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pagan (adj)1. having, being, or relating to religious beliefs, which are not part of any of the world's major religions. usage: this was the site of a pagan [/i]temple to the sun.
2.irreligious.
(noun)3. a person who does not belong to any of the world's major religions.
4. a person without any religion [Church Latin [i]paganus civilian (hence not a soldier of the Christ)].

Again this is foreign terminology that has little or NO credit outside of its maiden use. e.g its use in ancient middle east times during the infamous crusades e.t.c

Without naming names, i could fill this sheet with numerous sect that fall into (bullet point 1&3) of this lexicon definition that will simply not accomodate the use of this euphenism as any sort of qualification.

Question! (To those that seek comfort in this term) If you call someone that has a populous school of thought names like pagan, what do you call a free thinker?


Meanwhile, i'm not sugggesting this as a sort of defence because i'm in away shape or form taking offence to the use; but the use as in terms of meaning. One needs to make clear which definition is being used to play out specific point; is it that you accuse yourself of being irreligious Or? Just for discussion sake

As i refuse to either support or refute previous discussion, in my opinion the notion of lesser gods is Greek. I know of heroes, sages, priests, divine ministers, deities, divinities, e.t.c but lesser gods in my opinion is merely a false positive. Olodumare is much more than anyone school of thought, Infinite in state., Indefatiguable, Ruler of the heavens, Lord of revelations,  trust me, i can go on and on and on.

Even though you mightnt see things from my point of view the truth is that which was, is now and shall always be, IS. Not all deities are divinities, meaning

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there are Orisha and there are Orisha. For instance, one's household Orisha is rightfully so; yet the term is mainly reserved for the primordial. What we in the West of the continent take for granted is what the South Americans are running away with. Its like a strange case of musical chairs, we have other peoples religion (Or do we?) and others have ours (Or do they?).

I grew up under the impression that ones culture/tradition is the main force behind ones school of thought (atleast it should be). Olodumare in multi-lateral Glory IS not Yoruba, English, Latin, Chinesse or Greek e.t.c, yet reaches out to every corner of what we know to be universe; Is here, there and everywhere.

Oba ti nje Olu
Oba ti nje Olorun Oba
Oba ti nje Olodumare
Oba dugbedugbe bi igi adaro
Oba to tuwoka se  oun gbogbo fun awon eleran ara
Adeda
Aseda
Alewilese
Oba to gba agbara lowo alagbara
Oba to gba'de lowo Alade
Oloruko egbagbeje
Oba ti mbe ki bebe fun ara ti e to d'aiye
Bebe Nla
Al'obalebioro
Oba Ajiki
Oba Awoki
Oba Afaki
Oba Arinki
Oba Asaki
Oba Agunki
Oba Akoki
Oba Atoki
Okiki Ola
Okiki Oola
Afunilounjemap'ebi
Asorefunimagb'ege
Aj'oruko gbogbo, nibi gbogbo, l'ojo gbogbo
Agbomatepa,
Adagba-maparo-oye
Awuwomasegbe,
Agbomatepa

"Oba ti a ko le ki tan",

thehomer:
This approach is an example of syncretism of this God into other cultures. Some of these cultures were polytheistic so if you grant that their elder God was also called Allah or whatever, you are also granting that this elder God/Allah had lesser Gods that were also important in these cultures. What should these other cultures do about their notion of greater and lesser Gods?

I think the point that you are alluding to is the misintepretation of the term "lesser gods" in terms of its general use. In my opinion, this notion that their exist undergods and or lesser gods is one that is born out of the Greek mythology and has little or NO credibility outside of its maiden usage. Divinities, deities, heroes e.t.c Yes; lesser gods, i DO NOT think so.

Olodumare is God in various ways that makes more sense expressed in this form however if you attempt to interchange, then it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence. God is Olodumare in many ways yet if you attempt to interchange, then. it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence.

