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Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:42pm On Jan 15, 2012
Nchara:
Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

So much hate.
Yes there is HATE FOR YOU AND UR LIKES. you igbos on NL tribalise everything like goats

even ur leaders act childish and silly like you all. what a shame.

Infact I should not even be dragged into this rubbish with u. I am done here angry
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:38pm On Jan 15, 2012
donigspain:
@Alj harem,  I don't allow myself to be drawn into vulgar virtual wars plz. Sorry to disappoint you. BTW, I now see you have got lots of time on your hand. No wonder you have a catalog of anti-Igbo literatures where u simply rush in to copy and paste for us here in NL. My humble advice: Get a life!, No offense meant pleaseeeee.
what anti-igbo ? ani't you anti-Nigerian ?

what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander .

ideeiot nyamaria animal.
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:34pm On Jan 15, 2012
merengue:
You tribalistic buffoons on Nairaland are so unintelligent, it makes me laugh. OBJ was president for 8 years, his people voted for him massively, what did they get: a big fat nothing. Same goes for the people of Katsina (Buhari, Yar'adua), Kano (Abacha), Niger (IBB, Abubakar) and the same will happen with GEJ. None of these people even transformed their villages, they were too busy stealing for themselves and their families.[size=13pt] I hope and pray an Igbo person becomes president in 2015 so we can all finally see that tribe is irrelevant,[/size] all Nigerian politicians are bastard children of the same accursed parents. Asari rides state of the art SUVs, has he ever built a borehole for his people? Forget all these people, everybody is fighting for himself. We have all had governors who stole and did nothing, so if they become presidents tomorrow, should we defend them senselessly or look at issues objectively? With all the money that Obj stole, the road to his schoosl is still so horrible, go to Yar'adua's village, you wont believe it ever produced a president. IBB spends all his time in Minna, have no idea where he comes from but I am sure its an eyesore. GEJ was deputy governor, governor, vice-president and now president, has Otueke become Dubai? Lets dump these issues of tribalism and ethnicity, it only favours the politicians and their cronies, it does nothing for us.
Yes of course we the people know.
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:28pm On Jan 15, 2012
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Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:24pm On Jan 15, 2012
[size=14pt]Why Do Igbos Always Go Looking For Trouble?

Written by  Ozodi Osuji Ph.D Imo state[/size]

INFERIORITY FEELING

I am saying that Igbos go looking for trouble because of their sense of inferiority and paranoid level of compensatory superiority (according to Alfred Adler, all human beings feel inferior and compensate with some superiority feeling and quest for power over their world,  but the neurotic over does it).


DEATH WISH (OR FREUD’S THANATOS)

It is as if these people have a death wish and must attack other people so as to generate other people’s counter attacks on them, and when attacked they feel persecuted hence feel alive. The pathological ego feels alive when persecuted!

The paranoid person feels alive when he feels attacked and is defensive; if not feeling attacked and persecuted and defensive he does not feel like he is alive!

The paranoid person has not yet learned that a person can feel even more alive by loving himself and those around him. If you want to truly feel alive do what loves other people and what serves people’s interests.

The alternative to Christian agape love for all people is the paranoid attacks on people that generate counter attack for him and he gets attacked and in defending his self feels falsely alive.

For the longest time I could not quite understand this oddity in many Igbos behavior. Finally, I understood it. They engage in their apparent self-defeating behaviors because of mental disorder. They suffer mass delusion disorder (follies adieu, aka group paranoia).

The deluded person takes his private interpretation of reality as reality. He wants to seem superior and powerful, which he is not; he imagines that he is superior and powerful; believes what is not true as true hence is deluded.

The mentally ill person is not operating in the real world; he is living in his personal world, his fantasy world where he is all powerful and invincible.

The sadist part of it all is that even if you understand the dynamics of what is going on in the deluded person’s head and tell him about it he does not get it and continues doing what he does that gives him certain results and continues to get the same results while expecting different results.

