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craziebone: all parts especially when you said you would knowingly sin BECOS you know that you can get your sin wiped off when you go to a priest.

I think you made up all these stories so as to show (in your opinion) how ridiculous it is to think your sins are forgiven just by going to the priest.

It was a poor job done by you coming up with this story just to pass your message

ok

TheBigUrban2: I have to agree with the catholic here.


When you confess, there is something called penance- you have to actually atone for your sins before forgiveness.

For instance, if you confess that you fought with someone, a priest would tell you to make amends with the person you fought with (and also your act of contrition and some hail marys)

Except you are free to fight that person another time knowing that another confession and penance would absolve you.

craziebone: hahahaha!!! Cooked up LIES!!!

which part?

TheBigUrban2: Are you not the one who questioned me away from the point of the thread into that position?

You mad?

Because I'm trying to understand you!
But I'm not even sure you even understand yourself. You just keep attacking people even while agreeing with them just because they are xtians.

TheBigUrban2: Anonyinizing my arguments again.


It is not exactly a case of human rights per se.


It is more about having the right to take a life. Only the woman has the right over her embryo/foetus.

The bolded. How does it apply to IVF, which is the topic of this thread?

TheBigUrban2: When you kill a pregnant woman. double homicide/murder

If the woman chooses an abortion. Not murder

If the woman chooses to participate in artificial pregnancy. Not murder


Is it clear to you what I am saying now?

Right. I think I get you.
The embryo gets human rights when it is inside a woman and the woman wants to keep it. Under any other circumstances, it cannot be considered human. Yes?

striktlymi: The Church teaches that forgiveness doesn't come automatic and it doesn't begin and end with the priest. The priest can absolve one of his sins without the individual getting forgiveness from God.

Forgiveness begins with the penitent who MUST demonstrate true sorrow for the wrong done and have a firm commitment never to go back to a life of sin. Without those two conditions there is no forgiveness. The priest only completes what the penitent has begun.

By extension, the penitent has already received pardon from our Father in Heaven before he or she gets to the priest, though a confession to a priest is necessary in some cases but not in all. You don't get forgiveness if you have the intention to commit sin.

That is not wjat we were taught.
During cathecism, to encourage us to go for confession, the priests used to quote John 20:23. They insist that god through this passage gave them the authority to forgive sins. That one cannot be forgiven unless one confesses to them. I have never heard a catholic priest say that you are forgiven before confessing or that their forgiveness is not total and valid.

TheBigUrban2: Is it always murder? No


Stricklymi says it is always murder.



I have told you to stop anonynizing my arguments.......too late!! Anony has seen your sophistry and he praises you (comment above)

When, in your opinion, is killing an embryo murder?

TheBigUrban2: Yes

headless chicken.

You just agreed with sricktly that killing embryos could be murder.

TheBigUrban2: A potential human.

just like embryos: potential humans.

Tallesty1: You know or You think??

I know because he always said it.

TheBigUrban2: No one knows when life truly begins. Stop trying to Anonynize my arguments.

If someone claims that life begins at conception, the person is a liar. No one knows.


If a woman is 1 month pregnant sef, it is murder if a man kills the baby by injuring the woman. The woman didnt ask for an abortion.

So according to you, one can be convicted of murdering a non-human.

TheBigUrban2: Sharaap

Butthurt?

Tallesty1: Why then do you sin again?

Because I knew he would would forgive me again next time.

TheBigUrban2: Butthurt Satanist is butthurt!!!!!

Projection.

But Satanists are the smartest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWMWgRkK_4

Tallesty1: A misinformed Catholic, your sins don't get wiped out after confession, you only get total forgiveness when you stop sinning. I doubt if you do pay attention to the the priest and what he says after your confession.

He says, "I forgive you. go and pray the rosary ten times and sin no more."

voltron: The Pentecostal God has one up over the Catholic Church.. it is called GRACE.. the freedom to do as you please because God is not watching

Really? Never heard of that one.

TheBigUrban2: I didnt mean to butthurt you.


Anyhoo, why should I waste my time appealing to a christian nutjob's argument? I understand it but I do not waste time with it!!!



