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fastseo1:
those who go for test or casually go for hbv test or just went without turning yellow are largely chronic. if he has been sick and showing symptoms then it's likely acute.
but no signs, no sickness they turn out chronic

They can turn out acute (asymptomatic). Stop talking from both sides of your mouth. Before you said OP is chronic because you believed everyone who randomly found out he has hepatitis B must have chronic Hepatitis. Did you know there was something like asymptomatic acute hepatitis if I had not told you?. I corrected you that you can't tell for sure. Now, you are stylishly correcting yourself but don't want to admit that you were wrong.

fastseo1:
each time I want to type a full explanation I am banned

Oga rest. There is no need to type a full explanation. What do you want to explain? Learn and move on . First, it is IgM anti-HBc and not IgM anti-HBs as you wrote. Secondly, you can't tell if a person has chronic Hepatitis because the person just randomly tested positive to hepatitis be virus. It could be an asymptomatic hepatitis b infection.

I too know na dey worry. Learn and move on. You will be a very hard person to teach in real life. You have made so many plunders here that I have corrected you here but you are always adamant to prove that you know.

Fastseo3:
sorry I was banned

He should test for IgM anti-HBs and if positive its acute but if negative it is chronic.

IgM anti-HBc you mean.

Now you are talking. Next time, do not jump into conclusion that someone has chronic Hepatitis B infection because he randomly tested positive for Hepatitis B. It could be an asymptomatic acute infection!

fastseo:
what we have been discussing is chronic hbv not acute.... and I did say that opp case is chronic... since he just discovered it by surprise. since he wasn't sick or anything he went for employment medical screening and found out right? then it's chronic


Secondly I have been hammering on HBeAg being positive or negative that should tell you am referring to chronic hbv..
when you get infected, the body hormones system flares up and try to kill the virus and the first sign here is the HBeAg turning negative. which is a part that replicate the virus.

everyone will have hbeag positive at first but as months goes by the body keeps fighting till it get rid of the whole virus or part that replicate it which is HBeAg. while 80% individuals are able to clear the hbeag others fail to clear it and this people are at higher risk except they find out on time. because the virus quickly multiple into 50,millions to even 100,000 millions


we have seen people clear the hbv virus within 9 months which exceed the usual 6 months.... that's why i added extra 3 months.


I posted three results.

so the first is a profile which shows hbeag being negative.... these set of patients usually have low dna and copy logs and the dna log will remain so in most cases or hovering around such figure.

the second person is 900 which is not up to 1000 as such he is not a high risk. he won't need any drugs and this persons are usually hbeag negative

The third result shows a high load of about 1.3 million which is very high.... this person needs medication and must check his liver if there is any damage ongoing already and there is any damage, then he can start medication which will knock the virus off to undetectable level In 6 months... then the liver will heal back or grow back to fresh new liver. but if it got to cirrhosis then there is a drug to slow it down.. for cirrhosis can't be healed or recovered... while fibrosis can be healed or recovered.

that is the power of the liver. but such a person must remain on the drug for life. taking each tenofovir tablets once a day to keep the virus at bar.

again the liver is something that grows or recover every night. that's why we are asked to eat early by 6pm we should eat our evening meal so that bythe time we are on bed... midnight the liver could have enough time to regrow.


hbeag turning negative is very important and a good indicator that a whole lot of risk has been minimise.

So when a patient comes to you.. tell him the good side about success stories... give him statistics that if there is 350 million hbv on earth, only 600,000 that dies which is less than 0.02% and those people is because they did not find out on time,and with proper lifestyle he will be among the 99. 9% of people still living . . tell him that although this is this but if u take your medication, check your self then you are fine. tell him about future drugs coming up, tell him to register for trial drugs so that when these drugs get to human trial... he will benefit from such trial.