Igbos insult other people, make them angry; they get attacked and or killed. They do not want to be attacked and killed; that is, they want different results but they keep doing what generates the old results and get it. This is the definition of mental disorder: doing the same thing while expecting different results. An alcoholic keeps drinking but does not expect to damage his liver and health; poor soul; as long as he is addicted to his drug of choice he must be slowly damaging his liver, brains and killing himself even though he wishes to be healthy and live.

I know that these people are not going to change for part of mental disorder is not to see what is obvious to the normal person. The normal person, as if instinctively, recognizes that if you insult folks that they would be angry at you and that some of them would attack you, but these bizarre folks keep attacking others (by insulting them) and not expecting them to counter attack them in self-defense.

They do not know what they are doing and one is wasting one’s time trying to get them to recognize the obvious.

I suppose this is my mission: to keep stating the obvious until those who wear blinders finally remove their veil and see it; remove the mask over their eyes and see reality as it is. I will never give up on them after all they are my people, and attacks on them, even if self-brought, are attack on me (when folks begin attacking or killing Igbos they will attack or kill me, too). The sins of fathers are visited on their children’s heads. Therefore, I must keep trying to help them smell the coffee and roses.

A FINAL WORD ON OBI NWANKAMA’S PRETENSIONS

Obi Nwankanma, apparently, is writing history, make belief history of Igbos. He has been talking smack about Nri as core Igbos (obviously a self-serving claim). His idiotic talk is irritating me. One of these days I would unleash my fury at him. I generally allow annoying things to simmer for a while and when I become sufficiently angry I unleash a ferocious attack and will keep attacking and nothing would stop me.  By and by I will take Obi Nwakanma up and attack to destroy his pretensions.

These clowns write 419 histories that make their people the head of Igbos while ignoring the obvious, that the core of Alaigbo is Owerri.  When I have some time I will do rigorous research on Igbo history and then refute their make believe history (I just read Elizabeth Isichie‘s version of Igbo history; she is not pretentious and haughty; she honestly believed what she wrote; she is a scholar, not a propagandist pretending to be a scholar).

For now let me just say that it is irritating to one to see those who are not even fully Igbos to keep talking as if they are real Igbos and worse present themselves as the leaders of Igbos (they were influenced by surrounding non-Igbo folks; the real Igbos are in core Igbo land, in the Igbo heartland, Owerri/Orlu axis. (Owerri must eventually become the capital of one unified Alaigbo state in Nigeria or Alaigbo republic should Nigeria breakup).

The time allotted to foreigners, such as Onicha/Edo folk, rule over Igbos is over.

Most history books are written as songs of praises to the people they are written about hence are hardly objective. That been said, if one is writing a history of one’s entire people one ought to make an honest attempt to be fairly objective rather than write claptrap that sings the praises of one section of the people. Just imagine it: everyone knows that Owerri is the core Igbo but clowns from non-Owerri area pretend to write Igbo history and not give central place to Owerri.

Even the much maligned white colonial folk recognized that Owerri is core Igbo hence made Owerri dialect the central Igbo dialect in their books on Igbo language. But buffoons from non-Owerri area write as if their peripheral areas are central to Igbo history and in their idiocy expect Owerri folks to accept their nonsense.  Why, it is supposed to be Igbo history and every Igbo ought to accept it even if it is a bunch of lies.

When I am free to pay attention to history I will descend on these clowns like a ton of hot coal. Their contrived, 419 scam history of Igbos cannot be allowed to stand.
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:22pm On Jan 15, 2012
donigspain:
I believe we Igbos are playing mature through the ways we've been able to keep calm and watch the unfolding drama in this country. We no longer believe in using violence as a means of achieving our BIAFRA dreams but we will just sit, watch and wait until the TIME-BOMB explodes. We will simply gather together and declare BIAFRA whilst the other regions/tribes are busy fighting and killing themselves. It will come as a SURPRISE to y'all.
good then mess off a Nigerian website and Nigerian issues  ok !

