₦airaland Forum

BabaRamota1980:
Babaloke will bless you. This is fact.

Ase o. May Babaloke bless you as well.

macof:
I can't disagree or agree to this. But this really isn't the point of language classification.

The origin of a language can be different from the origin of the speakers of said language. People adopt languages you know.
@bold : you can say that I guess

I agree.

The people of Nigeria have been in existence in the same region for years that would amount to hundreds of thousands (close to one million years).

It's from here that we migrated to other parts of the continent, to Northern Africa, the Americas, Asia and Europe during the periods before so-called records began.

That is to say, similar to all the other Africans, Nigerianssic have been travelling the world before the arrival of the current stock of Asians and Europeans.

donnie:
The scriptures are not "Christian".

You dont know what you're texting.

Provide your sources then we'll take it from there.

Oya face back.

donnie:
You're only decieving yourself with that false narrative. Africans are one but they are capturing you and enslaving you. They hate you and want to wipe you out. But una eye never clear yet. You're dealing with people who know you and understand history but you prefer to remain dumb and complacent.

Even the DNA is different but you like the false narrative as it keeps you and your fellows happy in your false reality.

Even Yoruba and Hausa traditions state clearly their migration from the collapsing Assyrian empire...

You are out of your mind.

The only person peddling a false narrarive is you.

Provide us with the sources of your warped narrative.

Im guessing you are going to quote the bible?

The history of the entire world has already been determined by genuine historians, stay there spouting out nonsense.

Only goodness knows where you get all these nonsensical narratives from, whoever told you this ought to be locked away and the keys thrown into the deep blue.

donnie:
These are all Ancient biblical ISRAELITES.

The Christian bible is void of history.

You wont find anyones history in the bible but some derranged writters personal scruples.

As in, scrupulosity.

In short, that book is fake, false and counterintuitive.

The moment you provide such fake literature as a source, the moment the information you present becomes invalid.

macof:
There are still so many things you misunderstand and mix together in regard to language classification

We might have to take it, one step at a time

But know this

Similarities between Berber languages and Ancient Egyptian exist such as: VSO sentence order, two-gender system in the singular with adding ‘t’ to the feminine"

Berber are a mixture of European and West Asian, these are what history affirms.

As stated earlier, the term 'Berber' transpires from olden day Greek.

These are the people that occupied the area of the continent that they called the 'Maghrib'.

Has nothing to does with Kemit

They invaded the area, it isn’t that they originated from there, they originate from Europe and West Asia, even the language they speak can attest to this.

The similiarities you point out is perhaps the language systems of those days that they must've adopted from the region.

These are periods in history that predates the battle of 'Ain Ja lut', pre-Islamic era.

macof:
There's nothing like God given right in Humanities. You study and discuss what interests you and make the necessary research

Yes there is a right in Humanities.

The right to know ones own history for instance; that is a God given right.


Nevermind the semantics, given that Egypt is in Africa, who has the right to discuss Ancient Egypt, Africans, Asians or Europeans?

Let me cite another example, who has the right to study German history, Europeans, Africans or Asians.

Another example?

Who has the right to study Persian history, Asians, Africans or Europeans?

There are no tribes in Africa, there are ethnicities. The tribes are elsewhere.

Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba are indegenous to the African continent.

Furthermore, the African is first to inhabit and populate all the other continents.

Amujale:
That makes a huge amount of difference.

The people who ran a slavetrade, stole, confiscated, pillaged, desecrated, raped and exploited the continent are by right disqualified from writing our history, thats simple common sense logic.

Yes, it does matter dur to the fact they would have an ulterior motive

macof:
Nothing disqualifies a scholar from researching and reporting the conclusion of his research.

If there is a problem with the research, scrutiny would reveal it.
You don't overlook the work and attack the person.

Such mentality can hurt you too because people can say well you aren't Egyptian don't talk about Egypt

You overlooked the point made in my previous response.

Moving on, Egypt is an African country.

Yes its currently occupied by olden days foreign invaders, but it remains an African country similar to all the other North African ones.

Given the above facts, who has the God given right to discuss about KM.T, Africans, Asians or Europeans?

macof:
Berber languages are related to ancient Egyptian.

No they are not.

Berber languages are related to some of the first invaders of North Africa from Europe and the Medeterranian.

One could easily assert that the Berber language is Afro-asiatic due to the vast amount of years spent on the continent; thousands of years to be precise.

The term 'Berber' simply means those in Europe and West Asia that didnt speak Greek.

It was the Greeks that coined that term.

Amujale:
The Berbers, Moore, Assyrians, Arabians and Europeans are all foreigners to the North African region.