Olodumare is Allah in various ways that makes more sense expressed in this form however if you attempt to interchange, then it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence. Allah is Olodumare in many ways yet if you attempt to interchange, then. it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence.

Are Olodumare and "God/Allah" the same entity/concept/word?

Our Parents invented all the better things in life.

Omobachi i could not agree with you more. There seems to be this perverted notion by the 'West' that our Africa is one big country with different different states.
You hear it all the time: "last month i went to Africa" - no you did'nt you went to Nijeria, South Africa, Liberia e.t.c. all are countries on the African Continent.
I am afraid it will be one of history's greatest understatements for me to state that the acts of colonism that was laid-upon us in yester-years "has been the single most catastrophic episode that befell mother Africa.
She has been awoken again and again and now bellowing to the citizens of the world to give her and her inhabitants the respect that is rightfuly ours.

P or Q denotes the actuality whilst P* or Q* denotes derivatives.

That is to say P or Q are not in the slightest reliant on P* or Q* in as much as that at some point P* will actualy represent P; Q* will actualy represent Q: these are rare occassions.

Pastor AIO that is pretty much so except for when the point whereby the 'fact' conceded is in all actuality nothing but the 'truth'. However at such point it would cease to be a 'fact' but rather the 'truth'.

Black! Who is Black?

Me, I'm Black, as a matter of fact, I identify as Black African.

For instance, the people of KM.T are black and African.

As in, the people Egyptologist call 'Ancient Egyptian', they were black and African.

Think of a compound proposition where truth or falsity is unequivocally determined by the reality or falsity of its components for different possible cases; whereby P or Q is a true - function of P and Q.

Since this notion is false if they are both false, but true if P is true or if Q is true or if they both are: then, P* or Q* is a fact - function of P and Q since it is deemed false if they both are unfounded, but founded if P* is factual or if Q* is factual or if they both are.

However, some compound propositions do not appear to be FUNCTIONAL at first glance.

For instance - P* because Q* cannot be factual unless both P* and Q* are founded, but even if they are, it may either be TRUE or FALSE; as P* because Q* is true if and only if both P* and Q* are indeed P and Q respectively.

Perhaps the most common persuasive notion of truth is that it lies in correspondence to the facts.

Yet, by stipulating rigid conditions whereby a true - statement applies, then, such notion becomes inadmissable.

Take for instance the statement 'grass is green'; this is a true-statement if and only if grass is indeed green; this does not imply that such statement cannot be fact in its own right, but that grass does not indeed have to be green before or after it is stated as fact; rather, it merely has to be proven or conceded to such effect.

With this, grass would not have been revealed to be truly green but instead be called green on the basis of a concession.

Is fact synonymous to truth?

Truth is that which is in itself real, concise, definite, and unchangeable; meaning more than real or genuine; that which was, is, and shall always be real and incorruptible in terms of permanence and lasting.

Whilst fact is that which is known, conceded upon or considered to be real or genuine; a stipulation of concession.

The failure to distinguish or even accept truth as a major element from the use with regards to grammatical values; the notion that allows the distinction of of truth from fact is in harmony with the general intellectual character of modern expression in which we think of primarily as academic.

Truth is that which you seek that makes you glad when found.
Truth is that which was, is and will always be regardless of perception.

'Tis about time that we pulled our weight; as u may have suspected, i am in support of the programe in as much that it is used in the defence of Nigerian soil. Assuming we attain such technological advancement, there would be a deterant against the 'big bullies'. South Africa has got it, with grit and responsibility we would do just fine with it.

You have a point qleyo, my concerns stem in the direction of substainability: our leaders need to(or support those willing to) fall those ill-judged ties that we have wounded around our resources in the form of P.A.C.Ts. By now we should be thinking of nationalising all rights to escavate any form of mineral.
There are 100s of thousands of diplomats ready in the wings for the federal government to give a go ahead and would be happy to charge not even one kobo; we are confident that the argument is as ripe as can be; its a case of being in a win win situation.
How long are we to sit and allow the Western Powers continue their exploitations.