If u start telling him negative stories... thinking u are helping him then other things like HBP will kill him first before even the hbv

You are just beating round the bush. No need posting patient's results here. You can be sacked for this. All what you have been saying has no bearing on this discussion.

1. There is no way to tell OP has chronic Hepatitis B. He can be an asymptomatic acute hepatitis patient. Not everyone who just randomly found out that they have Hepatitis B are chronic carriers. Some are acute that didn't show any symptoms of hepatitis B infection. Moreover, the parameter that they tested OP of is most likely HBSAg. HBsAg is present in both acute and chronic Hepatitis. So, how did you come to the conclusion that OP has chronic Hepatitis.

2. It seems you rarely see cases of acute Hepatitis and it's complications in your centre. Maybe you think hepatitis B is only Chronic hepatitis B.

fastseo:
what we have been discussing is chronic hbv not acute.... and I did say that opp case is chronic... since he just discovered it by surprise. since he wasn't sick or anything he went for employment medical screening and found out right? then it's chronic


Secondly I have been hammering on HBeAg being positive or negative that should tell you am referring to chronic hbv..
when you get infected, the body hormones system flares up and try to kill the virus and the first sign here is the HBeAg turning negative. which is a part that replicate the virus.

everyone will have hbeag positive at first but as months goes by the body keeps fighting till it get rid of the whole virus or part that replicate it which is HBeAg. while 80% individuals are able to clear the hbeag others fail to clear it and this people are at higher risk except they find out on time. because the virus quickly multiple into 50,millions to even 100,000 millions


we have seen people clear the virus within 9 months which exceed the usual 6 months.... that's why i added extra 3 months.

So when a person discovers he/she is HBV positive by surprise without being sick, it means the person must have chronic Hepatitis B? So you don't know that acute hepatitis B can be asymptomatic? A person can have acute hepatitis and not show any symptoms of hepatitis B infection. It is only when he or she is tested (as the case of OP), that is when he will know he has hepatitis. So, I repeat, the information OP gave is not enough ground to conclude he has chronic Hepatitis B. He may have asymptomatic acute hepatitis B.

What was the parameter that was tested in OP that they found he has hepatitis? It's most likely HBsAg. HBsAg can be seen in both acute and chronic Hepatitis. So, how can you just conclude that Op has Chronic hepatitis?

All your other points holds no water because it is based on an assumption that Op has Chronic hepatitis B.

And I hope you know HbeAg can be positive both in acute and chronic Hepatitis B infection?

ASAPFERG:
igbos deserve nothing but death

death to all igbos

Stop this!

fastseo:
do you know that you can get kidney failure from simple malaria given to you by mosquito bite? other stuff you can get from malaria is anemia and jaundice, seizures, mental confusion and even death and what are the chances that you get acute liver failure..... 1% or at most 4% and we haven't seen that in almost 1000 patients.

The most common problem we have seen is fibrosis, cirrhosis and liver cancer and when you are on your yearly routine scan you will spot those things and take drugs to correct it and you are at risk when you have a very high loads of virus and over 20 years to get to cirrhosis.

The liver is rugged in nature and don't easily succumbed to threat.. it can even regenerate.. like grow back even if destroyed to about 75%.

that's why we encourage everyone to get tested and know if you have it so u can watch your health....its no death sentence as most Nigerians think..

high blood pressure as simple as we see it kills 10 million people per year. now check your pa n mom, elderly i' your family and you will see someone who has HBP.

Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) kills almost twice the number... 17 to 18 million each year.

hvb kills not even up to half a million people per year and 90% of those people that died yearly only found out only when they get to the end point of liver failure... early detection remains the key and with time drugs with functional cure will be out. it won't take 10 years from now.
hepatitis C which is more stubborn n infectious now have a 100% cure so it's matter of time.

Lol. You really need help. Do you realise the video you posted is about chronic hepatits B and not hepatis B infection as a whole?