The Berbers descend from the Barbarians, the Moors from a mixture of Arab and European, the Assyrians and Arabs from the Mediterranean and the Europeans from Europe.

Originally all the communities in North Africa was those of the Nubian. Not strictly the Nubian as is known today, but African.

As in, in the olden days, the term Nubian simply refers to the African.

The Arabs, Greeks and Persians used that term as well as other terms such as Ethiopian in order to signify the presence of the African.

According to the history of Northern Africa, it was these foreigners that invaded the region and settled there as far back as the First Millennium, a period that predates the founding of Carthage.

You wont find a Berber language related term in Kemit.

Furthermore, there was no such thing as a 'Berber' during the Pharaonic era in KM.T.

The foreigners in the times of Kemit was the, 'Sea people', Hyskos and than later the Assyrians.

The Assyrians became more prominant in Olden days Egypt, this was never a problem for KM.T.

macof:
Nothing disqualifies a scholar from researching and reporting the conclusion of his research.

If there is a problem with the research, scrutiny would reveal it.
You don't overlook the work and attack the person.

Such mentality can hurt you too because people can say well you aren't Egyptian don't talk about Egypt

Firstly, im not talking about Egypt, it's all about Kemit.

Secondly, what disqualifies ones research is 'motive'.

Explain to us the logic in sourcing from the narrative of either the Arabian fundamentalist or Eurocentric warmongers.


Furthermore, our own historians have proven to us that their narratives are wrong.

macof:
Afro-asiatic still originated within Africa so what exactly is the problem my man

The problem is as stated earlier, the people of Kemit couldnt in a billion years have spoken an Afro-asiatic language.

By default, following the correct timeline in history, Asia wasnt even an afterthought during the founding of Kemit.

If anything, the Berber, Moors and current Egyptians are the ones who speak an Afro-asiatic language.

The people of Kemit spoke a purely African language; and as the evidence suggest, perhaps more leaning towards Niger-Congo than anything.

Amujale:
Perhaps the most mportant point to note is that the language classification of African languages wasnt created by Africans.

I hope we can all agree on the above statement.

macof:
And so? What has that to do with the linguistic accuracy or inaccuracy of the language classification?

That makes a huge amount of difference.

The people who ran a slavetrade, stole, confiscated, pillaged, desecrated, raped and exploited the continent are by right disqualified from writing our history, thats simple common sense logic.

Yes, it does matter dur to the fact they would have an ulterior motive

macof:
Do we say that you as a Yoruba (I assume you are Yoruba) must be inaccurate of anything you say about non yorubas no matter how hard you study?

That is very possible, im the first to admit.

And that brings us to the point of the thread.

The only correct and geniune narrative on African history are those admitted by the African, all other narratives are false and invalid.

However, im a sucker to genuine sourced material.

Assuming my informatiom is genuinely sourced, then such must be admissable.

macof:
And so? What has that to do with the linguistic accuracy or inaccuracy of the language classification?

Once we start to classify African languages as being Afro-asiatic, then that unfortunately takes us out of the necessary point of study.

Civilisation moved down the Nile.

macof:
Hmm. Conscious community.
These African American "conscious" guys can be funny though, I have experience with them. I for one can only advise to scrutinize your teachings from them, examine the variables and implications of what they say and if it is consistent with reality and known facts

I must admit that ive had that thought process in the past, yet, on a closer inspection, they hold a vast amount of good and genuine infornation backed with concrete sources.

Furthermore, the particular scholars i would introduce you to is in reference to the transliteration of the Metu Neter, no more, no less.

Btw, they are known to charge tuition fee.

They take us on field trips to Kemit, not solely based in the classroom.

Perhaps the most mportant point to note is that the language classification of African languages wasnt created by Africans.

I hope we can all agree on the above statement.

macof:
One thing that we must remember is that the ancient Egyptian language is an Afro-asiatic language but he compares this language using words that he believes to be cognates from Niger-Congo languages.

The Ancient Egyptian language isnt Afro-asiatic due to the fact that Kemit predates Asia.

Hence, the question would arise, how can one claim the people of Kemit spoke an Afro-asiatic language when at the time of their foundation, there was zero human activity on the Asian continent?

The scholars who made those assertions are liars and fakers.

Furthermore, the Niger-Congo languages have the more prominant linguistic connections than any other region of the world.

macof:
it was just a question besides one can never know on a faceless forum.