fuucccking lowlife people. erosion fuccked people
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:17pm On Jan 15, 2012
asorocker:
Nigerian federation after the subsidy war will be upgraded to nigeria 4.0
nigeria 1.0  after the civil war                   igbos vs Nigeria
nigeria 2.0  after the slaughter coups of 1976  middle belt vs Hausa/fulani
nigeria 3.0  after june 12                         yorubas vs Hausa    
nigeria 4.0 after subsidy war                  SE/SS VS SW/NW/NE

the forces are still alligning , lets see where Middle belters will allign  and  how the events of 2015 will play out. I dont think there will be much slaughter because UN already has troups  waiting , my candid advice is , stop being superstitous and separate now , a stich in time saves nine.
the Mother of all protests might lead to the mother of all wars
Nyamaria boy, Middle belt protested from markudi, to lokoja to niger, to kwara, to plateau etc

So stop this ur propangada
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:15pm On Jan 15, 2012
That does it anymore comment from asorock and Nchara would make this thread very ugly angry

Bleep off and let intelligent people talk

Just One more Bu//shit and see what I would make Nairaland to be within 7 days angry

You think you are the only tribalist on NL abi. Oh how I miss BK, namfav and Fstranger
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:00pm On Jan 15, 2012
[size=15pt]I wonder why people are taking Nchara and other Igbo tribalist serious  undecided[/size]
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 11:00pm On Jan 15, 2012
Dr Igbo:
I am happy that you guys are realising that the Igbos meant well for you in 1966. It is a pity that you lost people like Saro Wiwa and co but the earlier you guys wake up the better for us all. The correct spelling of South South and South East regions is B I A F R A. May the soul of Ikemba Ojukwu rest in peace, Amen,
Nchara is Igbo not Ijaw

htza is also Igbo

the Ijaws on NL are Ibime, Ijaw-girl, killayut etc
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 10:55pm On Jan 15, 2012
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=846785.msg9972537#msg9972537 date=1326664413]So let me see if I have this right.

In a nutshell, unless you are from the Niger Delta, you are not permitted to protest against any policies by GEJ.

The ordinary rights one is supposed to have in a democracy are forfeit, since the oil in the ND belongs to the residents of the same.

Is this correct?

So let us accept this logic of Dukubo and co temporarily.

My question for you all, will you let someone squeeze your balls over cash?

Ben Franklin had something to say about situations like this. And his advice I think is quite apt.[/quote]+ 10
Politics › Re: We Will Defend Jonathan With Our Blood - Asari-dokubo by aljharem(m): 10:54pm On Jan 15, 2012
OAM4J:
Those who attempted to demonstrate were either threatened with "no work, no pay" or coerced by the law enforcement agencies to stay off the streets in their own interest. Despite such intimidation, some angry protesters still prang into major roads in Edo and Delta states to register their grievances.
Politics › Re: All Eastern Nigerians, In Honor Of Ojukwu Stay Off Nairaland On February 3rd by aljharem(m): 10:52pm On Jan 15, 2012
Onlytruth:
@dem_people

I'm thinking that since this thread is already up and going, I may modify it to include a suggestion regarding the number of days to stay off here. We still have time to deliberate on it before February 3.
What do you think?
Yes I agree with you Eze mo
Politics › Re: All Eastern Nigerians, In Honor Of Ojukwu Stay Off Nairaland On February 3rd by aljharem(m): 10:11pm On Jan 15, 2012
[quote author=dem_people link=topic=844974.msg9972198#msg9972198 date=1326661635]Obodo london dee oh. Infact, elizabeth my friend in Buckingham Palace say make I hail u and throw away some salutations to u as part of your desire to respect her friend the Ikemba. grin cool[/quote]Help my hail her as well. I wish we can be this united as Nigerians. Insha Allah Boko haram is going down. I have missed my Igbo brothers and sister in the north cry cry cry . We can live in peace once we respect each other. Although dem_people I have to warn you o, I have some scores to settle with Olodostain, chino11 and co

But I would respect you so I would not take my bite. cool

3 days off Niaraland starting from 3rd cool
Politics › Re: All Eastern Nigerians, In Honor Of Ojukwu Stay Off Nairaland On February 3rd by aljharem(m): 10:02pm On Jan 15, 2012
[quote author=dem_people link=topic=844974.msg9972110#msg9972110 date=1326660860]Alhaji if you want to cast away your chameleonic nature towards Ndigbo, maybe this is the time to do it.