First, it is live and not leave. Second, hbv infection is not a chronic medical condition (as the image you earlier posted said). Thirdly, hbv is chronic if it exceeds 6 months and not 6-9 months. Fourthly, there is no indication that OP got the virus when he was a baby. He probably may have gotten it recently as an adult. I agree with you that the OP will live long and be healthy if he goes for regular check-up (I have never said otherwise)

I repeat, one can get acute liver failure if HbsAg is positive but HBeAG is negative.

Drop your pride and learn

[quote author=fastseo post=124824650][/quote]Lol. You really need help. Do you realise the video you posted is about chronic hepatits B and not hepatis B infection as a whole?

First, it is live and not leave. Second, hbv infection is not a chronic medical condition (as the image you earlier posted said). Thirdly, hbv is chronic if it exceeds 6 months and not 6-9 months. Fourthly, there is no indication that OP got the virus when he was a baby. He probably may have gotten it recently as an adult. I agree with you that the OP will live long and be healthy if he goes for regular check-up (I have never said otherwise)

I repeat, one can get acute liver failure if HbsAg is positive but HBeAG is negative.

Drop your pride and learn!

fastseo:
do you know that you can get kidney failure from simple malaria given to you by mosquito bite? other stuff you can get from malaria is anemia and jaundice, seizures, mental confusion and even death and what are the chances that you get acute liver failure..... 1% or at most 4% and we haven't seen that in almost 1000 patients.

The most common problem we have seen is fibrosis, cirrhosis and liver cancer and when you are on your yearly routine scan you will spot those things and take drugs to correct it and you are at risk when you have a very high loads of virus and over 20 years to get to cirrhosis.

The liver is rugged in nature and don't easily succumbed to threat.. it can even regenerate.. like grow back even if destroyed to about 75%.

that's why we encourage everyone to get tested and know if you have it so u can watch your health....its no death sentence as most Nigerians think..

high blood pressure as simple as we see it kills 10 million people per year. now check your pa n mom, elderly i' your family and you will see someone who has HBP.

Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) kills almost twice the number... 17 to 18 million each year.

hvb kills not even up to half a million people per year and 90% of those people that died yearly only found out only when they get to the end point of liver failure... early detection remains the key and with time drugs with functional cure will be out. it won't take 10 years from now.
hepatitis C which is more stubborn n infectious now have a 100% cure so it's matter of time.

Lol. What are you even saying? Do you read to understand or to reply? Or you just want to show your limited knowledge?

First, stop picking every thing online and posting. The image you posted says Hepatitis B is a chronic medical condition like diabetes and hypertension. Please, how is hepatitis B a chronic medical condition if many people that get infected with hepatitis B only experience a short period of illness and make full recovery?

What are we arguing about?

First you said if the OP goes for testing and HbeAg is negative, then there is no cause for alarm. And I told you that if a patient is HBsAg positive but HBeAG negative, it doesn't mean there is no cause for alarm because other factors like age and underlying medical condition can make a person who is HbsAg positive develop acute liver failure even if HbeAg is negative. If you can't show me evidence that I am wrong, please keep quite!

Then you said acute liver damage CAN ONLY OCCUR if the hbv are in hundreds of thousands to millions of copies. And I told you that is not true. With few hundred of copies of hbv, a person can develop acute liver failure because hbv itself is not the problem, but the immune response that reacts to these viruses, killing the virus and normal liver cells. I gave you an example that a child less than 5 years may only require a few copies of the hbv to develop acute liver failure (ALF) or develop chronic hbv infection. A 2 year old child's liver for example doesn't have the full regenerative capacity of that of an adult. Have you treated a 6 months old child with hepatitis b infection before? If you can't show me evidence that my assertion here is wrong, please keep quite. (By the way, do you know what acute liver failure is? Because I do not understand while I would say ALF, then you will be talking about cirrhosis). That the risk of developing ALF in a patient that is HbeAg negative is low, it doesn't mean there is no risk at all. Stop making absolute, definitive statements! And that you have ALF doesn't mean you will die. Why the paronia?