Hmm. Conscious community.
These African American "conscious" guys can be funny though, I have experience with them. I for one can only advise to scrutinize your teachings from them, examine the variables and implications of what they say and if it is consistent with reality and known facts


Obenga is indeed a popular proponent of the African identity of ancient Egyptians and even without him I am convinced that the ancient Egyptian identity is most significantly African.
But his work doesn't do a good job at using other African languages. One thing that we must remember is that the ancient Egyptian language is an Afro-asiatic language but he compares this language using words that he believes to be cognates from Niger-Congo languages

Also my trust for his expertise is very little as the Yoruba words he uses either don't exist or don't mean what he says they do

Who says the Ancient Egyptian language is Afro-asiatic?

That is only claimed by foreigners who seek to deny the fact the Egypt is in African.

The point of this thread is to proof beyond doubt that the Yoruba was, are present in Kemit at the start and as such, our language features a great deal.

More importantly, our ancestors helped found Kemit.

Yes, there was other communities from the continent, however, Yoruba is one of them.

macof:
So you didn't read this link before posting it? I got it from here

‘’Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regularity’’ authored by Théophile Obenga.

http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_16/ankh_16_t_obenga_ancient%20egyptian%20and%20modern%20yoruba.pdf


And my post was clear enough actually

Thats not the point, the point is that you didnt see those words in my submission.

Focus on the content in the thread and work from there.

macof:
im confused
Did I misunderstand my comment before?

No need to be confused, i was the one who posted the source, therefore, as one who does extensive research, as a historian, its common to come accross these kind of discrepancies.

Its our job to take the accurate version and discard the incorrect information.

Foreigners didnt decode the Metu Neter, they transliterated it via the Rosetta Stone.

The Rosetta Stone is what the people of Kemit was forced to hand to the Ptolemy's during their stint in Egypt.

The false assertion that foreigners decoded the Metu Neter is tantamount to claiming that foreigners decoded the Yoruba language.

Such assertions belong in the trash can.

The fact is that all African languages had their own written text prior to foreign distruption.

These are the literature that the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers waged a substained attack on during their attempt of world domination.

macof:
EG. "ni" does not mean "exit" in Yorùbá
"bùsi" does not mean "to bless", "bose" does not mean "secretly", "busa" does not mean "to honor". "ama" is a loan word from hausa, so that doesn't count...

Its important to note that i totally agree with you on these pointers.

macof:
If you spoke Yoruba you would know that Obenga 's work is filled with flawed Yoruba translations
I wonder if he gave flawed translations for the Egyptian words too.

If i spoke Yoruba?

Hahaha very funny.

Nje emi le speak Yoruba bi?

I know you arent disputing my credentials, just thought it necessary to reinforce my stand.

Anyways, one can learn to read and transliterate the Metu Neter.

There are many ways to accomplish such actions, i learnt the quickest way from the conscious community.

Assumung you are looking to learn as well, i can connect you with a sound tutor.

Now back to Obenga, yes some of his Yoruba translations werent accurate, however, he's not the one who constructed the proof i present to the thread, i did.

Furthermore, his work on Kemit is without dispute.

I would stick my scholastic neck out and say he's one of the world's leading scholars partaining to the study of Kemitic linguistics and how it relates to other African languages.

Yes, the Metu Neter is 100% African.

macof:
Also i was hoping you would provide an independent egyptian dictionary that confirms this particular list you shared ealier

Amujale:
The linguistic comparison is mainly sourced from my personal lexicon that is in turn derived from the works of many African historians i.e Cheik Anta Diop, Maulana Ndabezitha Karenga, R.O Faulkner and especially Théophile Obenga.


I would recommend the book below;


Pharaonic Egyptian: an African language
Egyptian - Dagara - Yoruba - Baule - Dogon - Languages ​​of Bahr el-Ghazal by Théophile OBENGA.
(It’s important to note that the above book is originally published in French, however, one could always subject the book to a translator)


This technical work on historical and comparative linguistics is composed of studies already published since 1976 as well as recent studies, made public here for the first time.

The method of historical and comparative linguistics is clearly exposed, then applied to the facts of African language.

This didactic dimension of the work gives this book all its value and all its originality.

Since the Cairo conference in 1974, and from the founding works of Cheikh Anta Diop, Pharaonic Egyptian, ancient Nilotic African language, and other modern African languages, refer to a common predialectal ancestor whose demonstration is convincing.

We can proceed to a more scientific classification of African languages. Baule (baoulé) from Ivory Coast, Dogon from Mali, Dagara from Burkina Faso, Yoruba from Nigeria, Nilotic languages ​​from Bahr el-Ghazal in southern Sudan, Pharaonic Egyptian and Coptic provide the materials for the linguistic demonstration.

