed never again to go back to Apostolic Faith and kept to my word. When I made this decision something strange happened, I saw a small fireball fall from the sky , it jolted me a little but that was about it.

Now was time to go back to campus as the holidays were over , I bade my dad good bye , collected my provisions and money and headed back to Lagos. From Lagos I went back to campus. This was the semester when I went from frying pan to fire, i.e from Apostolic Faith to Deeper Life.

Part 4 should be ready by 11pm tonight. If anything changes as per delay I will let you know.

Thanks.

On this issue of medication, the church based its stand on James 5:14. Of a truth, many have experienced healing of various sicknesses through prayers without medication(including myself and family members) over the years. Many have had similar sicknesses and even worse ones than yours and they got healed through this means. Also there are some who had similar cases as yours and even less cases than yours and they went to hospital and still died after several efforts to restore them. So its not as if there is any of the medium that has recorded zero death in its history. However a few years ago some of us started seeing other places in the bible that shows that God can heal us through any means contrary to the one rigid means we were made to follow. Some of the present crop of leaders also have a liberal approach now to this issue so it is no more an offence for a member to take medications. However some oldies are seeing it as end time things (lol ) and they ve refused to join us. My parents have been in this church for almost sixty years now without taking medidcation and God has been healing them in time of sickness. They are old now yet stronger than some youngies and look younger than their ages. Iin 2012 my dad was terribly sick that we thought all hope was lost, there was nothing we didn't do to convince him to take medication but he refused and the church kept praying for him and he was totally healed. Today if you see him walking briskly and travelling here and there you won't believe this was the same man that was near death 2 years ago. There are a lot of them like that too in the church.
In recent years when some of us began travelling overseas we now discovered that the headquarter church in the U.S. never said people shouldn't take medication rather the baba(Oshokoya) that brought the church to naija in the 1930s had to place that ban because what was in vogue in those days was babalawo. This was my own findings and some others too. Well like I said, no church is perfect, no individual is perfect, we keep perfecting as we study the scripture more and more with the help of the Holy Spirit. For me I know these old leaders did whatever they did to the best of their understanding of the scripture at their time and I don't blame them. There are things we are doing now that the generations following us will see in their time and consider it foolish or inappropriate. Yet we are doing it to the best of our knowledge now. There are some of your new discoveries/ideologies now that you ll look back in some years to come and pick a lot of holes in them. Such is life. The room for improvement is the largest room in the world. It cannot be fully saturated. Thanks frosbel.

Syncan: Hahaha, typical clutching on straw instead of facing fact. Now you maintain an opinion/belief in the face strong contradiction, yet you flay another for having his own. Again check out the name for that in one of the posts with the biggest fonts earlier on in this thread.

Am not arguing with you, just making sure Frosbel's thread remains his own, unsullied by pontificating from a shaky foundation, till he finishes his story. I find much entertainment in it.

I'm not arguing with you too. Yet I have the right to make an input where I find neccessary since my church is among the ones he mentioned. As you can see I'm not making blind argument and worthless defence as you people do whenever your Roman Catholic church is being criticized. By now you people would ve rained countless abuses on the OP but you can see the difference is clear here. I made it plain from the begining that what I'm giving is an update (because its been long he left the church)but because I ve always had issues with some practices in your RCC that's why you are picking on my post, and even doing it wrongly too. You said you are protecting frosbel's thread whereas frosbel made it clear at the begining that he reserved the front page for his story while we can now respond in the other pages yet people like you will turn a blind eye to such info. Again he has finished his story on my church and moved to the next church before I responded. Now the question is- why are you crying more than the bereaved? I'm yet to understand why a stranger is weeping and wailing more than the bereaved. Continue with your wailing if it gives you peace.

Syncan: Hahaha, it seems this thread was opened for comedy. Now I do not comprehend "very well", what is plain to all eyes here. Stop inviting others to come to your aid, Unlike you, I believe there is a perfect Church, for the Church is the mystical body of Christ, this must be perfect. .

You quoted that I supported someone's reply to frosbel and used it to codemn my post. When I now explained to you and mentioned names you said I'm looking for people who will support me. I don't even understand how you people see this forum. A money making forum or what? If people support me how much will it drop in my bank account? Na wa for una.
I still maintain that no church- Roman Catholic, Apostolic Faith, Deeper Life, RCCG, Winners etc, is perfect. I don't need to argue this with you. That's what I said so na u sabi wetin you understand about my statement. I don't need to argue this with you.