Why not prove to Ndigbo that "you're with them" by joining us for a 7 day absence. . .  wink[/quote]I would try to. It would be also nice on my part to show some respect for the authority aka Onlytruth. cool

How is obodo london grin grin
Politics › Re: All Eastern Nigerians, In Honor Of Ojukwu Stay Off Nairaland On February 3rd by aljharem(m): 10:01pm On Jan 15, 2012
oduasolja:
you igbos make me laff.

dont u know that Ojukwu is hated and despised by many minorities in the eastern region.

lol lol lol

abi have u ever seen niger delta people or ogoni or efik carry biafra flags huh


do you know how many minorities ojukwu massacred.
dude shut up

the time of hate and ethnic prejudices has ended in Nigeria. Live and learn to respect them
Politics › Re: SE And SS Unity Is The Key To Fight The Sponsored Yoruba Protest In SW by aljharem(m): 9:48pm On Jan 15, 2012
chino11:
Is it not better you go back to Italo where they deported una from, b.i.t.c.h
u are not making sense. did you create the thread to incite hate for the yorubas or you created it to talk intelligently ?
Politics › Re: SE And SS Unity Is The Key To Fight The Sponsored Yoruba Protest In SW by aljharem(m): 9:29pm On Jan 15, 2012
chino11:
The question is why are those baboonic i.d.i.o.ts crying more than the bereaved?
because they are affected as well .
Politics › Re: All Eastern Nigerians, In Honor Of Ojukwu Stay Off Nairaland On February 3rd by aljharem(m): 9:24pm On Jan 15, 2012
[quote author=dem_people link=topic=844974.msg9971777#msg9971777 date=1326657970]^^

Eze Ndigbo Nairaland, daalu sur. But is only a day enough for a man of Ikemba's stature? Surely a 3 to 7day break/stay-off/boycott is most befitting.

My two cents.[/quote]daluu cool
Politics › Re: All Eastern Nigerians, In Honor Of Ojukwu Stay Off Nairaland On February 3rd by aljharem(m): 9:24pm On Jan 15, 2012
Onlytruth:
lol  grin

Nwanne m, what I find most laughable is that the people holding those same views will still wonder why we are killed easily without consequences; they still expect us to be able to unite and fight for our defense or freedom. Of course that is impossible without a common authority, without a common front!
What those folks fail to understand is that, since our circumstance is like that of the Jews (somehow), we should really copy a lot of things from them. For instance, even at the earliest times of their history (according to the Bible), they had judges. After that, they agitated for "a king that will go before us in war" - a physical leader.

It is my personal opinion that the greatest achievement of the Igbo nation in 1967-70 is the fact of coming under ONE leadership. It is powerful stuff, and our history changed for ever after that.  cool

What we must fight for, now that Ojukwu has died, is to find another leader who will surpass or equal him in VISION, TOUGHNESS and FOCUS, to lead us going forward.

We must find him!  cool
well said Nwannem, I would boycot NL on the 3rd

But Eze'm  NL why can't it be a 3-7 days boycott as Nwannem dem_people suggested

i ga agwa nwu'm gi dem_people ?
Politics › Re: SE And SS Unity Is The Key To Fight The Sponsored Yoruba Protest In SW by aljharem(m): 9:19pm On Jan 15, 2012
chino11:
Since when did 'Yoruba' entered Nigerian English lexicon? Or is it now conventional that 'Yoruba' is now synonymous with Yoruba nomenclature?
anyway forget that. I want to know why you support the subsidy without things in place.

ps. don't tell me about cabals etc because I also want subsidy to go as well but not now.

so I want to know the reason for ur support smiley
Politics › Re: SE And SS Unity Is The Key To Fight The Sponsored Yoruba Protest In SW by aljharem(m): 9:11pm On Jan 15, 2012
chino11:
^

Shattap if you don't know what to say.
when you said Yoruba baboons, i likened it to be an insult on the yorubas like you usually call them that is why I spoke. Moreover the last time I checked Delta calabar there were protest so why blame it on yorubas alone ?