No one knows when an embryo/feotus becomes a human per se.....


But we do know that outside of the womb is a good time to make a demarcation as the baby is not totally dependent on the mother.

When I said you were a fool, it was not out of butthurt but merely a statement of fact.
You have just proved it with your statement. The only thing you have been doing since you joined NL was spending your time appealing to christian nutjobs' arguments.

You have no idea when a human is formed but somebody else has his opinion and you call it nuts.
If your wife is 8 and half months pregnant and I hit her tummy with the intention of killing your unborn baby and killing it, should I be tried for murder (life sentence) or for assault (a few months or fine)?

When I was a young catholic, I used to sin without consequence.
I was having sex every time knowing fully well it was a sin but not bothered because I knew I only had to go and tell the priest about it and my slate is wiped clean.
My girlfriend used to ask me if I had gone to confession and it was very reassuring for her to hear that our previous act has been absolved before we start again. Infact the only worry we had then is dying before our next confession and having to spend a few centuries in purgatory. Hell was not for us.
I am now beginning to wonder what type of all knowing god will keep forging a sin over and over again knowing fully well that you intend to keep sinning? It can only be a mugu god. If god was a bank manager, his bank would be broke because you just have to go back every week and take more loan with a promise that you will pay back but never do.
The catholic god is a god that encourages sin through confessions and the ease of forgiveness and the promise of purgatory.
So my people, if you must remain a xtian, be a catholic. You will enjoy this life better.

TheBigUrban2: Embryos are not people. And so, your nonsense analogy about old people is a failure.

You are a fool.

I was trying to explain to you how xtians think. Xtians think that embryos are people.
Go back and read the whole thread so you can understand other people's argument. Understanding others doesn't mean you agree with them.

Anyway, according to you, who is people? foetus? zygote? 6 months in the womb? After birth? Please enlighten us?

If Islam is tolerant, why is McLatunji your mod?

Yeah. Sounds suspicious.

How would they know if one is circumcised or not? Will they start asking women to strip down now? This news sounds like a provocation propaganda.

TheBigUrban2: LMAO!!! the Satanist is talking about shaming atheists!!! Irony.


What you people fail to understand is that Striklymi is talking nonsense as usual....he doesnt know that it is very natural for embryos to die during pregnancy. 15%-20% of known pregnancies end up in miscarriage....percentage is higher if we consider unknown pregnancies.


For someone to be concerned about the death of embryos with the artificial pregnancy, it requires a high level of ignorance.

You are the one talking nonsense. Striktlymi knows very well that embryos die during pregnancy. He considers those natural death and as a xtian, have no problem with natural deaths; which he considers inevitable and as act of god. Other deaths, provoked by man, is murder for him and thus very sinful. This includes death of embryos during IVF.

You are the one exhibiting high level of ignorance here. Should we start killing off old people because old people die naturally anyway? If not, why kill embryos because embryos die naturally anyway? That's what xtians are worried about.

Apatheist: What if you're Gay AND atheist?

Great

i didn't see any Jeep.

ikevin: I feel disappointed at myself for arguing intelligently with you. It would be hard for you to be cured of your current psychological state. On to better things......

see this one calling himself intelligent. did your great grand father know jesus? do you even know your great grand father? yet here you are fighting your own brother over a dead jew.

ikevin: there I was chastising a guy for insulting Muhammed though am a christian, here you are spewing rubbish with your free mb. Must you insult other's religion, can you say this in front of BBC or channels? I apologise to all christian who might be feel offended by this comment. He might be a 16 year old self. Peace in Nigeria

it can only be xtians that would be offended by truthful comments.

2000 years of wait and the drunkard is still to show up. mtcheeew.

EliteYouth: I never knew there were still hopeless people on earth until I saw you post smh...............Omerta with such mindset you are finished......completely finished

Do you know that nobody cares what you think?

Christoskurion: May the Prince of Peace make haste and save our nation Nigeria.

Lazy prince is still drunk on his alcoholic water. Wait for him.

0merta: God is dead!...



He died a very long time ago.

blast femi