The Akkadian and Assyrian, themselves Semitic, are also called upon to better contrast the very detailed analyzes of paradigms and structures.

Here then is a work of considerable value, for the benefit of African linguistics and general linguistics.

The way it works is that we transliterate the Metu Neter.

Assuming you are looking for lexicon on the Metu Neter, the sources above ARE the world leaders.

macof:
EG. "ni" does not mean "exit" in Yorùbá
"bùsi" does not mean "to bless", "bose" does not mean "secretly", "busa" does not mean "to honor". "ama" is a loan word from hausa, so that doesn't count.
And more..

..

Where did you read such submission in this thread?

Kindly point to me where on this thread you get such submissions.

These are the submissions i provide here, are you contesting any of these?

Amujale:
Linguistic Similarities:

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In what is commonly known as the Saussure theory.

Identical/Similarities between Yoruba and Ancient Egypt/Kush.

ℹ Mi (to breath) - Mi (to breathe)

ℹBi (to become) - Bi (to become)

ℹOmi (Water) - Omi (water)

ℹOdo (river) - Do (river)

ℹTa (spread out) - Ta (spread out)

ℹTan (complete) - Tan (complete)

ℹOkan (one) - Kan (one)

ℹKumo (club) - Kum (club)

ℹEre (python) - Ere(python)

ℹFa (pull) - Fa (carry)

ℹOruwo (head) - Horuw (head)

ℹWu (rise) - Wu (rise)


There are over 100 identical words that have the exact same meaning in Yoruba as is present in the Ancient Egyptian/Kush dialects.

The Berbers, Moore, Assyrians, Arabians and Europeans are all foreigners to the North African region.

The Berbers descend from the Barbarians, the Moors from a mixture of Arab and European, the Assyrians and Arabs from the Mediterranean and the Europeans from Europe.

Originally all the communities in North Africa was those of the Nubian. Not strictly the Nubian as is known today, but African.

As in, in the olden days, the term Nubian simply refers to the African.

The Arabs, Greeks and Persians used that term as well as other terms such as Ethiopian in order to signify the presence of the African.

According to the history of Northern Africa, it was these foreigners that invaded the region and settled there as far back as the First Millennium, a period that predates the founding of Carthage.

macof:
Has Runoko Rashidi ever even worked at any African University or even been to Africa for research cus frankly I don't know
For you to declare him one of the foremost

Runoko Rashidi is an African scholar, the introduction I gave him says it all.

Amujale:
Runoko Rashidi is one of the foremost scholars in the field of research into melanated communities all over the world. 

He is not the kind of academic who sits in an ivory tower only studying manuscripts, he meets with many communities in over 100 countries and visited countless museums and historical sites and given thousands of lectures. 

He has taken beautiful photographs, some of which feature in his other books published by Books of Africa, Black Star, African Star over Asia e.t.c

In all reality, Runoko is a Nubian.

macof:
Can you provide them?

Another good read is ‘’Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regularity’’ authored by Théophile Obenga.

http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_16/ankh_16_t_obenga_ancient%20egyptian%20and%20modern%20yoruba.pdf

The linguistic comparison is mainly sourced from my personal lexicon that is in turn derived from the works of many African historians i.e Cheik Anta Diop, Maulana Ndabezitha Karenga, R.O Faulkner and especially Théophile Obenga.


I would recommend the book below;


Pharaonic Egyptian: an African language
Egyptian - Dagara - Yoruba - Baule - Dogon - Languages ​​of Bahr el-Ghazal by Théophile OBENGA.
(It’s important to note that the above book is originally published in French, however, one could always subject the book to a translator)


This technical work on historical and comparative linguistics is composed of studies already published since 1976 as well as recent studies, made public here for the first time.

The method of historical and comparative linguistics is clearly exposed, then applied to the facts of African language.

This didactic dimension of the work gives this book all its value and all its originality.

Since the Cairo conference in 1974, and from the founding works of Cheikh Anta Diop, Pharaonic Egyptian, ancient Nilotic African language, and other modern African languages, refer to a common predialectal ancestor whose demonstration is convincing.

We can proceed to a more scientific classification of African languages. Baule (baoulé) from Ivory Coast, Dogon from Mali, Dagara from Burkina Faso, Yoruba from Nigeria, Nilotic languages ​​from Bahr el-Ghazal in southern Sudan, Pharaonic Egyptian and Coptic provide the materials for the linguistic demonstration.

The Akkadian and Assyrian, themselves Semitic, are also called upon to better contrast the very detailed analyzes of paradigms and structures.

Here then is a work of considerable value, for the benefit of African linguistics and general linguistics.