hmmm cause and effect
Politics › Re: SE And SS Unity Is The Key To Fight The Sponsored Yoruba Protest In SW by aljharem(m): 9:08pm On Jan 15, 2012
chino11:
Even the silly saharareporters can twist the news just to favor their Yoruba baboons.
be SR owner is Ijaw or is he not ?
Politics › Re: Timaya On Subsidy by aljharem(op): 7:07pm On Jan 15, 2012
DONkollione:
Timaya has not been updated ! Abi en no watch D̶̲̥̅̊ debate ni? grin
clearly he has been updated and he knows what he is talking about
Politics › Re: Timaya On Subsidy by aljharem(op): 7:05pm On Jan 15, 2012
Valon4ego:
If we all agree that subsidy would have to be removed someday,them the million dollar question is when?next year?next two years? wHEN?
When things are in place to

1. absorb the shock of the removal

2. know what project the government is embarking on so we know were the money is going


Have you read the SURE program thing ? I think you people need to read and understand the content of that SURE program

More than half of the money meant for FG projects would be give to state governor. Now to do what ? build roads etc undecided cry you mean the money each state governor is going from the center before is not enough to build roads etc ?

I mean a state governor would tell us that 20 kilometer road is 2 billion naira to build

Haba
Politics › Re: Timaya On Subsidy by aljharem(op): 6:50pm On Jan 15, 2012
efisher:
@ Alj, I agree this is one of the hardest pills Nigerians have had to swallow. I guess it's because this is a different pill from the others. I am also happy that Nigerians have reacted this was (as expected). This is because, if it eventually pulls thro, GEJ will need to do a lot of work to justify the huge sacrifice. because of this move, our refineries will have no choice but to function properly. Our power situation and every other key challenge will also have to be dealt with squarely. Anything less will be suicidal for GEJ. He tends to do well under pressure.
You see, that is the problem. GEJ is one man and moreover if he does not do right, we cannot kill him. He would just be an ex-president in 2015 and we Nigerians would still be suffering from the decisions he made.

Rather than promise, vow etc, why not do the right thing so you don't have to go through all the stress.

Many Nigerian ( intelligent Nigerians) Know the good of the subsidy removal including me and I very much understand the implication if the subsidy is not removed. The problem still stands never the less.

[size=15pt]since 2010 GEJ was the president[/size]. He could have started a rail project to link the west, east and north all together thus the cost of transport "would be envisaged to go lower once it is completed" thus he can now come 2012 and remove subsidy explaining to Nigerians the reason for that. Majority of the people would understand.

[size=14pt]I remember during the election when he took the train from Lagos to Illorin telling us that the trains are back. Well are the trains still working or it is just during election periods the trains kick back to life ?[/size]

Those are just few reasons why all this promises would do no good.

Right now, I understand Nigerians stances on this issue which is the reason I stated above

I understand ND stance on the issue which is because GEJ is the first president from the region thus they are doing everything to protect HIS interest.

I understand the SE stance on the issue as well which is the same as Nigerians but a bit more to complicated and the average Nigerian stance
Politics › Re: Timaya On Subsidy by aljharem(op): 6:26pm On Jan 15, 2012
[quote author=9ja_I_hail link=topic=846645.msg9970686#msg9970686 date=1326648034]when will you update us about the arrested boko haram sponsor or does that not worth your propaganda? sorry i am just wondering why you careless about that pressing issue and covering it up with your hypocrites political subsidy protest. bruv be real for once abeg[/quote]one of the sponsors of boko haram has been caught and going through interrogation as we speak.

anyother question ?
Politics › Re: My Qusetion About "this Subsidy". by aljharem(m): 6:25pm On Jan 15, 2012
I would help you out with my own understanding

1. Nigeria sells crude oil for a very low amount of money to foreign refineries. these foreign refineries separate the OUR crude oil into different component and sell it back to us for a higher price which they use to make their own profit, ,.,.,.,.,.-------- First cause of protest

thus we can say we don't really make profit from the sales of crude oil unless we do not buy back the refined oil

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2. the money gotten for the sales of the crude oil (which we did not ask back) would be used to pay the senators, ministers, charimen, Governors etc and also for over priced bugets eg a 20 km road for 20 billion naira-----ridiculous


3. we pay for such high prices by NNPC because of the corrupt system. Also there are private reservoir owners that charge about 3-5 naira a liter since NNPC/ NIGERIA does not have a large enough reservoir to store our petrol

Also another fraud is that the private owners DON'T give NNPC the whole petrol back, they steal some and sell it in the black market.