Now you talked about you haven't seen ALF in over 1000 patients. So, because you haven't seen it in over 1000 patients in your centre, does it mean ALF due to hbv doesn't occur in other parts of the world? What if I tell you ALF in patients who are HBsAg postive but HBeAg negative is relatively common in my centre? You are in a country with good health care system, where the people are enlightened and go for periodic medical checkup and you sit there to assume it's the same all over the world.

Then you talked about how Nigerian doctors put fears in the minds of their patients. I advised you to stop assuming and generalizing.

Did I ever tell you that whoever has hbv infection will die? Did I tell you that people with hbv infection can't recover and live a normal life?

Learn to read, understand and reply!

Heroicvic:
Maybe or maybe you return back to your bug infested matress

. Is it not too early to start wailing?

fastseo:
you see why I hate talking with likes like you? are u a Hepatologist?and what differentiate you from those people who rejected him from working with them all because he was positive?it's because u lack knowledge in this areas that's why u used that statement and ignorance kills faster than anything

a quick reminder those who have low virus has nothing to fear as the virus has little or no effect on them. and majority of this person falls in line with those who are HBeAg negative individuals and 80% of individuals that has HBeAg don't need any drugs as they remain soo for life.
Although some individuals will see reactivation... those who resort to taking alcohol, those who undergo bone marrow transplant/chemotherapy are likely to see reactivation

even those who has high load still have nothing to fear.. Once they are on tenofovir everything is cleared n they should remain in tenofovir for life or till when HBsAg turns negative and it takes teno in less than 6 months to bring viral load down.

and it takes 20 to 30 years for hbv to destroy the liver and for it to successfully do so it must be in hundreds of thousands to hundred of millions.

I have not seen in my entire life where just 2000 viral load lead to cirrhosis unless in places like middle East where they have an aggressive variant and most HBeAg negative I have seen are usually 0 to 400 viral load as their immune system keeps things in check.
all they have to do is to go for yearly check up..... LFT, liver scan and they are fine.

few years from now there will be a drugs as there are many drugs on 2nd trial stage and many have shown efficacy in reducing hepatitis B only few years from now a breakthrough will be found.

You are an adult. Stop being emotional. Medicine is not done with emotions. HBV is more deadlier than HIV is a medical fact. It doesn't mean I am putting fear in the mind of OP. Stop crying more than the bereaved.

Some hundreds of copies of HBV can cause acute liver failure (who even mentioned Cirrhosis? Or you don't know the difference between acute liver failure and cirrhosis?).

You are just blabbing, making the same mistakes I have corrected you of before.

Please, go and read by previous comments and be informed!

Heroicvic:
Ok wise one listen up
They could lend their voice in letting the world know who tinubu really is like EU did

70 yr old man

You can help them na since they couldn't do it!

Skibofire:
stop being foolish. the elected president of Niger is puppet of the westerner. Election cannot be free and fair in Niger with the west Meddling in the affair, the only possible way for liberation is a coup. Africa must be free from vampires.

This is the common cries of losers in an election. If their candidate didn't win, the west meddled in the election. And you think these military men that stage these coups aren't controlled by leaders of other countries?

You complain of the west influencing a democratic process. So, who influenced this coup? Russia?

Heroicvic:
USA knew about eu report regarding the just concluded presidential election and the role tinubu played

Why haven't they acted on that yet?
They went mute when niger citizen were decrying poverty and corruption by the democary leaders they so cherished

Same is happening in Nigeria 🇳🇬 now but they act like they're not concerned, but when the military decide to intervene, they will start acting world police ...

The west should sit this one out
Help us fight Boko Haram fess😏

So what do you want the US to do concerning the EU report on the election? Start a war with Nigeria? Come to Nigeria to remove Tinubu?

Una too mumu for this place!

