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ichuka:
Since ur pm is not working let me have ur name
Presumed you are better now

tessywithsexy:
Good morning all,
Here is my take on tithing the Holy Spirit will let us know when we violate the inward law. Tithing, circumcision, ceremonial washing, Saturday worship, holy days, dietary laws, Temple worship, stoning, all are part of the Old Testament law. Do them all or NONE AT ALL. Gal 5:1-3

Sinkills:
Please there is nothing like predestination. The bible does not tell us that. It us people who do not understand the Scriptures or who want to twist the the word of God who teach so. What is predestination? That God has chosen some people for eternal life and others for hell fire! So even if those 'predestined' to hell fire repent, believe in Christ and do all they can to please God and live right, they will still end in hell fire!! On the other hand, no matter how vile, evil, wicked and rebellious those 'predestined' to life eternal are, they will still wangle their way to heaven by hook or by crook!!! What a fallacy! So the same God who commanded us not to be partial in secular matters will now be partial on eternal matters!! The truth is that God is omniscient. He knows the end from the beginning. He knows those who will be saved and those who will be damned eventually. But He is not responsible for deciding our eternal fate. We are free moral agents, not robots. So you can choose now to repent, trust Christ for your salvation, join a Bible-believing church where the emphasis is on how to please God in holiness and righteousness, be prayerful, live right by the grace of God and let me see how you will not make it to heaven. You and I will make it in Jesus' name, Amen. There is nothing like predestination. Thank you.

You are hard-hearted and ignorantly resisting the holyspirit.

If only you know God's ways are not our ways. And His thoughts far above ours, you will ask God for His wisdom.

Dont be like the jews who read the scriptures in the synagogue every sabbath day but were blind still.

How can you deny a doctrine so clearly thought in scriptures?


Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.”

Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will…In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.”

How clearer can this be!

Predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his son! Open your bible and read it again

You are not alone though. Think about it everyone is naturally hostile to this doctrine. Some acknowledge it but despise God the more for it. Others like you, deny it completely.

[b] THE SCRIPTURES HAVE EXPRESSLY STATED THAT GOD CHOSE SOME MEN TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON. BE CALLED, JUSTIFIED AND GLORIFIED IN HIM.

Romans 9:11
11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls

Romans 11:5,6
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

1 Thessalonians 1:4
For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you,

2 Timothy 2:10
10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. [/color][/b] ETC

I know you think its unfair that God will choose some and not others. But what's fair? If God should allow men choose Him no man will be saved
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12

All men deserve to perish in the lake of fire. No one is better than the other. But God in His infinite mercy chose to pardon some. Its not God's fault that the rest perish..for they were already perishing.

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

You may want to ask "how about those men who seek God and are rejected because of predestination?"

About that also, the bible is very clear. WHICH IS, THAT GOD DOES NOT REJECT ANYONE WHO SEEKS OR BELIEVES ON CHRIST JESUS.

[b]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life John3:16

because, ]if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. Rom 10:9,10

But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul. Deutronomy 4:29

In the mystery of God, predestination, being drawn by God and believing unto salvation all work hand-in-hand. THOSE WHO TRULY SEEK WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN DRAWN BY THE FATHER AND WERE PREDESTINED UNTO SALVATION COS THE NATURAL MAN DOES NOT SEEK GOD

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

No wonder Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”

Cc Goodmuyis fabre4

ichuka:
You are on track

Ranchhoddas:
I know the answer to that. Do you teach predestination?

If its in the bible, why not

Ranchhoddas:
Is the process of believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth not your effort? Or do you teach predestination?

You should have asked if salvation was my effort

Sinkills:
If you really want to know the truth, Paul the Apostle was in the context of Romans 7:14-25 refering to the general state of an unregerate sinner who knows what is right and wrong and desires to live right but has no power of his own to stop sinning.

The last thing on the unregenerate sinner's mind is to live right. Have you forgotten " But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned 1corinthians 2:14

No man delights in or desires what he considers foolish.

Paul was referring to the regenerated sinners who have been given new hearts and a new spirit and hence new desires [b] A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Ezeikel 36:26

Only the reborn can discern spiritual things. The Law is spiritual too! If not, Paul would have been blameless.
…Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Philipians 3:6
The natural man hates God and cannot keep the law
And this is the condemnation: that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John3:19

I have already given you quotations bothering on the falsehood of eternal security

No. You have only misunderstood the scriptures

Let me ask you this: If it is only Christ alone that helps us and we have no responsibility at all on our own stop sinning, why will Christ command people he had earlier forgiven "sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you" and "go and sin no more" (John 5:14; 8:11)?

Have you forgotten that the just shall live by faith. Rom 1:17

Behold the proud, his soul is not upright in him; but the just shall live by his faith Habakkuk 2:4

You so much underrate the power of sin over you that you sadly believe you can put it behind you.

But if you discerned Romans7 as you ought to you will realise you are Sin yourself Paul realised he was his greatest enemy. A natural man cannot understand this

Your power over sin is in Christ. Through faith in Him you overcome your flesh

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:14,15

Just as those who looked in faith to the serpent in the wilderness were healed, so those who look in faith to the lifted up Son of Man will have eternal life .