4. Yes it is them and they sell it to Nigeria at ta higher price because of the number (1) reason and also some fraud. at the end of the day, they are business men looking to make their profit and it is not their fault that Nigeria cannot refine the crude oil she produces.

you can ask more questions, I would be willing to answer so people can know what is going on.
Politics › Re: Increase Petrol Price By 85 Kobo Every Week For 3 Years by aljharem(m): 6:11pm On Jan 15, 2012
Ibime:
Hey Debo, you beat me to it.

[size=15pt]This is the reason why GEJ sneaked the price in like a thief in the night cos if he announced April 1st deadline, the marketers woulda just hoarded petrol until April when they could make a killing.[/size]

The scenario we just painted shows why anything short of a vigorous fight against corruption will always fail, a situation which rendered GEJ's Government dead on arrival. So much for "continuity" as the OP was preaching during election time. There is no getting past the fact that any Government who is soft on corruption is a cancer to the Nigerian people.
Yes I noticed that as well and it was a good move. still has not addressed the issue for the protest though
Politics › Re: Timaya On Subsidy by aljharem(op): 6:07pm On Jan 15, 2012
efisher:
Alhaji, when will it be the right time? Today it is boko rams, tomorrow it may be hurricane babangida, tsunami obasanjo or some earthquake! There is never a time where there won't be challenges. The wise men say: The farmer who waits for perfect weather never plants.
I like those words but the farmer that plants in the dry season and harvent in the wet season only has himself to blame because he crops would not grow well.

Now efisher, I like to establish something which is Subsidy has to go because clearly it is not sustainable for the country to be subsiding petrol for neighbours as I understand.

You see, GEJ has not lead by example and as I speak I am now a gej supporter after the elections because as soon as he was sworn in; He became my president and as an ordinary Nigerian citizen I hold my allegiant to him.

The problem million of Nigerians have now is the billions spent during the election and billions spent in his aso rock.

I don't see the way he is able tell us that we are borrowing money which many perceive as the money he used for the election aso rock etc.

People see GEJ as one of them(corrupt leaders obj and co) now and they would like to see visible results before the removal.

You can't just tell us that 1.3 trillion would transform the economy. NO WAY

GEJ has been the president since 2010, we are in 2012 now NO change and you expect me to believe that there would be change now ?

[size=14pt]People would like to see refinaries built, maybe even power projects and rail projects all under contruction . then he would come and tell us that he needs more money to complete these project and as such subsidy has to be removed. That is more logical because it is the game of the mind that people would at least know where the money would be going to.[/size]

Was it not the same Iweala in 2005 that promised Heaven in Nigeria if we pay 16 billion dollars all at once ( NO country in world has ever paid that much all at once for debts) Is nigeria Heaven now ? No

the same person is coming again with another story that subsidy would turn nigeria into Heaven. Bros that is a hard pill to swallow.
Politics › Timaya On Subsidy by aljharem(op): 5:45pm On Jan 15, 2012
Government should do something to help the suffering masses. I am not supporting Jonathan but he must have a good reason for wanting to remove Subsidy. He should have consulted widely before taking his actions. As for me, this is not the right time to have subsidy removed. We still have Boko Haram to chase. There shouldn’t be any form of gathering right now. The timing is all wrong, we don’t the distraction.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/timaya-plantain-seller-tells-his-story/
Politics › Re: Mr President, Was The 2011 Subsidy Fund Used To Finance The April Elections? by aljharem(m): 5:33pm On Jan 15, 2012
of course

when u spend 1 billion naira on a night party in aso rock then yes

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