Benjaniblinks:

Just the same way they backed Ukraine and now part of it is in rubbles.

Stop being stupid. There is nothing good about military rule. The US is right here. Don't allow your hate for the US to becloud your sense of reasoning.

fastseo:
Well we are not here to trade insult or blame.
am here to give hope to those who are with the infection that they have nothing to fear once they know what they have got and how to manage it and what they should eat and not eat,test they should run.


But in all we keep moving with hope until we get to full old age and exit the world.


if you get hbv... just know that u can live life to old age . give birth, see your grand children and if possible great grandchildren. all u should do is just checking your organs not only for hvb also for other diseases.

to those who are negative should also check their organs... kidney, check your heart, lungs etc at least once in a while. as disease when spotted on time there are drugs to put it under control.

I agree with you. But don't assume Nigerian doctors will put fear in the mind of patients before they help them. That's a hasty generalisation.

Even though it is good to give hope, you must tell them what they have and the likely outcome. It is not putting fear in them. The truth is that our people hardly go for routine check-up so when you say they should be going for routine check-up to check their organs, I laugh. You are talking like a Westerner and not a Nigerian. The next time many of them come back, they are already having complications from HBV infection (and it is mainly due to lack of money. Many of these tests are not cheap for the average Nigerian).

Hbv is even deadlier than hiv. So, while it is good to give hope, telling them the truth about the infection, the likely prognosis, the things they should avoid, the likely financial cost of treatment and tests etc doesn't mean Nigerian doctors spread fear.

fastseo:
I understand that Nigerian doctors will first scare patients before trying to help that patients get better.

https://www.hepbpositive.org.uk/understanding-viral-loads

It is clear you don't even understand the pictures you posted. Your own pictures rubbishes your claim.

You: for you to develop active liver damage, then the virus should be running into hundred of thousands to millions to hundreds of millions.


Your own pictures: 500 to 5000 unlikely to cause harm or infect (notice it didn't say it can't infect. It says it is unlikely to cause infection. Meaning, there is a chance it can). There are people who have underlying conditions that can make it possible for even 500 copies of the virus to cause infection. This is also possible for very young children and theirs can easily progress to chronicity.

5000 to 250,000- low risk (it didn't say no risk. Meaning there is a possibility even 5000 IU/ml can cause an infection).

I guess you are a lab scientist who was tormented in the Nigerian health sector before leaving for the UK. Kpele! .

I actually do not blame you though. You do not know the natural history of HBV infection, neither do you understand the pathogenesis.

fastseo:
for you to develop active liver damage, then the virus should be running into hundred of thousands to millions to hundreds of millions.

most patients with HBeAg negative have viral load of just 100, 500 to few thousand and as such they are far less likely to have liver damage.

what I mean here is that most of them have low viral DNA levels(<104 copies/ml).

But they must at least do liver scan and also LFT once in a year and from data from a non profit organisation in the UK.. which shows that as long as there is no Co-infection, as long as there is normal ast n alt reading normal value then that individual is less likely to have liver damage.



like i said liver damage don't happen over night... because the liver is able to regenerate and can regrown if damage to over 70%. and it takes 20 to 30 years for hbv to do huge damage to the liver n once u are doing this check up once in a year.. 'you should spot it and take action to reverse it.

We have seen a situation where a person has viral load of 50 millions to 100 millions with no single liver damage and as soon they are placed on tenofovir the viral load drop to undetectable level within 6 months


the most important thing is to be positive.... fear brings a lot of woes... after all people are dying of cancer, malaria etc hvb is not something that takes life....today today.. 'it takes years of non detection n once detected then you are fine.


let's give people hope... don't scare them thinking they will die today.... I repeat hope to remain positive n live for Tomorrow

This is false. Hepatitis B virus is not a cytotoxic virus, that means, the virus doesn't injury to the liver. What actually causes injury to the liver is the person's immune response to the virus. In an attempt to kill the virus, the immune system also kill normal liver cells. So, you are wrong when you say for a patient to develop acute liver failure, the virus must be running into hundreds of thousands or millions. Few hundreds or tens of the virus can trigger an immune response and with such immune response, acute liver damage can occur.

fastseo:
whats your reason to say so.. any valid reason let me know?