Let me equally ask you this: Were there people in the bible days who started well with God ie were born again but still fell from grace and went to hell fire or whose eternal destiny is not clear? Of course many. Have you read of Saul, the first king of Israel? What of Solomon, Noah, Gideon, Samson, Judas Iscariot, Ananias and Saphira, Demas etc.

Are you saying that it was God's fault they fell? By the way, for your information, I did not get born again in Deeper Life and I have listened a lot of ministers of the gospel outside Deeper Life who affirm that the doctrine of eternal security is a damnable false doctrine. You cannot hide under Christ to keep sinning. If sin kills unbelievers outside, it kills hypocrites inside the church much more. So it is not about Deeper Life. It is about the truth, about the need to avoid making eternal mistakes, about the eternal destiny of multitudes. Thank you.

Why do you underrate the power of God so much that you think it needs to be helped!

You are like Uzzah who was struck dead for trying to save the arch 2samuel6:7.

God forbid that i am preaching licentiousness!

I would have delighted in sin and swam freely in the oceans of darkness with reckless abandon because i have the full potential to sin but the love of God constrains me! 2cor 5:14

Ranchhoddas:
How can your efforts not be involved? Just say you want to sin freely and still make Heaven.

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Putting the cart before the horse. You read your fears into scriptures and they take your joy away

You have stubornly refused to admit the shepherd cannot bear to lose a single sheep no matter how far it strays!

A self righteous person will attribute the prodigal's son's return to his will, but a Christian would not because behind every act of our will lies a power greater than us, causing us to do those things we ought to do as sons. [Philipians2:13]

If we are brought to this knowledge we will understand why the Father would say this to a son
"For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found" (Luke 15:24)


Once a son always a son. Once a Christian always a Christian cos the power that restores us from rebellion is not in us but in the father who dwells in us through Christ.

Of ourselves, we can do absolutely nothing!

Sinkills:
Christ died to save us FROM our sins, not to save us IN our sins. And after we are saved by grace, we are careful not to return to our vomit by His grace.

Ok

Although aChristian can sin mistakingly or inadvertently, we do not make a practice of sinning. Those who make a practice of sinning are either not saved yet or are backslidden already. A Christian is not a sinner and a sinner is not yet a Christian. Thank you.

It is true that Christians do not make a practice of sinning or abide in sin but the question is who keeps the christian from sinning?

Christ and your carefulness? or only Christ?

As for Paul, he had to cry over his impossibility to defeat sin even after being saved. And if you think your carefulness will keep you from sinning, think again

[Paul addressed himself as unspiritual and a slave to sin. A deeper lifer would prefer he used "i was" instead of "i am"]
[b]
Romans 7:14-25

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me[color]. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.[/b]

Sinkills have you ever been brought to this point in your walk? That you despaired over yourself ! Paul said he was wretched!

Have you ever looked at yourself and said: "Sin is stronger than me. I cannot overcome it!" Inspite of how much you tried!

You confessed like Paul, you are a sinner and in you no good dwells. That all the good are in Christ who is your saviour!?

Have you ever been brought to this table? Where
you cry thus," Who will rescue me from this body of death."?

If the only table you have been brought to is to partly rely on your moral strenght and "craftly" calling it the grace of God. Then i am afraid!!!!

Sinkills. Its true that sin kills but it does not kill those in Christ
"But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness." (Rom 8:10)

Paul sinned many times but he was still alive for Righteousness sake, for Christ sake! and not his sake! Thats why i asked what you understand by the finished work of Christ

And yes a Christian is still a sinner. We are sinners because we still have our bodies of death.


"For this is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief 1Tim 1:15.

ichuka:
No

ichuka:
You are on track

Sinkills:
The efficacy of the finished work of Christ at Calvary for our redemption which the truly redeemed believer has benefited from can only cease when he or she stops abiding in Christ, stops believing and goes back into the old life of sin. There is no unconditional eternal security according to the Holy Scriptures (Exodus 32:33; Ezekiel 3:20,21; John 15:4-6; Hebrews 6:4-8; 1st Corinthians 9:27; 10:12; 2nd Peter 2:20-22.

What exactly do you benefit from the finished work in this new covenant? that those of the old couldnt?

Did Christ die for all sins or for our past sins only?

Lets reason as people with a new mind, the mind of Christ

Sinkills:
Of course, my redemption from sin is as a result of the finished work if Christ on Calvary. Salvation from sin and its consequences is by grace. No one is saved by good works, piety, religious accomplishments or moral standing. I was a worker in many other churches and people saw me as a gentle and good person before I encountered the saving grace of Christ. Pastor Kumiyi has emphasised the fact that there is no redemption or salvation outside the redemptive work of God over and over again. Pick one of his messages on this or go to the internet. You will hear for yourself. 2016 December Retreat is at the corner between 23rd and 26th at Deeper Life Conference Centre, Km 42 Lagos/Ibadan Expressway and other centres in the states and regions within and outside Nigeria. You will certainly hear the message of Redemption Through the Finished Work of Christ emphasized if you attend. God bless you.