A negative HBeAg result indicates very minimal or no HBV replication..
all u have to do is yearly check up to see how it progresses or how the immune system handles it. avoid alcohol because it can reactive it.

There people whose HBeAg is negative and their virus remain low for a period of 30 to 40 years without taking no drugs. and also note that about 1% of this set are lucky to clear the virus of their system.
while some as they get older the immune system gets better at handling it better.

It seems you are only looking at chronic infection. A patient who has a positive HBsAg can develop acute liver failure even if HbeAg is negative at the time of testing.

fastseo:
I know it's herpetites B. and most jobs here in Nigeria and Arab countries do discriminate about it and won't employ you if you test positive to it and that's very bad.

well for now just go to the hospital and do a hapertitis B profile and check if your HBeAg is positive or not. if positive then its active but if negative is inactive which means you have no fear of harm.

then secondly you do a viral load test to know the amount in your blood.

then you do a liver scan and also liver function tests.

note: if the HBeAg is negative n viral load is often low like few thousands to hundreds.. you won't need any medication or take any drugs . 80 to 95% of hapertitis b patients are just like this that's why u hardly see someone complaining of liver damage as you can find in kidney damage.


next avoid alcohol, delete it from your menu. stop eating meat as it is to heavy to break down by liver, stop eating fried food or stuff.

eat fruit, vegetables and stuff that are cooked. and stop eating junk.

test members of your family to check if anyone has it and if no then vaccinate everyone.


for Now you should know you have chronic herpetites b.. its definitely not acute.. anyone that just go for test and found out with suprise without eye turning yellow... its chronic. meaning you got it either when u are still a child through blood transfusion either when ur mom was about to birth you and the blood was not screen enough. in the 1990s they hardly screen blood for herpetites and this gave a sharp rise.


for adult... hepatitis b pose little as the immune system will destroy it instantly it get to the body @95/99% of the time an adult is infected. but for children they have low immune system that's why every child get vaccinated at birth since 2004.

As for the cure... no herbal drugs can kill a virus don't let anyone tell you that.
while right now there are some trial drugs they are developing to cure it and within 10 years from now they will find a drug.
Although there is a drug that is giving 30/40% success rate and it will soon be on sale within 3 years from now.

before jumping at treatment which involves taking tenofovir... please ensure that the hbv is active and it is in millions before u take drugs... don't allow any doctor force u to take drugs.. because all this Nigerian doctors have little knowledge on hbv because if you start taking it, u won't stop it else it will resist it in future

someone said drink water... water cannot flush a chronic hbv no matter how u take it.. its only when it's acute you can increase intake of water to help healing process but in chronic it won't affect anything

lastly don't drink any herbal drugs as it can complication things... herpetites b won't kill you so don't fear unless it multiply in millions or hundred of millions (HBeAg positive) and start destroying the liver without u knowing and it takes 20 to 30 years to destroy someone liver and also lifestyle like alcohol intake also contribute how fast it destroy.

Remember to check the HBeAg weather it is positive or not... you can know that through hbv panel test and it is 10k in most lab.

Point of correction;

If HbeAg is negative, it doesn't necessarily mean there is no cause for alarm.

ElSudani:
Western powers? Is he not aware of the Wagner from far away Russia declaring support for the coup?
Why would a mercenary group from Russia declaring support for a coup in Africa?

Whatever be the case, going to war will do more harm than good. We have our own security problems. Let's face it

Them don release you after you don pay ransom, you wan dey make mouth. Ozuor!

Felimax:
I love my wife so much, she was just one in a billion.

The way we started and the dreams and projects ahead of us will not allow us to get deterred by our same genotype.

We are both AS and right now we are blessed with an angel and three handsome princes.

My sister rejected her AS genotype husband to be and ran after an AA genotype man who she later married bad as it is they have been married for like six years now but no child.

My marriage of seven years is blessed with four kids already.

Bottom line - go to your God and talk to Him about it.
PLEASE DON'T SHOUT, DON'T SHOUT when you are talking to your God. If you shout you will hardly hear Him talking to you..

He will tell you your next line of action. Marriage is of God not man.

Throw the NON away and keep the SENSE.

Even as a Christian, this is a very wrong advise to give. An AS person should stay away from another AS person when it comes to marriage. That you escaped it such that none of your children are SS doesn't mean there are not other people who are regretting while they got married because of the pain they see their SS children go through.

Moreover, that you escaped giving birth to SS children is probably not a miracle. Even AS and AS parents have some probability of giving birth to AA and AS child. Nor be everything be miracle!

Don't advise people to tempt God.

You said nothing in this write up sha. Looks like an article gotten from a website.

bukatyne:
Not excusing them but the teenage wife can go to school after childbirth. That's what most of the notable Northern women did.

Teenager and wife should not be in the same sentence in the First place. Why should a teenager be someone's wife?

This picture looks more like the child had neonatal herpes than herpes caused by kissing from an adult.

Farthing02:
Mbappe would be dumber than I thought if he refuses this deal…….milk the Arab donkeys for a year then leave free for your dream move to Madrid in a year. Win win for him

Lol. You want to play in Saudi arabia league for a year and you hope to be in a shape, form and fitness so you can go play in madrid. Lol. How e wan take happen? Maybe you don't know why it is old men and those who are are about retiring that go to leagues like the Saudi league. If Mbappe plays in Saudi Arabia league for 1 year, he will never play in Europe again. No big European club will go for him again. He wouldn't be at the competitive standard of European football again.

He would have gone to Madrid last season when mardid wanted him.

You people should not kill anybody for this sha. Make una nor kill anybody all in the name of fighting for Allah. To kill nor dey hard una.

thesicilian:
Lies we keep telling ourselves:
1. That these girls were forced into prostitution.
2. That they want to be rescued

Useless idiot!

Nasri100:
I am thinking how the call went.

Hello sir, CONGRATULATIONS OOOOOOOO

I & THE OTHER EXES WILL STIL FUG YOUR WIFE WHEN YOU NOT AROUND OOOOO

Sultty:
for sa to give some kind of a signal shows that something could be planned against him and sa don't want to be a part of it. Truly sa will be blamed but they will still blame us

Some of you just comment on issues without knowing what they are talking about.

Let me break it down for you;

1. The ICC (international criminal court) which is based in the Hague, Switzerland issued an arrest warrant for putin for war crimes


2. South Africa, as an ICC member is obligated to arrest Putin if Putin steps his foot on South Africa soil.

4. But south Africa is pleading with the ICC that it can't arrest putin when he comes to south Africa as it would mean war.

Please, tell me what consigns the US in this matter.

This kind of issue has happened before. The ICC placed an arrest warrant on sudan president Omar Al-Bashir. When the Sudanese president went to South Africa for an African union summit in 2015, thd ICC told south Africa to arrest the Sudanese president but south Africa refused.

Learn to understand the issues on ground before commenting.

Sultty:
the war in Ukraine could be the straw that will finally break the camel's back. Seems the war has taken a new dimension and has the world on two sides; on Russia's side we have china, turkey and lots of middle east countries and on the us's side is western Europe headed by Britain and must European countries hurt by Russia's policy. African countries too looks as if there are not interested but will be surprised must of them have taken sides too. If Russia Putin gets harmed they will blame us before sa #let that sink in

Lol. If for example Putin gets harmed or arrested in South Africa, Russia will blame the US that US did what?