Good Good!

So you believe Christ secured your salvation on the cross and you are now one with Him. In His sufferings, death and resurrection? And you are seated with him in heavenly places?

To be clear, pls answer this. At which point in your christian life will the atonement for your sins cease?

In other words, when does the efficacy of the finished work stop? And what stops it?

Sinkills:
Yes, it is. I and tens of millions of other Christian faithfuls have learnt so much about our redemption in Christ from him and his lieutenants - there is no time to enumerate them. It is like you are a 'stranger in Jerusalem' for you not to know what pastor W F Kumuyi stands for and his teachings spanning over four decades. Even his sworn enemies know.You can get copies of some of his messages especially on Redemption through Christ from Christian bookshops or the internet. God bless you sir.

GoodMuyis:
YES to your question

Listen to the message your self and tell us what you heard, Here is the sermon page download anyone you like and listen. His favourite Bible passage is Hebrew 12:14

BIBLICAL DOCTRINE BEING THOUGHT
https://dclm.org/about/what-we-believe/

SERMON PAGE FOR LEADERS
https://dclm.org/sermons/leaders-meetings/2016-leaders-meeting/

Goodmuyis let me ask you the question again And please sincerely answer this...

What do you understand by the finished work of Christ?

Is your relationship with God tied to mr kumuyi? If no, answer my question above

I'll check them out once you answer my question

GoodMuyis:
John1vs12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Do you even know W.F. Kumuyi, have you ever listen to him, if not why not download one of his message and listen

Sinkills:
Pastor Kumuyi has multitudes under his God-given ministry majority of whom are saved and on the way to heaven by the grace of God. If you then compare that to the population of sinners who are to find Christ in Nigeria, the continent of Africa and the rest of the world, then you will realise that comparatively, we are very few indeed. I pray that billions more will be won to Christ before they die. This is the will of God (1st Timothy 2:3,4). Thank you.

foladara777:
But u still haven't told us what's different about your life?? Like what's better about it... What do you have that can't be found in the lives of unbelievers

I told you already

You see but you cant percieve!

What you ought to ask is, "Are you contented?" For that, all men seek.

And if i have all, which is God, then i am satisfied

brodalikeme:
You're welcome for "pitying" me, I did rather stay stock to my "primitive and foolish" belief than embrace a mediocre and abating system

foladara777:
So educate us what is different or special about your new life

The Spirit of Christ. His suffering, death and resurrection are all being manifested in me.

O how blessed i am that God counted me worthy to partake in His Glory.

Its been 4yrs since God found me and He has not departed!

ichuka:
Hmmmm
Won't say yes.the Spirit interprets.

ichuka:
How long will you go limping between two different opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him; but if Baal, then follow him. (1 Kings 18:21 ESV)

That word was never addressed to the unsaved. It was never intended for them. It is only rarely that the unsaved are in the position of two opinions. More often than not they are of no opinion. This is what the prophet really said to the people: "How long limp ye from one side to another?" He viewed them as lame, and lamed by uncertainty, lamed by indecision, paralyzed by an unsettled issue. Oh, how an unsettled issue does paralyze the life. Have a controversy with the Lord, an unsettled issue with the Lord, and your whole life is lamed, is paralyzed; you are limping first one way and then the other; there is no sense of stability about your way.

So the prophet called for the issue to be settled. How long limp ye from one side to the other? Settle this issue one way or the other. If Jehovah be God, let Him have His place, His full rights; settle it once and for all. If Baal is god, well then let us be settled. But until that is done you are crippled, you are paralyzed, and the whole secret of your being in that weak, indefinite, unstable, uncertain place is that God is not having His full rights; there is a dividedness in your life, a dividedness in your own soul, because other interests and considerations are in view. The dividedness may be in your home life, where you have power, authority and influence, and you are not standing one hundred percent for the Lord’s interests there. It may be working in other directions, but wherever it is present the result is that deep down in your being you are not satisfied, you are not at rest. You may be busy, you may be occupied, you may be rushing hither and thither in the Lord’s name, but you know that deep down there is a lack, an uncertainty, an unsettled state; your spiritual life is limited and paralyzed. It will always be so until the issue is settled and God has His place in fullness in every part and relationship of your life. It is a question of zeal for the Lord, jealousy for the Lord.

ichuka:
1.its shows you have respect/good home training in respect to the first touch.
2.second touch shows that through your home training you can defend yourself in whatsoever situation you finder yourself.
3.loneliness,it's a gift.great men/women are always lonely in spirit even when surrounded with people.
If you are still a virgin keep it

nnamdiokere45:
i dnt even bother doing d test anymore,I jst know its typhoid.I jst tank God it doesn't weight me down.am seriously looking for herbal remedies

Mzgracie:
Since June.. started talking it few weeks ago..

Mum prepared it for me.. my Lil bro use to have for so many years until he started taking d herbal mixture.